I want to thank those who helped me gather information on the family of Waters CARMAN. He was born in 1811 (in NY or CT), moved to Illinois in 1822, to California in 1849 and to Oregon in 1852. To help those who have information on only one of his marriages, I will list below both wives and all of his children. Waters' parents were Jacob Carman, Jr. and Mahala Golden, both born about 1785. His paternal grandparents were Jacob Carman, Sr. (born November 13, 1747 in Oyster Bay, NY) and Rachel Weeks. Waters Carman was a millwright and worked as an overseer at the mills of the Durham family at Oswego, Oregon. At their home he met his second wife; she was a recent widow. After their marriage in 1852, Waters and Lucretia applied for and received a 320 acre Donation Land Claim in 1853 near Lake Oswego, Oregon. Descendants of Waters Carman 1 Waters Carman b: 1811 in NY or CT d: September 29, 1878 in Lake Grove, Clackamas Co., OR +Lavania Buckman b: December 22, 1819 in Potsdam, NY m: 1835 in Sangamon Co., IL d: August 20, 1846 in IL Father: Joel Buckman Mother: Huldah Tilley 2 Charles Broadwell Carman b: 1837 d: August 15, 1865 2 Joel Buckman Carman b: 1839 d: 1912 2 Jacob W. Carman b: 1842 d: 1919 +Ada F. McNeal m: December 23, 1866 2 Rachel Lavania Carman b: 1844 d: 1894 +Briggs *2nd Wife of Waters Carman: +Lucretia Allyn b: 1824 m: September 12, 1852 in Oswego, Clackamas Co., OR d: September 1902 2 George Carman b: 1854 in OR d: Abt. 1862 in OR 2 Mary Lucretia Carman b: June 24, 1856 in Oswego, OR d: 1921 +Richard Benjamin Wilmot b: 1838 Father: Robert Perry Wilmot 2 Henrietta (Etta) Carman b: 1859 +Daniel Magone Father: Joseph Magone, Major 2 Helen Adelia (Della) Carman b: Abt. 1862 +Fred Rathbun If anyone has additional information on this family, I would be happy to correspond. Sue in Virginia