No it wasn't...I goofed.....a family member is divorcing .....bad situation....sorry....did not intend to do that.....I put the messages she sent in a draft file to retrieve later....then went back to inbox....forgetting that I had.....(senility setting in I guess)....and did a reply to author...with my message...unfortunately...(for me)....it went to the wrong source....Boy is my face red....fortunately for my sister...she still remains unanimous ....and I didn't notice this until the note had gone out......but really.....it happens....I do hope that people will just not make judgements about this...and know it was mistakenly sent..... R.C. -----Original Message----- From: Doreen Hoy <hoy@mpx.com.au> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >woops!! > >Was that letter intended for mass distribution? > >NAME INTERESTS: INGRAM, ABEL, CRIAIGIE (ORKNEY) OMAN (ORKNEY), SHERRIFFS > >Cheerio! >Doe >(Doreen Hoy) >Dodgecity Management Pty Ltd >t/as Hoy Music Management >for MACH 1 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Callaway <big1bertha@excelonline.com> >To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Wednesday, 20 October 1999 3:03 >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair > > >>Hi Ruth.....got the cute cup of coffee......I had a bad feeling when I met >>you guys in Mesa that time....I just couldn't believe that he could say >>that.....and that you would put up with it...but then I figured you didn't >>get what Van Buren St. was....see ...right off the bat he said that to >>me....what is his problem anyway.....Did his mother make him repressed and >a >>mannerly boy to the point of this.....or was he a spoiled little boy who >>always wanted his own way....so to do that....he had to make the other one >>the bad guy to justify his tantrums....that is what they are.... >> >>I know one thing .....it is all about CONTROL....basically.....men who >>batter and abuse women are really cowards.....they can't fight a >>man....because they would probably get the crap beat out of them....so they >>go to someone they can batter who is smaller than they are.....He probably >>felt insignifigant because he didn't get your undivided attention. And >alot >>of guys are less concerned with the actual feelings of the woman...and more >>concerned with their own feelings......and how they appear to the >>world....Generally men like that....will spend money on things they >>enjoy.....the number one person in that kind of guy's life is him. What >did >>Matt do all of these times...? I am glad that he is old enough to manage >at >>this point with out you being there.....but he can always go see his own >>mother....you don't have to feel responsible for him...you tried....You >>should never have to take that disrespect from any man....and Matt needs to >>see that it is not behavior to continue....and women eventually leave when >>they are treated so badly...... >> >>Better for you to get out....He has already broken his marriage vows >because >>of the fact that he does not honor you and doing that in the presence of >his >>son....is terrible....He will have himself....and himself only....to live >>with.....He needs to get some counseling....the problem too...is that he >>thinks it is all o.k. He needs to finally admit to himself that this is >not >>normal. Like I said before....he can't expect any woman to stay with >>him....if he trys to make an example of this behavior in front on >>Matt.....Or Matt will think this is o.k.. and he will continue the >>behavior......If you did stay....then it makes this seem o.k. for him to >>do....and he would have done it again....... >> >>I think it must have really been hard for the woman who had his >>children....she probably felt trapped.... >> >>I will never judge you.....I know Mike has a nice house....he has a nice >>car....he wears nice clothes.....everything "seems" nice about >him....except >>for the fact that.....all of those surface things just cover up the fact >>that he isn't really "nice" at all.....He just wants the world out there to >>only see what he perceives...as "a really nice guy".....But the funny thing >>is.....I would be willing to bet that alot of people really do see through >>all of that facade......I doubt if he has that many people >>fooled......Yes...he has good points....and he is charming....and a good >>conversationalist....but....none of that is worth putting up with the other >>crap.....Now you can be the Ruth you always were....that he ...and Roger >>tried to put down......I will stand by you....because you are my friend, >and >>my sister....and I love you. I don't love Roger, and I don't love >>Mike......I do ....however, still care about your first ....Rob....he was >>always the good one.....and he will probably always...care.... >> >>I am glad to hear that you have no intentions of any signifigant >>other.....you don't need that......It is too bad that you were with weak >men >>who thought that abusing a woman makes them strong.....I does just the >>opposite....Any man who does that to a woman is a poor excuse for a man. I >>think I will send back the picture of you and Mike..if you want......and >you >>can cut him out of the picture...ha. >> >>I guess...that I knew you wouldn't have listened to me back then before you >>got married....and you and I didn't see eye to eye on alot of things >>then.....so that is why I kept my doubts about him to myself....you would >>have just gotten mad at me.....maybe I should have....but you would have >>gotten mad...told him I didn't think he was a good choice....and it would >>have kept us divided more than we already were.....so I kept quiet....but I >>still didn't like it. And I had that gut feeling.....People will always >>give clues....you just have to see those red flags for what they >>are...."warning signals".......The charm kind of goes with that package >>too.....and when women get the I'm sorry....crap then they feel >>nutty.....all a form of the guy's manipulating and control..... >> >>Basically.....men who try to control a woman....feel inadaquate....and >since >>they can't always control most things.....they feel like they have to >>control women.....I think men like that are really intimadated by >>women....and really don't even like women. >> >>So....I am glad you are moving on.....Your children are grown....and you >did >>what you could for Matt...Mike's son....besides....he has a mother he can >go >>to anyway.....You tried to be a good step mom..... >> >>Surround yourself with spiritual people who try to live the right >>way....have compassion for others....and don't wrap themselves up in only >>their own things....and you will be fine....Mike is still trying to control >>you from a distance....and he will do the same thing to someone >>else....Unless....he admits this is a problem.....and he has to get >>counseling. >> >>Good Luck Ruth......Love, Martha >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tracy Hope <tracyh@earthling.net.nz> >>To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:19 AM >>Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >> >> >>>Excuse me while I delurk briefly, but I wanted to mention that my gggg >>>grandfather, a John FRISKEN, married a FLETT just before emigrating to New >>>Zealand. I'll find out the rest of the details if you like. >>> >>>--Tracy Hope >>> >>>> Wondering if anyone is researching the family of JAMES SINCLAIR married >>>> MARGARET FLETT 2-Jan-1817 in Firth & Stennes or their son DAVID SINCLAIR >>>> Married ELIZA PEARSON 2-Nov-1847 Kirkwall & St Olla. >>>> Rita Rodger in Wishaw,N.Lanarkshire >>> >>> >> >> > >------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680 >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; > name="Doe.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="Doe.vcf" > >BEGIN:VCARD >VERSION:2.1 >N:Hoy;Doreen >FN:Doe >EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:hoy@mpx.com.au >REV:19991019T231649Z >END:VCARD > >------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680-- >