Thank you, Norman. I do have G. Lamb's book (my site is even used as a reference in it!), but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't seeing some family's special spelling of a particular place name in 1874... I know there is a South Breck on Burray but the 1874 birth register I am looking at certainly seems to read the place name as "South Brooke, Burray". Would you know if "South Breck" when spoken with an Orkney accent could sound like "South Brooke" to a listener's ear? The Registrar at the time, W. T. N. Forbes (James Forbes' son) DID have pretty odd handwriting at times... but I feel that I've gotten pretty used to his handwriting at this point. Sure looks like "South Brooke" -- and this is the first time I've seen that. hhm. I will look into some censuses, and see what I can glean. Thank you! - Lisa

Has anyone come across a "South Brooke" on Burray? (Specifically _"Brooke"_, and not "South Breck" or "South Brecks".) Transcribing births for 1874, there is a Jane Petrie, dau of David Petrie and his wife, Margaret Robertson. Register says Jane was born at "South Brooke, Burray". I cannot locate this place name on the hard copy maps I have here at home. TIA, Lisa

Thank you for the reference, Archie. It vaguely intersects with my Bremner/Laird family, which is full of Kennedys and Allans, but the relationship would be very distant. My Sinclairs originally came from Stroma, Caithness. Charlie Petersen Port Townsend Washingfton USA

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George - thank you for these notes on James HALCRO. I checked further and find I had called Corinne, Registrar in Orphir, she sent me Death Registration details for James HALCROW. He did indeed stay in Orphir all his life, so the other James, the one from Evie and Rendall born 1833 looks more and more to be the likely candidate for the Scot in Kent, Michigan in 1880. The US lost its 1890 census and the transcriptions at Ancestry do not find him in the 1900 census, its most likely a mis-spelling of the HALCRO surname which tends to cause fits to read. I see Halero, Halers, Haliro and with the HALCROW spelling, I find Haleron and Halcron to further confuse identities. Will do a bit more searching in Sparta, 1900 to see if he's still there, but immigration patterns say he's most likely gone west. MEG 1921 Deaths - "James Halcro, Crofter, widower of Margaret Groundwater, died at Highbreck, age 77 on May 14, 1921 of Bronchitis. Father was Thomas Halcro, mother was Isabella Mathieson." ================================ >

Meg, James Halcrow who was the son of Thomas Halcro and Isabella Mathieson married Margaret Groundwater on 11th April 1878 in Orphir and they appear in the 1881, 1891 & 1901 Orphir census. In 1901 they are living at Highbrake, Orphir George Gray, Orkney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <scotquester@bartnet.net> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 5:02 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] James Halcro, US 1880 Census Michigan > Think I've identified the James HALCRO found in the 1880 US census in > Sparta, Kent county Michigan.. His information says hes a White Male, > Single, Farmer age 42 born Scotland. Parents both born Scotland. That > would make his birth year about 1838. Other questions were asked in the > 1880 census but not all applied, so there are a lot of blanks. > > There are 2 candidates for him in the IGI ...one born Orphir June 1843 > to Thomas HALCRO and Isabella MATHIESON. Another in Evie and Rendall was > born Dec 1833 parents Thomas HALCRO and Margaret BROWN. The census has > one clue about his birth month which should not have been given. Every > one on this page gave their birth month. The question was only intended > for those infants born in 1880, but the enumerator didn't understand it > right, and asked the question of everyone. James gave DECEMBER as his > birth month making him most likely the Evie and Rendall one . Looks > like James shaved off almost 5y of his age, he should have been 46 1/2y > not 42 in June, 1880. > > Anyone know of this James HALCRO and can say he IS or is NOT the US one > ? A lot of HALCRO/Ws came into Michigan and stayed a decent length of > time, some traveling on westward, many staying indefinitely. Have been > tracking HALCROs and HALCROWs in the US and other continents. Meg > Greenwood / Oklahoma USA > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

William: That's a difficult one. If AH Sinclair was the owner as well as the captain, as was quite common for small sailing vessels in those days, then I fear the crew's wages would never have been paid to anyone. If the vessel was owned by a more substantive company then the company might volunteer payments to the next of kin, who might also persuade the Board of Trade to bring a court action for their recovery, but it would be most difficult to pursue records of either of these contingencies. Your first task would be to find out who owned the vessel from a copy of annual Lloyds Register. Thereafter there are a number records which might refer to the incident, but they are complex and not widely available - see CT & MT Watts'"My Ancestor was a Seaman". James Irvine. > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:22:27 +0100 > From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Dearness Mariners Lost at Sea > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <a93263dd0808280522sa9d5cd4i4ce7a6d7bff65ba3@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi James > > I have a relative Alexander Hossack Sinclair who was the captain of > the the Schooner Janet who was lost at sea along with all hands in > 1918. > > Would there be a record of where the wages went for this crew, even if > they were never found. If so have you any information as to how I > could get a copy of the details. > > William Sinclair > > 2008/8/28 James Irvine <james.irvine@ukonline.co.uk>: >> Since the 1850's all merchant seafarers signed a contract with the ship's >> master known as the ship's articles (of employment). They were "signed >> on" >> (these articles) when they joined his vessel and "signed off" when they >> left. The signings took place at the ports of joining and leaving the >> vessel. Those drowned at sea would be signed off at the next port of >> call, >> or possibly next UK port of call, and, as Judith says, the wages owing >> posted to the next-of-kin by the local Board of Trade official (who >> oversaw >> all signings, to ensure fair play). It was - is - customary for the >> deceased's personal effects to be auctioned to his shipmates and the >> proceeds sent to the widow. >> >> James Irvine (who was better at driving a ship than a web page!). >> >> >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:02:44 -0500 > From: Meg Greenwood <scotquester@bartnet.net> > Subject: [ORKNEY] James Halcro, US 1880 Census Michigan > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <48B774E4.7060703@bartnet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Think I've identified the James HALCRO found in the 1880 US census in > Sparta, Kent county Michigan.. His information says hes a White Male, > Single, Farmer age 42 born Scotland. Parents both born Scotland. That > would make his birth year about 1838. Other questions were asked in the > 1880 census but not all applied, so there are a lot of blanks. > > There are 2 candidates for him in the IGI ...one born Orphir June 1843 > to Thomas HALCRO and Isabella MATHIESON. Another in Evie and Rendall was > born Dec 1833 parents Thomas HALCRO and Margaret BROWN. The census has > one clue about his birth month which should not have been given. Every > one on this page gave their birth month. The question was only intended > for those infants born in 1880, but the enumerator didn't understand it > right, and asked the question of everyone. James gave DECEMBER as his > birth month making him most likely the Evie and Rendall one . Looks > like James shaved off almost 5y of his age, he should have been 46 1/2y > not 42 in June, 1880. > > Anyone know of this James HALCRO and can say he IS or is NOT the US one > ? A lot of HALCRO/Ws came into Michigan and stayed a decent length of > time, some traveling on westward, many staying indefinitely. Have been > tracking HALCROs and HALCROWs in the US and other continents. Meg > Greenwood / Oklahoma USA > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ORKNEY list administrator, send an email to > ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ORKNEY mailing list, send an email to > ORKNEY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 > ************************************** > >

Think I've identified the James HALCRO found in the 1880 US census in Sparta, Kent county Michigan.. His information says hes a White Male, Single, Farmer age 42 born Scotland. Parents both born Scotland. That would make his birth year about 1838. Other questions were asked in the 1880 census but not all applied, so there are a lot of blanks. There are 2 candidates for him in the IGI ...one born Orphir June 1843 to Thomas HALCRO and Isabella MATHIESON. Another in Evie and Rendall was born Dec 1833 parents Thomas HALCRO and Margaret BROWN. The census has one clue about his birth month which should not have been given. Every one on this page gave their birth month. The question was only intended for those infants born in 1880, but the enumerator didn't understand it right, and asked the question of everyone. James gave DECEMBER as his birth month making him most likely the Evie and Rendall one . Looks like James shaved off almost 5y of his age, he should have been 46 1/2y not 42 in June, 1880. Anyone know of this James HALCRO and can say he IS or is NOT the US one ? A lot of HALCRO/Ws came into Michigan and stayed a decent length of time, some traveling on westward, many staying indefinitely. Have been tracking HALCROs and HALCROWs in the US and other continents. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA

Hi James I have a relative Alexander Hossack Sinclair who was the captain of the the Schooner Janet who was lost at sea along with all hands in 1918. Would there be a record of where the wages went for this crew, even if they were never found. If so have you any information as to how I could get a copy of the details. William Sinclair 2008/8/28 James Irvine <james.irvine@ukonline.co.uk>: > Since the 1850's all merchant seafarers signed a contract with the ship's > master known as the ship's articles (of employment). They were "signed on" > (these articles) when they joined his vessel and "signed off" when they > left. The signings took place at the ports of joining and leaving the > vessel. Those drowned at sea would be signed off at the next port of call, > or possibly next UK port of call, and, as Judith says, the wages owing > posted to the next-of-kin by the local Board of Trade official (who oversaw > all signings, to ensure fair play). It was - is - customary for the > deceased's personal effects to be auctioned to his shipmates and the > proceeds sent to the widow. > > James Irvine (who was better at driving a ship than a web page!). > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Since the 1850's all merchant seafarers signed a contract with the ship's master known as the ship's articles (of employment). They were "signed on" (these articles) when they joined his vessel and "signed off" when they left. The signings took place at the ports of joining and leaving the vessel. Those drowned at sea would be signed off at the next port of call, or possibly next UK port of call, and, as Judith says, the wages owing posted to the next-of-kin by the local Board of Trade official (who oversaw all signings, to ensure fair play). It was - is - customary for the deceased's personal effects to be auctioned to his shipmates and the proceeds sent to the widow. James Irvine (who was better at driving a ship than a web page!).

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Re: Dearness mariners lost at sea (Judith Edmonds) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:58:02 +0100 > From: Judith Edmonds <judithedmonds@hotmail.com> > Subject: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea > To: "orkney@rootsweb.com" <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY134-W332100E056C3C395FC2AF4BB610@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi listers > I have been looking for a Dearness ancestor in the Registers of wages & > effects of deceased seamen, BT153, at TNA, Kew. > > These entries I found may be of interest to someone: > BT 153/3, p 54. > Dearness, Robert > Ship - The Dunbar, Official no 159, Port belonging to - London; Master : > Green > Vessel lost all hands drowned at Sydney, 20/8/1857 > Wages paid off at Limehouse 17/12/1857 > > > BT153/4, p145 > Dearness, Wm > Ship - Hendon, Official no 2.626, Port belonging to -Sunderland, Master : > not noted. > Drowned W coast of Jutland, 4/10/1860 > Effects lost, wages paid off at Sunderland, 29/10/1860, ?2.18s.0d > > Judith > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:41 -0500 > From: Meg Greenwood <scotquester@bartnet.net> > Subject: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <48B55F35.90003@bartnet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Judith - a valuable bit of information for someone no doubt ! Google > searches reveal Jutland [the site of one shipwreck, wages being paid in > in Sunderland] is part of Denmark and Limehouse [where wages were paid > off in the Sydney shipwreck] is a borough on the north bank of the > Thames near the center of London's footprint. > > Am not familiar with "Wages paid off at..."...does that mean the > deceased seaman's family could collect the wages due him at the time he > died ? Did someone have to actually travel to Limehouse or Sunderland > to collect ? Would someone from Orkney actually have traveled as far as > the northeastern tip of England to collect 2 Pounds Sterling, 18 > Shillings or was the deceased's widow or child be more likely living in > the Sunderland area ? Too many questions for a short answer maybe, but > I'm new to understanding the dynamics of shipwrecks, now seeing its more > than solely the horrendous loss of the men aboard. Meg Greenwood / > Oklahoma USA > ========================= > >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:24:49 +0100 > From: Judith Edmonds <judithedmonds@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea > To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY134-W52CEC0D8D840D494C7FAF7BB610@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Meg > I am not sure about the place the wages were paid at, perhaps someone on > Mariners list would know. Was it the place the ship ended its voyage, or > was it the nearest port to where the family lived? > Orkney born mariners certainly moved about, two of my Orkney-born mariner > ancestors moved to live with their families in South Shields, Co. Durham > ( not far from Sunderland) > > As for the actual records, I quote from Watts & Watts book -"My ancestor > was a merchant seaman" - > "The Seamen's Fund Winding-up Act 1851 required masters of British ships > to hand on to a shipping master at the end of all voages the wages & > effects , or their proceeds, of any seaman who died during the voyage. > Registers of these wages & effects were maintained by RGSS. > "The Register of Wages & Effects of Deceased seamen", BT 153, records > details of the deaths of seamen, 1852 -April 1881, and May 1888 - 1889 > In them is recorded: > Name and register ticket no of deceased seamen ( the ones I looked at, > for 1850s, did not appear to give the ticket no) > Date of engagement > place, date & cause of man's death > name & port of registry of his ship > master's name > date & place of payment of his wages > amount of wages & date of receipt by Board of Trade > from 1866 they also record the seaman's age, his rating, the ship's > official no with a note of its voyages" > > So to answer your question, the family got the wages that were owing, > together with his effects ( if they had not been lost) > Judith Edmonds > > > >> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:41 -0500 >> From: scotquester@bartnet.net >> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea >> >> Judith - a valuable bit of information for someone no doubt ! Google >> searches reveal Jutland [the site of one shipwreck, wages being paid in >> in Sunderland] is part of Denmark and Limehouse [where wages were paid >> off in the Sydney shipwreck] is a borough on the north bank of the >> Thames near the center of London's footprint. >> >> Am not familiar with "Wages paid off at..."...does that mean the >> deceased seaman's family could collect the wages due him at the time he >> died ? Did someone have to actually travel to Limehouse or Sunderland >> to collect ? Would someone from Orkney actually have traveled as far as >> the northeastern tip of England to collect 2 Pounds Sterling, 18 >> Shillings or was the deceased's widow or child be more likely living in >> the Sunderland area ? Too many questions for a short answer maybe, but >> I'm new to understanding the dynamics of shipwrecks, now seeing its more >> than solely the horrendous loss of the men aboard. 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Meg I am not sure about the place the wages were paid at, perhaps someone on Mariners list would know. Was it the place the ship ended its voyage, or was it the nearest port to where the family lived? Orkney born mariners certainly moved about, two of my Orkney-born mariner ancestors moved to live with their families in South Shields, Co. Durham ( not far from Sunderland) As for the actual records, I quote from Watts & Watts book -"My ancestor was a merchant seaman" - "The Seamen's Fund Winding-up Act 1851 required masters of British ships to hand on to a shipping master at the end of all voages the wages & effects , or their proceeds, of any seaman who died during the voyage. Registers of these wages & effects were maintained by RGSS. "The Register of Wages & Effects of Deceased seamen", BT 153, records details of the deaths of seamen, 1852 -April 1881, and May 1888 - 1889 In them is recorded: Name and register ticket no of deceased seamen ( the ones I looked at, for 1850s, did not appear to give the ticket no) Date of engagement place, date & cause of man's death name & port of registry of his ship master's name date & place of payment of his wages amount of wages & date of receipt by Board of Trade from 1866 they also record the seaman's age, his rating, the ship's official no with a note of its voyages" So to answer your question, the family got the wages that were owing, together with his effects ( if they had not been lost) Judith Edmonds > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:05:41 -0500 > From: scotquester@bartnet.net > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ORKNEY] Dearness mariners lost at sea > > Judith - a valuable bit of information for someone no doubt ! Google > searches reveal Jutland [the site of one shipwreck, wages being paid in > in Sunderland] is part of Denmark and Limehouse [where wages were paid > off in the Sydney shipwreck] is a borough on the north bank of the > Thames near the center of London's footprint. > > Am not familiar with "Wages paid off at..."...does that mean the > deceased seaman's family could collect the wages due him at the time he > died ? Did someone have to actually travel to Limehouse or Sunderland > to collect ? Would someone from Orkney actually have traveled as far as > the northeastern tip of England to collect 2 Pounds Sterling, 18 > Shillings or was the deceased's widow or child be more likely living in > the Sunderland area ? Too many questions for a short answer maybe, but > I'm new to understanding the dynamics of shipwrecks, now seeing its more > than solely the horrendous loss of the men aboard. Meg Greenwood / > Oklahoma USA > ========================= > > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Make a mini you on Windows Live Messenger! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571437/direct/01/

Hi listers I have been looking for a Dearness ancestor in the Registers of wages & effects of deceased seamen, BT153, at TNA, Kew. These entries I found may be of interest to someone: BT 153/3, p 54. Dearness, Robert Ship - The Dunbar, Official no 159, Port belonging to - London; Master : Green Vessel lost all hands drowned at Sydney, 20/8/1857 Wages paid off at Limehouse 17/12/1857 BT153/4, p145 Dearness, Wm Ship - Hendon, Official no 2.626, Port belonging to -Sunderland, Master : not noted. Drowned W coast of Jutland, 4/10/1860 Effects lost, wages paid off at Sunderland, 29/10/1860, £2.18s.0d Judith _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile from Vodafone http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/107571435/direct/01/

Judith - a valuable bit of information for someone no doubt ! Google searches reveal Jutland [the site of one shipwreck, wages being paid in in Sunderland] is part of Denmark and Limehouse [where wages were paid off in the Sydney shipwreck] is a borough on the north bank of the Thames near the center of London's footprint. Am not familiar with "Wages paid off at..."...does that mean the deceased seaman's family could collect the wages due him at the time he died ? Did someone have to actually travel to Limehouse or Sunderland to collect ? Would someone from Orkney actually have traveled as far as the northeastern tip of England to collect 2 Pounds Sterling, 18 Shillings or was the deceased's widow or child be more likely living in the Sunderland area ? Too many questions for a short answer maybe, but I'm new to understanding the dynamics of shipwrecks, now seeing its more than solely the horrendous loss of the men aboard. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ========================= >

G'day everyone, SBS Australia has just started advertising a new series of "Who Do You Think You Are?" starting this coming weekend on Sunday 31st August. It looks as if they're going to start with a BBC series, and if they did as last time, they'll follow through with a locally made series. (I hope you don't mind me broadcasting this over a number of lists). David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia

David Armstrong wrote: > G'day everyone, > > SBS Australia has just started advertising a new series of "Who Do You Think You Are?" starting this coming weekend on Sunday 31st August. > > It looks as if they're going to start with a BBC series, and if they did as last time, they'll follow through with a locally made series. > > (I hope you don't mind me broadcasting this over a number of lists). > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Great, I hope some Jamieson men watch, get intrigued and test.

Although I am not a descendent of Robert Anderson Sinclair, I am a descendent of his 1st cousin Alexander Sinclair, also born South Ronaldsay. Please feel free to contact me, if you wish. I have much information on this line, including pictures- old and new! FYI, there is a Sinclair DNA study that is quite interesting. A direct male descendent is needed to tie our line to ancient line. Marilyn **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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I have them in my family tree. I live in Victoria BC. If I could have your telephone No. I'd call you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian witmee" <eemwhit@hotmail.com> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:02 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] Sinclairs from St Margarets Hope > > Would like to make contact with any g.children and or gg children of > Robert Anderson Sinclair/Mary Ann nee Norquay > _________________________________________________________________ > Shout your Messenger buddies to the movies > http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=4590 > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

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