thank you so much Julie. yes, this is my Bandy and his mother. I sure appreciate this and will order it on loan as you suggested. It was as I suspected, I am saddened to say, but it is good to clear up the mystery. Also, thank you list, for all of you who emailed me.. gloria ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.