Robert Hays, I have been using 'Blocked Sender' on spam. Has very little effect for one thing, as senders continually change the address from which they spam us. However, I am wondering about correct way to block domains, and if it really does work. For example: would like to block bigfoot.com. Which will work; entering @bigfoot.com or leaving off the @. I couldn't find very specific information about formats. I also saw something that said Outlook Express really doesn't have an anti-junk mail procedure in place. Maybe I'm wasting my time completely by using Block Sender. Have you any recommendations? Sue Alberts [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > There is a feature in OE that can cause problems along these lines, and that is the > "Block Sender" feature. Folks who do not understand what this feature does can > inadvertently put someone on that list, and will hence forth have all their incoming > mail sent straight to the "Deleted Items" box. This list is also maintained as a > separate list and will not be found in your list of rules. To find and view it, click > on Tools / Message Rules / Blocked Senders List ,,,, and see if the misplaced sender > is listed, if they are, remove them. If they are not on the Blocked Senders list, > then examine every thing > contained in the headers and body and compare to any Rules they may have set up, it is > VERY easy for a well intentioned Rule to have ill results. > Bob Hays

I agree with you on how worthless "Block Sender" is on stopping spammers, it is mostly effective for stopping mail that always come from the same person or domain. I have been collecting these spam messages for the last two weeks and so far I have collected 46 of them. Now that I have a small collection, I can see that many of them have the same domain name with a different user name in front of the @ ,,,,, so the thing to do in this case is to open your Blocked Sender list ,, click on one of them ,,, click on "Modify" and remove everything in front of the @ ,,, this will block the whole domain ,,,, just be sure you never receive mail from that domain that you do want. As far as the Rules go, they are not picky at all as to what you put in them as triggers, just make sure that the correct type of words and/or characters is used in the correct fields and make use of the Boolean operators "or" & "And" to construct a rule that will work exactly the way you want and exclude all others. These operators can be strung out and used to connect as many words or phrases as is needed to construct a rule that will work for you. You can also use more than one field in your Rule, (From), (To), Subject) and (Body). When you have your Rule finished, read it very carefully, it will work exactly the way you read it. If you use the operator "And" to filter on two or more words, then ALL the words/characters must be present, and if you use the operator "or" to filter on two or more words/characters, then the rule will trigger on any one of the words/characters. You can mix the two operators, so get creative. When you read the Rule back to yourself, emphasize the two operators, it will help you understand how the Rule will work. The danger you face in creating a Rule is that it will also filter out mail you don't want filtered, so something unique about the mail you do want filtered must be found and filter on that. Rules can also be set up to help you manage your mail, as an exp., I have a rule set up for every list I am sub.'ed to so that each one will appear in my message list in a different color ,,, I can just glance at my list of messages and know that all the Red ones belong to a certain list and all the Green ones belong to another list , etc., etc. ,,,, no reading required. (Black is reserved for my personal private mail ,,,,, and Spam, <g>) Good luck Bob Hays ________________________________________________________ Original Message ----- From: "Sue Alberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > Robert Hays, I have been using 'Blocked Sender' on spam. Has very little > effect for one thing, as senders continually change the address from which > they spam us. > However, I am wondering about correct way to block domains, and if it > really does work. For example: would like to block bigfoot.com. Which > will work; entering @bigfoot.com or leaving off the @. I couldn't find > very specific information about formats. > I also saw something that said Outlook Express really doesn't have an > anti-junk mail procedure in place. Maybe I'm wasting my time completely by > using Block Sender. Have you any recommendations? Sue Alberts > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > There is a feature in OE that can cause problems along these lines, and > that is the > > "Block Sender" feature. Folks who do not understand what this feature does > can > > inadvertently put someone on that list, and will hence forth have all > their incoming > > mail sent straight to the "Deleted Items" box. This list is also > maintained as a > > separate list and will not be found in your list of rules. To find and > view it, click > > on Tools / Message Rules / Blocked Senders List ,,,, and see if the > misplaced sender > > is listed, if they are, remove them. If they are not on the Blocked > Senders list, > > then examine every thing > > contained in the headers and body and compare to any Rules they may have > set up, it is > > VERY easy for a well intentioned Rule to have ill results. > > Bob Hays > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Robert Hays, Thank you for the advice on flexibility of setting up 'Rules'. I had only been entering one 'condition', as in sending wanted mail into various folders. Also, I did same as you, and used modify the Blocked Sender list to remove the prefix to the "@" in order to block a domain. However, in the example of "@bigfoot.com" it was not effective, so I changed it to "bigfoot.com" (leaving out "@"). I don't think either worked, and I think it is because somewhere in HELP* it says that some formats cannot BE blocked. Some (Most?) spam must be written/sent in the format that cannot be blocked.. *(See under HELP, Blocking Domains and the paragraph marked Important.) Perhaps the best option must be to use Message Rules and by using combinations of various 'And' & 'Or' conditions, send some domains to Delete Folder. This will keep spam out of the Inbox. However, IF the spammer receives 'the word' that his spam was blocked, then we are denied the particular satisfaction of knowing we've left them with a 'parting shot', soda speak... On the other hand, I don't know if any notification DOES go back to the spammer... I wish someone would invent a Spam Snake -- something that; 'crawls' back up the line to the jerksters that send that crap; pushes a lever that; activates a hammer that; bops them on the head. Sue Alberts [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > I agree with you on how worthless "Block Sender" is on stopping spammers, it is mostly > effective for stopping mail that always come from the same person or domain. I have > been collecting these spam messages for the last two weeks and so far I have collected > 46 of them. Now that I have a small collection, I can see that many of them have the > same domain name with a different user name in front of the @ ,,,,, so the thing to > do in this case is to open your Blocked Sender list ,, click on one of them ,,, click > on "Modify" and remove everything in front of the @ ,,, this will block the whole > domain ,,,, just be sure you never receive mail from that domain that you do want. > As far as the Rules go, they are not picky at all as to what you put in them as > triggers, just make sure that the correct type of words and/or characters is used in > the correct fields and make use of the Boolean operators "or" & "And" to construct a > rule that will work exactly the way you want and exclude all others. These operators > can be strung out and used to connect as many words or phrases as is needed to > construct a rule that will work for you. You can also use more than one field in your > Rule, (From), (To), Subject) and (Body). When you have your Rule finished, read it > very carefully, it will work exactly the way you read it. If you use the operator > "And" to filter on two or more words, then ALL the words/characters must be present, > and if you use the operator "or" to filter on two or more words/characters, then the > rule will trigger on any one of the words/characters. You can mix the two operators, > so get creative. When you read the Rule back to yourself, emphasize the two > operators, it will help you understand how the Rule will work. > The danger you face in creating a Rule is that it will also filter out mail you > don't want filtered, so something unique about the mail you do want filtered must be > found and filter on that. > Rules can also be set up to help you manage your mail, as an exp., I have a rule > set up for every list I am sub.'ed to so that each one will appear in my message list > in a different color ,,, I can just glance at my list of messages and know that all > the Red ones belong to a certain list and all the Green ones belong to another list , > etc., etc. ,,,, no reading required. (Black is reserved for my personal private mail > ,,,,, and Spam, <g>) > Good luck > Bob Hays > ________________________________________________________ > Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Alberts" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:18 PM > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > Robert Hays, I have been using 'Blocked Sender' on spam. Has very little > > effect for one thing, as senders continually change the address from which > > they spam us. > > However, I am wondering about correct way to block domains, and if it > > really does work. For example: would like to block bigfoot.com. Which > > will work; entering @bigfoot.com or leaving off the @. I couldn't find > > very specific information about formats. > > I also saw something that said Outlook Express really doesn't have an > > anti-junk mail procedure in place. Maybe I'm wasting my time completely by > > using Block Sender. Have you any recommendations? Sue Alberts > > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > > > > There is a feature in OE that can cause problems along these lines, and > > that is the > > > "Block Sender" feature. Folks who do not understand what this feature does > > can > > > inadvertently put someone on that list, and will hence forth have all > > their incoming > > > mail sent straight to the "Deleted Items" box. This list is also > > maintained as a > > > separate list and will not be found in your list of rules. To find and > > view it, click > > > on Tools / Message Rules / Blocked Senders List ,,,, and see if the > > misplaced sender > > > is listed, if they are, remove them. If they are not on the Blocked > > Senders list, > > > then examine every thing > > > contained in the headers and body and compare to any Rules they may have > > set up, it is > > > VERY easy for a well intentioned Rule to have ill results. > > > Bob Hays > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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Thank you for your input, it saved me the trouble of finding out for myself. Just today I also found out that this scheme is just not working. SOooo, as you said, that leaves us with only the Rules to do the job. I now have a rule set up to cover two of my most frequent spammer domains ,,,,,,, got my fingers crossed. You can rest easy on them being notified that their spam has been blocked ,,, that does not happen. You can aim for the head if you wish but I had a lower part of the anatomy in mind. Bob Hays ______________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Alberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > Robert Hays, Thank you for the advice on flexibility of setting up 'Rules'. > I had only been entering one 'condition', as in sending wanted mail into > various folders. > > Also, I did same as you, and used modify the Blocked Sender list to remove > the prefix to the "@" in order to block a domain. However, in the example > of "@bigfoot.com" it was not effective, so I changed it to "bigfoot.com" > (leaving out "@"). I don't think either worked, and I think it is because > somewhere in HELP* it says that some formats cannot BE blocked. Some > (Most?) spam must be written/sent in the format that cannot be blocked.. > *(See under HELP, Blocking Domains and the paragraph marked Important.) > > Perhaps the best option must be to use Message Rules and by using > combinations of various 'And' & 'Or' conditions, send some domains to Delete > Folder. This will keep spam out of the Inbox. However, IF the spammer > receives 'the word' that his spam was blocked, then we are denied the > particular satisfaction of knowing we've left them with a 'parting shot', > soda speak... On the other hand, I don't know if any notification DOES go > back to the spammer... > I wish someone would invent a Spam Snake -- something that; > 'crawls' back up the line to the jerksters that send that crap; > pushes a lever that; > activates a hammer that; > bops them on the head. > Sue Alberts [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 1:36 AM > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > I agree with you on how worthless "Block Sender" is on stopping spammers, > it is mostly > > effective for stopping mail that always come from the same person or > domain. I have > > been collecting these spam messages for the last two weeks and so far I > have collected > > 46 of them. Now that I have a small collection, I can see that many of > them have the > > same domain name with a different user name in front of the @ ,,,,, so > the thing to > > do in this case is to open your Blocked Sender list ,, click on one of > them ,,, click > > on "Modify" and remove everything in front of the @ ,,, this will block > the whole > > domain ,,,, just be sure you never receive mail from that domain that you > do want. > > As far as the Rules go, they are not picky at all as to what you put > in them as > > triggers, just make sure that the correct type of words and/or characters > is used in > > the correct fields and make use of the Boolean operators "or" & "And" to > construct a > > rule that will work exactly the way you want and exclude all others. These > operators > > can be strung out and used to connect as many words or phrases as is > needed to > > construct a rule that will work for you. You can also use more than one > field in your > > Rule, (From), (To), Subject) and (Body). When you have your Rule > finished, read it > > very carefully, it will work exactly the way you read it. If you use the > operator > > "And" to filter on two or more words, then ALL the words/characters must > be present, > > and if you use the operator "or" to filter on two or more > words/characters, then the > > rule will trigger on any one of the words/characters. You can mix the two > operators, > > so get creative. When you read the Rule back to yourself, emphasize the > two > > operators, it will help you understand how the Rule will work. > > The danger you face in creating a Rule is that it will also filter out > mail you > > don't want filtered, so something unique about the mail you do want > filtered must be > > found and filter on that. > > Rules can also be set up to help you manage your mail, as an exp., I > have a rule > > set up for every list I am sub.'ed to so that each one will appear in my > message list > > in a different color ,,, I can just glance at my list of messages and know > that all > > the Red ones belong to a certain list and all the Green ones belong to > another list , > > etc., etc. ,,,, no reading required. (Black is reserved for my personal > private mail > > ,,,,, and Spam, <g>) > > Good luck > > Bob Hays > > ________________________________________________________ > > Original Message ----- > > From: "Sue Alberts" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > > > > Robert Hays, I have been using 'Blocked Sender' on spam. Has very > little > > > effect for one thing, as senders continually change the address from > which > > > they spam us. > > > However, I am wondering about correct way to block domains, and if it > > > really does work. For example: would like to block bigfoot.com. Which > > > will work; entering @bigfoot.com or leaving off the @. I couldn't find > > > very specific information about formats. > > > I also saw something that said Outlook Express really doesn't have an > > > anti-junk mail procedure in place. Maybe I'm wasting my time completely > by > > > using Block Sender. Have you any recommendations? Sue Alberts > > > [email protected] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > > > > > > > There is a feature in OE that can cause problems along these lines, > and > > > that is the > > > > "Block Sender" feature. Folks who do not understand what this feature > does > > > can > > > > inadvertently put someone on that list, and will hence forth have all > > > their incoming > > > > mail sent straight to the "Deleted Items" box. This list is also > > > maintained as a > > > > separate list and will not be found in your list of rules. To find > and > > > view it, click > > > > on Tools / Message Rules / Blocked Senders List ,,,, and see if the > > > misplaced sender > > > > is listed, if they are, remove them. If they are not on the Blocked > > > Senders list, > > > > then examine every thing > > > > contained in the headers and body and compare to any Rules they may > have > > > set up, it is > > > > VERY easy for a well intentioned Rule to have ill results. > > > > Bob Hays > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. 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