Hello Listers, I am transcribing a will of James Caseberde who died in my village of Kingston Bagpuize in 1604. I have a 3 generation family tree for them now. I have tried discovering where the surname appears in Berkshire and Oxfordshire. It is not shown in the Surnames of Oxfordshire book and I don't believe that there is a book of Berkshire surnames. There are though some appearing in the 1841 and 1851 census for Berkshire, at Shillingford and area. The name or variant of this, as Casbeard, also appears on the Oxfordshire OXSIL surname list though and I have sent a message to the researcher. I searched for both Cakebread [which I think Caseberd could be a variant of] and Caseberd on ancestry.co.uk today and then decided to use the facility to 'Search All Records' and found there a James Caseberd died 1604 which is one I am interested in, within Probate/Glamorgan Wills, but he isn't shown on the National Library of Wales Wills Index that I could see. I don't wish to add to my subscription plan at present, but wondered if anyone had come across this surname in Glamorgan, Oxfordshire, Berkshire, or come to that anywhere, please? The adjoining parish of Longworth is the oldest place in the UK for Anabaptists, who seemed to have come from Glamorgan, so the tale goes, and a Cakebread researcher I have spoken to tells me that his family seemed to be Nonconformists. Best wishes, Jill http://longworth-district-history-society.org.uk

Soldiers of Oxfordshire Trust, SOFO, www.sofo.org.uk, at Woodstock, is having a Children and War Exhibition Open Day on Sunday, 10 July. This is for anyone who might have material, photographs or memories that can illustrate a child's view of conflict related to Oxfordshire. More details at http://www.sofo.org.uk/the-museum/current-exhibitions/latest Wendy

re: Subject: [OXF] Marriage of MALTBY and GREY ( 1888 ) posted by Michael COOMBER Looking at your MALTBY/GREY marriage...I have not seen MALTBY on this list before, although I have just rejoined after an absence. My ancestor came over 100 years before Michael's, but could be from the same family, as there was also a James MALTBY.. I have a William MALTBY of St. Mary's, Whitechapel married 18 August 1770 to Sarah REASON b abt. 1747 at Waltham Abbey, Essex. Two of their 8 children were: James MALTBY, b. 14 June 1789, and his sister, my gggggrandmother, Mary Ann MALTBY, (b. 4 Feb. 1775-21 Nov. 1857), who married John PUGH, b. Waltham Abbey, Essex, died Oxford St. Ebbe April 26 1821. Their daughter, was my ggg grandmother, Mary Ann PUGH, b. 25 October, 1799, baptised St. Peter Le Bailey, Oxford, England, died 12 March, 1870, New Westminster, B.C. Canada. She married cordwainer, William WOODMAN (1791-1868) in St. Michael at the Northgate Church, 31 October 1830. (They were pioneers of early British Columbia.) I was fortunate enough to be invited to re-take their vows in a ceremony on 3 July, 2004, 174 years later, at St. Michael at the Northgate, along with other couples renewing their vows. Any connections out there??? Thanks, Janet WHITE Burnaby, BC, Canada Quoting... > From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 17, 1888; Issue 7044. > MARRIAGE. > March 3, at Manchester, by licence, George Christopher, youngest > surviving > son of the late Mr. James MALTBY , of St. Thomas's, Oxford, to Florence > Isabel, only daughter of Mr. Wilfrid GREY , builder, Maidstone, Kent. > > _____________________________________________ > > Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your > names of interest? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Paul, Because of you and other members of the list I have learned a lot regarding Elizabeth Wickson and her family. However to find out more about Sophia Wickson (nee Stone) as you pointed out Paul, I need to purchase a C/D.As an aged pensioner I cannot afford to do this at present. Nevertheless I will continue to carry on using the facilities that are available to me and my finances. I do thank everyone for all their help and guidence, especially you Paul Kind Regards Graham >> Further to my posting (please see below} I'm still trying to figure >> out for certain the parents of Elizabeth Wickson ... > > The answers to your earlier query have, in my opinion, answered this > question with as much certainty as reasonably possible: Elizabeth > Wickson was the daughter of Jospeh and Sophia Wickson. That fact is > about as "certain" as anything in family history will be. > >> The I G I Records show that she was christened on the 30th of >> September 1832, at the Lower Meeting House Abingdon Berkshire I >> believe this is a Baptist (Non Conformist Record Father Joseph >> Wickson and mother Elizabeth. > > Yes, the Lower Meeting House at Abingdon was a Baptist Church (so your > description of this as a "christening" is likely to be inaccurate - > Baptists do not do christenings.) > > But more to the point, you need to bear in mind that what you have here > is an index entry, not a record of an event. And, moreover, one can see > an obvious error in the indexing, because in the IGI the _father's_ name > is given as Elizabeth, and the _mother's_ as Joseph. > > Now, on the real evidence you have before you, there is no substantial > conflict. If you were to check the original record for this index entry > (http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/ is a PPV site that would allow you to do > this), and the real register entry conflicted with the other evidence, > then you would have something that needs some explanation. Or perhaps it > would show that there is another consistent record of Elizabeth's > parentage. > >> and the ancestry of Sopia Billing (nee Wickson nee Stone) > > I don't think you asked about Sophia's ancestry before. But if you > wanted to look into this yourself, you could do worse than buy the > Oxfordshire FHS transcript on CD called "WIT03" - see > http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html#prs > > This CD contains not only a transcript of the Standlake registers, > covering Sophia's birthplace, but also Stanton Harcourt, where Joseph > Wickson was apparently baptised. > > Best wishes > > Paul >

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, April 27, 1844; Issue 4748. DIED. On Thursday se'nnight, in London, after a few hours' illness, aged 62 years, Mr. Richard TUBB , printer, late of this city. On Monday last, in Observatory-street, St. Giles's, aged 68 years, Mr. Roger TUNSTALL , pipe-burner. April 20, at Headington, aged 18 years, Mark, youngest son of Mr. William JEFFCOAT .

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, April 27, 1844; Issue 4748. SUDDEN DEATH. - On the morning of the 17th, Mr. W. COOPER , farmer, Lower Heyford, was found lying on his bed dead. He had been out to a dinner the previous day, went home at night, and threw himself on the bed without undressing himself. He was a very corpulent man. He has left a widow and 7 children. His wife was confined with her seventh child the day previous.

Hello Folks, Further to my posting (please see below} I'm still trying to figure out for certain the parents of Elizabeth Wickson and the ancestry of Sopia Billing (nee Wickson nee Stone) and to answer all your kind E-mail queries and suggestions Marriages, Great Haseley 1840 Mar 2 By licence Gabriel BILLING full age bach otp, mechanic, son John, publican Sophia WICKSON full age, wid otp, do Thomas Stone, tailor. Witnesses: Henry LEE, Ann ROSSER The 1851 census states that Elizabeth Wickson was born in Abingdon Berkshire The I G I Records show that she was christened on the 30th of September 1832, at the Lower Meeting House Abingdon Berkshire I believe this is a Baptist (Non Conformist Record Father Joseph Wickson and mother Elizabeth. 1856 Aug 25, by banns William SMITH 23 bach otp carpenter son John, Lab Elizabeth WICKSON 24 spin otp d Joseph, cabinet maker (his trade is queried in the register) Wits: Mary Bracey, Abel Smith I still need help to sort out Sopia Billing (nee Wickson nee Stone) and further details of Joseph and Elizabeth Wickson's family. Thanking you All in Anticipation Graham. Hello Folks, I hope some kind person can help me with my Brick Wall! Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). She married William SMITH 25th August 1856.in Haseley Oxford On the 1841C she was residing with Gabriel and Sophia BILLING in the civil parish of Great Haseley Oxfordshire. On the 1851C she was still living with the above and this time she was described as Daughter in Law. She was not a Daughter in Law in the modern sense! so therefore does this mean that she was adopted? because I could not find any records of her parents. Kind Regards Graham

Dear Graham, > Further to my posting (please see below} I'm still trying to figure > out for certain the parents of Elizabeth Wickson ... The answers to your earlier query have, in my opinion, answered this question with as much certainty as reasonably possible: Elizabeth Wickson was the daughter of Jospeh and Sophia Wickson. That fact is about as "certain" as anything in family history will be. > The I G I Records show that she was christened on the 30th of > September 1832, at the Lower Meeting House Abingdon Berkshire I > believe this is a Baptist (Non Conformist Record Father Joseph > Wickson and mother Elizabeth. Yes, the Lower Meeting House at Abingdon was a Baptist Church (so your description of this as a "christening" is likely to be inaccurate - Baptists do not do christenings.) But more to the point, you need to bear in mind that what you have here is an index entry, not a record of an event. And, moreover, one can see an obvious error in the indexing, because in the IGI the _father's_ name is given as Elizabeth, and the _mother's_ as Joseph. Now, on the real evidence you have before you, there is no substantial conflict. If you were to check the original record for this index entry (http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/ is a PPV site that would allow you to do this), and the real register entry conflicted with the other evidence, then you would have something that needs some explanation. Or perhaps it would show that there is another consistent record of Elizabeth's parentage. > and the ancestry of Sopia Billing (nee Wickson nee Stone) I don't think you asked about Sophia's ancestry before. But if you wanted to look into this yourself, you could do worse than buy the Oxfordshire FHS transcript on CD called "WIT03" - see http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html#prs This CD contains not only a transcript of the Standlake registers, covering Sophia's birthplace, but also Stanton Harcourt, where Joseph Wickson was apparently baptised. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com

In a message dated 21/06/2011 10:01:15 GMT Daylight Time, mjflists@yahoo.co.uk writes: And there is no chance of me getting to ORO in foreseeable future ,drat!!! Mike At least ORO - as a constituent part of the Oxfordshire History Centre - has now re-opened for business. When you wrote that on 21 June, there was no chance of anyone getting to ORO ! Incidentally, the easiest way to find the newly-updated webpages for the Oxfordshire History Centre is to go to our OFHS hompage and follow the link ! Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk)

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal ( Oxford, England ), Saturday, October 16, 1802; Issue 2581. Last Wednesday evening died, much regretted, at his house at Shennington, Surrey, J. WALLIS, Esq., of his Majesty's Customs, and formerly a resident at Whitchurch, in this county.

A belated thanks to everyone who offered suggestions for the date of death discrepancy between gravestone, family records, probate and the death certificate. There were some good suggestions there, particularly relating to overnight deaths. Although I accept the definitive record should be the certificate (and I could record a note about the discrepancy along with that entry), I've chosen to stay with the gravestone, probate, newspapers and family material (and put a note in about the discrepancy the other way round). In the end, my reasoning was simple: the family at the time believed one date of the two, so I'll go with what they thought rather than overruling them nine decades later. I did find the many discussion points of value, so thanks again. Chris Howes

Dear Graham It looks as if your Joseph WICKSON could be the one born  at Sutton, Oxon, on 3 August 1809, and baptized at Stanton Harcourt, Oxon., on 6 August 1809, son of Thomas Wickson (a farmer, born Eynsham) and Elizabeth DAWSON ( born Stanton Harcourt). Kind regards Keith --- On Thu, 30/6/11, graham rolls <grahamnr@tadaust.org.au> wrote: From: graham rolls <grahamnr@tadaust.org.au> Subject: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 30 June, 2011, 9:45 Hello Folks, I would just like to thank everyone who replied to my request  to break down my brick wall regarding the BILLING/WICKSON  familles. I do appreciat your advise and will let you know how I get on as soon as I have researched a little further. Regards Graham _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

News from Carl Boardman, Oxfordshire's History Services Manager: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The new Oxfordshire History Centre opens its doors at 9.00am on Friday 1 July at St Luke's Church, Temple Road, Cowley. It comprises Oxfordshire Record Office and Oxfordshire Studies, together with Oxfordshire Health Archives, brought together for the first time, with all the resources on one site. The new Centre will have longer opening hours than its predecessors: Tuesdays 10.00 to 5.00, and Wednesdays to Saturdays 9.00 to 5.00 - but it won't have as many seats as the individual services so booking is advised on 01865 398200 or oxhist@oxfordshire.gov.uk. Staff from each service are having a crash course in the collections of the other, and will be assisted by an OFHS helpdesk for family historians on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays. For more information, go online at www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/oxfordshirehistory. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy

Hello Folks, I would just like to thank everyone who replied to my request to break down my brick wall regarding the BILLING/WICKSON familles. I do appreciat your advise and will let you know how I get on as soon as I have researched a little further. Regards Graham

thanks  for  replying  Pete...Heather --- On Wed, 29/6/11, PETER WELLS <pete4jaz@btinternet.com> wrote: From: PETER WELLS <pete4jaz@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: "oxfordshire@rootsweb.com" <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 29, June, 2011, 11:34 PM Hi Heather,   on my maddox family tree the family search wenty back to 1681 in birmingham wh4en I came to prove it with the staffordshire archives I found that this was done around the 1900 period without the use of parish records that I  think may not have been available at that time I had found also that moses maddox was on the gro index as moses maddonin the year 1841 he married  harriet smith that tied in with the birth certificates of the children born before 1851 when moses maddox married again for the second time in OXFORDSHIRE  thanks to the help of WENDY  I have now managed to prove this line back to ISHMAEL MADDOX who can only be found using a fonetic search on ancestry he lived in warwickshire while his son moses maddox born in 1790 in staffordshire had a son of the same name born in staffordshire in 1821 who moved into oxfordshire I recently got his death certificate in 1868 in headington all this family are down as non conformists that is probably true going by there names in the period 1881 most all of them moved to camberwell then on into marylebone and later still hommerton hackneygeorge maddox was my bgrandfather he died in the period 1964 and is buried in walebone lane cematery thats close to dagenham .   many thanks pete                          From: Heather Grimwood <heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz> To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011, 10:55 Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON For  years,   I thought  my  grgrgreatgrandfather  to have  reared  his second  wife's  two  daughters  with  his  own  and  their  later  family,  as  he  called  them stepchildren in  census.  It  was  not  till  I found  the  marriage  of  one  that  I  realised  the  girls  had  been  her  STEPDAUGHTERS...i.e.  had  belonged to  her  late husband  and  a  former  and  late  wife.  Don't  know  if  this  is  any  help  as  haven't  been  following  it closely...best  wishes......Heather --- On Wed, 29/6/11, Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> wrote: From: Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 29, June, 2011, 8:54 AM Dear Graham, > On the 1851C she was still living with the above and this time she > was described as Daughter in Law. She was not a Daughter in Law in > the modern sense! so therefore does this mean that she was adopted? > because I could not find any records of her parents. Many people have explained that "daughter in law" here means "step daughter"; that is, Elizabeth is Sophia's daughter. Someone asked what birthplace is given in the 1851 census - it is Abingdon. The marriage of Gabriel to Sophia Wickson has also been found by a number of people. > Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents > Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). This statement seems problematic - we have good reason to suppose that Elizabeth's actual mother was called Sophia. And what do you mean by "Non Conformist records"? There were 2 distinct, long-standing, non-conformist churches in Abingdon - one Baptist and one Independent. Do you know from which one you found this apparent record of Elizabeth's birth? Now Sophia WICKSON/BILLING, according to the 1851 census, was born in Standlake, Oxfordshire. And it so happens that there is a baptism in Standlake which is relevant: 5 March 1834 Elizabeth daughter of Joseph (a labourer) and Sophia. This can be found in the Oxfordshire FHS parish register transcript on CD. And, interestingly, this couple have another child baptised in Standlake: On 22 March 1835, Sophia daughter of Joseph (a cabinet maker) and Sophia, of Abingdon. This latter entry seems to matches the father's name and occupation from Elizabeth's marriage(as found by Paul Irving), and the birthplace from the 1851 census. Sophia, infant daughter of Joseph and Sophia Wickson of Abingdon was buried on 14 November 1835 at Standlake, by the way. And it looks as if this is her father's burial, also at Standlake: 27 January 1835, Joseph, age 25, of Abingdon. So now we have a plausible baptism for Elizabeth, the burial of her father, the remarriage of her mother, her subsequently living with her mother and stepfather in Great Haseley in 1841 and 1851, and her marriage, with the right father's name and occupation. Everything fits together, except your information from "Non Conformist records". You need to check that. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For  years,   I thought  my  grgrgreatgrandfather  to have  reared  his second  wife's  two  daughters  with  his  own  and  their  later  family,  as  he  called  them stepchildren in  census.  It  was  not  till  I found  the  marriage  of  one  that  I  realised  the  girls  had  been  her  STEPDAUGHTERS...i.e.  had  belonged to  her  late husband  and  a  former  and  late  wife.  Don't  know  if  this  is  any  help  as  haven't  been  following  it closely...best  wishes......Heather --- On Wed, 29/6/11, Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> wrote: From: Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 29, June, 2011, 8:54 AM Dear Graham, > On the 1851C she was still living with the above and this time she > was described as Daughter in Law. She was not a Daughter in Law in > the modern sense! so therefore does this mean that she was adopted? > because I could not find any records of her parents. Many people have explained that "daughter in law" here means "step daughter"; that is, Elizabeth is Sophia's daughter. Someone asked what birthplace is given in the 1851 census - it is Abingdon. The marriage of Gabriel to Sophia Wickson has also been found by a number of people. > Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents > Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). This statement seems problematic - we have good reason to suppose that Elizabeth's actual mother was called Sophia. And what do you mean by "Non Conformist records"? There were 2 distinct, long-standing, non-conformist churches in Abingdon - one Baptist and one Independent. Do you know from which one you found this apparent record of Elizabeth's birth? Now Sophia WICKSON/BILLING, according to the 1851 census, was born in Standlake, Oxfordshire. And it so happens that there is a baptism in Standlake which is relevant: 5 March 1834 Elizabeth daughter of Joseph (a labourer) and Sophia. This can be found in the Oxfordshire FHS parish register transcript on CD. And, interestingly, this couple have another child baptised in Standlake: On 22 March 1835, Sophia daughter of Joseph (a cabinet maker) and Sophia, of Abingdon. This latter entry seems to matches the father's name and occupation from Elizabeth's marriage(as found by Paul Irving), and the birthplace from the 1851 census. Sophia, infant daughter of Joseph and Sophia Wickson of Abingdon was buried on 14 November 1835 at Standlake, by the way. And it looks as if this is her father's burial, also at Standlake: 27 January 1835, Joseph, age 25, of Abingdon. So now we have a plausible baptism for Elizabeth, the burial of her father, the remarriage of her mother, her subsequently living with her mother and stepfather in Great Haseley in 1841 and 1851, and her marriage, with the right father's name and occupation. Everything fits together, except your information from "Non Conformist records". You need to check that. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Heather,   on my maddox family tree the family search wenty back to 1681 in birmingham wh4en I came to prove it with the staffordshire archives I found that this was done around the 1900 period without the use of parish records that I  think may not have been available at that time I had found also that moses maddox was on the gro index as moses maddonin the year 1841 he married  harriet smith that tied in with the birth certificates of the children born before 1851 when moses maddox married again for the second time in OXFORDSHIRE  thanks to the help of WENDY  I have now managed to prove this line back to ISHMAEL MADDOX who can only be found using a fonetic search on ancestry he lived in warwickshire while his son moses maddox born in 1790 in staffordshire had a son of the same name born in staffordshire in 1821 who moved into oxfordshire I recently got his death certificate in 1868 in headington all this family are down as non conformists that is probably true going by there names in the period 1881 most all of them moved to camberwell then on into marylebone and later still hommerton hackneygeorge maddox was my bgrandfather he died in the period 1964 and is buried in walebone lane cematery thats close to dagenham .   many thanks pete                          From: Heather Grimwood <heather.grimwood@xtra.co.nz> To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011, 10:55 Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON For  years,   I thought  my  grgrgreatgrandfather  to have  reared  his second  wife's  two  daughters  with  his  own  and  their  later  family,  as  he  called  them stepchildren in  census.  It  was  not  till  I found  the  marriage  of  one  that  I  realised  the  girls  had  been  her  STEPDAUGHTERS...i.e.  had  belonged to  her  late husband  and  a  former  and  late  wife.  Don't  know  if  this  is  any  help  as  haven't  been  following  it closely...best  wishes......Heather --- On Wed, 29/6/11, Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> wrote: From: Paul Betteridge <pbetteridge@pobox.com> Subject: Re: [OXF] Elizabeth WICKSON To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 29, June, 2011, 8:54 AM Dear Graham, > On the 1851C she was still living with the above and this time she > was described as Daughter in Law. She was not a Daughter in Law in > the modern sense! so therefore does this mean that she was adopted? > because I could not find any records of her parents. Many people have explained that "daughter in law" here means "step daughter"; that is, Elizabeth is Sophia's daughter. Someone asked what birthplace is given in the 1851 census - it is Abingdon. The marriage of Gabriel to Sophia Wickson has also been found by a number of people. > Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents > Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). This statement seems problematic - we have good reason to suppose that Elizabeth's actual mother was called Sophia. And what do you mean by "Non Conformist records"? There were 2 distinct, long-standing, non-conformist churches in Abingdon - one Baptist and one Independent. Do you know from which one you found this apparent record of Elizabeth's birth? Now Sophia WICKSON/BILLING, according to the 1851 census, was born in Standlake, Oxfordshire. And it so happens that there is a baptism in Standlake which is relevant: 5 March 1834 Elizabeth daughter of Joseph (a labourer) and Sophia. This can be found in the Oxfordshire FHS parish register transcript on CD. And, interestingly, this couple have another child baptised in Standlake: On 22 March 1835, Sophia daughter of Joseph (a cabinet maker) and Sophia, of Abingdon. This latter entry seems to matches the father's name and occupation from Elizabeth's marriage(as found by Paul Irving), and the birthplace from the 1851 census. Sophia, infant daughter of Joseph and Sophia Wickson of Abingdon was buried on 14 November 1835 at Standlake, by the way. And it looks as if this is her father's burial, also at Standlake: 27 January 1835, Joseph, age 25, of Abingdon. So now we have a plausible baptism for Elizabeth, the burial of her father, the remarriage of her mother, her subsequently living with her mother and stepfather in Great Haseley in 1841 and 1851, and her marriage, with the right father's name and occupation. Everything fits together, except your information from "Non Conformist records". You need to check that. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________ Oxfordshire Surname Interest list - www.oxsil.org.uk Have you entered your names of interest? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's a record on Familysearch, in "England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes". Elizabeth Wickson Birth Date 30 Aug 1832 Birthplace Abingdon, Berkshire Father's Name Elizabeth Wickson Mother's Name Joseph Wickson And yes, I have got the mother's & father's names the right way round. That's what Familysearch shows. That could be the same Elizabeth, but with the mother's name wrong. It's not unknown for a record to be carelessly copied, with one name carried over, & this one has clearly been copied carelessly at some point, as we can see from the parents names. A nonconformist birth record at Abingdon is not inconsistent with a CofE christening later at Standlake*, & the date of birth matches the 1841 census age. If she was my ancestor, I'd put that as her probable birth date in my records, with a caveat. *One of my ancestors was christened late, in a CofE church, with a note to say that she'd previously been recorded in a nonconformist congregation - & that was in roughly the same period, 20 years earlier. I think we've probably broken down Graham's brick wall. Now he cant get on with investigating the Wicksons & Stones in the PRs in & around Standlake..Can't do that online though - Standlake's not on the IGI. On 28/06/2011 21:54, Paul Betteridge wrote: > Dear Graham, > >> Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents >> Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). >> This statement seems problematic - we have good reason to suppose that >> Elizabeth's actual mother was called Sophia. And what do you mean by >> "Non Conformist records"? There were 2 distinct, long-standing, >> non-conformist churches in Abingdon - one Baptist and one Independent. >> Do you know from which one you found this apparent record of Elizabeth's >> birth? >> >> Now Sophia WICKSON/BILLING, according to the 1851 census, was born in >> Standlake, Oxfordshire. And it so happens that there is a baptism in >> Standlake which is relevant: 5 March 1834 Elizabeth daughter of Joseph >> (a labourer) and Sophia. This can be found in the Oxfordshire FHS parish >> register transcript on CD.... >> So now we have a plausible baptism for Elizabeth, the burial of her >> father, the remarriage of her mother, her subsequently living with her >> mother and stepfather in Great Haseley in 1841 and 1851, and her >> marriage, with the right father's name and occupation. >> >> Everything fits together, except your information from "Non Conformist >> records". You need to check that. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Paul >>

Dear Graham, > On the 1851C she was still living with the above and this time she > was described as Daughter in Law. She was not a Daughter in Law in > the modern sense! so therefore does this mean that she was adopted? > because I could not find any records of her parents. Many people have explained that "daughter in law" here means "step daughter"; that is, Elizabeth is Sophia's daughter. Someone asked what birthplace is given in the 1851 census - it is Abingdon. The marriage of Gabriel to Sophia Wickson has also been found by a number of people. > Elizabeth WICKSON b 30 August 1832 Abingdon Berkshire parents > Elizabeth and Joseph WICKSON.(Non Conformist records). This statement seems problematic - we have good reason to suppose that Elizabeth's actual mother was called Sophia. And what do you mean by "Non Conformist records"? There were 2 distinct, long-standing, non-conformist churches in Abingdon - one Baptist and one Independent. Do you know from which one you found this apparent record of Elizabeth's birth? Now Sophia WICKSON/BILLING, according to the 1851 census, was born in Standlake, Oxfordshire. And it so happens that there is a baptism in Standlake which is relevant: 5 March 1834 Elizabeth daughter of Joseph (a labourer) and Sophia. This can be found in the Oxfordshire FHS parish register transcript on CD. And, interestingly, this couple have another child baptised in Standlake: On 22 March 1835, Sophia daughter of Joseph (a cabinet maker) and Sophia, of Abingdon. This latter entry seems to matches the father's name and occupation from Elizabeth's marriage(as found by Paul Irving), and the birthplace from the 1851 census. Sophia, infant daughter of Joseph and Sophia Wickson of Abingdon was buried on 14 November 1835 at Standlake, by the way. And it looks as if this is her father's burial, also at Standlake: 27 January 1835, Joseph, age 25, of Abingdon. So now we have a plausible baptism for Elizabeth, the burial of her father, the remarriage of her mother, her subsequently living with her mother and stepfather in Great Haseley in 1841 and 1851, and her marriage, with the right father's name and occupation. Everything fits together, except your information from "Non Conformist records". You need to check that. Best wishes Paul -- Paul Betteridge, Leafield, Oxfordshire pbetteridge@pobox.com

Hello Jeune - > We have friends coming to visit, owing to the fact they have mentioned a > wish to visit HolyTrinity . > (For different reasons .) More so since learning about the Narnia window. > To visit should be easy, except, will the church be open all day . I can > find when there will be a service . I really need to know times open and > no service Contact details for the Parish Administrator, both phone & email, are at http://www.achurchnearyou.com/headington-quarry-holy-trinity/ Wendy