I agree, Maryann - Willie's Sinclairs don't seem to have Caithness ties, and mine are really Caithness people. Thank you for your information. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: <m.rosie@shaw.ca> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] James Sinclair born 1805 - 1856 > Probablly not the Mary who married John Laird. > > Although she did have a brother named William he likely remained in > Canisbay > on Stroma and married 1st Marion Smith and then Elspet Kennedy. He did > have > son's John, 1805, James1797 and Alexander 1792 as well as William 1790 > ,Peter 1800 and Andrew 1803 Elspet. > > With Marion he had John1799 who died young, Eliza 1783, Esther 1785 and > George 1780. > > I don't have a death for William or his sons but James did marry in > Canisbay > in 1820. and Andrew married in 1823 in Canisbay. So the timing seems > unlikely that John had been in Canada and returned by 1819.. > > Maryann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charlie Petersen" <charliep@cablespeed.com> > To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 1:23 AM > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] James Sinclair born 1805 - 1856 > > >> Hi Willie - >> I think you might be right, Mary Sinclair and John Laird were originally >> from Stroma, Canisbay, Caithness and moved over to Burray to be near son >> Andrew Laird and daughter Jean (Jane) Laird Bremner. They are buried in >> Burray churchyard. Thank you for the info. >> >> Charlie Anne Petersen >> Port Townsend WA USA >> >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.4/1695 - Release Date: 9/27/2008 1:11 PM

Hi Charlie That being the case then this may not be her. William Sinclair was born in Harray and I would suspect his sister was too. However their are far wiser heads than mine on this list who will know the answer. Willie 2008/9/27 Charlie Petersen <charliep@cablespeed.com>: > Hi Willie - > I think you might be right, Mary Sinclair and John Laird were originally > from Stroma, Canisbay, Caithness and moved over to Burray to be near son > Andrew Laird and daughter Jean (Jane) Laird Bremner. They are buried in > Burray churchyard. Thank you for the info. > > Charlie Anne Petersen > Port Townsend WA USA > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Probablly not the Mary who married John Laird. Although she did have a brother named William he likely remained in Canisbay on Stroma and married 1st Marion Smith and then Elspet Kennedy. He did have son's John, 1805, James1797 and Alexander 1792 as well as William 1790 ,Peter 1800 and Andrew 1803 Elspet. With Marion he had John1799 who died young, Eliza 1783, Esther 1785 and George 1780. I don't have a death for William or his sons but James did marry in Canisbay in 1820. and Andrew married in 1823 in Canisbay. So the timing seems unlikely that John had been in Canada and returned by 1819.. Maryann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie Petersen" <charliep@cablespeed.com> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] James Sinclair born 1805 - 1856 > Hi Willie - > I think you might be right, Mary Sinclair and John Laird were originally > from Stroma, Canisbay, Caithness and moved over to Burray to be near son > Andrew Laird and daughter Jean (Jane) Laird Bremner. They are buried in > Burray churchyard. Thank you for the info. > > Charlie Anne Petersen > Port Townsend WA USA > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Willie - I think you might be right, Mary Sinclair and John Laird were originally from Stroma, Canisbay, Caithness and moved over to Burray to be near son Andrew Laird and daughter Jean (Jane) Laird Bremner. They are buried in Burray churchyard. Thank you for the info. Charlie Anne Petersen Port Townsend WA USA

Hi All I have been reading the biog of James Sinclair in Orkney roots. It says that he left Canada with his two brother in 1819 and they or he lodged with his father William's sister Mary in St Margarets Hope. Is this sister Mary the Mary Sinclair who married John laird and living in Warebanks in the 1821 census from Lisa's page. His brothers were called John and Alexander. William Sinclair

Thanks for that David. My husband (Malcolm R. MacKay Johnson) descends from Betsy and Alex!!!!!! Is there anyone else out there that does too?? Heather The Blood is Strong :-) > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:57:37 -0700> To: orkney@rootsweb.com> From: davidpalmquist@dccnet.com> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 122> > The headstone for Betsy Campbell and Alex MacKay is here:> http://flickr.com/photos/74689067@N00/2624862089/?editreplace=1> It's hard to see, but I think Betsy died Feb 28, not Feb 22, and age > 94, not 95.> David Palmquist,> (Hay, O'Neill, Simpson, Calvert, etc.)> > > At 00:01 2008-09-25, orkney-request@rootsweb.com wrote:> >----------------------------------------------------------------------> >----- Original Message -----> >From: "Lisa Conrad" <nisus00@earthlink.net>> >To: <orkney@rootsweb.com>> >Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:03 PM> >Subject: [ORKNEY] WALLS> >> > > Hello,> >(snip)>> > > I believe I've traced James Walls (Junior-- b.1806/1807) to Walls > > & Flotta, Orkney.> > > .- His first marriage was to an Isabella McKAY on 9th January > > 1829, Walls. (I am not sure yet when Isabella McKay died, but it was sometime> > > between 1829 and 1881. I do not know much about her.)> > >> > > .- His 2nd marriage, in 1881, was to Ann Sutherland, widow of > > Magnus Mowat of Flotta. (Ann and Magnus married in Feb. 1860; sadly, in June of> > > 1860, Magnus and his uncle, also named Magnus Mowat, went down in > > a boat in the Pentland Firth.)> > >> > > .- James Walls' death was on 18th October 1890, Flotta, being > > noted as "about 85 years" old, and "Married to Ann Sutherland > > [widow of Magnus Mowat, deceased] and formerly [married] to Isabella McKay".> > >> > > .- Ann Sutherland died on the 25th February 1920, Flotta.> >------------------------------> >Message: 8> >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:54:33 -0700> >From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net>> >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] WALLS> >To: orkney@rootsweb.com> >> >Hi Helen,> >> >Thank you. I, too, feel 99% sure that I have the "right" James > >Walls in the 1821 Census; I just wanted someone familiar with the family to> >perhaps 2nd or 3rd my judgment.> >> >- Lisa> >PS: would you have any further info on Isabella McKay, re: her > >parents, birthplace, when she died?> >> >------------------------------> >> >Message: 9> >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:01:21 +0100> >From: "Helen Emberley" <helen.emberley@virgin.net>> >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] WALLS> >To: <orkney@rootsweb.com>> >> >Hello again Lisa> >> >Isabella MacKay (McKay) was born about 1798 at Farr in Sutherland. I > >have been unable to find a baptism for her so far. According to the death> >register her parents were Alexander McKay and Betsy Campbell. She > >died on Flotta aged 82 on February 1st, 1880. Her mother, Betsy > >McKay (Campbell) died on Flotta aged 95, 22 February 1862. The > >death register confirms her as the widow of Alexander McKay, > >fisherman. According to the 1861 census for Flotta, Betsy McKay was > >also born at Farr in Sutherland.> >> >Hope this helps> >> >Helen> > >> > > ------------------> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at:> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Discover Bird's Eye View now with Multimap from Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354026/direct/01/

Thanks so much James, I sincerely appreciate the effort you have put in here. Trouble now is I'll have to go buy a whole bunch of books!..... Thanks again from Oz down under. Bruce Stewart On 26/09/2008, at 3:05 AM, James Irvine wrote: > In his article "Further Notes on Saints' Relics and Burials in > St.Magnus > Cathedral" (Proceedings of the Orkney Antiquarian Society, volume > VI, 1928, > p.36) John Mooney states: "A part of the north choir was known as the > "Stewart's yle". > > In his "Kirkwall in the Orkneys" (1900, p.51) Hossack states "Lord > Robert > Stewart was buried in the Stewart aisle". However this grave has > not been > found, and I don't think there is any record of who was buried where > in the > Cathedral during the era of the Stewart Earls. In his > "Reminiscences of the > Cathedral Church of St.Magnus since 1846", written by Samuel Baikie > in 1894 > and reprinted in a booklet of the same title published by the > St.Magnus > Centre Management Committee in 2001) Baikie noted (p.5) that during > the > repairs to the building in 1847-48 "throughout the Nave and > Transepts the > floors .... had accumulated to such a height as to conceal all the > bases of > the columns in those parts and the columns themselves mugged up in > rather a > hedious manner with memorials of the departed. These were all > removed and > placed along the sidewalls in an orderly manner as now seen." > > p.8 of the current (2007) booklet guide "St.Magnus Cathedral" > confirms this: > "The majority of the tombstones standing against the inside walls of > the > nave aisles date from the 17th century. Originally these tombstones > were on > the floor of the nave. However, an arched recess in the south wall is > believed to date back to the 14th century and has been identified > from its > coat of arms as the tomb of a native Orkney family, the Papleys." > On p.16 > of this booklet is a picture of the Cathedral's oldest surviving > tombstone, > thought to date from the 13th century, and now standing in the north > choir > aisle. > > Reproduced between pp.36 and 37 Mooney's article of 1928 are modern > copies > of two plans of the nave, crossing and south transept. One is dated > 1769 > and shows family burial plots seemingly in use during the 18th > century. The > other is dated 1808 and shows the locations of the graves of 138 named > individuals dating from 1791, and updated to 1825. The two plans were > reprinted on pp.11-14 of the 2001 booklet. > >> From the above it is apparent that burials within the Cathedral, >> probably of > relatively wealthy individuals, continued until some time between > 1825 and > 1847. > > Extensive details of 52 of the stones placed along the sidewalls, and > photographs of 6 of them, are given on pp.126-138 of 12th Report of > the > Royal Commission on Ancient Monuments of Scotland, Vol II: > "Inventory of > Orkney", HMSO 1946. 62 of these stones were carefully drawn by the > assistant curator Liz Johnston in her "St.Magnus Cathedral > Gravestones", > printed in 1994. Several other individuals have deposited > transcriptions of > these stones in the Orkney Archive (see p.52 of my book "Trace Your > Orkney > Ancestors", published in 2003). The Orkney Family History Society is > currently preparing a publication of transcriptions of the > inscriptions on > the c.6,000 stones in the Cathdral and its surrounding graveyard. > > James Irvine. > > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:50:47 +1000 >> From: Bruce Stewart <bruce@brucestewart.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Stewart "aisle" St Magnus Cathederal Kirkwall. >> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <FC073DC3-F4F7-4AB8- >> A8CC-29AE78EC2C8B@brucestewart.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> apparently there is a "Stewart" aisle in St Magnus cathedral, >> Kirkwall? my question is does anyone have any information on this >> i.e. >> people buried there or plaques, inscriptions, photos etc...I would >> appreciate any information on this. >> >> I am trying to map out who was buried where during the "Earl >> Stewartry" period of Orkney and Shetland. >> >> Thanks from down under >> Bruce Stewart >> >> > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, > Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Were there any Halcros who were buried in St Magnus Cathedral? I seem to recall reading, many years ago, a description of the Halcro armorial bearings in one of John Mooney’s books. Jim Halcrow James Irvine wrote: > In his article "Further Notes on Saints' Relics and Burials in St.Magnus > Cathedral" (Proceedings of the Orkney Antiquarian Society, volume VI, 1928, > p.36) John Mooney states: "A part of the north choir was known as the > "Stewart's yle". > > In his "Kirkwall in the Orkneys" (1900, p.51) Hossack states "Lord Robert > Stewart was buried in the Stewart aisle". However this grave has not been > found, and I don't think there is any record of who was buried where in the > Cathedral during the era of the Stewart Earls. In his "Reminiscences of the > Cathedral Church of St.Magnus since 1846", written by Samuel Baikie in 1894 > and reprinted in a booklet of the same title published by the St.Magnus > Centre Management Committee in 2001) Baikie noted (p.5) that during the > repairs to the building in 1847-48 "throughout the Nave and Transepts the > floors .... had accumulated to such a height as to conceal all the bases of > the columns in those parts and the columns themselves mugged up in rather a > hedious manner with memorials of the departed. These were all removed and > placed along the sidewalls in an orderly manner as now seen." > > p.8 of the current (2007) booklet guide "St.Magnus Cathedral" confirms this: > "The majority of the tombstones standing against the inside walls of the > nave aisles date from the 17th century. Originally these tombstones were on > the floor of the nave. However, an arched recess in the south wall is > believed to date back to the 14th century and has been identified from its > coat of arms as the tomb of a native Orkney family, the Papleys." On p.16 > of this booklet is a picture of the Cathedral's oldest surviving tombstone, > thought to date from the 13th century, and now standing in the north choir > aisle. > > Reproduced between pp.36 and 37 Mooney's article of 1928 are modern copies > of two plans of the nave, crossing and south transept. One is dated 1769 > and shows family burial plots seemingly in use during the 18th century. The > other is dated 1808 and shows the locations of the graves of 138 named > individuals dating from 1791, and updated to 1825. The two plans were > reprinted on pp.11-14 of the 2001 booklet. > >>From the above it is apparent that burials within the Cathedral, probably of > relatively wealthy individuals, continued until some time between 1825 and > 1847. > > Extensive details of 52 of the stones placed along the sidewalls, and > photographs of 6 of them, are given on pp.126-138 of 12th Report of the > Royal Commission on Ancient Monuments of Scotland, Vol II: "Inventory of > Orkney", HMSO 1946. 62 of these stones were carefully drawn by the > assistant curator Liz Johnston in her "St.Magnus Cathedral Gravestones", > printed in 1994. Several other individuals have deposited transcriptions of > these stones in the Orkney Archive (see p.52 of my book "Trace Your Orkney > Ancestors", published in 2003). The Orkney Family History Society is > currently preparing a publication of transcriptions of the inscriptions on > the c.6,000 stones in the Cathdral and its surrounding graveyard. > > James Irvine. > > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:50:47 +1000 >> From: Bruce Stewart <bruce@brucestewart.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Stewart "aisle" St Magnus Cathederal Kirkwall. >> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <FC073DC3-F4F7-4AB8-A8CC-29AE78EC2C8B@brucestewart.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> apparently there is a "Stewart" aisle in St Magnus cathedral, >> Kirkwall? my question is does anyone have any information on this i.e. >> people buried there or plaques, inscriptions, photos etc...I would >> appreciate any information on this. >> >> I am trying to map out who was buried where during the "Earl >> Stewartry" period of Orkney and Shetland. >> >> Thanks from down under >> Bruce Stewart >> >> > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Lisa I also have the tombstone picture of this family, Susan on list was very kind to take for me a while back, if you need/want a picture of that? Cathy

In his article "Further Notes on Saints' Relics and Burials in St.Magnus Cathedral" (Proceedings of the Orkney Antiquarian Society, volume VI, 1928, p.36) John Mooney states: "A part of the north choir was known as the "Stewart's yle". In his "Kirkwall in the Orkneys" (1900, p.51) Hossack states "Lord Robert Stewart was buried in the Stewart aisle". However this grave has not been found, and I don't think there is any record of who was buried where in the Cathedral during the era of the Stewart Earls. In his "Reminiscences of the Cathedral Church of St.Magnus since 1846", written by Samuel Baikie in 1894 and reprinted in a booklet of the same title published by the St.Magnus Centre Management Committee in 2001) Baikie noted (p.5) that during the repairs to the building in 1847-48 "throughout the Nave and Transepts the floors .... had accumulated to such a height as to conceal all the bases of the columns in those parts and the columns themselves mugged up in rather a hedious manner with memorials of the departed. These were all removed and placed along the sidewalls in an orderly manner as now seen." p.8 of the current (2007) booklet guide "St.Magnus Cathedral" confirms this: "The majority of the tombstones standing against the inside walls of the nave aisles date from the 17th century. Originally these tombstones were on the floor of the nave. However, an arched recess in the south wall is believed to date back to the 14th century and has been identified from its coat of arms as the tomb of a native Orkney family, the Papleys." On p.16 of this booklet is a picture of the Cathedral's oldest surviving tombstone, thought to date from the 13th century, and now standing in the north choir aisle. Reproduced between pp.36 and 37 Mooney's article of 1928 are modern copies of two plans of the nave, crossing and south transept. One is dated 1769 and shows family burial plots seemingly in use during the 18th century. The other is dated 1808 and shows the locations of the graves of 138 named individuals dating from 1791, and updated to 1825. The two plans were reprinted on pp.11-14 of the 2001 booklet. >From the above it is apparent that burials within the Cathedral, probably of relatively wealthy individuals, continued until some time between 1825 and 1847. Extensive details of 52 of the stones placed along the sidewalls, and photographs of 6 of them, are given on pp.126-138 of 12th Report of the Royal Commission on Ancient Monuments of Scotland, Vol II: "Inventory of Orkney", HMSO 1946. 62 of these stones were carefully drawn by the assistant curator Liz Johnston in her "St.Magnus Cathedral Gravestones", printed in 1994. Several other individuals have deposited transcriptions of these stones in the Orkney Archive (see p.52 of my book "Trace Your Orkney Ancestors", published in 2003). The Orkney Family History Society is currently preparing a publication of transcriptions of the inscriptions on the c.6,000 stones in the Cathdral and its surrounding graveyard. James Irvine. Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 19:50:47 +1000 > From: Bruce Stewart <bruce@brucestewart.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Stewart "aisle" St Magnus Cathederal Kirkwall. > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <FC073DC3-F4F7-4AB8-A8CC-29AE78EC2C8B@brucestewart.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Folks, > > apparently there is a "Stewart" aisle in St Magnus cathedral, > Kirkwall? my question is does anyone have any information on this i.e. > people buried there or plaques, inscriptions, photos etc...I would > appreciate any information on this. > > I am trying to map out who was buried where during the "Earl > Stewartry" period of Orkney and Shetland. > > Thanks from down under > Bruce Stewart > >

The headstone for Betsy Campbell and Alex MacKay is here: http://flickr.com/photos/74689067@N00/2624862089/?editreplace=1 It's hard to see, but I think Betsy died Feb 28, not Feb 22, and age 94, not 95. David Palmquist, (Hay, O'Neill, Simpson, Calvert, etc.) At 00:01 2008-09-25, orkney-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lisa Conrad" <nisus00@earthlink.net> >To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:03 PM >Subject: [ORKNEY] WALLS > > > Hello, >(snip)> > > I believe I've traced James Walls (Junior-- b.1806/1807) to Walls > & Flotta, Orkney. > > .- His first marriage was to an Isabella McKAY on 9th January > 1829, Walls. (I am not sure yet when Isabella McKay died, but it was sometime > > between 1829 and 1881. I do not know much about her.) > > > > .- His 2nd marriage, in 1881, was to Ann Sutherland, widow of > Magnus Mowat of Flotta. (Ann and Magnus married in Feb. 1860; sadly, in June of > > 1860, Magnus and his uncle, also named Magnus Mowat, went down in > a boat in the Pentland Firth.) > > > > .- James Walls' death was on 18th October 1890, Flotta, being > noted as "about 85 years" old, and "Married to Ann Sutherland > [widow of Magnus Mowat, deceased] and formerly [married] to Isabella McKay". > > > > .- Ann Sutherland died on the 25th February 1920, Flotta. >------------------------------ >Message: 8 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 05:54:33 -0700 >From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] WALLS >To: orkney@rootsweb.com > >Hi Helen, > >Thank you. I, too, feel 99% sure that I have the "right" James >Walls in the 1821 Census; I just wanted someone familiar with the family to >perhaps 2nd or 3rd my judgment. > >- Lisa >PS: would you have any further info on Isabella McKay, re: her >parents, birthplace, when she died? > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:01:21 +0100 >From: "Helen Emberley" <helen.emberley@virgin.net> >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] WALLS >To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> > >Hello again Lisa > >Isabella MacKay (McKay) was born about 1798 at Farr in Sutherland. I >have been unable to find a baptism for her so far. According to the death >register her parents were Alexander McKay and Betsy Campbell. She >died on Flotta aged 82 on February 1st, 1880. Her mother, Betsy >McKay (Campbell) died on Flotta aged 95, 22 February 1862. The >death register confirms her as the widow of Alexander McKay, >fisherman. According to the 1861 census for Flotta, Betsy McKay was >also born at Farr in Sutherland. > >Hope this helps > >Helen > >

Thanks Mike, have just found reference to Adam in Appendix 2, Robert Earl of Orkney by Peter Anderson, don't know why I forgot this information anyway seems he went to Orkney and died there having spent most of his life in Scotland!...Now another question.....at the time did these people actually get buried inside the church?...often you see people of note buried in stone coffins inside etc or is this just show? and he was actually buried outside somewhere?... Cheers and thanks Bruce On 24/09/2008, at 8:49 PM, Mike Clouston wrote: > Bruce Stewart wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> apparently there is a "Stewart" aisle in St Magnus cathedral, >> Kirkwall? my question is does anyone have any information on this >> i.e. >> people buried there or plaques, inscriptions, photos etc...I would >> appreciate any information on this. >> >> I am trying to map out who was buried where during the "Earl >> Stewartry" period of Orkney and Shetland. >> >> Thanks from down under >> Bruce Stewart >> > > Don't know about a Stewart aisle but this is from my old guide book to > the cathedral: > "A number of tombstones stand against the inside walls. The majority > date from the seventeenth century, and the lettering on these is > usually > very good. The oldest tombstone is of the thirteenth century and > shows a > crows and a sword; it stands in the choir. > "The tombstone of Lord Adam Stewart has the Royal Arms of Scotland > and a > Latin inscription which says: 'Here lies Lord Adam Stewart, son of the > most illustrious prince James V King of Scots, who died on the > twentieth > day of June in the year of our Lord 1575'" > > -- > Regards > Mike Clouston > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, > Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello again Lisa Isabella MacKay (McKay) was born about 1798 at Farr in Sutherland. I have been unable to find a baptism for her so far. According to the death register her parents were Alexander McKay and Betsy Campbell. She died on Flotta aged 82 on February 1st, 1880. Her mother, Betsy McKay (Campbell) died on Flotta aged 95, 22 February 1862. The death register confirms her as the widow of Alexander McKay, fisherman. According to the 1861 census for Flotta, Betsy McKay was also born at Farr in Sutherland. Hope this helps Helen > >> > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, apparently there is a "Stewart" aisle in St Magnus cathedral, Kirkwall? my question is does anyone have any information on this i.e. people buried there or plaques, inscriptions, photos etc...I would appreciate any information on this. I am trying to map out who was buried where during the "Earl Stewartry" period of Orkney and Shetland. Thanks from down under Bruce Stewart

Here is a page with information on the burial places within St Magnus It may not be exactly what your looking for but makes interesting reading. http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_059/59_239_251.pdf I am sure that some of those plaques on the walls relate to Sinclair's, I tried to take some photographs when I was there but they never turned out. Willie Sinclair 2008/9/24 Mike Clouston <mcc@mikeclouston.co.uk>: > Bruce Stewart wrote: >> Thanks Mike, >> >> have just found reference to Adam in Appendix 2, Robert Earl of Orkney >> by Peter Anderson, don't know why >> I forgot this information anyway seems he went to Orkney and died >> there having spent most of his life in Scotland!...Now another >> question.....at the time did these people actually get buried inside >> the church?...often >> you see people of note buried in stone coffins inside etc or is this >> just show? and he was actually buried outside somewhere?... >> >> Cheers and thanks >> Bruce >> > > No idea where Adam, or any of the others whose tombstones are in the > Cathedral are buried. > What looks like a tomb for Dr. John Rae is just a memorial - he is > actually buried outside in the kirkyard. Until very recently his grave > and stone were sadly neglected. > Sorry! Not much help. > -- > Regards > Mike > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bruce Stewart wrote: > Thanks Mike, > > have just found reference to Adam in Appendix 2, Robert Earl of Orkney > by Peter Anderson, don't know why > I forgot this information anyway seems he went to Orkney and died > there having spent most of his life in Scotland!...Now another > question.....at the time did these people actually get buried inside > the church?...often > you see people of note buried in stone coffins inside etc or is this > just show? and he was actually buried outside somewhere?... > > Cheers and thanks > Bruce > No idea where Adam, or any of the others whose tombstones are in the Cathedral are buried. What looks like a tomb for Dr. John Rae is just a memorial - he is actually buried outside in the kirkyard. Until very recently his grave and stone were sadly neglected. Sorry! Not much help. -- Regards Mike

Bruce Stewart wrote: > Hi Folks, > > apparently there is a "Stewart" aisle in St Magnus cathedral, > Kirkwall? my question is does anyone have any information on this i.e. > people buried there or plaques, inscriptions, photos etc...I would > appreciate any information on this. > > I am trying to map out who was buried where during the "Earl > Stewartry" period of Orkney and Shetland. > > Thanks from down under > Bruce Stewart > Don't know about a Stewart aisle but this is from my old guide book to the cathedral: "A number of tombstones stand against the inside walls. The majority date from the seventeenth century, and the lettering on these is usually very good. The oldest tombstone is of the thirteenth century and shows a crows and a sword; it stands in the choir. "The tombstone of Lord Adam Stewart has the Royal Arms of Scotland and a Latin inscription which says: 'Here lies Lord Adam Stewart, son of the most illustrious prince James V King of Scots, who died on the twentieth day of June in the year of our Lord 1575'" -- Regards Mike Clouston

Hello Lisa I have this James Walls in my tree. Ann Sutherland was the sister of my 2xgrandfather Peter Sutherland. They were children of John Sutherland and Betsy Rorie. According to both the death register and the marriage register for his marriage to Ann Sutherland, James Walls parents were recorded as James Walls (fisherman) and Elizabeth Chalmers. I feel as sure as I can be, that the James Walls in Household No.34 in South Parish with John Rosie is he. Kind regards Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Conrad" <nisus00@earthlink.net> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: [ORKNEY] WALLS > Hello, > > In the 1821 So. Ronaldsay census, there is a James WALLS, age 14, at > Kingshouse (Household #34 in the South Parish). You will see he was with > a John, Helen and Margaret Rosie: > <http://www.southronaldsay.net/1821/notes/11,033-042-lconrad.html#34> > > I strongly suspect that this is the son James, of James WALLS and his > wife, Elspet CHALMERS. He was baptized 21st June 1807, South Parish of > So. Ronaldsay. Would anyone be able to confirm for me, that this James > Walls in that census household was indeed their son? I'd like to be > able to insert all the information that I've gathered for this James > (baptism, marriages, death), into my 1821 Census Notes, but I want to > feel more confident that I have the "right James", that is, that he was > the one in Household #34 in that 1821 census. > > James Walls and "Elspit" Chalmers can be located at the Flaws, South > Parish, Household #114 in the same census. > <http://www.southronaldsay.net/1821/notes/11,111-117-lconrad.html#114> > > > I believe I've traced James Walls (Junior-- b.1806/1807) to Walls & > Flotta, Orkney. > > .- His first marriage was to an Isabella McKAY on 9th January 1829, > Walls. > > .- (I am not sure yet when Isabella McKay died, but it was sometime > between 1829 and 1881. I do not know much about her.) > > .- His 2nd marriage, in 1881, was to Ann Sutherland, widow of Magnus > Mowat of Flotta. (Ann and Magnus married in Feb. 1860; sadly, in June of > 1860, Magnus and his uncle, also named Magnus Mowat, went down in a boat > in the Pentland Firth.) > > .- James Walls' death was on 18th October 1890, Flotta, being noted as > "about 85 years" old, and "Married to Ann Sutherland [widow of Magnus > Mowat, deceased] and formerly [married] to Isabella McKay". > > .- Ann Sutherland died on the 25th February 1920, Flotta. > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

A few years ago I wrote that I had seen a reference to Heddles being buried in the Cathedral. No one seemed to know about this. I have now found the reference again and am sending it with the mention of Heddles and Fletts. Perhaps this article will also mention other burials there. Vol.56 (1921-22) Some Observations regarding the Use of Armorial Bearings by the Native Families of Orkney (Trail, 301-18) http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_056/56_301_320.pdf A plan of the floor of the west end of St Magnus Cathedral dated 1769 shows that practically the whole of this floor space had been apportioned as burial-places to various families. The name of Flett does not appear on this plan, but from another plan dated 1808, to which is attached a list of burials from 1792 to 1824, we learn that three interments were made in or near a vacant space situated between the burial-places assigned on the older plan to the families of Elphinstone and Traill of Quendale. These are William Heddle in the year 1794, and Mrs Flett and John Heddle in the year 1801. The last mentioned may doubtless be identified as John Heddle, Town-Clerk of Kirkwall, who in 1772 married Elizabeth Flett, and "Mrs Flett" was probably his mother-in-law. Margaret VanAuker mvanauker@hughes.net

Hi Helen, Thank you. I, too, feel 99% sure that I have the "right" James Walls in the 1821 Census; I just wanted someone familiar with the family to perhaps 2nd or 3rd my judgment. - Lisa PS: would you have any further info on Isabella McKay, re: her parents, birthplace, when she died? >