Hi: Tonight, I found the following BLM Patens in Wasco Co., Oregon on this updated BLM Website for MOORE: Elvira, James W. , Orrin W., & Hiram E. This updated URL was posted on <MOORE-L@rootsweb.com>. Violet Moore Guy 02/04/2000 ANNOUNCEMENT http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ has been updated! Includes info for all the United States except original colonies (13 states!) A must see! ______________________________

Patt: >From your Website: http://hometown.aol.com/pdustan/myhomepage/heritage.html >>>FRAZIER, Reuben Joy b 23 Jan 1834 Randolph Co, IN, d 15 Aug 1915 Toppenish, Yakima Co, WA. His father was Stephen FRAZIER b 6 Sep 1811 Clinton Co, OH, d 31 Aut 1881 Canon City, Fremont Co, CO. Reuben's mother was Anna JOY b 14 Jul 1813 in Indiana, d 25 Mar 1882 Colorado. Reuben's siblings were Henry b 1836 IN and Gideon Beriah b 19 Oct 1840 IA. Stephen's father was Gideon FRAZIER, mother was Ann HOCKETT. These folks were Quaker also and took part in the Underground Railroad in Salem Township, Henry Co, IA.<<< There has recently been a discussion of Henry County, IA and a number Quaker families on Quaker-Roots List.. I believe that HOCHETT was one of these Quaker familes. It is my understanding that HOCHETT/HOGGATT is the same family name in different spellings. My ancestor is listed as John Hoggatt and as John Hochett.) If interested in Henry Co., IA, search the Archives, at <QUAKER-ROOTS@rootsweb.com>, or e-mail me personally for a contact to Quakers in Henry Co., IA. My ggg-grandmother is Miriam HOGGATT, d/o John & Ruth (Beals) Hoggatt, married James W. MENDENHALL, Guilford Co., NC -- she was a Quaker minister. Their granddaughter, Elvira Mendenhall m. Hiram C. Moore, 1842 Peru, IN; and as a widow she and 4 sons migrated from Harrison Co., IA to Wasco Co., Oregon, beginning in 1877 -- this is my Oregon Pioneer Family and I grew up on Elvira's land, which her grandson & my father, Orrin W. Moore (1877-1945), owned. Take Care :-) Violet Moore Guy <vguy@redrivernet.con? 01/27/2000 ======================================= or-roots wrote: > <he married Ida Elizabeth Coovert > I am looking for any stories, pictures to add to my book on the following > names > Versteeg-Stoutenburg, Versteeg-Galloway, Harris-Coovert, Harris-Peery > Odell, Holman, Barendreght> > > I finally had a chance to look up some info on Coovert. > > My Aunt Sonna was a student of a Mrs Coovert who taught grade school during > 1928-29 and probably longer in Seal Rock, Oregon. Her husband's name may > have been Hester or maybe that was her name, its hard to tell. Aunt > remembers he would always go to school early, carrying his axe and light the > stove . He sometimes had seizures of an epileptic nature and that was scary > to the kids but apparently was a very nice man. Sorry, but that is all the > information I have. You might check Lincoln County. > > Patt > pdustan@aol.com > Updated 12-26-99 > Searching: MARSHALL, MAYERS (MEYERS), BAILEY, BARROW, BLAINE, DITTENTHOLER, > ETHIER, FARRELL-BOYER, FRAZIER, GIRT, GRAHAM, HANSON, HEDGES, HOFFMAN, KILBY, > LAMPHERE, MCNABB, ROWAN, SHUTTLETON, TUTTLE, WAGNER, WOLF (WOLFE), YESENBURGER, > ZIMMERMAN > http://hometown.aol.com/pdustan/myhomepage/heritage.html

James Alexander HURST married Malinda May DAVIS 16 Nov 1850 and the couple headed for Oregon the following spring. He was 19 years old and she only 16, and their first child arrived less than two months after they reached Oregon soil. They first settled in Linn Co., presumably to be with other family there, but ventured eastward to Wasco Co in the late 1850s. Their final settlement was in the Tygh Ridge area, south of The Dalles. James & Malinda had 14 children, most of whom stayed in Wasco Co. That resulted in many collateral lines for our family in the next generations. Surnames closely related to our Hursts that are known to be in Oregon include: Cowsert, Patterson, Gray, Love, Bowles, Brown, Peck, Reynolds, Zumwalt and Dickens. My line descends from their daughter Susan, who married James Gray. I will give details about that line in the next post. There is much we still don't know about why our ancestors made some of the choices they did, such as settling first in Linn County but moving eastward again when they had proved up on their Linn Co Donation Land Claim. We have strong reason to believe other family migrated westward with them in 1851, but thus far have not found the families for sure. Families with whom they had close bonds in Missouri included the following, in addition to others who shared the Hurst amd Davis surnames. If anyone is related to families by these surnames in either Linn or Wasco Co's, we'd love to hear from you and are happy to share all info we have on the earlier generations plus our own line: Tripp, Scribner, West, Coulter, Todd, Whitlock, Estes, amd Farmer, to name a few. Clues, help, or hints all are appreciated! -- Cheri puny@mail.com --->>>^<<<--- Wasco Co., OR GenWeb site--> http://www.historysavers.com/orwasco/

Brothers Samuel COX and CorNEALius COX came to the Mitchell area of about 1898 from Tennessee via the railroad to Oregon. Samuel COX is listed in the 1900 Census of Wheeler County, OR, Bridge Creek Pct as being born April 1878, single, Tennessee, shepard. Samuel was born in Hawkins County, Tennessee to Elizabeth CHRISTIAN and Emanuel COX. Samuel married 07 Aug 1904 to Bessie SHERRY at the home of Allen GRANT and Mary Ellen HUGHES SHERRY GRANT at Antelope, Wasco County, Oregon. Bessie SHERRY was born on 03 March 1887 at Antelope, Wasco County, OR the third child of Mary Ellen HUGHES and Herbert SHERRY. In September of 1887 Herbert SHERRY was shot in a bar room brawl in Antelope by Jack Thompson. Jack Thompson had earlier killed Henry Harvey, the murderer of Roderick GRANT (brother of Allen GRANT). Samuel COX was a sheep herder and later a freight driver on the Shaniko-Antelope-Mitchell freight line. Bessie SHERRY was working as a waitress at the Antelope Hotel when she met Samuel COX. Herbert SHERRY is buried up on the hill in the OLD CEMETERY out of Antelope. There are twin daughters of Samuel and Bessie COX buried in the NEW Cemetery at Antelope. I visited these grave sites this past September. Does anyone have a picture that they could share of the Antelope Hotel? Does anyone have a history or stories they could share of the freight line between Shaniko, Antelope, and Mitchell, Oregon? Is there someone that I could contact about having a family reunion/work party at the two Antelope cemeteries? Audrey Cox Vogelpohl, daughter of Fred John Cox, son of Samuel Rufus and Bessie Sherry Cox

Teresa, I'm glad you accidently sent A SMILE FOR YOU it brighten up my day. I forwarded it to freinds. Shirlie --- Kapoonis59@aol.com wrote: > I just looked at an email I sent to some cyber > friends called A Smile For > You. I didn't mean to send this to the genealogy > list. Please accept my > apology. ; ) > > Teresa (Spokane,Wa.) > Kapoonis59@aol.com > ALFORD ~ ALDRICH ~ APPERSON ~ ASHTON ~ AUGUSTINE ~ > AUSTIN ~ BALSTONE ~ BROTON ~ BULL ~ BUTTER ~ > COGGESHALL ~ > CRONK ~ ENEAS ~ FRIES ~ GREENE ~ GURDON ~ HOFFER ~ > HUTCHINSON ~ JAMES ~ KURTZHALL ~ MEACHAM(W) ~ MCKAY > ~ > MON-MON-ICH ~ NAULTH ~ NEAH-NI-NAULTH ~ OLNEY ~ > STURGIE ~ > PUTNAM ~ REED ~ TANNER ~ WANGFORD ~ WHIPPLE ~ ZEBELL > > > ==== ORWASCO Mailing List ==== > Check out the all-new Wasco County GenWeb site at > http://www.historysavers.com/orwasco/ > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Hi folks, We've been gathering new members lately like I can't believe, so I thought maybe we ought to try re-introducing ourselves and doing a little Roll Call type of thing. The list is still small enough that a Roll Call won't be too burdensome, and I think it might help us all to see who is researching whom from which area. Wasco county is a pretty big county geographically, so it wouldn't hurt to give some general idea of where the location really is that you're referring to. Also, many of the towns that were there 100 years ago are no longer thriving towns, so some don't even show on the map. Now, I want you to know that I'm not exaggerating when I say the list has really grown. Just to give you an idea of how much it has grown, let me say that it has more than tripled in size in the past two months. Yup, that's right -- tripled! I'm so pleased that folks are finding the list now. I can honestly say that now the list has finally reached the size that will make it easier for us to help eachother -- which is what we're here for, right? And the site is growing, getting LOTS of traffic now, especially compared to what I had expected, and we're working feverishly to get more data online. I'm staring right now at a huge stack of goodies that I'm getting transcribed for the site. It's GREAT! If any of you have any photos of family members, homesteads in Wasco County, or even real general stuff (an old building that you don't know the exact location of, or ??), please consider letting me get it scanned & up on the web. I'm also working on some great photo pages for the site right now. I think you'll enjoy them. And please, if you have obituaries, stories or anything like that about your Wasco Co ancestors, let me know if you'd be willing to share them on the website. The more stuff we post, the more we help others and we also help our own causes in the process. Anybody out there ready to help with transcribing (typing) stuff for the site? Any volunteers out there to help with some tombston reading when the weather is warmer? Let me know! If not, that's okay too, but we sure could use your contributions to the data we're accumulating. If you could just dig out an old obituary or three from your files on Wasco Co ancestors, that would be fantastic! :-) I'll post my ancestor info for the Roll Call in my next email. This one is just "official business." Take care, all... -- Cheri puny@mail.com --->>>^<<<--- Wasco Co., OR GenWeb site--> http://www.historysavers.com/orwasco/

Hello rooters, I can't seem to find the email I thought I'de saved for someone looking for Calvin Buckner here in Spokane, Wa. I have the info you want from Greenwood Cemetery if you want it, please email me & I'll send it on. Sorry it took so long to do this lookup for you, been way too busy to do much in the way of helping. Teresa (Spokane,Wa.) Kapoonis59@aol.com ALFORD ~ ALDRICH ~ APPERSON ~ ASHTON ~ AUGUSTINE ~ AUSTIN ~ BALSTONE ~ BROTON ~ BULL ~ BUTTER ~ COGGESHALL ~ CRONK ~ ENEAS ~ FRIES ~ GREENE ~ GURDON ~ HOFFER ~ HUTCHINSON ~ JAMES ~ KURTZHALL ~ MEACHAM(W) ~ MCKAY ~ MON-MON-ICH ~ NAULTH ~ NEAH-NI-NAULTH ~ OLNEY ~ STURGIE ~ PUTNAM ~ REED ~ TANNER ~ WANGFORD ~ WHIPPLE ~ ZEBELL

I just looked at an email I sent to some cyber friends called A Smile For You. I didn't mean to send this to the genealogy list. Please accept my apology. ; ) Teresa (Spokane,Wa.) Kapoonis59@aol.com ALFORD ~ ALDRICH ~ APPERSON ~ ASHTON ~ AUGUSTINE ~ AUSTIN ~ BALSTONE ~ BROTON ~ BULL ~ BUTTER ~ COGGESHALL ~ CRONK ~ ENEAS ~ FRIES ~ GREENE ~ GURDON ~ HOFFER ~ HUTCHINSON ~ JAMES ~ KURTZHALL ~ MEACHAM(W) ~ MCKAY ~ MON-MON-ICH ~ NAULTH ~ NEAH-NI-NAULTH ~ OLNEY ~ STURGIE ~ PUTNAM ~ REED ~ TANNER ~ WANGFORD ~ WHIPPLE ~ ZEBELL

Smiling is infectious, you catch it like the flu, When someone smiled at me today, I started smiling too. I passed around the corner and someone saw my grin When he smiled I realized I'd passed it on to him . I thought about that smile then I realized its worth, A single smile, just like mine could travel round the earth. So, if you feel a smile begin, don't leave it undetected Let's start an epidemic quick, and get the world infected! Keep the smile going by sending this on to a friend. Everyone needs a smile!!! Teresa (Spokane,Wa.) Kapoonis59@aol.com ALFORD ~ ALDRICH ~ APPERSON ~ ASHTON ~ AUGUSTINE ~ AUSTIN ~ BALSTONE ~ BROTON ~ BULL ~ BUTTER ~ COGGESHALL ~ CRONK ~ ENEAS ~ FRIES ~ GREENE ~ GURDON ~ HOFFER ~ HUTCHINSON ~ JAMES ~ KURTZHALL ~ MEACHAM(W) ~ MCKAY ~ MON-MON-ICH ~ NAULTH ~ NEAH-NI-NAULTH ~ OLNEY ~ STURGIE ~ PUTNAM ~ REED ~ TANNER ~ WANGFORD ~ WHIPPLE ~ ZEBELL

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F54953A5120E48DBB7379BD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brenda: Here is the the address of the ORWASCO List; ORWASCO-L@rootsweb.com One subscribes in the same way as to any other rootsweb list. Maybe someone that knows Maupin Cemitiries will respond. Violet --------------F54953A5120E48DBB7379BD8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from [159.121.172.66] by lhc-svr-02.redrivernet.com (NTMail 4.30.0013/NU7672.00.89d427d6) with ESMTP id xpjjlaaa for <vguy@redrivernet.com>; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:17:54 -0700 Received: from archive14.sos.state.or.us([159.121.115.14]) (2813 bytes) by sos.sos.state.or.us via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: <or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us>) id <m12C7u8-001Id7a@sos.sos.state.or.us> for <vguy@redrivernet.com>; Sat, 22 Jan 2000 13:17:08 -0800 (PST) (Smail-3.2.0.105 1999-Mar-3 #1 built 1999-Mar-12) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 14:16:59 -0700 Message-Id: <388A1E4A.C3169CA0@redrivernet.com> From: "or-roots" <or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us> Sender: Violet Guy <vguy@redrivernet.com> Subject: Re: Maupin Cemeteries To: or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us, "OREGON-L@rootsweb.com" <OREGON-L@rootsweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: Bulk X-Listserver: ListSTAR v1.1 by StarNine Technologies, a Quarterdeck Company Reply-To: or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us Errors-To: or-roots@archive14.sos.state.or.us Glenda: http://www.historysavers.com/orwasco/ New Wasco County page with ORGenWeb 1) http://www.historysavers.com/orwasco/cemeteries.html And if you don't find the cemetery, which you are looking for, then go to the bottom of the page and e-mail the Cordiator for this Wasco County Page. I see ones out from Maupin area, but nothing just labeled Maupin.. Violet Moore Guy formerly of Nansene on Tygh Ridge 01-22/2000 ============================================ or-roots wrote: > Does anyone out there have a list of Maupin Oregon Cemeteries? Or Wasco > county cemeteries? Thank you Glenda rgwalch@canby.com --------------F54953A5120E48DBB7379BD8--

Hi, I hope someone can help me. I need any information on how I can contact Zelma Strickler, if still living, or her relatives.She was married to John William(JACK) Strickler and they lived in the Dalles area in the mid-fifties.He worked on the damm. Jack(my grandfather) was killed in a cattle-truck/auto accident on 8/7/1956, 1 year before I was born. In the newspaper reports is written "surviving him are his widow,Zelma, the Dalles; son, Otis; daughter, Mrs. Alice Muller, of Rowena.". Otis was probally a step-son and may or may-not have had Strickler as his last name. If you have ANY information on them or remember this accident( a cattle truck carrying 45 cattle crushed a auto at the Dalles bridge killing 2 people) please contact me. Thank you. Shirlie Strickler Jones BGBRCATS@YAHOO.COM Big Bear Lake, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Hello all, I've recently been uploading quite a bit of new stuff to the Wasco Co. site, and there is more to come. Most recently (yesterday) I reformatted and made some corrections to some of the cemetery listings that were at the old Wasco Co. GenWeb site, and uploaded them to our new site. I also moved all the old surname listings to the new site and posted the queries that have been submitted so far at the new site (the old GenWeb page didn't host its own query page -- only a surname listing). I'm currently preparing some new cemetery listings to add to the old ones, and have some great photos that will soon be uploaded as well, so be sure to keep checking back on a regular basis. For those of you who don't yet know it, our "little" site is now the official Oregon GenWeb site for Wasco County. I am the new County Coordinator, effective earlier this month. There is a query page and I will be posting a surname page that links with the queries. Please post your queries at the site, and tell fellow researchers about the site! We've had a surprising number of visitors to this site since its inception, and we're getting new list subscribers all the time. It appears that there is a great deal of interest in Wasco County, and there is definitely a lot of data available to us as well, so I plan to make good use of all that. I already have received a volunteer offer from one great gal who is going to help me get some stuff transcribed & ready for the web. There is plenty of work to go around if any of the rest of you want to volunteer for transcription, walking cemeteries to read the headstones, cleaning up the cemeteries, gathering data that can be transcribed by someone else, or whatever. If you have materials about Wasco County within your own family history files, I would love to have copies of it to share on the website. You will, of course, be credited with the contributions. Even if you can't afford the time to transcribe or whatever, please contribute what you have. I'll see that it gets transcribed & formatted for the web. I hope you'll all enjoy the site as it continues to grow. I'm having a great time getting it built...except for the dad-gum search box, which I still can't get to index the site properly. :-) -- Cheri puny@mail.com --->>>^<<<--- Wasco Co., OR GenWeb site--> http://www.historysavers.com/orwasco/

ORWASCO List: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/blakely/ Captain James Blakely I have permission to post this to other lists, so the information that follows .below in the original post about this URL. Violet Moore Guy 01/19/2000 ================================ or-roots wrote: > I've started the page for Captain James Blakely and Brownsville, OR, > at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/blakely/ > > I must warn you that this site contains some large files and may take a > bit of time to load. The Ochoco article about James W. Blakely is > included even though this vigilante problem occured in Central Oregon. > > Cecil > > -- > Cecil Houk, ET1 USN Ret., AG6I > San Diego CA 92154-3654 > mailto:cchouk@home.com > ANDERSON-BLAKELY-EGGERS-FORD-HOUK-KIMSEY-MOE-RULAFORD-SIMPSON > Searchable GEDCOM: > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=cchouk > See also: > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=dghouk > My Nineveh Ford Web page: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/ford/

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CFB14442FB0D9F00B213D685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am forwarding some Oregon history of the 1880s from around Prineville, which at that time was a part of Wasco County. This post was found on or-roots. I found it interesting as my father would talk of early days. At the time of this incident, he was just a young child living at Nansene on Tygh Ridge, which is near Dufur. I grew up on the Moorel homesteads, but I no longer live in Oregon. Violet Moore Guy <vguy@redrivernet.com> 01/19/2000 --------------CFB14442FB0D9F00B213D685 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from [204.212.38.30] by lhc-svr-02.redrivernet.com (NTMail 4.30.0013/NU7672.00.89d427d6) with ESMTP id aorelaaa for <vguy@redrivernet.com>; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:15:28 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10998; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:12:23 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:12:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <010d01bf6219$54f4d860$0f1de2d8@evelyngr> From: "Evelyn Grimes" <agrimes@fullnet.net> Old-To: "Grimes List" <GRIMES-L@rootsweb.com>, "GREEN-L" <GREEN-L@rootsweb.com>, "Gillam List" <GILLAM-L@rootsweb.com>, "Gentry County Missouri" <MOGENTRY-L@rootsweb.com>, "Dekalb County Missouri" <MODEKALB-L@rootsweb.com>, "Cooper County Missouri" <MOCOOPER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 19:05:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [GREEN-L] Web Site Updated Resent-Message-ID: <3-Pw.A.IrC.29Qh4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: GREEN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: GREEN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GREEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/6621 X-Loop: GREEN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GREEN-L-request@rootsweb.com I have just updated my web site. Please stop by for a visit. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Creek/1199 Thanks Evelyn Harris Grimes agrimes@fullnet.net --------------CFB14442FB0D9F00B213D685--

In a message dated 01/19/2000 9:54:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, vguy@redrivernet.com writes: << ORWASCO List: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cchouk/blakely/ Captain James Blakely I have permission to post this to other lists, so the information that follows .below in the original post about this URL. Violet Moore Guy 01/19/2000 >> Really worth checking out! Good job Cecil! Teresa (Spokane, Wa.) Kapoonis59@aol.com ALDRICH ~ APPERSON ~ ASHTON ~ COGGESHALL ~ ENEAS ~ FRIES ~ JAMES ~ HALLICOLA ~ HOFFER ~ MCKAY ~ LEIS ~ LOCHMAN ~ MEACHAM (W) ~ NAULT(H) ~ OLNEY ~ SMALL ~ TANNER ~ WHIPPLE ~ WILLIAMS

Hello listers, I want to take this time to apologize to all of you for sending the controversial, non-genealoy email to the list sites. You have all been very kind to me, & I appreciate that sincerely. I will keep my posts to genealogy. Again, I sincerely apologize to all of you for filling your email boxes with political, non-genealogy letter. Teresa (Spokane, Wa.) Kapoonis59@aol.com ALDRICH ~ APPERSON ~ ASHTON ~ COGGESHALL ~ ENEAS ~ FRIES ~ JAMES ~ HALLICOLA ~ HOFFER ~ MCKAY ~ LEIS ~ LOCHMAN ~ MEACHAM (W) ~ NAULT(H) ~ OLNEY ~ SMALL ~ TANNER ~ WHIPPLE ~ WILLIAMS

> WOW, this is really worth reading. This citizen went through the wringer. > If you personally know any civics teachers, political science professors, > economics professors or environmental studies professors they ought to be > given this article and asked to have their students read and discuss this > document. (Academic freedom!) Every high school and college student > should read it to get insight on the reason freedom and property rights are > so tightly linked and so they can counter the barrage of fake-environmental > propaganda that they are fed. Every county commissioner and elected > official should read this article, too. Let's distribute it. > ---------- > > Subject: PROPERTY: revealing story of a rancher and the national debt: > > Date: Sunday, January 09, 2000 10:47 AM > > WOW, What a story! > > > > Source: Asheville Tribune > > http://www.ashevilletribune.com > > > > The revealing story of a rancher and the national debt: > > http://www.ashevilletribune.com/hage1.htm > > > > Wayne Hage is the new husband of Rep. Helen Chenoweth from Idaho. > > > > The revealing story of a rancher and the national debt > > Special Report By David Morgan, The Asheville Tribune > > > > CASE HISTORY: HAGE V. UNITED STATES > > > > After years of successfully ranching in California, Wayne & Jean Hage > (she is now deceased) purchased a large cattle ranch in Nevada, Pine Creek > Ranch, in the spring of 1978. The acreage involved is approximately 752,000 > acres. However, as it is mostly desert land, the land's ability to support > cattle is far less than might be supposed from its size. > > > > Located in the high desert mountains of central Nevada, the remote > operation seemed an unlikely place for a war that would rock the very > foundation of federal land management agencies. Wayne purchased the > operation from the well-respected Arcularius Brothers who sold the ranch > because the regulatory pressure by the U.S. Forest Service had become > unbearable. Since Wayne had always been able to work with the agency, he > believed he could resolve problems that might occur. Wayne soon learned the > only way he could satisfy the Forest Service was to allow them to > confiscate his property. > > > > One of the first incidents that drew the line between Wayne and the > Forest Service revolved around a critical spring that Wayne owned. Situated > close to the Forest Service Ranger Station in Meadow Canyon, the district > ranger decided they would pipe the water from the spring, through a newly > installed $50,000 water purification facility, into their cabin. > > > > During a Congressional hearing, regarding Federal land acquisitions that > had been done without State or Congressional consultation, Rep. John > Shadegg asked Secretary of the Interior Bruce Babbitt to provide Congress > with a list of other lands that were being considered for further federal > acquisition, Babbitt sternly responded, "No." After a stunned silence, the > secretary added, "I don't mean to be disrespectful." However, Babbitt told > the Committee that if they did not cooperate, he would ask the President to > "use his power" to get more lands with or without their approval. > > > > Wayne learned of this after the project was complete, and rightfully > objected. He explained that if they needed his water, they could make > appropriate arrangements. They refused to cooperate and would not > acknowledge that he owned the water even though he held two court decrees > affirming his water right. Wayne even held a field hearing where the state > water engineer acknowledged Wayne's ownership and the Forest Service's > illegal confiscation. But, still today, the Forest Service has maintained a > fence around the spring so that cattle and wildlife cannot drink, and the > water is still being piped into the ranger's cabin. > > > > Retaliation > > > > Because Wayne questioned the Forest Service's actions, the Forest Service > began an unbelievable retaliation campaign. In a 105-day period they sent > Wayne 40 certified letters and personally visited him 70 times, each time > citing him in violation of a bureaucratic regulation. Wayne had to respond > in writing and take corrective action to each one of their allegations, no > matter how trivial. In fact, most, if not all, were wild goose chases or > violations the Forest Service themselves had created. > > > > Some of these charges stated Wayne was not maintaining his drift fences. > In order to comply with their rules, Wayne would check and mend if > necessary the fences in question. One of these incidents involved sending a > horse and rider to the top of Table Mountain to ride the 20-mile fence > line. After doing this, the rider found only one problem. There was one > staple missing. The Forest Service had dutifully marked it with a blue > flag. > > > > Also, among these charges were 45 accounts of trespass where Wayne's > cattle were allegedly found in the wrong location. For every one of these, > Wayne would send a crew of riders to locate the cattle and attempt to > comply with the regulations. Often, there were no cattle to be found, > leaving Wayne to wonder if there ever were. Also, on several occasions > there were eyewitnesses who watched the Forest Service employees move > Wayne's cattle into trespass areas, and then immediately cite him for the > violation. > > > > Over the next eight years he filed three administrative appeals, and won > all three. They cost him over $150,000 in attorney and consultant fees, not > to mention the countless hours, personal resources, and lost income also > expended. Twice, his pickup was shot at while he was close by, a not so > subtle warning. His wife and children were run off the road personally by > the District Ranger. > > > > Even though he won every case, the agency would create new regulations > that would wear Wayne down, force him to expend his time and resources > fighting their new regulations, and eventually run him completely out of > business. The final straw came when the Forest Service confiscated at > gunpoint over 100 head of his cattle. Armed with semi-automatic weapons and > bulletproof vests, 30 Forest Service riders confiscated his cattle in July > of 1991. > > > > "We got the land and the mineral rights away from the Indians, and we > said, oh, we'll make a deal, we'll have a nation-to-nation relationship > with you, and we will provide for the education and health care and housing > of your people;" > > - President Bill Clinton, July 12, 1999, Remarks to the National Academy > Foundation Conference in Anaheim, California. > > > > Although they had no legal justification for their actions, they took the > cattle, handed Wayne a bill for their cost of gathering the cattle, > transported the cattle to a sale yard which refused to auction the stolen > cattle, and eventually the Forest Service held their own private sale and > kept the proceeds. > > > > The confiscation did not go quite as planned, however. They needed to > infuriate Wayne to the point that he would also come armed and give them > the excuse to eliminate Wayne altogether. Wayne came armed, but with a 35 > millimeter camera. Just more evidence for the case he knew he would have to > file. > > > > September 26, 1991, after being forced to sell every cow he owned in > order to comply with federal regulations, Wayne filed a landmark takings > case, Hage v. United States, for the regulatory and physical taking of his > ranch. > > > > Criminal Desperation > > > > A year later, the same agency filed two felony charges against Wayne for > clearing scrub brush from his legally owned right-of-way. Although the > Forest Service knew he was not in violation and admitted this on the record > later, they also knew filing criminal charges against him might force Wayne > to drop his takings suit. After loosing the case at jury trial, Wayne > prevailed before the Ninth Circuit, overturning the felony charges against > him. > > > > (See a complete timeline by clicking here.) > > http://www.ashevilletribune.com/timeline.htm > > > > What's It All Really About? > > > > In a recent radio interview on WTZY (880AM) in Asheville, NC, Hage spoke > about the true nature of the case. What he said was that basically all of > this has to do with our national debt. > > > > Excerpts from WTZY interview: > > > > "During the Civil War we accumulated $2.8 billion worth of debt which the > North owed mainly to the House of Erlinger in London and the House of > Rothchild in Paris, who had financed both sides in the War. We couldn't pay > the debt, so for the first time in our nation's history they decided to > collateralize that debt with the mineral estate of the Western lands and > Alaska. During the late 1800's we were able to internalize that debt to > where we owed it to ourselves. > > > > In the 1960's the general teaching of Economics 101 was that we shouldn't > worry too much about our national debt as we owed it to ourselves, and > hence it wouldn't have to be paid off. Besides all that gold, silver, gas, > oil and other mineral rights out west more than adequately collateralize > it. > > > > "... This exchange of land, mineral rights, commercial properties, and > natural treasures between the Untied States and the State of Utah is the > largest such land exchange in the history of the lower 48 States. The > exchange will help capitalize a long-neglected State school trust by > putting it on solid footing and allowing it to pay rewards to the children > of Utah fro generations to come. The Untied States will obtain valuable > land, thus allowing it to consolidate resources within the Grand > Staircase-Escalante National Monument, the Goshute and Navajo Indian > Reservations, and the national parks and forests in Utah. I especially wish > to thank Secretary of the Interior Bruce Babbitt and Kathleen McGinty, > outgoing Chair of the Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ), for their > contribution to this major achievement." > > - President Bill Clinton, October 31, 1998 speaking about H.R. 3830, the > "Utah Schools and Land Exchange Act of 1998. > > > > But during the initiation of the Great Society and the Vietnam War we > began once again to borrow from overseas, as we didn't want to tax > ourselves enough to pay for what was needed. We began to "externalize" our > debt, a fatal mistake. Well, when we began to externalize our debt heavily, > Charles deGaulle of France said, "I don't think you fellows can redeem your > dollar debt with gold." We said, "Oh, yes we can!" So he said that he would > rather have gold and began to raid our Treasury. When Nixon became > President, he was faced with this mess and had to close the gold window; we > were running out of gold. We, in effect, were running out of collateral. > > > > What Nixon did next, and what stunned a lot of folks, was to set up the > Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and we began to pass massive > environmental laws. And for what real purpose? All of them have had one > effect collectively, whether at the Federal, state or local level. The one > thing they all do is that they effect the transfer of private property out > of the hands of private individuals and place that property into the hands > of government. Now what is that all about? > > > > Well, when we ran out of gold and, in order to keep the foreign interests > from cashing in their bonds and notes and imploding and destroying the US > economy, we had to show them that the resources of the US adequately > collateralized their debt. In order for it to be properly colleralized, we > had to show them that US citizens and US interests would not be developing, > drilling and mining those resources. The effect of this was to > disenfranchise American citizens of access to their resources for the > purpose of making their resources available to the international financial > interests that hold the debt of the US. Indeed, at the present time, about > 40% of all our debt is held by and owed to foreign interests. > > > > Look at the mines. Where I live, in Nevada, we have major mines all > around us. At one time they were all owned by US citizens. But now the only > mines here that operate are those held by those countries that own the debt > of the U.S. If you or I discovered a major gold deposit, neither our kids > nor we would ever live long enough to mine one shovelfull of it. All the > rules, regulations, and laws would drive us under. We would have to sell > out for nothing to the government or to a foreign entity, who would find > their ability to mine it would be rather easy. (Editor's note: The recent > seizure by President Clinton of over $1 trillion dollars worth of high > grade coal in Utah to establish a "park" was settled by the US government > paying the owners merely $14 million dollars for research and development > costs of the coal. See story on Page 28 of The Asheville Tribune, print > edition.) > > > > Another little known but important fact that should be remembered is that > treasury bills and debts held by foreign interests are secured while those > held by US citizens are not. > > > > Little by little, our entire form of government is being reversed. A > fundamental tenant of economics is that all wealth comes from the land; > every bit of wealth originates in the land. The cornerstone of a truly free > society is the ownership of private property by the people. In such a > society the people own the means of production. In a totalitarian society, > the opposite takes place. There, the government owns the land, the wealth, > and the means of production. They, in effect, rent the land to the people. > > > > > "As President, I have worked very hard to honor tribal sovereignty and to > strengthen our governement-to-government relationships. Long ago, many of > your ancestors gave up land, water, and mineral rights in exchange for > peace, security, health care, education from the Federal Government. It is > a solemn pact." > > - President Clinton, Remarks to the Conference on Building Economic > Self-Determination in Indian Communities, August 6, 1998. > > > > And what this means is that in a free society where the people own the > land, the government has to come to the people for its operating budget - > for tax dollars in order to operate. The government has to listen to what > the people have to say. That is the essence of a free society. > > > > In a totalitarian society where the government owns the resources, they > don't have to go to the people for funds to operate. > > > > Our government today owns over 40% of the resource base of the U.S. > (Shaded areas of map above.) The corporate U.S. government has come to have > its own assets and is having to listen less and less to its citizens. And > it is attempting to get more and more property under the guise of > environmentalism. If you really want to find out who is really behind all > this, follow the money of who is behind and invests heavily in the > environmental entities. It is big money, and comes from powerful interest > groups from all around the world. A couple of excellent books I would > advise you to read are Trashing the Economy and Undue Influence by Ron > Arnold if you really want to find out who the real powers are. They can > both be obtained from Stewards of the Range in Idaho; their phone number is > 208-336-5922. > > > > Now, as I have said, that if laws protecting private property can be > weakened, the value of the property declines. As government regulations > increase, the productive capacity of private property decreases and the > value of the property itself is reduced. Government ownership of and > regulation of the lands and resources of a nation have never in history > provided for a free society, nor for a productive one. (Editor's note: Even > today in Russia, after the recent "democratic" revolution, the government > owns all of the land. The Russian citizens cannot own land in Russia.) > Taking productive resources and lands away from citizens under the guise of > "protecting" the environment is simply a method by which the government > steals power for itself. > > > > "Finally, the bill includes an unjustified transfer of millions of > dollars of mineral rights to the State of Montana. I intend to use my line > item veto authority to cancel the dollar drain on the (U.S.) Treasury that > would result from this unwarranted action." - President Clinton, November > 14, 1997, Statement on singing the Department of the Interior and Related > Agencies Appropriations Act of 1998. > > > > Karl Marx considered the elimination of private property key to the > establishment of a socialist government. There was good reason behind this > premise. If people had no value left in their property that value must be > in the hands of government. The terms property rights and property control > are synonymous. Property rights are the ability of the individual to > exercise control over his property. It is only through the right to control > the use of property that the individual can make the property produce value > or wealth. If regulation or law transfers control over one's property to > the government, then the ability of the property to produce wealth is also > transferred to the government. Marx was right. The elimination of private > property is essential if socialism or communism is to supplant a free > society." > > > > Submit your comments by Emailing feedback@ashevilletribune.com. > > > > [END] > > > > ----------- > > ***NOT FOR PROFIT*** Posted for Research and Discussion Purposes Only. Teresa (Spokane, Wa.) Kapoonis59@aol.com ALDRICH ~ APPERSON ~ ASHTON ~ COGGESHALL ~ ENEAS ~ FRIES ~ JAMES ~ HALLICOLA ~ HOFFER ~ MCKAY ~ LEIS ~ LOCHMAN ~ MEACHAM (W) ~ NAULT(H) ~ OLNEY ~ SMALL ~ TANNER ~ WHIPPLE ~ WILLIAMS

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Hey, out there! A couple of situations have arisen that I thought it might be good to cover (briefly, I promise) in a post to the list. Please read on... First, if any of you may have attempted to email me in the past couple of weeks and received a bounce from my server, I apologize profusely. I really was here, but my server's brain was impaired. This was just your standard, run-of-the-mill server problem & nothing more, but for some reason it took several days for it to become apparent. Thus it took several days before it was fixed. As near as we can tell at this time, everything is back in working order. Again, I apologize if you received a bounce notice. Rest assured, I will never just disappear. If it seems that I do, it is merely an email glitch. Next issue is our new website. If you have taken the time during this busy holiday season to have a quick visit, thank you. You may have noticed that my original projections for getting things posted were, shall we say, a bit hasty. A couple of things have taken place on the home front here that have made it difficult to find time for transcribing and uploading data. My daughter's surgery was much more extensive than we had originally thought, and the associated doctor visits etc have taken quite a chunk out of my time, but I'm making headway again. Ta Dahhh.... We now have a full-fledged site up & running. I've found a few buggy places that I need to tweak & will be fixing those as soon as I can, but most things are working. Please do go give it a look in the next few days and let me know what other ideas you might have. I have some other "Stuff" to post to the site as I get a chance to format it, so don't despair if you don't find what you want just yet. Once the initial site setup has been taken care of, I will start posting a notice to the list whenever we add new goodies to the site. I can say this much: I know that some of the surnames the listmembers are searching already have data posted at the site. So go give it a look! There is a Search utility on the main page which will allow you to search the entire site, and there will soon be a master archive listing on-site as well. I think (at least I *hope*) that when you see what types of things I have uploaded to the site, you will realize how many things you have in your own files that would be worth posting there for the benefit of others. I have some larger-scale projects in the works that will take a while to complete before posting, but most of what is there is either my own compilation of the many documents I've learned from along the way, or it is simply a transcription of a document from my own files (biographies, obits, etc.). There are probably several things in your own files in this last category that would be terrific to be able to post at our site. It would involve little effort on your part -- I can even transcribe them if you don't feel you have the time -- and it would help our site tremendously. I hope you'll consider contributing to our archives. The more information we have at our site, the more people it will attract. The more people we attract to the site, the more people will join this list. As our numbers on this list grow, so will our knowledge of our ancestors. Oh, and don't forget to check out the "links" page at the site. Here's the URL, in case you didn't get it bookmarked when I posted it previously: http://www.historysavers.com/orwasco/ Thanks for reading, and happy holidays to all of you... -- Cheri puny@mail.com --->>>^<<<--- Freebies for Gen. Addicts---> http://www.historysavers.com/

Daniel P. WILLIAMS, b;Abt.1850, wed Abby OLNEY, b:Sept.15,1852, had Alene Oct.1883, all of RI. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elijah Martin WILLIAMS, b:Abt.1860, wed Lillie J. WELLER, b:July20,1864 in Delvan, Tazewell, IL, & had Ethel Abt.1886 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Elizabeth WILLIAMS, b:Abt1815, wed Amos A. OLNEY in 1828, b:1808 in Conn., or RI., he died Dec.12,1856, & had: Henry S.OLNEY, Jan.27,1831, & Frances E. (f), b:Sept.03,1838 *Henry OLNEY wed Hattie HENDRICK, b:Abt.1835, & had four: Sarah A., March22,1855, Lillie S., April 10,1856, Hendrick A., May23,1857, & Israel B., Dec.23,1858. *Frances OLNEY wed Albert H. OLNEY, b:June16,1839, & had two: Elizabeth W., April 28,1868, & Louis A., April 21, 1875. (cousins again?) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Ernest WILLIAMS wed Gladys SPROAT. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- George WILLIAMS, b:Abt.1840, wed Amelia L. HASKELL, b:July22,1842. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Harry WILLAIMS, b: ?? wed Charlotte A. Moore in 1878, b:May16,1852. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Janice WILLIAMS, wed Lawrence Gerald WOODRUFF & had four so far: *Lawrence Gerald Jr., *Gary, *Wayne, & *John. *Lawrence Jr. wed Marti E. LEAWELL. *Gary wed Jacqueline POMIVILLE & had Brandi Lynn (f). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Laura WILLIAMS wed Steven Rex COCHRAN. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----Lillie WILLIAMS, b:1886, wed Upton 'Up' CUPPET,(say that three times real fast). b:July30,1866, he died Dec.10,1955. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Martha WILLAIMS, b:Abt.1770, wed Moses OLNEY, b:1768, he died Nov.1817, & had three sons: *Stephen 1799, to June19,1819, *Albert 1807 to 1871, & *Amos 1807 to Aug.24,1886,(twins). Amos wed Mary J. Alexander on Sept.26,1871, she was b:Abt.1810. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Roger WILLIAMS b:?? had Mary Abt.1677. the same Roger WILLIAMS that had Joseph Dec.12, 1643. sorry about that!!! Mary WILLIAMS, b:Abt.1677 in North Providence, RI., wed Epenetus OLNEY II, in RI., he was born July 18,1675, & died Sept.17,1740, they had nine: *James Abt.1701, *Charles Abt.1703, * Freeborn March 13, 1709, *Martha Abt.1710, *Joseph 1710, (possible twins again),*Anthony Abt.1712, *Mary Abt.1714, *Amey Abt.1716, & Anna Abt.1718. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Richard WILLIAMS, b:Abt.1930, wed Jacqueline Lois BOWEN, b:Nov.08,1934, & had three: *Cynthia, Nov.30,1955, *Scott, Nov.21,1957, & *Patricia, Dec.01,1960. *Cynthia wed Randy JONES, b:Abt.1950, & had three: Alicia, 1977, Christine, 1980, & Jennifer, 1983. *Scott wed ??, & had two: Mickey, 1983 & Angela, 1985. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Peleg WILLIAMS, b:Abt.1740 wed twice: Rhoda Winsor, b:May 13, 1747, then to Abigail OLNEY, on Feb.09,1800, b:1783, she died:Nov.11, 1827. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Robert WILLIAMS wed Lois BIEBER, & had two so far: *Diane & *Donna. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Zebedee WILLIAMS, b:Abt.1723, wed Martha OLNEY, b:Abt.1725 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Teresa (Spokane, Wa.) Kapoonis59@aol.com ALDRICH ~ APPERSON ~ ASHTON ~ COGGESHALL ~ ENEAS ~ FRIES ~ JAMES ~ HALLICOLA ~ HOFFER ~ MCKAY ~ NAULT(H) ~ OLNEY ~ SMALL ~ TANNER ~ WHIPPLE ~ WILLIAMS