Hello to all Listers (with apologies for cross-postings). I'm back from my little hiatus, and have been lurking for a few days. I'm using a new e-mail address, so if you regularly correspond with me off-List please change your address book to read: kenharrison(forty-three)@shaw.ca [where "(forty-three)" should be replaced with "43"; this done to foil address harvesters] Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GREAVES Yorkshire > London GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa SPENCE Orkney FOTHERINGHAM Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) MORRISON Islay > Ontario BAIRD Renfrew THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario McNABB Islay > Ontario MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

Original message from "Ian & Margaret Kelly" <imkelly@hotkey.net.au>: > I would like to hear from anyone who is researching or knows anything about a Thomas CRAIGIE or his wife Annie RANDELL.< Ian: When I first looked at your message, I thought you had your vowels mixed and that you should be looking for REndAll. A quick look in the IGI showed an 1839 marriage for Thomas Craigie and Doughlas Rendale 27 December in Rousay, Orkney. Might want to check them out in the 1841/51 census. ecunningham@att.net researching RENDALL in Westray.

Lisa asked: > I've run across a birth register in 1880, South Ronaldsay, that shows > two parents having married in "Hartford, America", May 26th, 1879. Lisa: Sure it says Hartford?? IGI shows a marriage in Harrisburg, Dauphin, Pennsylvania on that date. However, no Source is listed. Best known Hartford is in Connecticut--several states away. ecunningham@att.net

> Yep, it says Hartford - definitely. Most definitely! > Of course that's Connecticut. > > "Hartford America". That's what this birth register says. > > I cannot offer any ideas toward your input about Harrisburg, PA. > Sorry. Just to say that this register differs from any IGI info.

I've run across a birth register in 1880, South Ronaldsay, that shows two parents having married in "Hartford, America", May 26th, 1879. Firstly, I'd like to try to verify that marriage date and place. But I'd also like to know -- which Barbara Gunn was this? Who were her parents? This family seems to disappear from Orkney after this birth was registered. One would infer they went back to America, but I haven't searched all of Scotland for them, post-1880 (as there are quite a few Daltons outwith Orkney and I don't want to spend too many credits on ScotlandsPeople just yet... until I might find out more clues). Any ideas, anyone? Anyone connected to this family? Just trying to track So. Ronaldsay strays. ----- newborn: James William Gunn *DALTON*, born at Berriedale, So Ronaldsay, 28th April 1880. parents: James *DALTON*, "House Painter, Journeyman" & his wife, Barbara *GUNN*. ----- Thank you, Lisa

Hi Cathy Thanks anyway, it was worth a try Lynette....Qld Australia -----Original Message----- From: orkney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orkney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gresercher@aol.com Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2008 11:08 PM To: orkney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Granny's House [ The Ruff] St Margaret's Hope Hi Lynette, I don't have any Johnstons on my Budge tree, not even a wee branch, sorry Cathy Hi Cathy Do you have a Margaret Budge married to George Johnston 1789 at Sandwick South Ronaldsay as they are my 3 x Great Grandparents. If you have, would be interested to hear from you Lynette Crocker.....Qld Australia ------------------ List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cathy Do you have a Margaret Budge married to George Johnston 1789 at Sandwick South Ronaldsay as they are my 3 x Great Grandparents. If you have, would be interested to hear from you Lynette Crocker.....Qld Australia -----Original Message----- From: orkney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orkney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gresercher@aol.com Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2008 12:56 AM To: orkney@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY] Granny's House [ The Ruff] St Margaret's Hope Hi Everyone, I am researching my Budge family from Southronaldsay, my Granny Budge lived at the "Ruff" just along the shore from the pier, [1950's] I wonder if there is a really kind person on the list who might be able to take a photo of the house for me, if so please contact me at _Gresercher@aol.com_ (mailto:Gresercher@aol.com) Thank you all for taking the time to read my message and hopefully someone will help. Cathy ------------------ List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynette, Me thinks I was a bit to hasty in replying to your question, do you happen to know who the parents of your Margaret Budge were? Maybe we will have a connection there. Hi Cathy Do you have a Margaret Budge married to George Johnston 1789 at Sandwick South Ronaldsay as they are my 3 x Great Grandparents. If you have, would be interested to hear from you Lynette Crocker.....Qld Australia

Hi Lynette, I don't have any Johnstons on my Budge tree, not even a wee branch, sorry Cathy Hi Cathy Do you have a Margaret Budge married to George Johnston 1789 at Sandwick South Ronaldsay as they are my 3 x Great Grandparents. If you have, would be interested to hear from you Lynette Crocker.....Qld Australia

Oops, I forgot to say Granny lived in St Margaret's Hope, Southronaldsay Hi Everyone, I am researching my Budge family from Southronaldsay, my Granny Budge lived at the "Ruff" just along the shore from the pier, [1950's] I wonder if there is a really kind person on the list who might be able to take a photo of the house for me, if so please contact me at _Gresercher@aol.com_ (mailto:Gresercher@aol.com) Thank you all for taking the time to read my message and hopefully someone will help. Cathy

Hi Everyone, I am researching my Budge family from Southronaldsay, my Granny Budge lived at the "Ruff" just along the shore from the pier, [1950's] I wonder if there is a really kind person on the list who might be able to take a photo of the house for me, if so please contact me at _Gresercher@aol.com_ (mailto:Gresercher@aol.com) Thank you all for taking the time to read my message and hopefully someone will help. Cathy

Hi List I would be interested to hear if anyone has any info on William Sinclair & Isabella Cromarty married about 1781 Burray, South Ronaldsay As they are my 4 x great grandparents. Lynette Crocker Qld Aust

Does anyone have any information on the John Sinclair born 1768 in this family. Parents John Sinclair and Barbara Maxwell Children all born in Kirkwall: William Sinclair born 29 Oct 1764 Elisabeth Sinclair born 14 Jan 1766 John Sinclair born 02 May 1768 Ann Sinclair born 22 Oct 1770 Barbara Sinclair born 17 Jan 1775 Margaret Sinclair born 19 Feb 1778 died before 1782 Margaret Sinclair born 23 July 1782 Thanks Willie Sinclair

Yeah well, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story..... Bruce :o) > And do you have any idea where Kvenland is supposed to be?? > > Never mind.... it's in what is now Finland and the link if indeed it exist > would have to come through Earl Rognvald who was born in 830 and died in > 890. > > but then the place I found that out has THE Robert the Bruce in the line > too. > > http://www.kvenland.com/ > > how likely do we think that is lol? I do notice that the preceding person > in > the "lineage" dies the year or in one case years?? before the next one was > born.. the herring in this case stink > > Wikipedia says that the term King of Kvenland is only documented in one > saga > i.e. Egil's and Kvenland is mentioned in the Orkneyinga and Hversu Noregr > byggdist saga's > > Maryann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> > To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:39 PM > Subject: [ORKNEY] King In Kvenland > > >>I have seen the most remarkable tree which goes from John Sinclair >> married to Helen Barbara Annal all the way back to King In Kvenland in >> the year abt 220. >> >> Now there is no information which verifies any of this data, so how >> reliable it is I do not know. If anyone would like to see it I will >> try and get a gedcom or some sort of print. >> >> Willie Sinclair >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I loved it, I could imagine the tree owner saying to themselves, "I read it in a comic, so it must be true, yip it goes in my tree". There is also one case where the son is older than the father. Willie 2008/10/1 <m.rosie@shaw.ca>: > And do you have any idea where Kvenland is supposed to be?? > > Never mind.... it's in what is now Finland and the link if indeed it exist > would have to come through Earl Rognvald who was born in 830 and died in > 890. > > but then the place I found that out has THE Robert the Bruce in the line > too. > > http://www.kvenland.com/ > > how likely do we think that is lol? I do notice that the preceding person in > the "lineage" dies the year or in one case years?? before the next one was > born.. the herring in this case stink > > Wikipedia says that the term King of Kvenland is only documented in one saga > i.e. Egil's and Kvenland is mentioned in the Orkneyinga and Hversu Noregr > byggdist saga's > > Maryann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> > To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:39 PM > Subject: [ORKNEY] King In Kvenland > > >>I have seen the most remarkable tree which goes from John Sinclair >> married to Helen Barbara Annal all the way back to King In Kvenland in >> the year abt 220. >> >> Now there is no information which verifies any of this data, so how >> reliable it is I do not know. If anyone would like to see it I will >> try and get a gedcom or some sort of print. >> >> Willie Sinclair >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have seen the most remarkable tree which goes from John Sinclair married to Helen Barbara Annal all the way back to King In Kvenland in the year abt 220. Now there is no information which verifies any of this data, so how reliable it is I do not know. If anyone would like to see it I will try and get a gedcom or some sort of print. Willie Sinclair

And do you have any idea where Kvenland is supposed to be?? Never mind.... it's in what is now Finland and the link if indeed it exist would have to come through Earl Rognvald who was born in 830 and died in 890. but then the place I found that out has THE Robert the Bruce in the line too. http://www.kvenland.com/ how likely do we think that is lol? I do notice that the preceding person in the "lineage" dies the year or in one case years?? before the next one was born.. the herring in this case stink Wikipedia says that the term King of Kvenland is only documented in one saga i.e. Egil's and Kvenland is mentioned in the Orkneyinga and Hversu Noregr byggdist saga's Maryann ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: [ORKNEY] King In Kvenland >I have seen the most remarkable tree which goes from John Sinclair > married to Helen Barbara Annal all the way back to King In Kvenland in > the year abt 220. > > Now there is no information which verifies any of this data, so how > reliable it is I do not know. If anyone would like to see it I will > try and get a gedcom or some sort of print. > > Willie Sinclair > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I would like to hear from anyone who is researching or knows anything about a Thomas CRAIGIE or his wife Annie RANDELL. Thomas was a ship owner, according to his son Thomas's marriage certificate when he married in 1862 in Australia. Thank you Ian Kelly Queensland, Australia

G'day Lisa and Cathy, I have an interest in the Stewarts of South Ronaldsay: I go back to Alexander Stewart and Margaret Anderson. I would be interested in knowing about the children of James McDonald and Margaret Stewart in case I ever do prove that Margaret's Grandfather John is a brother of my Alexander. The Scottish Deaths Indexes confirm Margaret's death in South Ronaldsay in 1922. Stewart, Margaret Wishart 66 South Ronaldsay 22. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Wagner To: orkney@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] McDONALD STEWART Lisa Yes they married in London, I have a copy of the marriage cert They also moved to Australia for a bit And James died a sea......I have his death record tho James MacDonald born Jan 18 1847 Burray, Orkney married Margaret Wishart Stewart March 30 1877 at St. George in the East, London England She was born Oct 6 1855 at Hall, South Ronaldsay He died at sea June 21, 1906, on his way back to Scotland from Australia She died 1922 (only have the stone) St. Margarets Hope Did you want the kids too Lisa?? Cathy

Hurrah for Stroma !!! Isabella ----- Original Message ----- From: William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:20 am Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] James Sinclair born 1805 - 1856 To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Hi Charlie > > That being the case then this may not be her. William Sinclair was > born in Harray and I would suspect his sister was too. > > However their are far wiser heads than mine on this list who > will know > the answer. > > Willie > > 2008/9/27 Charlie Petersen <charliep@cablespeed.com>: > > Hi Willie - > > I think you might be right, Mary Sinclair and John Laird were > originally> from Stroma, Canisbay, Caithness and moved over to > Burray to be near son > > Andrew Laird and daughter Jean (Jane) Laird Bremner. They are > buried in > > Burray churchyard. Thank you for the info. > > > > Charlie Anne Petersen > > Port Townsend WA USA > > > > ------------------ > > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, > Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, > Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >