Lynne Another thought - you assume that his parent is one of Joseph and Hannah's daughters. Whilst statistically this is likely to be the case I have 8 cases on the Oxfordshire part of the tree where one of the son's sons - born after marriage and recorded in the PRS with details of father and mother is with his grandparents on the 2 or 3 censuses after his birth never with his parents. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: lynne scaife Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:05 PM To: oxfordshire list Subject: Re: [OXF] George Francis DUNKIN Dear Wendy I've just had a little look at this for you, my sympathies, there doesn't seem to be any IGI coverage for Lewknor at all. If you have the CD for baptisms, have you tried looking for the grand parents, Joseph and Ann or Hannah, and then subsequent children? If George Francis was born in 1863, the mother I would think would be at least 20 years old, so I would look from 1843 backwards, which is within the range of your CD. Hope this helps a little. Regards Lynne ---------------------------------------- > From: wendyking37@hotmail.com > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:35:28 +0100 > Subject: [OXF] George Francis DUNKIN > > > Hi > > does anyone connect to George Francis DUNKIN born 1863 Lewknor and if so > are > you able to who his parents are please? I have the OFHS CD with Lewknor > bmd > but the baptisms finish at 1856. He is on the 1871 census with his > grandparents Joseph DUNKIN and Ann or Hannah nee KING. I know that the > other > grandchild on the census is son of their daughter Jane as he is on a later > census with her, but George is on his own by 1881 and not with parents at > any stage. > > Wendy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS "Wills Library" : Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue, Holy Trinity had a section of the Oxford, Osney Cemetery. Many of the monuments have been recorded for Oxfordshire Family History Society and are published on CD. Names are also available on the Oxfordshire Family History Society Search Services. See: _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk) and Google Osney Cemetery Hugh.

Hi Joe Yes I have that down as an unlinked individual in my database. There is no death in the BMD's Another unlinked individual is Frederick Taplin buried 20 Dec 1867 in Enstone age 7 months I have all the CN cds. Mike in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com Joe Emery wrote: > Hello Mike. > There is no Charlotte Ann Taplin at all in the Enstone PRs. However, on > 24th June 1867 a Sarah Ann Taplin aged 12 weeks, of Neat Enstone (on the > edge of Enstone proper) was buried at Little Tew. There is no indication > of her parentage. Regards, Joe

Hi List Holy Trinity church Blackfriars Lane St Ebbs Oxford was demolished in c1957. The last burial was c1951. My query is that from photos it does not look as if there was a burial ground there, if this was the case does anyone know where people would have been buried. Many thanks in advance for any help. Regards Sue Blackburn Teweksbury Gloucesteshire

Howard & Lynne Mary Ann KEDONAUGH intrigued by this name so put just the last name into family search and came up with NO hits and their phonetic suggestions were all Germanic or Scandinavian. Similar search on ancestry again no hits - it produced Keating variations and Keutenius (in London marriages) and the wonderfully named 'Money Kathnasses' (her husband was a German born violin maker). suspect the celebrant misheard or had his own phonetic spelling of some other name. Only possibility I can come up with is Kennedy Wendy -----Original Message----- From: Howard Fuller Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:21 AM To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [OXF] Reintroducing my interests mainly SKUCE AND GARDNER Hello Lynne, Others have offered help with SKUCE but this may help with GARD(I/E)NER. You say Mary Ann (surname unknown) was the mother of your g-grandmother. You want to know who Mary Ann's parents were. >From the 1841 Census you deduce that her (first) marriage was to Robert GARDNER in about 1825/26, but you can't find this marriage. When, as a widow, she married Thomas WILKINS in Deddington on 12 May 1865, the register says only that her father's name is William, that he is a cooper, but it gives no surname. According to her age in the 1851 and 1871 censuses, Mary Ann was born in about 1802-5 in Chipping Norton. Eight Mary Ann's were baptised at Chipping Norton in 1800 to 1807. Two of these had father = William: - 1801 Apr 26 - Mary Ann, dau. William & Mary KEDONAUGH - 1805 May 12 - Mary Ann, dau. William & Ann BUSSWELL Unfortunately, I can't find who Mary Ann KEDONAUGH married - if she did. But Mary Ann BUSSWELL married Samuel ENDALL at Chipping Norton on 18 Jul 1826. Pehaps Robert GARDNER and his Mary Ann didn't actually get married? No real progress, I'm afraid! Howard On 10/08/2011 19:27, lynne scaife wrote: > > Dear List > > I have been absent from the list for a while, of late mainly due to PC > problems. But I'm back! > > I am researching mainly SKUCE in Deddington and Charlbury, but many other > names that married into the line. > > I have recently reserected a family skeleton - the curious case of Mary > Ann and Robert GARDNER. > Mary is the mother of my great grandmother Eliza SKUCE nee GARDNER. It's > now most certain that the man Mary Ann married is not the father of my > great grand mother, or any of the subsequent children, and that Robert, > was actually transported for goodness knows what! > > Mary Ann was born about 1805 in Chipping Norton according to 1841 and 1851 > and other census' of Deddington. > > She married 1. Robert GARDNER about 1825/26. I can not find this marriage > from the IGI, as there are no marriages coverage. > > I've found them on the 1841 which shows: > Chipping Norton, Churchill Road, H0107/879/3 > > Robert GARDNER, 45, Labourer, "Y" (in county) > Mary GARDNER, 35, Y > Ann GARDNER, 14, Y > Robert GARDNER, 12, Y > John GARDNER, 7, Y > Jane GARDNER, 5, Y > Thomas GARDNER, 3, Y > > And 1851 shows: > Deddington, Philcock Street > > Mary GARDNER, 45, 1806, House servant, Chipping Norton > Elizabeth GARDNER, 8, Deddington, (note this should be Eliza not > Elizabeth, my great grandmother) > George GARDNER, 6, Deddington > Emma GARDNER, 4, Deddington > Harriet GARDNER, 1, Deddington > All living in the household of Thomas Wilkins who she later married in > 1865! > >> From previous kind help, and copies of PRs and a couple of certificates, >> I know that Robert GARDNER was transported around about 1839-41, and on >> the PR for Eliza's birth, who was a twin with Eleanor, (Eleanor died 11 >> weeks later), bapt. 24 02 1843 in Deddington, it states that Robert is >> not the father of these children. It's more than likely that Thomas >> WILKINS is the father of Eleanor and Eliza, and several subsequent >> children all born before she married him in 1865. > > There are several discrepancies queries re. the above, but mainly: > > 1. The date of his transportation. Pam in NZ kindly helped back in 2005 > with information that Robert GARDNER, convict no. 28130 departed > Portsmouth 14 07 1841 (6 weeks after the 1841 census carried out on 16th > June 1841), on the Lord Goderich bound for Tasmania. The main problem > with this, is when Isabella GARDNER AKA Louisa was bapt. 12 06 1853, Mary > Ann states on the registration that father was transported 1839. That's a > 2 year discrepancy. > > I am in contact now with the Archives Office of Tasmania to see if I can > get any further with his transportation. > > 2. I am desperate to know who Mary Ann's parents were. When she married > Thomas WILKINS in 1865, register says her father's name is William, but > infuriatingly, she does not give a surname, only that he is a "cooper" > (prof.) > > If any one can offer me any advice, I'll gladly take it and be eternally > grateful. > > Kindest regards > Lynne Scaife > Tenerife > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS "Wills Library" : Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynne thank you for the suggestion but as I have been doing this for some years now I have the CDs and I have all the grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins on both sides. In the case of Hannah and Joseph back into the 18th century (with good sound researched material) There is little or no Oxfordshire stuff on the IGI. He gives Tetsworth as his birthplace - again the CD stops before his birth date. He is a minor, but irritating sprig on the tree and if no one connects then I will with him what I do with all such sprigs once I have explored all the avenues = ignore 'em Wendy -----Original Message----- From: lynne scaife Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 4:05 PM To: oxfordshire list Subject: Re: [OXF] George Francis DUNKIN Dear Wendy I've just had a little look at this for you, my sympathies, there doesn't seem to be any IGI coverage for Lewknor at all. If you have the CD for baptisms, have you tried looking for the grand parents, Joseph and Ann or Hannah, and then subsequent children? If George Francis was born in 1863, the mother I would think would be at least 20 years old, so I would look from 1843 backwards, which is within the range of your CD. Hope this helps a little. Regards Lynne ---------------------------------------- > From: wendyking37@hotmail.com > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:35:28 +0100 > Subject: [OXF] George Francis DUNKIN > > > Hi > > does anyone connect to George Francis DUNKIN born 1863 Lewknor and if so > are > you able to who his parents are please? I have the OFHS CD with Lewknor > bmd > but the baptisms finish at 1856. He is on the 1871 census with his > grandparents Joseph DUNKIN and Ann or Hannah nee KING. I know that the > other > grandchild on the census is son of their daughter Jane as he is on a later > census with her, but George is on his own by 1881 and not with parents at > any stage. > > Wendy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OFHS "Wills Library" : Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mike. There is no Charlotte Ann Taplin at all in the Enstone PRs. However, on 24th June 1867 a Sarah Ann Taplin aged 12 weeks, of Neat Enstone (on the edge of Enstone proper) was buried at Little Tew. There is no indication of her parentage. Regards, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike in Droitwich" <mjflists@yahoo.co.uk> To: <oxfordshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:24 PM Subject: [OXF] Charlotte Ann TAPLIN > > Mike in Droitwich > my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.comHi All > > I have just come across the report of an inquest in JOJ 29 Jun 1867 held > in Enstone into the death of Charlotte Ann Taplin died 20 Jun 1867 age > three months daughter of William Taplin labourer. > > I have Taplin family from Enstone but can't fit this child into any > family with a William as a parent. > > There is a birth and death registered in Chipping Norton Q2 1867. > > Can any one sort it out for me ? > > Mike Fisher in Droitwich > my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Wendy I've just had a little look at this for you, my sympathies, there doesn't seem to be any IGI coverage for Lewknor at all. If you have the CD for baptisms, have you tried looking for the grand parents, Joseph and Ann or Hannah, and then subsequent children? If George Francis was born in 1863, the mother I would think would be at least 20 years old, so I would look from 1843 backwards, which is within the range of your CD. Hope this helps a little. Regards Lynne ---------------------------------------- > From: wendyking37@hotmail.com > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:35:28 +0100 > Subject: [OXF] George Francis DUNKIN > > > Hi > > does anyone connect to George Francis DUNKIN born 1863 Lewknor and if so are > you able to who his parents are please? I have the OFHS CD with Lewknor bmd > but the baptisms finish at 1856. He is on the 1871 census with his > grandparents Joseph DUNKIN and Ann or Hannah nee KING. I know that the other > grandchild on the census is son of their daughter Jane as he is on a later > census with her, but George is on his own by 1881 and not with parents at > any stage. > > Wendy > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Lynne, Others have offered help with SKUCE but this may help with GARD(I/E)NER. You say Mary Ann (surname unknown) was the mother of your g-grandmother. You want to know who Mary Ann's parents were. From the 1841 Census you deduce that her (first) marriage was to Robert GARDNER in about 1825/26, but you can't find this marriage. When, as a widow, she married Thomas WILKINS in Deddington on 12 May 1865, the register says only that her father's name is William, that he is a cooper, but it gives no surname. According to her age in the 1851 and 1871 censuses, Mary Ann was born in about 1802-5 in Chipping Norton. Eight Mary Ann's were baptised at Chipping Norton in 1800 to 1807. Two of these had father = William: - 1801 Apr 26 - Mary Ann, dau. William & Mary KEDONAUGH - 1805 May 12 - Mary Ann, dau. William & Ann BUSSWELL Unfortunately, I can't find who Mary Ann KEDONAUGH married - if she did. But Mary Ann BUSSWELL married Samuel ENDALL at Chipping Norton on 18 Jul 1826. Pehaps Robert GARDNER and his Mary Ann didn't actually get married? No real progress, I'm afraid! Howard On 10/08/2011 19:27, lynne scaife wrote: > > Dear List > > I have been absent from the list for a while, of late mainly due to PC problems. But I'm back! > > I am researching mainly SKUCE in Deddington and Charlbury, but many other names that married into the line. > > I have recently reserected a family skeleton - the curious case of Mary Ann and Robert GARDNER. > Mary is the mother of my great grandmother Eliza SKUCE nee GARDNER. It's now most certain that the man Mary Ann married is not the father of my great grand mother, or any of the subsequent children, and that Robert, was actually transported for goodness knows what! > > Mary Ann was born about 1805 in Chipping Norton according to 1841 and 1851 and other census' of Deddington. > > She married 1. Robert GARDNER about 1825/26. I can not find this marriage from the IGI, as there are no marriages coverage. > > I've found them on the 1841 which shows: > Chipping Norton, Churchill Road, H0107/879/3 > > Robert GARDNER, 45, Labourer, "Y" (in county) > Mary GARDNER, 35, Y > Ann GARDNER, 14, Y > Robert GARDNER, 12, Y > John GARDNER, 7, Y > Jane GARDNER, 5, Y > Thomas GARDNER, 3, Y > > And 1851 shows: > Deddington, Philcock Street > > Mary GARDNER, 45, 1806, House servant, Chipping Norton > Elizabeth GARDNER, 8, Deddington, (note this should be Eliza not Elizabeth, my great grandmother) > George GARDNER, 6, Deddington > Emma GARDNER, 4, Deddington > Harriet GARDNER, 1, Deddington > All living in the household of Thomas Wilkins who she later married in 1865! > >> From previous kind help, and copies of PRs and a couple of certificates, I know that Robert GARDNER was transported around about 1839-41, and on the PR for Eliza's birth, who was a twin with Eleanor, (Eleanor died 11 weeks later), bapt. 24 02 1843 in Deddington, it states that Robert is not the father of these children. It's more than likely that Thomas WILKINS is the father of Eleanor and Eliza, and several subsequent children all born before she married him in 1865. > > There are several discrepancies queries re. the above, but mainly: > > 1. The date of his transportation. Pam in NZ kindly helped back in 2005 with information that Robert GARDNER, convict no. 28130 departed Portsmouth 14 07 1841 (6 weeks after the 1841 census carried out on 16th June 1841), on the Lord Goderich bound for Tasmania. The main problem with this, is when Isabella GARDNER AKA Louisa was bapt. 12 06 1853, Mary Ann states on the registration that father was transported 1839. That's a 2 year discrepancy. > > I am in contact now with the Archives Office of Tasmania to see if I can get any further with his transportation. > > 2. I am desperate to know who Mary Ann's parents were. When she married Thomas WILKINS in 1865, register says her father's name is William, but infuriatingly, she does not give a surname, only that he is a "cooper" (prof.) > > If any one can offer me any advice, I'll gladly take it and be eternally grateful. > > Kindest regards > Lynne Scaife > Tenerife > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mike in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.comHi All I have just come across the report of an inquest in JOJ 29 Jun 1867 held in Enstone into the death of Charlotte Ann Taplin died 20 Jun 1867 age three months daughter of William Taplin labourer. I have Taplin family from Enstone but can't fit this child into any family with a William as a parent. There is a birth and death registered in Chipping Norton Q2 1867. Can any one sort it out for me ? Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 7, 1863; Issue 5732. NISI PRIUS COURT - THURSDAY. ( Before Mr. Baron CHANNELL . ) His Lordship took his seat on the Bench at nine o'clock. ALLEGED UNLAWFUL WOUNDING AT WHEATLEY. Richard DOVER , 61, labourer, was charged with unlawfully wounding David QUARTERMAN , at Wheatley, on the 11th of September last. Mr. SAWYER appeared for the prosecution; the prisoner was undefended. On the night of the 11th of September, QUARTERMAN , one of the Oxfordshire police, stationed at Wheatley, was on the high road between Wheatley and Cuddesdon, when he saw the prisoner get over a wall into a field. The prisoner had a gun in his hand, and QUARTERMAN , suspecting he had been poaching, went up to him and told him he must give up the gun. The prisoner refused to give up the gun, and threatened to stab the policeman if he touched him. The policeman pulled out his staff to protect himself, and in holding up his hand to ward off the blow of the prisoner, he received a cut on his hand from the knife. The prisoner was taken into custody, and on being searched at the Wheatley Police Station by Police-constable LAWTON , a knife was found upon him. The Jury, after a short consultation, acquitted the prisoner. The business of the Assizes was brought to a conclusion shortly before three o'clock.

Hi does anyone connect to George Francis DUNKIN born 1863 Lewknor and if so are you able to who his parents are please? I have the OFHS CD with Lewknor bmd but the baptisms finish at 1856. He is on the 1871 census with his grandparents Joseph DUNKIN and Ann or Hannah nee KING. I know that the other grandchild on the census is son of their daughter Jane as he is on a later census with her, but George is on his own by 1881 and not with parents at any stage. Wendy

Lynne, I do wonder whether the Robert GARDNER transported to Tasmania on the Lord Goderich is your man. Both the convict transportation register (HO 11/12) and the Tasmanian Archives online index show only one Robert GARD*NER transported on the Lord Goderich at this period. (Ancestry have transcribed the name of the vessel wrongly -- as Garland Grove -- but the image of the register clearly shows it as the Lord Goderich.) This Robert GARDNER was convicted of larceny at Westminster quarter sessions on 10 Feb 1841 and sentenced to 7 years transportation. A cross-check with the criminal register for Middlesex (HO 26/47), and the register for the prison hulk Euryalus (HO 9/10), indicates that he was aged 16 at the time of conviction. Images of Tasmanian convict indents are online, so you can look at his record for yourself. http://tinyurl.com/3lyuglh (may be slow to load) This Robert GARDNER was born in Chelsea (Middlesex). No wife or children are mentioned (as they usually are in these documents), but that is not surprising given his age. I doubt if this is your man. That said, I can't find one convicted or transported in 1839 who would match with what you have. Perhaps Mary Ann's statement in 1853 was not quite correct? The other possibility is that Robert was tried and convicted under an alias. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lynne scaife There are several discrepancies queries re. the above, but mainly: 1. The date of his transportation. Pam in NZ kindly helped back in 2005 with information that Robert GARDNER, convict no. 28130 departed Portsmouth 14 07 1841 (6 weeks after the 1841 census carried out on 16th June 1841), on the Lord Goderich bound for Tasmania. The main problem with this, is when Isabella GARDNER AKA Louisa was bapt. 12 06 1853, Mary Ann states on the registration that father was transported 1839. That's a 2 year discrepancy. I am in contact now with the Archives Office of Tasmania to see if I can get any further with his transportation.

Hello Lynne and Maureen, Have you tried searching the Oxfordshire List Archives? There are 25 occurrences of SKUCE which may be of help. Also try FamilySearch.org. Kind Regards, Jill -----Original Message----- From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen J. Cook Sent: 12 August 2011 02:53 To: Oxfordshire Subject: [OXF] Skuce - Charlbury + Hi Lynne I have in my family Ann Gumm married to William Skuce in 1816 at Charlbury. Of the 6 children that I have:- John baptized 12 Jun 1818 at Charlbury. The others 5 children were born at Balscot according to the census:- Eli abt 1826 Mirian abt 1829 Levi abt abt 1831 Clara E. abt 1835 David abt 1842 Do not have the microfiche for Balscot, so I have not check this out. Maureen Cook Port Kennedy Western Australia

Hi Lynne I have in my family Ann Gumm married to William Skuce in 1816 at Charlbury. Of the 6 children that I have:- John baptized 12 Jun 1818 at Charlbury. The others 5 children were born at Balscot according to the census:- Eli abt 1826 Mirian abt 1829 Levi abt abt 1831 Clara E. abt 1835 David abt 1842 Do not have the microfiche for Balscot, so I have not check this out. Maureen Cook Port Kennedy Western Australia

Hello Hilary No, I haven't tried the directories - what a good idea! Many thanks! Regards Pam On 11/08/2011 14:32, HILARY BLANFORD wrote: > Pam > Have you tried looking in one of the directories, such as Kelly's or Pigot's, for that period? > HB > > --- On Thu, 11/8/11, Pam and Fred<pamandfred44@talktalk.net> wrote: > >> From: Pam and Fred<pamandfred44@talktalk.net> >> Subject: Re: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton >> To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, 11 August, 2011, 11:00 >> Hello again Jill >> >> I'm not sure if I answered >> this email or not, as I have >> quite a few, for which I thank >> you. There does seem to be >> some confusion regarding Weald >> Manor south west of the >> church, almost out of the >> village and the Manor House >> which is north west of the church. >> The Coxeter and Kirke mentions >> fit well with Weald Manor, but >> as for the 1841 census, this >> would be the Manor/Mansion >> House that became the school, >> so I am still none the wiser >> as to who was living at Weald >> Manor in 1841. >> Thanks for your time and >> attention and the info below >> at least gives us some info >> about the origins of Weald >> Manor and its land. >> Kind regards >> Pam >> >> On 10/08/2011 15:51, Jill Muir >> wrote: >>> Hello Pam, >>> I have looked for Kirke and Coxeter [ just in case] in >> Bampton and have not >>> found any. Have you looked at later census for this >> property? >>> >>> Weald Manor, (fn. 72) at the north end of Weald Lane, >> originated as the >>> farmhouse for 3 copyhold yardlands on Bampton Earls >> manor. (fn. 73) From the >>> late 16th century to the early 19th it was let to >> local gentry, including, >>> probably, members of the Snoddenham family from the >> 1560s, in 1609 >>> Bartholomew Peisley, (fn. 74) and from c. 1675 or >> earlier members of the >>> Coxeter family. (fn. 75) It was drastically remodelled >> allegedly in 1742, >>> when the lease was held by Thomas Coxeter (d. 1755) in >> trust for his mother, >>> with reversion to his wife Elizabeth; (fn. 76) she >> lived elsewhere by 1765, >>> (fn. 77) and in 1774 the lease passed apparently >> through marriage to Robert >>> Kirke (d. 1800) of Clements Inn. (fn. 78) The house, >> called a mansion house >>> in 1738 and the Manor House from the earlier 19th >> century when it housed a >>> private school, (fn. 79) was sold with manorial rights >> in 1870, perhaps >>> through a misconception resulting from the name. (fn. >> 80) >>> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15914&strquery=Kirke >>> >>> FamilySearch shows that a Harriet Coxeter was baptised >> 8th March 1767 the >>> child of >>> James and Mary at Bampton, Oxford, England >>> >>> And an Elizabeth Coxeter married 05 May 1628 -Bampton, >> Oxford, England >>> spouse: Robert Redburne >>> >>> If you look at the VCH [Victoria County History] the >> Manor House became a >>> School. I have sent you an image of the 1841 census >> for the place I believe >>> is the school, called Mansion House School. >> Clement's Inn mentioned in VCH >>> was apparently an Inn of Chancery before the reign of >> Edward IV. >>> >>> Read more: INNS OF COURT - Online Information article >> about INNS OF COURT >>> http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/I27_INV/INNS_OF_COURT.html#ixzz1UdbMLO00 >>> >>> >>> There is a Bampton- well several - websites one I >> cannot get to connect is >>> www.bamptonoxon.co.uk/ >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, Jill >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Pam and Fred >>> Sent: 09 August 2011 16:32 >>> To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton >>> >>> Hello All >>> >>> I wonder if anyone is able to >>> assist me in identifying Weald >>> Manor in Bampton on the census >>> please? Although my main >>> interest is in a family that >>> lived there before the 1841 >>> census, I would like to know >>> more about its inhabitants. My >>> husband's 4x great >>> grandparents, and >>> Harriet (nee COXETER) resided >>> there, Robert until his death >>> in 1800. Robert was at one >>> time, appointed Consul by King >>> George III to Algiers. Robert >>> and Harriet's son, William >>> Fetcham KIRKE also lived there >>> until his death in 1840 - my >>> husband descends from WFK's >>> line through his illegitimate >>> son who died in Reading >>> Workhouse! Robert's mother was >>> also a COXETER - Elizabeth, >>> but I have yet to be able to >>> connect Elizabeth to Harriet, >>> if indeed there is a >>> connection. Robert and >>> Elizabeth had other children, >>> but apart from the death of >>> one and the marriage of >>> another, I have been unable to >>> find any reference to either >>> George Robert KIRKE and Robert >>> KIRKE both born circa 1762 - >>> 1767, and possibly in Algiers. >>> Any help at all, on Weald >>> Manor, Bampton, the KIRKE or >>> the COXETER families, would be >>> most gratfully received. >>> Many thanks. >>> Pam Hodge from Kent >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> OFHS "Wills Library" : >>> Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> OFHS "Wills Library" : >> Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pam Have you tried looking in one of the directories, such as Kelly's or Pigot's, for that period? HB --- On Thu, 11/8/11, Pam and Fred <pamandfred44@talktalk.net> wrote: > From: Pam and Fred <pamandfred44@talktalk.net> > Subject: Re: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 11 August, 2011, 11:00 > Hello again Jill > > I'm not sure if I answered > this email or not, as I have > quite a few, for which I thank > you. There does seem to be > some confusion regarding Weald > Manor south west of the > church, almost out of the > village and the Manor House > which is north west of the church. > The Coxeter and Kirke mentions > fit well with Weald Manor, but > as for the 1841 census, this > would be the Manor/Mansion > House that became the school, > so I am still none the wiser > as to who was living at Weald > Manor in 1841. > Thanks for your time and > attention and the info below > at least gives us some info > about the origins of Weald > Manor and its land. > Kind regards > Pam > > On 10/08/2011 15:51, Jill Muir > wrote: > > Hello Pam, > > I have looked for Kirke and Coxeter [ just in case] in > Bampton and have not > > found any. Have you looked at later census for this > property? > > > > Weald Manor, (fn. 72) at the north end of Weald Lane, > originated as the > > farmhouse for 3 copyhold yardlands on Bampton Earls > manor. (fn. 73) From the > > late 16th century to the early 19th it was let to > local gentry, including, > > probably, members of the Snoddenham family from the > 1560s, in 1609 > > Bartholomew Peisley, (fn. 74) and from c. 1675 or > earlier members of the > > Coxeter family. (fn. 75) It was drastically remodelled > allegedly in 1742, > > when the lease was held by Thomas Coxeter (d. 1755) in > trust for his mother, > > with reversion to his wife Elizabeth; (fn. 76) she > lived elsewhere by 1765, > > (fn. 77) and in 1774 the lease passed apparently > through marriage to Robert > > Kirke (d. 1800) of Clements Inn. (fn. 78) The house, > called a mansion house > > in 1738 and the Manor House from the earlier 19th > century when it housed a > > private school, (fn. 79) was sold with manorial rights > in 1870, perhaps > > through a misconception resulting from the name. (fn. > 80) > > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15914&strquery=Kirke > > > > FamilySearch shows that a Harriet Coxeter was baptised > 8th March 1767 the > > child of > > James and Mary at Bampton, Oxford, England > > > > And an Elizabeth Coxeter married 05 May 1628 -Bampton, > Oxford, England > > spouse:    Robert Redburne > > > > If you look at the VCH [Victoria County History] the > Manor House became a > > School. I have sent you an image of the 1841 census > for the place I believe > > is the school, called Mansion House School.  > Clement's Inn mentioned in VCH > > was apparently an Inn of Chancery before the reign of > Edward IV. > > > > Read more: INNS OF COURT - Online Information article > about INNS OF COURT > > http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/I27_INV/INNS_OF_COURT.html#ixzz1UdbMLO00 > > > > > > There is a Bampton- well several - websites one I > cannot get to connect is > > www.bamptonoxon.co.uk/ > > > > > > Kind Regards, Jill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Pam and Fred > > Sent: 09 August 2011 16:32 > > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton > > > > Hello All > > > > I wonder if anyone is able to > > assist me in identifying Weald > > Manor in Bampton on the census > > please? Although my main > > interest is in a family that > > lived there before the 1841 > > census, I would like to know > > more about its inhabitants. My > > husband's 4x great > > grandparents, and > > Harriet (nee COXETER) resided > > there, Robert until his death > > in 1800. Robert was at one > > time, appointed Consul by King > > George III to Algiers. Robert > > and Harriet's son, William > > Fetcham KIRKE also lived there > > until his death in 1840 - my > > husband descends from WFK's > > line through his illegitimate > > son who died in Reading > > Workhouse! Robert's mother was > > also a COXETER - Elizabeth, > > but I have yet to be able to > > connect Elizabeth to Harriet, > > if indeed there is a > > connection. Robert and > > Elizabeth had other children, > > but apart from the death of > > one and the marriage of > > another, I have been unable to > > find any reference to either > > George Robert KIRKE and Robert > > KIRKE both born circa 1762 - > > 1767, and possibly in Algiers. > > Any help at all, on Weald > > Manor, Bampton, the KIRKE or > > the COXETER families, would be > > most gratfully received. > > Many thanks. > > Pam Hodge from Kent > > > >   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > OFHS "Wills Library" : > > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hello again Jill I'm not sure if I answered this email or not, as I have quite a few, for which I thank you. There does seem to be some confusion regarding Weald Manor south west of the church, almost out of the village and the Manor House which is north west of the church. The Coxeter and Kirke mentions fit well with Weald Manor, but as for the 1841 census, this would be the Manor/Mansion House that became the school, so I am still none the wiser as to who was living at Weald Manor in 1841. Thanks for your time and attention and the info below at least gives us some info about the origins of Weald Manor and its land. Kind regards Pam On 10/08/2011 15:51, Jill Muir wrote: > Hello Pam, > I have looked for Kirke and Coxeter [ just in case] in Bampton and have not > found any. Have you looked at later census for this property? > > Weald Manor, (fn. 72) at the north end of Weald Lane, originated as the > farmhouse for 3 copyhold yardlands on Bampton Earls manor. (fn. 73) From the > late 16th century to the early 19th it was let to local gentry, including, > probably, members of the Snoddenham family from the 1560s, in 1609 > Bartholomew Peisley, (fn. 74) and from c. 1675 or earlier members of the > Coxeter family. (fn. 75) It was drastically remodelled allegedly in 1742, > when the lease was held by Thomas Coxeter (d. 1755) in trust for his mother, > with reversion to his wife Elizabeth; (fn. 76) she lived elsewhere by 1765, > (fn. 77) and in 1774 the lease passed apparently through marriage to Robert > Kirke (d. 1800) of Clements Inn. (fn. 78) The house, called a mansion house > in 1738 and the Manor House from the earlier 19th century when it housed a > private school, (fn. 79) was sold with manorial rights in 1870, perhaps > through a misconception resulting from the name. (fn. 80) > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15914&strquery=Kirke > > FamilySearch shows that a Harriet Coxeter was baptised 8th March 1767 the > child of > James and Mary at Bampton, Oxford, England > > And an Elizabeth Coxeter married 05 May 1628 -Bampton, Oxford, England > spouse: Robert Redburne > > If you look at the VCH [Victoria County History] the Manor House became a > School. I have sent you an image of the 1841 census for the place I believe > is the school, called Mansion House School. Clement's Inn mentioned in VCH > was apparently an Inn of Chancery before the reign of Edward IV. > > Read more: INNS OF COURT - Online Information article about INNS OF COURT > http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/I27_INV/INNS_OF_COURT.html#ixzz1UdbMLO00 > > > There is a Bampton- well several - websites one I cannot get to connect is > www.bamptonoxon.co.uk/ > > > Kind Regards, Jill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam and Fred > Sent: 09 August 2011 16:32 > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton > > Hello All > > I wonder if anyone is able to > assist me in identifying Weald > Manor in Bampton on the census > please? Although my main > interest is in a family that > lived there before the 1841 > census, I would like to know > more about its inhabitants. My > husband's 4x great > grandparents, and > Harriet (nee COXETER) resided > there, Robert until his death > in 1800. Robert was at one > time, appointed Consul by King > George III to Algiers. Robert > and Harriet's son, William > Fetcham KIRKE also lived there > until his death in 1840 - my > husband descends from WFK's > line through his illegitimate > son who died in Reading > Workhouse! Robert's mother was > also a COXETER - Elizabeth, > but I have yet to be able to > connect Elizabeth to Harriet, > if indeed there is a > connection. Robert and > Elizabeth had other children, > but apart from the death of > one and the marriage of > another, I have been unable to > find any reference to either > George Robert KIRKE and Robert > KIRKE both born circa 1762 - > 1767, and possibly in Algiers. > Any help at all, on Weald > Manor, Bampton, the KIRKE or > the COXETER families, would be > most gratfully received. > Many thanks. > Pam Hodge from Kent > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Jill Yes, I was wondering, I must admit, as I have seen somewhere before, a photo of Weald Manor Bampton and although grand by my standards, didn't look as impressive as the Manor House Bampton. I have confitrmed this by looking at google eart north west of the church, where is situated the Manor house, whereas Weald Manor is south west of the church, on the edge of Bampton. Thanks though for your help. Kind regards Pam On 11/08/2011 07:44, Jill Muir wrote: > Hello again Pam, > I believe I was incorrect yesterday and the Country House images and > description are of Manor House Bampton and not that of Weald. If you search > as Wendy has suggested and search for both > > Manor House, Bampton and Manor House, Weald, Bampton, you will see they are > different houses. > > Kind Regards, Jill > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendy King > Sent: 10 August 2011 22:05 > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton > > use the Heritage link on the home page of the OFHS to get to the Oxhist > archives put manor house bampton into the 'exact words' box and you will get > > 10 images of the house in 1890 and 1900 > > Wendt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jill Muir > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:51 PM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Wendy Will have another go in order to see the ten images, although Wendy Archer kindly sent me a URL link so i saw two pages in the mag. Thanks again Kind regards Pam On 10/08/2011 22:04, Wendy King wrote: > use the Heritage link on the home page of the OFHS to get to the Oxhist > archives put manor house bampton into the 'exact words' box and you will get > 10 images of the house in 1890 and 1900 > > Wendt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jill Muir > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:51 PM > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton > > Hello Pam, > I have looked for Kirke and Coxeter [ just in case] in Bampton and have not > found any. Have you looked at later census for this property? > > Weald Manor, (fn. 72) at the north end of Weald Lane, originated as the > farmhouse for 3 copyhold yardlands on Bampton Earls manor. (fn. 73) From the > late 16th century to the early 19th it was let to local gentry, including, > probably, members of the Snoddenham family from the 1560s, in 1609 > Bartholomew Peisley, (fn. 74) and from c. 1675 or earlier members of the > Coxeter family. (fn. 75) It was drastically remodelled allegedly in 1742, > when the lease was held by Thomas Coxeter (d. 1755) in trust for his mother, > with reversion to his wife Elizabeth; (fn. 76) she lived elsewhere by 1765, > (fn. 77) and in 1774 the lease passed apparently through marriage to Robert > Kirke (d. 1800) of Clements Inn. (fn. 78) The house, called a mansion house > in 1738 and the Manor House from the earlier 19th century when it housed a > private school, (fn. 79) was sold with manorial rights in 1870, perhaps > through a misconception resulting from the name. (fn. 80) > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15914&strquery=Kirke > > FamilySearch shows that a Harriet Coxeter was baptised 8th March 1767 the > child of > James and Mary at Bampton, Oxford, England > > And an Elizabeth Coxeter married 05 May 1628 -Bampton, Oxford, England > spouse: Robert Redburne > > If you look at the VCH [Victoria County History] the Manor House became a > School. I have sent you an image of the 1841 census for the place I believe > is the school, called Mansion House School. Clement's Inn mentioned in VCH > was apparently an Inn of Chancery before the reign of Edward IV. > > Read more: INNS OF COURT - Online Information article about INNS OF COURT > http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/I27_INV/INNS_OF_COURT.html#ixzz1UdbMLO00 > > > There is a Bampton- well several - websites one I cannot get to connect is > www.bamptonoxon.co.uk/ > > > Kind Regards, Jill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:oxfordshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam and Fred > Sent: 09 August 2011 16:32 > To: oxfordshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [OXF] KIRKE, COXETER and Weald Manor Bampton > > Hello All > > I wonder if anyone is able to > assist me in identifying Weald > Manor in Bampton on the census > please? Although my main > interest is in a family that > lived there before the 1841 > census, I would like to know > more about its inhabitants. My > husband's 4x great > grandparents, and > Harriet (nee COXETER) resided > there, Robert until his death > in 1800. Robert was at one > time, appointed Consul by King > George III to Algiers. Robert > and Harriet's son, William > Fetcham KIRKE also lived there > until his death in 1840 - my > husband descends from WFK's > line through his illegitimate > son who died in Reading > Workhouse! Robert's mother was > also a COXETER - Elizabeth, > but I have yet to be able to > connect Elizabeth to Harriet, > if indeed there is a > connection. Robert and > Elizabeth had other children, > but apart from the death of > one and the marriage of > another, I have been unable to > find any reference to either > George Robert KIRKE and Robert > KIRKE both born circa 1762 - > 1767, and possibly in Algiers. > Any help at all, on Weald > Manor, Bampton, the KIRKE or > the COXETER families, would be > most gratfully received. > Many thanks. > Pam Hodge from Kent > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > OFHS "Wills Library" : > Can you submit any wills, please?http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to OXFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >