This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit woops!! Was that letter intended for mass distribution? NAME INTERESTS: INGRAM, ABEL, CRIAIGIE (ORKNEY) OMAN (ORKNEY), SHERRIFFS Cheerio! Doe (Doreen Hoy) Dodgecity Management Pty Ltd t/as Hoy Music Management for MACH 1 -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Callaway <big1bertha@excelonline.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 20 October 1999 3:03 Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >Hi Ruth.....got the cute cup of coffee......I had a bad feeling when I met >you guys in Mesa that time....I just couldn't believe that he could say >that.....and that you would put up with it...but then I figured you didn't >get what Van Buren St. was....see ...right off the bat he said that to >me....what is his problem anyway.....Did his mother make him repressed and a >mannerly boy to the point of this.....or was he a spoiled little boy who >always wanted his own way....so to do that....he had to make the other one >the bad guy to justify his tantrums....that is what they are.... > >I know one thing .....it is all about CONTROL....basically.....men who >batter and abuse women are really cowards.....they can't fight a >man....because they would probably get the crap beat out of them....so they >go to someone they can batter who is smaller than they are.....He probably >felt insignifigant because he didn't get your undivided attention. And alot >of guys are less concerned with the actual feelings of the woman...and more >concerned with their own feelings......and how they appear to the >world....Generally men like that....will spend money on things they >enjoy.....the number one person in that kind of guy's life is him. What did >Matt do all of these times...? I am glad that he is old enough to manage at >this point with out you being there.....but he can always go see his own >mother....you don't have to feel responsible for him...you tried....You >should never have to take that disrespect from any man....and Matt needs to >see that it is not behavior to continue....and women eventually leave when >they are treated so badly...... > >Better for you to get out....He has already broken his marriage vows because >of the fact that he does not honor you and doing that in the presence of his >son....is terrible....He will have himself....and himself only....to live >with.....He needs to get some counseling....the problem too...is that he >thinks it is all o.k. He needs to finally admit to himself that this is not >normal. Like I said before....he can't expect any woman to stay with >him....if he trys to make an example of this behavior in front on >Matt.....Or Matt will think this is o.k.. and he will continue the >behavior......If you did stay....then it makes this seem o.k. for him to >do....and he would have done it again....... > >I think it must have really been hard for the woman who had his >children....she probably felt trapped.... > >I will never judge you.....I know Mike has a nice house....he has a nice >car....he wears nice clothes.....everything "seems" nice about him....except >for the fact that.....all of those surface things just cover up the fact >that he isn't really "nice" at all.....He just wants the world out there to >only see what he perceives...as "a really nice guy".....But the funny thing >is.....I would be willing to bet that alot of people really do see through >all of that facade......I doubt if he has that many people >fooled......Yes...he has good points....and he is charming....and a good >conversationalist....but....none of that is worth putting up with the other >crap.....Now you can be the Ruth you always were....that he ...and Roger >tried to put down......I will stand by you....because you are my friend, and >my sister....and I love you. I don't love Roger, and I don't love >Mike......I do ....however, still care about your first ....Rob....he was >always the good one.....and he will probably always...care.... > >I am glad to hear that you have no intentions of any signifigant >other.....you don't need that......It is too bad that you were with weak men >who thought that abusing a woman makes them strong.....I does just the >opposite....Any man who does that to a woman is a poor excuse for a man. I >think I will send back the picture of you and Mike..if you want......and you >can cut him out of the picture...ha. > >I guess...that I knew you wouldn't have listened to me back then before you >got married....and you and I didn't see eye to eye on alot of things >then.....so that is why I kept my doubts about him to myself....you would >have just gotten mad at me.....maybe I should have....but you would have >gotten mad...told him I didn't think he was a good choice....and it would >have kept us divided more than we already were.....so I kept quiet....but I >still didn't like it. And I had that gut feeling.....People will always >give clues....you just have to see those red flags for what they >are...."warning signals".......The charm kind of goes with that package >too.....and when women get the I'm sorry....crap then they feel >nutty.....all a form of the guy's manipulating and control..... > >Basically.....men who try to control a woman....feel inadaquate....and since >they can't always control most things.....they feel like they have to >control women.....I think men like that are really intimadated by >women....and really don't even like women. > >So....I am glad you are moving on.....Your children are grown....and you did >what you could for Matt...Mike's son....besides....he has a mother he can go >to anyway.....You tried to be a good step mom..... > >Surround yourself with spiritual people who try to live the right >way....have compassion for others....and don't wrap themselves up in only >their own things....and you will be fine....Mike is still trying to control >you from a distance....and he will do the same thing to someone >else....Unless....he admits this is a problem.....and he has to get >counseling. > >Good Luck Ruth......Love, Martha >-----Original Message----- >From: Tracy Hope <tracyh@earthling.net.nz> >To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:19 AM >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair > > >>Excuse me while I delurk briefly, but I wanted to mention that my gggg >>grandfather, a John FRISKEN, married a FLETT just before emigrating to New >>Zealand. I'll find out the rest of the details if you like. >> >>--Tracy Hope >> >>> Wondering if anyone is researching the family of JAMES SINCLAIR married >>> MARGARET FLETT 2-Jan-1817 in Firth & Stennes or their son DAVID SINCLAIR >>> Married ELIZA PEARSON 2-Nov-1847 Kirkwall & St Olla. >>> Rita Rodger in Wishaw,N.Lanarkshire >> >> > > ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Doe.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doe.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoy;Doreen FN:Doe EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:hoy@mpx.com.au REV:19991019T231649Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680--