Not my families but very interesting- thanks Willie Sinclair- Thomson in PEI Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair - Crew Agreements > Hi Dave > > With the help of some friends from another forum I have found out the > following information. > > Alexander does not appear to be registered as a master. The Janet was > on essentially "local" service. Unlike foreign service ships, they did > not have to file a crewlist every time they left a port. They used the > same list for 6 months and were supposed to record crew changes as > they happened. They would then file at the end of six months. This > results in, if accurate records are not kept, a sailor being on two > ships at the same time. >>From Lloyds War Losses (Page 311). The entry in the Lloyd's ledger was > made on 15th January 1919 and simply says - > > "Missing - Janet (sailing vessel) 74t net - Leith November 4th to > Kirkwall (coal)" > > This makes it almost certain that nothing was ever found of the ship - > anything found would have led to another amended entry. It is reckoned > that she was probably lost in a marine accident but a mine is always a > possibility. > > "A check on the weather map for 4/11/18 shows a full blown Atlantic > storm moving SE, with the center located NW of Scotland, barometric > pressure already down to 980 MB over the Orkneys, which makes a strong > case for Janet being lost in heavy weather." > > > 4 entries for crew of the Janet as follows: > > Seaman JAMES BURGHES MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, age > 17, (Papa Stronsay). > Mate JOHN GUTHRIE MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, age 31, > (Burray). > Master ALEXANDER SINCLAIR MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, > age 31, (South Ronaldsay). > Seaman HENRY STEVENSON MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, > age 17, Westray. > > So it looks as if John Guthrie was the mate when Alexander was Master > - perhaps he was a qualified Master too and took charge when Alexander > couldn't do a trip? > > I thought there may have been a story about it somewhere. > > Willie Sinclair > > 2008/7/8 David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au>: >> G'day William, >> >> The majority of the "Crew Agreements" for British registered ships were >> acquired by the Maritime History Archive at Memorial University, St >> John's, Newfoundland. < http://www.mun.ca/mha/ > >> >> These records allow you to trace the career, voyage by voyage, as the >> Crew Agreements list the name and date of the previous voyage. The >> Agreements give details of the sailor such as age and place of birth, >> rank and rate of pay, date signing on etc. Other information on the >> Agreements includes details of the ship, its owners, where it was >> licensed to sail (for insurance purposes), and on the back page, the >> stamp of the Harbour Master or British Consul for each port where the >> ship docked. >> >> I used these records in the pre-internet days so I can't comment on the >> Archives current standard of service or cost. However they allowed me to >> succeed in tracing my Great Grandfather, Asmus Kunde, back voyage by >> voyage until he first signed on as a seaman while his ship was docked in >> Hamburg. A subsequent search of the available Hamburg records gave me >> his full date of birth and his parish of birth in Holstein. They also >> allowed me to prove that my Orcadian Great Great Grandfather, Alexander >> Stewart, and his elder brother, John, were in Limerick at the time of >> Alexander's marriage (John was a witness on the marriage certificate). >> This information allowed me to prove that the Mary Kerly or Cairley of >> Orcadian records was the Mary Kirby of Limerick. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> David Armstrong >> Maylands, >> Western Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: William Sinclair >> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:20 AM >> Subject: [ORKNEY] Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair >> >> >> I had previously asked for information on Alexander Hassock (Hossack) >> Sinclair who was lost at sea and has his grave marked as 06 Nov 1918 lost >> at sea as the date of his death. Unfortunately I did not get any >> information. >> >> I have since learned that he was on the Schooner Janet of Kirkwall which >> was 74 tons, official number 89,021 Sinclair master. The schooner had >> sailed from Leith with a cargo of coal on 04 Nov 1918. >> >> I wonder if any one has any information about the schooner, or if this >> triggers something that can shed more information on Alexander. >> >> William Sinclair. >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message