Sort of...works the same. In fact, the keyboard code is always shown in the bottom corner of the map. Character map is an accessory connected to my Windows setup, just like Word Pad, Games, etc. It list the Special characters by fonts and you see them to easily find the exact one you need. I usually use it to utilize the Spanish characters, and recently to use some math characters for a spread sheet project. It works fine when I use on ICQ, but not with OE...I have used it here before. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hays" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [OE] Character map : Well ,,,, I guess I am going to have to play dumb here, are you talking : about the special characters that can be inserted into documents by using : the Alt. key + a number on your right numeric key pad ???? : If not, please explain in MUCH more detail what is happening. : Bob Hays : ________________________________________ : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Timothy Braswell" <[email protected]> : To: <[email protected]> : Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 2:49 PM : Subject: [OE] Character map : : : > I have been using my character map for some time, but now it isn't working : > right. : > It works with my ICQ messages, but not my e-mail...what's happened? : > : > Jen in AL : > : > : > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== : > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: : http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm : > : > ============================== : > Get Free Access to over 900 million names from Dec 7 until Dec : 21!http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/freeaccess.htm?sourcecode=736 : > : : : ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== : To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm : : ============================== : The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! : http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 : :

Well ,,,, I guess I am going to have to play dumb here, are you talking about the special characters that can be inserted into documents by using the Alt. key + a number on your right numeric key pad ???? If not, please explain in MUCH more detail what is happening. Bob Hays ________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Braswell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 2:49 PM Subject: [OE] Character map > I have been using my character map for some time, but now it isn't working > right. > It works with my ICQ messages, but not my e-mail...what's happened? > > Jen in AL > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Get Free Access to over 900 million names from Dec 7 until Dec 21!http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/freeaccess.htm?sourcecode=736 >

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I have been using my character map for some time, but now it isn't working right. It works with my ICQ messages, but not my e-mail...what's happened? Jen in AL

Click on file at upper left of monitor screen, click on "save as" when save menu comes up, designate 3 1/2 inch disk, designate or type in name you want for file and then designate either eml or txt extension (either works, just that the eml extension leaves all the headers on). Cal [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Braswell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:08 AM Subject: [OE] Saving E-mail > perhaps I haven't found the right place to tell me this, but hopefully some > one here can help. > > Is there a way to send e-mail to a diskette to save? > > Jen in AL > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

perhaps I haven't found the right place to tell me this, but hopefully some one here can help. Is there a way to send e-mail to a diskette to save? Jen in AL

My daughter, in all her wisdom, had a cleanout of all my genealogical messages in Outlook Express and moved the folders and their messages to MyDocuments/Outlook.. I have tried to open them there and cannot read them as they are all gibberish.. I have tried to import them back to Outlook Express and receive this message: "The specified message could not be opened. It may be in use by Outlook Express" and upon clicking OK I get "No message can be found in this folder or another application is running that has the required files open. Please select another folder or try closing applications that may have files open." When I click properties on the different folders some are 1.2mb, some 850kb, and so on. So the messages must be there, not just folders. I have renamed the folders in an effort to open them but to no avail. Can you help? Jenny

I do not have Outlook so I know nothing about it, all I can do is offer suggestions. 1. Restore the original folder names, there may be an index file somewhere that needs them. 2. Make sure a folder of the same name does not already exist in OE. 3. Try Importing back into OE and make sure Outlook is not running. Bob Hays __________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Craig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 4:32 PM Subject: [OE] Outlook Express messages in limbo > > My daughter, in all her wisdom, had a cleanout of all my genealogical > messages in Outlook Express and moved the folders and their messages to > MyDocuments/Outlook.. I have tried to open them there and cannot read > them as they are all gibberish.. I have tried to import them back to > Outlook Express and receive this message: "The specified message could not > be opened. It may be in use by Outlook Express" and upon clicking OK I get > "No message can be found in this folder or another application is running > that has the required files open. Please select another folder or try > closing applications that may have files open." > When I click properties on the different folders some are 1.2mb, some 850kb, > and so on. So the messages must be there, not just folders. I have renamed > the folders in an effort to open them but to no avail. > Can you help? > Jenny > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Bob, Thanks. I'll give it a try tomorrow. Let you know how it goes. I surely can not figure out that error message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hays" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > > You suggested that the above "Always connect...." be unchecked. Would that > > affect anything else, do you think? > ## No it would not, all it would do is change from "Always use Local area network" to > "Any available" , this is mostly used by people who use more than one ISP, it allows > them to check for incoming mail stored on several ISP's and read News Groups from any > ISP without getting that annoying question about whether to log off where you are and > log on to another ISP. > Naturally you can do as you wish, but I think you are just asking for trouble by > trying to read News Groups on one server by way of a totally different server, not all > News Servers are created equal. > I have three different News Groups set up and all three appear as a different > Folder with its' own server just for that News Group and its' list of forums. > If nothing else, go ahead and set up a NEW account for Microsoft just to see if it > works, all you have to do to remove it is click on it in your list of News Accounts > and click on "Remove" ,,,,, and its' gone. If it does work, then you probably need > to Remove the AT&T account and re-set it up. > If all this does not work, I am at a loss also, I know nothing about Win ME, > ,,,,,, I am still in the dark ages with Win 98 ,,,, where I intend to stay for some > time to come. > Good luck > Bob Hays > ___________________________________________ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Cardner" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > > > > Bob, > > Thanks for all your help. Right now I am just concentrating on trying to > > subscribe to an AT&T newsgroup, as they are already configured in my mail. > > All settings are as you mentioned, except that "Always connect to this > > account using" is checked and underneath is the drop-down menu with Local > > Area Network showing. > > I am assuming these are the original settings as I was using newsgroups > > before very easily. > > You suggested that the above "Always connect...." be unchecked. Would that > > affect anything else, do you think? > > This computer appears to be very proprietary. When I change settings to > > accomplish one thing, it appears to affect another. Mostly, I like it. But > > it does get a little irritating at times. It is great for graphics, and it > > has some nice features. > > Oh,the port setting is 119. Wonder why the error message says 0? Also > > thinking out loud about why they SSL would be involved when it is unchecked. > > Sydney > (snip) > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Bob, Thanks for all your help. Right now I am just concentrating on trying to subscribe to an AT&T newsgroup, as they are already configured in my mail. All settings are as you mentioned, except that "Always connect to this account using" is checked and underneath is the drop-down menu with Local Area Network showing. I am assuming these are the original settings as I was using newsgroups before very easily. You suggested that the above "Always connect...." be unchecked. Would that affect anything else, do you think? This computer appears to be very proprietary. When I change settings to accomplish one thing, it appears to affect another. Mostly, I like it. But it does get a little irritating at times. It is great for graphics, and it has some nice features. Oh,the port setting is 119. Wonder why the error message says 0? Also thinking out loud about why they SSL would be involved when it is unchecked. Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hays" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > I told you wrong yesterday when I said there were only two forums, there are 13. > I went to the URL you sent and sub.ed to the forum (new.user) without any problems, > however, I was already set up for the msnews.microsoft.com news groups. > Your error message indicates you have a configuration problem, so lets check your > config. ,,,, Click on Tools / Accounts / News Tab ,,,, see if there is an account set > up for the Microsoft News group ,,,, If there is, click on Properties ,,,,, if not, > click on New and set it up ,,, ::::::::: > > GENERAL Tab: > Fill in the blanks. > Do not select "Include this account ------ ------ -------" > > SERVER Tab: > Server Name: msnews.microsoft.com > Do not select "This server requires me to log on" > > CONNECTION Tab: > Do not select :Always connect to this account using:" > > ADVANCED Tab: > News [NNTP]: 119 > Do not select "This server requires a secure connection" > Do select "Use Newsgroup descriptions" > No other selections > > If there is nothing else wrong, these settings should work. Be sure to check the Port > #, should be 119, your error reports 0. > Good luck > Bob Hays > _______________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Cardner" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > > > > Bob, > > Thanks for your response. I subscribed from the following page: > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/support/default.asp?PR=winme&FR=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-U S > > > > The list is called microsoft.public.windowsme.new-user. > > > > Before, all I did was click on the newsgroup name, and it was in my OE > > folders. I believe it asked if I wanted to subscribe. It was practically > > done for me. It is a pretty good newsgroup and helped me out a lot with > > some of the little oddities of ME. > > > > Now, when I click on it, my mailbox opens and a big window informs me of the > > message I posted. Strangely enough, I get the same message for the AT&T > > newsgroups. > > > > I just can not figure it. > > Sydney > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Hays" <[email protected]: > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > > > > > > > I do not know how you are attempting to sub to the Win ME group, but it > > should be > > > sub.'ed to through the official MS forums at --> msnews.microsoft.com > > . > > > If you haven't already done so, set up a new News account and > > use --->> > > > msnews.microsoft.com as the news server. > > > There are two groups currently available: > > > 1. microsoft.public.opk.millennium > > > 2. microsoft.public.sbk.millennium > > > > > > Hope this helps your problem > > > Bob Hays > > > ______________________________________________ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bruce Cardner" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:38 PM > > > Subject: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > > > > > > > > > > I used the Microsoft Windows ME newsgroup for a while. Then I > > unsubscribed. > > > > Now when I attempt to subscribe again, I get an unidentified error > > message: > > > > > > > > Configuration: > > > > Protocol: NNTP > > > > Port 0 > > > > Secure (SSL):0 > > > > Code 8004005 > > > > > > > > I had Zone Alarm when I used the list before, and it was ok. I have > > mostly > > > > my original default settings on OE 5.5. > > > > > > > > I decided to try an AT&T newsgroup, but also got the error message as > > well. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas? I have a Dell, 128 mbs Ram, 800 Mhz Pentium > > > > III, OS Windows ME, IE 5.5. > > > > > > > > Sydney Cardner > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > > > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. 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> You suggested that the above "Always connect...." be unchecked. Would that > affect anything else, do you think? ## No it would not, all it would do is change from "Always use Local area network" to "Any available" , this is mostly used by people who use more than one ISP, it allows them to check for incoming mail stored on several ISP's and read News Groups from any ISP without getting that annoying question about whether to log off where you are and log on to another ISP. Naturally you can do as you wish, but I think you are just asking for trouble by trying to read News Groups on one server by way of a totally different server, not all News Servers are created equal. I have three different News Groups set up and all three appear as a different Folder with its' own server just for that News Group and its' list of forums. If nothing else, go ahead and set up a NEW account for Microsoft just to see if it works, all you have to do to remove it is click on it in your list of News Accounts and click on "Remove" ,,,,, and its' gone. If it does work, then you probably need to Remove the AT&T account and re-set it up. If all this does not work, I am at a loss also, I know nothing about Win ME, ,,,,,, I am still in the dark ages with Win 98 ,,,, where I intend to stay for some time to come. Good luck Bob Hays ___________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Cardner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > Bob, > Thanks for all your help. Right now I am just concentrating on trying to > subscribe to an AT&T newsgroup, as they are already configured in my mail. > All settings are as you mentioned, except that "Always connect to this > account using" is checked and underneath is the drop-down menu with Local > Area Network showing. > I am assuming these are the original settings as I was using newsgroups > before very easily. > You suggested that the above "Always connect...." be unchecked. Would that > affect anything else, do you think? > This computer appears to be very proprietary. When I change settings to > accomplish one thing, it appears to affect another. Mostly, I like it. But > it does get a little irritating at times. It is great for graphics, and it > has some nice features. > Oh,the port setting is 119. Wonder why the error message says 0? Also > thinking out loud about why they SSL would be involved when it is unchecked. > Sydney (snip)

Answered below: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mildred Mallek" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: [OE] Re: Font sizes > Where can I change the size of my font on: > > l. my incoming e-mail messages ## The default setting is at Tools / Options / Read tab / Fonts / Font size window. ## Or can be change Temporarily at: View / Text Size ,,, make your selection > > 2. my outgoing e-mail messages ## This font size defaults to the same size as incoming. ## For HTML messages, it can be changed in the message itself. > > 3. pages I copy from e-mail messages ## this depends on the text size setting in the program you are coping into. ## Bob Hays > > Mildred in Lake Geneva, WI > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Where can I change the size of my font on: l. my incoming e-mail messages 2. my outgoing e-mail messages 3. pages I copy from e-mail messages Mildred in Lake Geneva, WI

I told you wrong yesterday when I said there were only two forums, there are 13. I went to the URL you sent and sub.ed to the forum (new.user) without any problems, however, I was already set up for the msnews.microsoft.com news groups. Your error message indicates you have a configuration problem, so lets check your config. ,,,, Click on Tools / Accounts / News Tab ,,,, see if there is an account set up for the Microsoft News group ,,,, If there is, click on Properties ,,,,, if not, click on New and set it up ,,, ::::::::: GENERAL Tab: Fill in the blanks. Do not select "Include this account ------ ------ -------" SERVER Tab: Server Name: msnews.microsoft.com Do not select "This server requires me to log on" CONNECTION Tab: Do not select :Always connect to this account using:" ADVANCED Tab: News [NNTP]: 119 Do not select "This server requires a secure connection" Do select "Use Newsgroup descriptions" No other selections If there is nothing else wrong, these settings should work. Be sure to check the Port #, should be 119, your error reports 0. Good luck Bob Hays _______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Cardner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > Bob, > Thanks for your response. I subscribed from the following page: > > http://support.microsoft.com/support/default.asp?PR=winme&FR=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-US > > The list is called microsoft.public.windowsme.new-user. > > Before, all I did was click on the newsgroup name, and it was in my OE > folders. I believe it asked if I wanted to subscribe. It was practically > done for me. It is a pretty good newsgroup and helped me out a lot with > some of the little oddities of ME. > > Now, when I click on it, my mailbox opens and a big window informs me of the > message I posted. Strangely enough, I get the same message for the AT&T > newsgroups. > > I just can not figure it. > Sydney > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Hays" <[email protected]: > <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > > > > I do not know how you are attempting to sub to the Win ME group, but it > should be > > sub.'ed to through the official MS forums at --> msnews.microsoft.com > . > > If you haven't already done so, set up a new News account and > use --->> > > msnews.microsoft.com as the news server. > > There are two groups currently available: > > 1. microsoft.public.opk.millennium > > 2. microsoft.public.sbk.millennium > > > > Hope this helps your problem > > Bob Hays > > ______________________________________________ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bruce Cardner" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:38 PM > > Subject: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > > > > > > > I used the Microsoft Windows ME newsgroup for a while. Then I > unsubscribed. > > > Now when I attempt to subscribe again, I get an unidentified error > message: > > > > > > Configuration: > > > Protocol: NNTP > > > Port 0 > > > Secure (SSL):0 > > > Code 8004005 > > > > > > I had Zone Alarm when I used the list before, and it was ok. I have > mostly > > > my original default settings on OE 5.5. > > > > > > I decided to try an AT&T newsgroup, but also got the error message as > well. > > > > > > Does anyone have any ideas? I have a Dell, 128 mbs Ram, 800 Mhz Pentium > > > III, OS Windows ME, IE 5.5. > > > > > > Sydney Cardner > > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > ============================== > > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Bob, Thanks for your response. I subscribed from the following page: http://support.microsoft.com/support/default.asp?PR=winme&FR=0&SD=GN&LN=EN-U S The list is called microsoft.public.windowsme.new-user. Before, all I did was click on the newsgroup name, and it was in my OE folders. I believe it asked if I wanted to subscribe. It was practically done for me. It is a pretty good newsgroup and helped me out a lot with some of the little oddities of ME. Now, when I click on it, my mailbox opens and a big window informs me of the message I posted. Strangely enough, I get the same message for the AT&T newsgroups. I just can not figure it. Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hays" <[email protected]: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > I do not know how you are attempting to sub to the Win ME group, but it should be > sub.'ed to through the official MS forums at --> msnews.microsoft.com . > If you haven't already done so, set up a new News account and use --->> > msnews.microsoft.com as the news server. > There are two groups currently available: > 1. microsoft.public.opk.millennium > 2. microsoft.public.sbk.millennium > > Hope this helps your problem > Bob Hays > ______________________________________________ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Cardner" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:38 PM > Subject: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > > > > I used the Microsoft Windows ME newsgroup for a while. Then I unsubscribed. > > Now when I attempt to subscribe again, I get an unidentified error message: > > > > Configuration: > > Protocol: NNTP > > Port 0 > > Secure (SSL):0 > > Code 8004005 > > > > I had Zone Alarm when I used the list before, and it was ok. I have mostly > > my original default settings on OE 5.5. > > > > I decided to try an AT&T newsgroup, but also got the error message as well. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas? I have a Dell, 128 mbs Ram, 800 Mhz Pentium > > III, OS Windows ME, IE 5.5. > > > > Sydney Cardner > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > ============================== > > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > >

I do not know how you are attempting to sub to the Win ME group, but it should be sub.'ed to through the official MS forums at --> msnews.microsoft.com . If you haven't already done so, set up a new News account and use --->> msnews.microsoft.com as the news server. There are two groups currently available: 1. microsoft.public.opk.millennium 2. microsoft.public.sbk.millennium Hope this helps your problem Bob Hays ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Cardner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: [OE] Error when subscribing to newsgroups > I used the Microsoft Windows ME newsgroup for a while. Then I unsubscribed. > Now when I attempt to subscribe again, I get an unidentified error message: > > Configuration: > Protocol: NNTP > Port 0 > Secure (SSL):0 > Code 8004005 > > I had Zone Alarm when I used the list before, and it was ok. I have mostly > my original default settings on OE 5.5. > > I decided to try an AT&T newsgroup, but also got the error message as well. > > Does anyone have any ideas? I have a Dell, 128 mbs Ram, 800 Mhz Pentium > III, OS Windows ME, IE 5.5. > > Sydney Cardner > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Search over 600 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I used the Microsoft Windows ME newsgroup for a while. Then I unsubscribed. Now when I attempt to subscribe again, I get an unidentified error message: Configuration: Protocol: NNTP Port 0 Secure (SSL):0 Code 8004005 I had Zone Alarm when I used the list before, and it was ok. I have mostly my original default settings on OE 5.5. I decided to try an AT&T newsgroup, but also got the error message as well. Does anyone have any ideas? I have a Dell, 128 mbs Ram, 800 Mhz Pentium III, OS Windows ME, IE 5.5. Sydney Cardner

Thank you for your input, it saved me the trouble of finding out for myself. Just today I also found out that this scheme is just not working. SOooo, as you said, that leaves us with only the Rules to do the job. I now have a rule set up to cover two of my most frequent spammer domains ,,,,,,, got my fingers crossed. You can rest easy on them being notified that their spam has been blocked ,,, that does not happen. You can aim for the head if you wish but I had a lower part of the anatomy in mind. Bob Hays ______________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Alberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > Robert Hays, Thank you for the advice on flexibility of setting up 'Rules'. > I had only been entering one 'condition', as in sending wanted mail into > various folders. > > Also, I did same as you, and used modify the Blocked Sender list to remove > the prefix to the "@" in order to block a domain. However, in the example > of "@bigfoot.com" it was not effective, so I changed it to "bigfoot.com" > (leaving out "@"). I don't think either worked, and I think it is because > somewhere in HELP* it says that some formats cannot BE blocked. Some > (Most?) spam must be written/sent in the format that cannot be blocked.. > *(See under HELP, Blocking Domains and the paragraph marked Important.) > > Perhaps the best option must be to use Message Rules and by using > combinations of various 'And' & 'Or' conditions, send some domains to Delete > Folder. This will keep spam out of the Inbox. However, IF the spammer > receives 'the word' that his spam was blocked, then we are denied the > particular satisfaction of knowing we've left them with a 'parting shot', > soda speak... On the other hand, I don't know if any notification DOES go > back to the spammer... > I wish someone would invent a Spam Snake -- something that; > 'crawls' back up the line to the jerksters that send that crap; > pushes a lever that; > activates a hammer that; > bops them on the head. > Sue Alberts [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 1:36 AM > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > I agree with you on how worthless "Block Sender" is on stopping spammers, > it is mostly > > effective for stopping mail that always come from the same person or > domain. I have > > been collecting these spam messages for the last two weeks and so far I > have collected > > 46 of them. Now that I have a small collection, I can see that many of > them have the > > same domain name with a different user name in front of the @ ,,,,, so > the thing to > > do in this case is to open your Blocked Sender list ,, click on one of > them ,,, click > > on "Modify" and remove everything in front of the @ ,,, this will block > the whole > > domain ,,,, just be sure you never receive mail from that domain that you > do want. > > As far as the Rules go, they are not picky at all as to what you put > in them as > > triggers, just make sure that the correct type of words and/or characters > is used in > > the correct fields and make use of the Boolean operators "or" & "And" to > construct a > > rule that will work exactly the way you want and exclude all others. These > operators > > can be strung out and used to connect as many words or phrases as is > needed to > > construct a rule that will work for you. You can also use more than one > field in your > > Rule, (From), (To), Subject) and (Body). When you have your Rule > finished, read it > > very carefully, it will work exactly the way you read it. If you use the > operator > > "And" to filter on two or more words, then ALL the words/characters must > be present, > > and if you use the operator "or" to filter on two or more > words/characters, then the > > rule will trigger on any one of the words/characters. You can mix the two > operators, > > so get creative. When you read the Rule back to yourself, emphasize the > two > > operators, it will help you understand how the Rule will work. > > The danger you face in creating a Rule is that it will also filter out > mail you > > don't want filtered, so something unique about the mail you do want > filtered must be > > found and filter on that. > > Rules can also be set up to help you manage your mail, as an exp., I > have a rule > > set up for every list I am sub.'ed to so that each one will appear in my > message list > > in a different color ,,, I can just glance at my list of messages and know > that all > > the Red ones belong to a certain list and all the Green ones belong to > another list , > > etc., etc. ,,,, no reading required. (Black is reserved for my personal > private mail > > ,,,,, and Spam, <g>) > > Good luck > > Bob Hays > > ________________________________________________________ > > Original Message ----- > > From: "Sue Alberts" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > > > > Robert Hays, I have been using 'Blocked Sender' on spam. Has very > little > > > effect for one thing, as senders continually change the address from > which > > > they spam us. > > > However, I am wondering about correct way to block domains, and if it > > > really does work. For example: would like to block bigfoot.com. Which > > > will work; entering @bigfoot.com or leaving off the @. I couldn't find > > > very specific information about formats. > > > I also saw something that said Outlook Express really doesn't have an > > > anti-junk mail procedure in place. Maybe I'm wasting my time completely > by > > > using Block Sender. Have you any recommendations? Sue Alberts > > > [email protected] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > > > > > > > There is a feature in OE that can cause problems along these lines, > and > > > that is the > > > > "Block Sender" feature. Folks who do not understand what this feature > does > > > can > > > > inadvertently put someone on that list, and will hence forth have all > > > their incoming > > > > mail sent straight to the "Deleted Items" box. This list is also > > > maintained as a > > > > separate list and will not be found in your list of rules. To find > and > > > view it, click > > > > on Tools / Message Rules / Blocked Senders List ,,,, and see if the > > > misplaced sender > > > > is listed, if they are, remove them. If they are not on the Blocked > > > Senders list, > > > > then examine every thing > > > > contained in the headers and body and compare to any Rules they may > have > > > set up, it is > > > > VERY easy for a well intentioned Rule to have ill results. > > > > Bob Hays > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. 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Robert Hays, Thank you for the advice on flexibility of setting up 'Rules'. I had only been entering one 'condition', as in sending wanted mail into various folders. Also, I did same as you, and used modify the Blocked Sender list to remove the prefix to the "@" in order to block a domain. However, in the example of "@bigfoot.com" it was not effective, so I changed it to "bigfoot.com" (leaving out "@"). I don't think either worked, and I think it is because somewhere in HELP* it says that some formats cannot BE blocked. Some (Most?) spam must be written/sent in the format that cannot be blocked.. *(See under HELP, Blocking Domains and the paragraph marked Important.) Perhaps the best option must be to use Message Rules and by using combinations of various 'And' & 'Or' conditions, send some domains to Delete Folder. This will keep spam out of the Inbox. However, IF the spammer receives 'the word' that his spam was blocked, then we are denied the particular satisfaction of knowing we've left them with a 'parting shot', soda speak... On the other hand, I don't know if any notification DOES go back to the spammer... I wish someone would invent a Spam Snake -- something that; 'crawls' back up the line to the jerksters that send that crap; pushes a lever that; activates a hammer that; bops them on the head. Sue Alberts [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > I agree with you on how worthless "Block Sender" is on stopping spammers, it is mostly > effective for stopping mail that always come from the same person or domain. I have > been collecting these spam messages for the last two weeks and so far I have collected > 46 of them. Now that I have a small collection, I can see that many of them have the > same domain name with a different user name in front of the @ ,,,,, so the thing to > do in this case is to open your Blocked Sender list ,, click on one of them ,,, click > on "Modify" and remove everything in front of the @ ,,, this will block the whole > domain ,,,, just be sure you never receive mail from that domain that you do want. > As far as the Rules go, they are not picky at all as to what you put in them as > triggers, just make sure that the correct type of words and/or characters is used in > the correct fields and make use of the Boolean operators "or" & "And" to construct a > rule that will work exactly the way you want and exclude all others. These operators > can be strung out and used to connect as many words or phrases as is needed to > construct a rule that will work for you. You can also use more than one field in your > Rule, (From), (To), Subject) and (Body). When you have your Rule finished, read it > very carefully, it will work exactly the way you read it. If you use the operator > "And" to filter on two or more words, then ALL the words/characters must be present, > and if you use the operator "or" to filter on two or more words/characters, then the > rule will trigger on any one of the words/characters. You can mix the two operators, > so get creative. When you read the Rule back to yourself, emphasize the two > operators, it will help you understand how the Rule will work. > The danger you face in creating a Rule is that it will also filter out mail you > don't want filtered, so something unique about the mail you do want filtered must be > found and filter on that. > Rules can also be set up to help you manage your mail, as an exp., I have a rule > set up for every list I am sub.'ed to so that each one will appear in my message list > in a different color ,,, I can just glance at my list of messages and know that all > the Red ones belong to a certain list and all the Green ones belong to another list , > etc., etc. ,,,, no reading required. (Black is reserved for my personal private mail > ,,,,, and Spam, <g>) > Good luck > Bob Hays > ________________________________________________________ > Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Alberts" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:18 PM > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > Robert Hays, I have been using 'Blocked Sender' on spam. Has very little > > effect for one thing, as senders continually change the address from which > > they spam us. > > However, I am wondering about correct way to block domains, and if it > > really does work. For example: would like to block bigfoot.com. Which > > will work; entering @bigfoot.com or leaving off the @. I couldn't find > > very specific information about formats. > > I also saw something that said Outlook Express really doesn't have an > > anti-junk mail procedure in place. Maybe I'm wasting my time completely by > > using Block Sender. Have you any recommendations? Sue Alberts > > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > > > > There is a feature in OE that can cause problems along these lines, and > > that is the > > > "Block Sender" feature. Folks who do not understand what this feature does > > can > > > inadvertently put someone on that list, and will hence forth have all > > their incoming > > > mail sent straight to the "Deleted Items" box. This list is also > > maintained as a > > > separate list and will not be found in your list of rules. To find and > > view it, click > > > on Tools / Message Rules / Blocked Senders List ,,,, and see if the > > misplaced sender > > > is listed, if they are, remove them. If they are not on the Blocked > > Senders list, > > > then examine every thing > > > contained in the headers and body and compare to any Rules they may have > > set up, it is > > > VERY easy for a well intentioned Rule to have ill results. > > > Bob Hays > > > > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. 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I agree with you on how worthless "Block Sender" is on stopping spammers, it is mostly effective for stopping mail that always come from the same person or domain. I have been collecting these spam messages for the last two weeks and so far I have collected 46 of them. Now that I have a small collection, I can see that many of them have the same domain name with a different user name in front of the @ ,,,,, so the thing to do in this case is to open your Blocked Sender list ,, click on one of them ,,, click on "Modify" and remove everything in front of the @ ,,, this will block the whole domain ,,,, just be sure you never receive mail from that domain that you do want. As far as the Rules go, they are not picky at all as to what you put in them as triggers, just make sure that the correct type of words and/or characters is used in the correct fields and make use of the Boolean operators "or" & "And" to construct a rule that will work exactly the way you want and exclude all others. These operators can be strung out and used to connect as many words or phrases as is needed to construct a rule that will work for you. You can also use more than one field in your Rule, (From), (To), Subject) and (Body). When you have your Rule finished, read it very carefully, it will work exactly the way you read it. If you use the operator "And" to filter on two or more words, then ALL the words/characters must be present, and if you use the operator "or" to filter on two or more words/characters, then the rule will trigger on any one of the words/characters. You can mix the two operators, so get creative. When you read the Rule back to yourself, emphasize the two operators, it will help you understand how the Rule will work. The danger you face in creating a Rule is that it will also filter out mail you don't want filtered, so something unique about the mail you do want filtered must be found and filter on that. Rules can also be set up to help you manage your mail, as an exp., I have a rule set up for every list I am sub.'ed to so that each one will appear in my message list in a different color ,,, I can just glance at my list of messages and know that all the Red ones belong to a certain list and all the Green ones belong to another list , etc., etc. ,,,, no reading required. (Black is reserved for my personal private mail ,,,,, and Spam, <g>) Good luck Bob Hays ________________________________________________________ Original Message ----- From: "Sue Alberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > Robert Hays, I have been using 'Blocked Sender' on spam. Has very little > effect for one thing, as senders continually change the address from which > they spam us. > However, I am wondering about correct way to block domains, and if it > really does work. For example: would like to block bigfoot.com. Which > will work; entering @bigfoot.com or leaving off the @. I couldn't find > very specific information about formats. > I also saw something that said Outlook Express really doesn't have an > anti-junk mail procedure in place. Maybe I'm wasting my time completely by > using Block Sender. Have you any recommendations? Sue Alberts > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Hays <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [OE] messages going to deleted items folder > > > > There is a feature in OE that can cause problems along these lines, and > that is the > > "Block Sender" feature. Folks who do not understand what this feature does > can > > inadvertently put someone on that list, and will hence forth have all > their incoming > > mail sent straight to the "Deleted Items" box. This list is also > maintained as a > > separate list and will not be found in your list of rules. To find and > view it, click > > on Tools / Message Rules / Blocked Senders List ,,,, and see if the > misplaced sender > > is listed, if they are, remove them. If they are not on the Blocked > Senders list, > > then examine every thing > > contained in the headers and body and compare to any Rules they may have > set up, it is > > VERY easy for a well intentioned Rule to have ill results. > > Bob Hays > > > > ==== OUTLOOK-EXPRESS Mailing List ==== > To remove your email address from this list, visit this url: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/maillist.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >