Strange things happen, but courtesy and prior identity and purpose go a long way. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "MATTHEW VAN LOO" <msskvanloo@msn.com> To: <ORWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [WASHINGTON] Cem 99 and Bull Mtn. Rd. > Hey Don, > > Do people really do that???? Wow! Thanks for the heads up. Maybe I should go have a talk with the man. I've identified myself to his daughter once before when she came to let me know that the cemetery was closing. Told her who I was and what I was doing there. She said she didn't care, but that it was closing time and that I needed to go. > So, I went. > > Hey thanks again, Don. > Shelley Van Loo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Kelly > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:56 PM > To: ORWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WASHINGTON] Cem 99 and Bull Mtn. Rd. > > I think it good that he knows who you are and why you are there. He will > be more cooperative that way. When I told him I need a photo of a > gravesite, he dropped everything (preparing for a funeral) to take me to > the site. Now I can drive around and since he knows me, pays no > attention to what I am up to. You see, there are people who will apply > for a replacement SS card, or birth certificate, by finding a dead > person of the right birth year and using the name of a dead person to > commit crimes. Lots of scams arise from using names of deceased people. > Good for the sextant to know who you are. > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MATTHEW VAN LOO" <msskvanloo@msn.com> > To: <ORWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [WASHINGTON] Cem 99 and Bull Mtn. Rd. > > > > Actually, I haven't really talked to the sextant yet, I just started > with just getting the pictures first, should I have done it the other > way around first? > > I figured after the pictures, then I'd get the scoop on who is where. > Although, talking to the sextant might help me out with those stones > that are so hard to read that they won't even show up on camera! > > > > Cameras are great things! Found that out on our honeymoon in Hawaii, > we took pictures of the (sorry if i'm wrong on the name-it's been a > while) SS Arizona? the pearl harbor memorial, Anyhow, once on the > memorial, we took pictures outside of the surrounding waters, because > after all of these years, you could still see oil on the surface of the > water from this ship! > > Once we developed the pictures, woah! you could see things in the > picture that were under water that we couldn't see with the naked eye > from the surface. > > It was weird! > > > > Anyhow, have experience this again, with hard to read with the eye > toombstones. You can't see them, but something about the pictures can > sometimes pick up what you can't dissertain. > > > > Alright, I gotta go for now, still have so much to do for this > upcoming reunion. > > Be getting back with you another time, > > Shelley Van Loo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Kelly > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:40 AM > > To: ORWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [WASHINGTON] Cem 99 and Bull Mtn. Rd. > > > > I know you have a monumental task there. To bad the sextant won't just > > let you copy his records. I saw them and they are really complete, and > > accurate far as I can tell. I gave him a name and he walked me to the > > site.....knew from memory where it was. I note there are sections, a > > section for Masons and other types of sections. I tried to find a > Civil > > War section, but only found an old stone date 1835 which was clearly > > there before Forest Grove was founded. To bad I could not read the > name > > of that SOONER. What a story he could tell. > > > > Don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "MATTHEW VAN LOO" <msskvanloo@msn.com> > > To: <ORWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [WASHINGTON] Cem 99 and Bull Mtn. Rd. > > > > > > > Hey Don, > > > > > > I'm still working on Forest View. Have had a lot of Family things > come > > up lately, but when I get the chance, I jump on it!! :) I had my hubby > > buy me one of those CD-RW discs, so that I can add picture anytime I > > want to ONE disc. > > > > > > I have a pretty good start on these photos, just need to get names > and > > dates down for them, you know sort of catigorize. > > > > > > I read your email about bull mt. cemetery, I chuckled because I kind > > of took the message about "Someone to take photos". That would be > > extremely helpful! I wish I could volunteer, but this one cemetery is > > enough to last me through the summer! > > > Hopefully there are more folks out there with digital cameras, who > > will take the initive. > > > Sometimes, the way people transcribe these cemeteries, well, it > almost > > seems like there isn't any kind of "Easy read Format" to put the > > transcriptions into. > > > I guess everyones style is different. I'm not knocking anyone's > style, > > I'm just kind of a Virgo...you know the trait, gotta have order :) > > > > > > Keep up the good work that you are trying to accomplish for so many! > > > Hope to be in contact with you sometime maybe by end of summer, > early > > fall with a disc full of photos for ya!!! > > > > > > Thanks for being out leader! > > > Shelley Van Loo > > > Cornelius, Oregon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Don Kelly > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:56 PM > > > To: ORWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [WASHINGTON] Cem 99 and Bull Mtn. Rd. > > > > > > OK, about the cemetery on 99W at Bull Mountain Road. The road is > > marked > > > dead and closed. I didn't drive all the way up, but suspect an > > expensive > > > home stands where the church once stood. > > > > > > 300 feet up the road, left branch into the cemetery. Plaque at entry > > > says"Sunset Pioneer Cemetery, founded 1886 by Trinity Evangelical > > > Church, Tigard, Oregon, > > > In memory of the Tigerville Pioneers, Maintained by Tigard Breakfast > > > Club, sponsored by Tigard Rotary Club in memory of founder Paul > > Harris. > > > > > > The cemetery is quite overgrown with ivy and spiders, but the club > has > > > cleared most of the family plots (enclosed by cement curbs) and > > > individual stones which are remarkably upright for a hillside > setting. > > > Some stone base size holes in the ground, (some appear fresh) mute > > > testimony to stones being removed with a shovel. > > > > > > There is evidence from grave size depressions in the ivy that some > > > burials have no stone, or the stone is gone. Other stones are turned > > > over, many broken, and some have been removed with only the > pedestals > > > left......searched the ivy and found no other discarded stones. > > > > > > As evidenced by flowers left there, the site still draws visitors. > One > > > site of a baby had a baby's toy placed on top of the stone. I spoke > to > > > everyone and told them that though I did not know them, I loved them > > > anyway, especially the children. > > > > > > Many transcriptions are written in German, so I'll need help > > translating > > > those. The polished marble stones are as clear as they were 100 > years > > > ago, but the soft stone monuments are hard to read. > > > > > > I'll put the transcriptions up on the website and hope someone will > > take > > > pictures to add later. Meanwhile I'll list just the first/last names > > > that I could read. > > > > > > Conrad Voct, > > > Mother, Mrs. Conrad Vogt These are probably both spelled > Vogt, > > > new to me. > > > William Bremer > > > Sophie Bremer (wife?) > > > Herb Ichhale Another new name to > me. > > > Ulricke S. Plieth > > > Frederick A. Karoliee Baatz > > > August Wilhelm Same stone as Baatz > > > Grebe, Mother Matilda M.A. > > > Father Henry Same stone as Matilda > > > Joseph Long > > > Katherine E. daughter of Lois and Emma Moser > > > Fred V. Kaee > > > Schritt > > > Herman Frederick Strucken > > > Thomas, Charles L. and Olive > > > Effie L. Thomas > > > Josephine, wife of L.D.Robinson > > > Little stone with no writing, about 8" X 12" by 2" thick buried half > > in > > > the soil. > > > John Miltenberger > > > Agnes M. Rehberg > > > Strucken, Fred C. and Emma > > > Bolan, George and Malinda > > > John Piatt > > > Clarence May Piatt > > > Big metal caste monument written in German with what appears to be > > first > > > names, Dienon Eltern, Sgufzen Galten, Guter Bruder, Einzig Dir, > (Guter > > > may be a brother) > > > Kurth will small letters not read > > > Aunt Marie (next to Kurth) > > > Ursula (next to aunt Marie) > > > > > > Two stones flanking path, but relationship unknown > > > Theodore Steinhoff (cross path two feet away) Ernest Ludwig. > > > William Polland > > > Mother Louisa Shamburg > > > August Shamburg > > > > > > Last plot enclosed in cement curb with 8 family stones, most missing > > or > > > broken. > > > Behmke > > > Father Fred Behnke probably BOEMKE or BEHMKE very faint. > > > Julia Behnke quite clear, so name is BEHNKE > another > > > new one to me. > > > > > > There may be many more stone buried in the ivy, or thrown aside and > > > covered with ivy, but it seems clear the club will find and replace > > > them. > > > > > > I encourage all of you to transcribe that small cemetery near you > and > > > email it to me. We know about the big ones because they can't be > lost, > > > but the small ones can by bulldozed under and no one alive to mourn > > the > > > loss, or know the site. > > > > > > A teen ager walked through the park and I asked him about the > stones. > > He > > > said they were broken or removed when he moved there ten years ago, > > and > > > the cemetery now is better than it was, yet the new shovel holes > worry > > > me. > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ORWASHIN Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the USGenWeb Project site > > > http://www.usgenweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== ORWASHIN Mailing List ==== > > > Visit the Oregon GenWeb Project > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgenweb/ > > > > > > > > > ==== ORWASHIN Mailing List ==== > > This list is for everyone with a genealogy interest in Washington > County Oregon. Topical posts only. 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