Willie, Sydney Bichan died in Orphir in 2006 and his widow died earlier this year. Two of his sons live in Orphir and his daughter lives in Evie. I am sure that they would be most interested in Certificate. I do not have a current address to hand but Sydney was my brother-in-law's step-brother in law!! I can certainly try and put you in touch with the family. Regards Bruce Gorie Edinburgh On 30/10/2008, William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I have a photograph of Samuel Reid born Orkney 26 June 1904 and James > Robert Smith born Harray 08 May 1891. > > I also have Royal Aero Club Aviators certificates for both of the above. > > I also have Royal Aero Club Aviators certificate for Sydney Bichan > born Orphir 26 Aug 1917. > > If you are related and would like these please let me know and I will send > them. > > Willie Sinclair > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

If you can find an address I will gladly print it out and send it to them. Willie 2008/10/30 B Gorie <bruce.gorie@sky.com>: > Willie, > > Sydney Bichan died in Orphir in 2006 and his widow died earlier this year. > Two of his sons live in Orphir and his daughter lives in Evie. I am sure > that they would be most interested in Certificate. I do not have a current > address to hand but Sydney was my brother-in-law's step-brother in law!! I > can certainly try and put you in touch with the family. > > Regards > > Bruce Gorie > Edinburgh > > On 30/10/2008, William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> I have a photograph of Samuel Reid born Orkney 26 June 1904 and James >> Robert Smith born Harray 08 May 1891. >> >> I also have Royal Aero Club Aviators certificates for both of the above. >> >> I also have Royal Aero Club Aviators certificate for Sydney Bichan >> born Orphir 26 Aug 1917. >> >> If you are related and would like these please let me know and I will send >> them. >> >> Willie Sinclair >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I seem to be having a very bad run in attempting to locate Orkney marriages in the period 1750 to 1850 in the Old Parish Records. At the moment I am scoring well below 50%, and probably below 25%, even of those for whom later records (of baptisms) indicate that the parents were married. Is this a case of lost records, although the gaps are not apparent, just bad record keeping, although the baptisms seem to be much better, or were there just a high percentage of marriages by habit and repute? Robert Slater

I have a photograph of Samuel Reid born Orkney 26 June 1904 and James Robert Smith born Harray 08 May 1891. I also have Royal Aero Club Aviators certificates for both of the above. I also have Royal Aero Club Aviators certificate for Sydney Bichan born Orphir 26 Aug 1917. If you are related and would like these please let me know and I will send them. Willie Sinclair

What names are you looking for? Have you tried Walt Cusiter's site or Lisa Conrad's site at SouthRonaldsay.net Willie Sinclair 2008/10/30 Robert SLATER <rsla8999@bigpond.net.au>: > I seem to be having a very bad run in attempting to locate Orkney marriages > in the period 1750 to 1850 in the Old Parish Records. At the moment I am > scoring well below 50%, and probably below 25%, even of those for whom later > records (of baptisms) indicate that the parents were married. > > Is this a case of lost records, although the gaps are not apparent, > > just bad record keeping, although the baptisms seem to be much better, or > > were there just a high percentage of marriages by habit and repute? > > Robert Slater > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Christine Stone I have been looking at your Margaret MacDonald........I am really at a loss as well The only MacDonald's in South Ronaldsay .....well there in 1820 were my MacDonalds', William and Elizabeth and family Now fifteen years earlier...........who knows, I am sure there were a lot of families flittering around due to the clearances in Sutherland and Caithness I know of an Angus MacDonald who had a couple of kids in the Orkney but was settled in Sutherland......time frame you are looking for as well, I think there were men that were fishermen that may have been here and there by times, and in good weather maybe the family went along? Now one thing I would like to know is how do you know that this Margaret MacDonald was born in South Ronaldsay? Have you gotten a death certificate on her? Any clues there? I know England did not usually put parents in on deaths so that might be for not. I guess one more question I might have for you is what is the child line up? It might give us a clue on parent names if they followed the rule of naming children in that time frame. Cathy Wagner

Would like to find more re ; Barbara ANNAL (b abt 1753-d 17 Apr 1833) and her husband John SINCLAIR (1752?-d Aft 1821) married abt 1775 at Sandwick, South Ronaldsay, had 6 children: John abt 1778, Barbara 1780?, Betty 1786?, Anne 1786, James (18 Jul 1789), Isabella.1795? BLAKE ALLAN

While visiting the library in Glasgow, trying to find my elusive Sinclair's I came across two parish relief records which should be useful to someone: John Sinclair residing at 109 Dale St, Glasgow, name on door Mitchell age 53 (This changes) Application number 107488 date applied for medical relief (what we would call Incapacity Benefit today), 12/01/1909 at 11.30 am. Place of Birth Kirkwall. Parents, Robert Sinclair, Blacksmith, Dead and Jessie Garrioch, afterwards the wife of John Mitchell, Clerk, Dead. Religion: Protestant Single Trade: Hammerman Partly Disabled First application for medical relief. Inspectors report: 13/01/1909 John Sinclair age 51 residing at 109 Dale St, Tradeston, Glasgow, Born in Kirkwall the illegitimate son of Robert Sinclair, Blacksmith and Jessie Garrioch. She is the widow of John Mitchell, writer and resides at 109 Dale St. He has resided at this address for 14 years with his mother, who corroborates this by providing rent receipts for the last 4 years. Settlement in Govan Parish. Certified as having Cardiac Disease. Currently in no benefits levy, has no means, residing with mother and applies for medical relief. Signed William Steel. John was certified unfit for work bt a Doctor Taylor of 74 Nelson St. Glasgow, on 11/01/09. =================================================================== Peter Sinclair residing at 16 Crawford St, Glasgow. Application number 132687 made on 06/06/1911. Place of birth Stromness Parents John Sinclair, a farmer and Janet Fraser both dead. Married to Helen Webster, aged 40 born Dundee. Married 15/01/1901 at 7 Clark St, Kilmarnock. Wifes parents William Webster , a commercial traveller and Helen Linklater, both dead. Family: Grace age 17 born South Tottenham, London. she is a single woman and is idle. Peter born 09/03/1901 at 7 Clark St, Kilmarnock. John born 03/10/1903 at 4 (unreadable) Bay, Kilmarnock. Martha born 24/06/1905 at 83 Low Glencairn St, Kilmarnock. Allan born 17/12/1910 at 16 Crawford St, Partick, Glasgow. Living at present address for 4 years. Condition gastro intestinal catarch. Parish: Govan Inspectors remarks: Off work since last Saturday lifted 30 Shillings in Wages. In poorhouse for treatment 09/06/1911, left 10/06/1911. Awarded 6 shillings per week. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I hope this is useful for someone. Willie Sinclair

Thank you for sharing this information, Mr. Sinclair. Happy hunting! Dennice Goudie (descendant of James Goudie - born Stromness and sailed with/served H.B.C. to N.A. via Stromness, Orkney before retiring until his death on Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada) William Sinclair wrote: While visiting the library in Glasgow, trying to find my elusive Sinclair's I came across two parish relief records which should be useful to someone: John Sinclair residing at 109 Dale St, Glasgow, name on door Mitchell age 53 (This changes) <SNIP> =================================================================== Peter Sinclair residing at 16 Crawford St, Glasgow. <SNIP>

Hi Cathy Yes I think I have them all. I will e-mail them to you. Willie 2008/10/27 Cathy Wagner <wagnerc@ebtech.net>: > William > > Do you have pictures of the gravestones of my Sinclair line?? > > Peter Sinclair who married Sinclair Anderson > and their children > John, James, William, Robert, Peter, Alexander and Sinclair?? > > I would love to have copies of their stones if you wouldnt mind > > Mail to > wagnerc@ebtech.net > > Cathy > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would be grateful if anyone could provide an answer to the following. I have an Anne Sinclair born 15 July 1827 to John Sinclair and Barbara Cromarty. She never married and died 27 Aug 1910 in East End St Margarets Hope. Her death registry states that she was a pauper. I do not think she had any siblings living in South Ronaldsay at the time she died. It was the undertaker who registered the death. My question is if she was a pauper when she died, where is she likely to have been buried and would there be a marker for her grave. I have taken photographs of the Sinclair headstones in St Peters South Ronaldsay and she is not mentioned on any of the stones there. It would be a shame if she was unrecognised. William Sinclair

William Oh Thankyou very much!! Cathy

William Do you have pictures of the gravestones of my Sinclair line?? Peter Sinclair who married Sinclair Anderson and their children John, James, William, Robert, Peter, Alexander and Sinclair?? I would love to have copies of their stones if you wouldnt mind Mail to wagnerc@ebtech.net Cathy

Lisa, One of your books can be found at: http://www.antiqbook.co.uk/boox/vct/books56000.shtml TUDOR, JOHN R. - The Orkneys and Shetland, Their Past and Present State with Chapters on Geology and Notes on the Flora of the Orkneys and Notes on the Flora of Shetland. London, Edward Stanford, 1883, 1st Edition. Hb , 8vo. HB, Ex-Library, cracked hinge, foxing, stain to back cover, G. Offered for GBP 179.55 = appr. US$ 357.30 by: The Victoria Bookshop - Book number: 90020428 Rosemary (Au) -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lisa Conrad" <nisus00@earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:50 AM To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Christian Sinclair > Hhm. Seems familiar. So, - maybe I've seen it? > > > Anyway, the "Authorities and Aids" web page has some goodies. > > If anyone has, or might run across, a copy of any of the following, > please let me know: > :-) > > - CLOUSTON, M.D., The Rev. Charles - "Guide to the Orkney Islands" > Edinburgh, 1862 > > > - EDMONDSTON, Thomas - "An Etymological Glossary of the Shetland and > Orkney Dialect, with some derivations of names of places in Shetland" > Edinburgh, 1866 > Publisher: A. and C. Black (1866) ASIN: B0006AG0R6 > > > - TUDOR, John R. - "The Orkneys and Shetland: their Past and Present > State. " > London, 1883 > Publisher: E. Stanford; [etc., etc.] (1883) ASIN: B0008596H0 > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 > 9:27 AM >

Hi Lisa I have found where I downloaded the PDF. http://www.archive.org/details/orkneysshetlandt00tudo The above link is direct to the book TUDOR, JOHN R. - The Orkneys and Shetland, Their Past and Present State However if you type Orkney in the search bar and leave it at American Libraries you will get a list of other Orkney books that have been digitised and can be downloaded. They are all free and not in copyright. Willie 2008/10/26 Peter and Rosmary Lawson <palawson@netspace.net.au>: > Lisa, > One of your books can be found at: > http://www.antiqbook.co.uk/boox/vct/books56000.shtml > TUDOR, JOHN R. - The Orkneys and Shetland, Their Past and Present State with > Chapters on Geology and Notes on the Flora of the Orkneys and Notes on the > Flora of Shetland. London, Edward Stanford, 1883, 1st Edition. Hb , 8vo. > HB, Ex-Library, cracked hinge, foxing, stain to back cover, G. > > Offered for GBP 179.55 = appr. US$ 357.30 by: The Victoria Bookshop - Book > number: 90020428 > > Rosemary (Au) > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lisa Conrad" <nisus00@earthlink.net> > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:50 AM > To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Christian Sinclair > >> Hhm. Seems familiar. So, - maybe I've seen it? >> >> >> Anyway, the "Authorities and Aids" web page has some goodies. >> >> If anyone has, or might run across, a copy of any of the following, >> please let me know: >> :-) >> >> - CLOUSTON, M.D., The Rev. Charles - "Guide to the Orkney Islands" >> Edinburgh, 1862 >> >> >> - EDMONDSTON, Thomas - "An Etymological Glossary of the Shetland and >> Orkney Dialect, with some derivations of names of places in Shetland" >> Edinburgh, 1866 >> Publisher: A. and C. Black (1866) ASIN: B0006AG0R6 >> >> >> - TUDOR, John R. - "The Orkneys and Shetland: their Past and Present >> State. " >> London, 1883 >> Publisher: E. Stanford; [etc., etc.] (1883) ASIN: B0008596H0 >> >> >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 >> 9:27 AM >> > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes 60 years old as well. have you seen this e-book, about the Sinclairs and information about the other Orkney family names. http://uk.geocities.com/fnsnclr@btinternet.com/genealogy/Isles/index.htm. I bet you have. Willie 2008/10/26 Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net>: > Yikes, Willie! > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From a book of Scottish executions. December 29th 1813, Christian Sinclair "60-year-old Orcadian tried at Edinburgh for poisoning her 8-month-old niece with arsenic in the parish of St Ola, she was brought from Kirkwall to Leith on the Excise Cutter, Prince of Wales. Carried to the scaffold on a chair her `poor and mean looking´body was afterwards given for dissection." Executioner: John High, Edinburgh Willie Sinclair

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Ah, yes! Our old friend, the Internet Archives web site. :-) Thanks, Willie! >

Hhm. Seems familiar. So, - maybe I've seen it? Anyway, the "Authorities and Aids" web page has some goodies. If anyone has, or might run across, a copy of any of the following, please let me know: :-) - CLOUSTON, M.D., The Rev. Charles - "Guide to the Orkney Islands" Edinburgh, 1862 - EDMONDSTON, Thomas - "An Etymological Glossary of the Shetland and Orkney Dialect, with some derivations of names of places in Shetland" Edinburgh, 1866 Publisher: A. and C. Black (1866) ASIN: B0006AG0R6 - TUDOR, John R. - "The Orkneys and Shetland: their Past and Present State. " London, 1883 Publisher: E. Stanford; [etc., etc.] (1883) ASIN: B0008596H0