----- Original Message ----- From: <orkney-request@rootsweb.com> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 104 > > > Rootsweb handles ONLY plain text messages; therefore, there is no concern > for virus infections from a digest, UNLESS you have specifically requested > MIME format. > > For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at > ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > * Subscribing. Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, > but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual > instructions: to join ORKNEY-L, send mail to ORKNEY-L-request@rootsweb.com > with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join > ORKNEY-D, do the same thing with ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com. > o Subscribe to ORKNEY-L > o Subscribe to ORKNEY-D (digest) > * Unsubscribing. 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Re: Dearness mariners lost at sea (Judith Edmonds) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:58:02 +0100 > From: Judith Edmonds <judithedmonds@hotmail.com> > Subject: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea > To: "orkney@rootsweb.com" <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY134-W332100E056C3C395FC2AF4BB610@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi listers > I have been looking for a Dearness ancestor in the Registers of wages & > effects of deceased seamen, BT153, at TNA, Kew. > > These entries I found may be of interest to someone: > BT 153/3, p 54. > Dearness, Robert > Ship - The Dunbar, Official no 159, Port belonging to - London; Master : > Green > Vessel lost all hands drowned at Sydney, 20/8/1857 > Wages paid off at Limehouse 17/12/1857 > > > BT153/4, p145 > Dearness, Wm > Ship - Hendon, Official no 2.626, Port belonging to -Sunderland, Master : > not noted. > Drowned W coast of Jutland, 4/10/1860 > Effects lost, wages paid off at Sunderland, 29/10/1860, ?2.18s.0d > > Judith > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:41 -0500 > From: Meg Greenwood <scotquester@bartnet.net> > Subject: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <48B55F35.90003@bartnet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Judith - a valuable bit of information for someone no doubt ! Google > searches reveal Jutland [the site of one shipwreck, wages being paid in > in Sunderland] is part of Denmark and Limehouse [where wages were paid > off in the Sydney shipwreck] is a borough on the north bank of the > Thames near the center of London's footprint. > > Am not familiar with "Wages paid off at..."...does that mean the > deceased seaman's family could collect the wages due him at the time he > died ? Did someone have to actually travel to Limehouse or Sunderland > to collect ? Would someone from Orkney actually have traveled as far as > the northeastern tip of England to collect 2 Pounds Sterling, 18 > Shillings or was the deceased's widow or child be more likely living in > the Sunderland area ? Too many questions for a short answer maybe, but > I'm new to understanding the dynamics of shipwrecks, now seeing its more > than solely the horrendous loss of the men aboard. Meg Greenwood / > Oklahoma USA > ========================= > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:24:49 +0100 > From: Judith Edmonds <judithedmonds@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea > To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY134-W52CEC0D8D840D494C7FAF7BB610@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Meg > I am not sure about the place the wages were paid at, perhaps someone on > Mariners list would know. Was it the place the ship ended its voyage, or > was it the nearest port to where the family lived? > Orkney born mariners certainly moved about, two of my Orkney-born mariner > ancestors moved to live with their families in South Shields, Co. Durham > ( not far from Sunderland) > > As for the actual records, I quote from Watts & Watts book -"My ancestor > was a merchant seaman" - > "The Seamen's Fund Winding-up Act 1851 required masters of British ships > to hand on to a shipping master at the end of all voages the wages & > effects , or their proceeds, of any seaman who died during the voyage. > Registers of these wages & effects were maintained by RGSS. > "The Register of Wages & Effects of Deceased seamen", BT 153, records > details of the deaths of seamen, 1852 -April 1881, and May 1888 - 1889 > In them is recorded: > Name and register ticket no of deceased seamen ( the ones I looked at, > for 1850s, did not appear to give the ticket no) > Date of engagement > place, date & cause of man's death > name & port of registry of his ship > master's name > date & place of payment of his wages > amount of wages & date of receipt by Board of Trade > from 1866 they also record the seaman's age, his rating, the ship's > official no with a note of its voyages" > > So to answer your question, the family got the wages that were owing, > together with his effects ( if they had not been lost) > Judith Edmonds > > > >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:41 -0500 >> From: scotquester@bartnet.net >> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea >> >> Judith - a valuable bit of information for someone no doubt ! Google >> searches reveal Jutland [the site of one shipwreck, wages being paid in >> in Sunderland] is part of Denmark and Limehouse [where wages were paid >> off in the Sydney shipwreck] is a borough on the north bank of the >> Thames near the center of London's footprint. >> >> Am not familiar with "Wages paid off at..."...does that mean the >> deceased seaman's family could collect the wages due him at the time he >> died ? Did someone have to actually travel to Limehouse or Sunderland >> to collect ? Would someone from Orkney actually have traveled as far as >> the northeastern tip of England to collect 2 Pounds Sterling, 18 >> Shillings or was the deceased's widow or child be more likely living in >> the Sunderland area ? Too many questions for a short answer maybe, but >> I'm new to understanding the dynamics of shipwrecks, now seeing its more >> than solely the horrendous loss of the men aboard. Meg Greenwood / >> Oklahoma USA >> ========================= >> >> > >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make a mini you on Windows Live Messenger! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571437/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ORKNEY list administrator, send an email to > ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ORKNEY mailing list, send an email to > ORKNEY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 104 > ************************************** > >