Hi- It never dawned on me to look for long-ago relatives from Orkney in the Hudsons Bay Co archives http://www.gov.mb.ca:80/chc/archives/hbca/biographical/index.html because my THOMAS THOMSON and ELIZABETH BURGAR emigrated to Nova Scotia ca 1810 and we have no family tradition of links with the HBC- however, some of Thomas' sibling- notably bro JOHN THOMSON of Papa Westray and later Kirkwall- may have had offspring work for the HBC- wondering if anyone can help with parents/siblings of : JOHN A THOMSON- from South Ronaldsay, started w/ HBC 1850 died in western Canada. JOHN C THOMSON from South Ronaldsay, joined HBC 1867 JOHN THOMSON from S. Ronaldsay, joined HBC 1863 died 1864. JOHN D THOMSON from S Ronaldsay, joined HBC 1876. Also- Where is Milster House in Orkney ? HBC records have a JAMES THOMSON who started work with HBC in 1770, was stranded on ice floe and died 1772. Thanks, Dutch Thompson in PEI Canada

Dutch, Just speculating here, but could Milster House be Melsetter House? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission. -----Original Message----- From: orkney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:orkney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of R.A.(Dutch) Thompson Sent: December 17, 2008 11:42 AM To: orkney@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY] THOMSONs & HBC Hi- It never dawned on me to look for long-ago relatives from Orkney in the Hudsons Bay Co archives http://www.gov.mb.ca:80/chc/archives/hbca/biographical/index.html because my THOMAS THOMSON and ELIZABETH BURGAR emigrated to Nova Scotia ca 1810 and we have no family tradition of links with the HBC- however, some of Thomas' sibling- notably bro JOHN THOMSON of Papa Westray and later Kirkwall- may have had offspring work for the HBC- wondering if anyone can help with parents/siblings of : JOHN A THOMSON- from South Ronaldsay, started w/ HBC 1850 died in western Canada. JOHN C THOMSON from South Ronaldsay, joined HBC 1867 JOHN THOMSON from S. Ronaldsay, joined HBC 1863 died 1864. JOHN D THOMSON from S Ronaldsay, joined HBC 1876. Also- Where is Milster House in Orkney ? HBC records have a JAMES THOMSON who started work with HBC in 1770, was stranded on ice floe and died 1772. Thanks, Dutch Thompson in PEI Canada ------------------ List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's a pity that the auction description doesn't give any indication of the contents of the letter. I can't read any of it from the picture on eBay, apart from a few words: http://tinyurl.com/6ejg44 Norman T.

I saw the following being sold on e-bay SCOTLAND: Orkneys. Envelope with 4 page letter from David Balfour at Cliffdale, envelope franked by 4 margin 1d red , 207 Kirkwall cancellation, and KIRKWALL, EDINBURGH, BERWICK, BELFORD and CHATTON udc to reverse. The letter is dated 1846. Current price is £4.99 with two days to go. I am sure it will be of interest to someone on the list. Willie Sinclair

Hi Norman This is the information I have Lisa has it as Eastside Kirkhouse and I bow to her knowledge on this. John on the 1821 Census Lisa Conrad has transcribed the 1821 Census with the following information: John was a farmer living at 186 Kirkhouse with his wife Ann Guthrie and his family. They had 4 sons that are known of, John aged 31 a fisherman, who later married Barbara Cromarty, William aged 20 a carpenter, whom I can find no trace of after this date. Peter aged 29 , also a carpenter later married Sinclair Anderson and James aged 17, who later married Isabella Anderson, who was the sister of Sinclair Anderson. They also had a daughter Ann living with them at this time, whom I can find no trace of after 1841. ---------------------------------------------------- John on 1841 Census Name: Jno (John) Sinclair Age: 75 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1766 Gender: Male Where born: Orkney and Shetland, Scotland Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay St Peters County: Orkney and Shetland Address: Kirkhouse Occupation: Ind Household Members: Name Age Catharine Brown 45 W Brown 10 Ann Sinclair 75 Ann Sinclair 40 Jno Sinclair 75 Willie Sinclair 2008/12/13 Norman Tulloch <norman@nwtulloch.vispa.com>: > I assume it's this Kirkhouse that you're referring to, Willie: > > http://tinyurl.com/69op5a > > In "The Place-Names of South Ronaldsay & Burray", Gregor Lamb says of > it, "Paplay 1841; occupied; private house adjacent to St Peter's Kirk." > > St Peter's Kirk is marked with a cross on the map. Of Paplay, Lamb > says,"Papley/Paplay a district; ON [Old Norse] Papyli = Papa-byli; ON > papi priest; byli place of residence; compare Papdale in Kirkwall and > Papa Westray; St Peter's Kirk was established in Papley and gave the > name 'St Peter's' to the whole of what is now North Parish." > > The other Kirkhouse in South Ronaldsay is this one: > > http://tinyurl.com/623wzz > > However, I don't think that's the one you're interested in. > > Norman T. > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I assume it's this Kirkhouse that you're referring to, Willie: http://tinyurl.com/69op5a In "The Place-Names of South Ronaldsay & Burray", Gregor Lamb says of it, "Paplay 1841; occupied; private house adjacent to St Peter's Kirk." St Peter's Kirk is marked with a cross on the map. Of Paplay, Lamb says,"Papley/Paplay a district; ON [Old Norse] Papyli = Papa-byli; ON papi priest; byli place of residence; compare Papdale in Kirkwall and Papa Westray; St Peter's Kirk was established in Papley and gave the name 'St Peter's' to the whole of what is now North Parish." The other Kirkhouse in South Ronaldsay is this one: http://tinyurl.com/623wzz However, I don't think that's the one you're interested in. Norman T.

The furthest records of my Sinclair family are that they were living in Kirkhouse Eatside South Ronaldsay in 1821. Was Kirkhouse an area or farm in the Eastside or was it the Kirhouse itself. Willie Sinclair

This info regarding Yorstons in NS and nearby Prince Edward Island appeared recently in The Island Register. I am not connected to this family but know some descendants still living on PEI. http://www.islandregister.com/yorstonhistory.html cheers Thompson in PEI searching THOMSON/BURGAR/COOPER in Westray & Papa W.

Thanks James, I'll put the data in a tree and see where it takes me.... Cheers from down under Bruce Stewart bruce@brucestewart.com.au www.brucestewart.com.au On 09/12/2008, at 11:30 PM, James Irvine wrote: > Roland Sinclair's "Orcadian Families", not the most reliable of > sources, has > under "Stewart of Burray": > > William Stewart of Mains, fl.1637 (and evidently 1654), 2nd son of > Alexander > Stewart 5th of Garlies and Christian, dau. of Sir William Douglas of > Drumlanrig, married Barbara, dau. and heir of James Stewart of > Burray, son > of Henry Stewart of Buchlivie and Janet McLeod (died a.1625). Their > children included: > - James Stewart, yr of Mains, who was tutor to bairns of Rev.Walter > Stewart > of Masseter, > whom I identifed as the writer of the texts reproduced in my book > "Blaeu's > Orkneys and Schetland"; > - Henry, -1645, fought under Montrose; > - William of Mains, fl. 1667; adjutant to Montrose at Philipaugh; and > - Sir Archibald Stewart of Burray, who succeeded; supported > Montrose, thrice > captured, thrice escaped; created baronet 1687, died 1689. Married > 1st > Isobel Murray, 2nd servantrix Katherine Rowsay. Son by 1st: > - Sir Archibald , -1704, married Margaret Stewart. Son: > - Sir James Stewart of Burray, 3rd Baronet, who murdererd Capt. > Moodie of > Melsetter in Broad St. in 1725, and died in gao; in Southwark while > awaiting > trial as a Jocobite. > > James Irvine. > > >> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:06:11 +1100 >> From: Bruce Stewart <bruce@brucestewart.com.au> >> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] William Stewart of Maynes >> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <E86F4370-F8DC-410A-B324- >> D3DBDCF7CC92@brucestewart.com.au> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> in "The "New History of Orkney" , WPL Thompson, page 317 there is >> mention >> of a William Stewart of Maynes passing property to his son in >> 1654!.... >> >> Does anybody have any information about these Stewarts? i.e. the sons >> name >> or William Stewart's father?.... >> >> Cheers from downunder... >> >> Bruce Stewart >> bruce@brucestewart.com.au >> www.brucestewart.com.au >> >> > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, > Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I have been asked by a friend for some information surrounding the North Ronaldsay clearances in the 1800's. I have to admit complete ignorance in this. I would be grateful if someone could provide any insight to what happened or provide details of where I could find some information. Willie Sinclair

Hi all I am hoping someone can assist me with the following. I am looking for the parents and any other information of John Sinclair who had a child with Helen Walls born abt 1861 in South Ronaldsay, they were unmarried. In 1861 Helen was living at Lythes. The childs name was John Sinclair who later married Margaret Flaws Sinclair. I would also appreciate any information on Helen, if and who she married. Any assistance appreciated. Willie Sinclair

Roland Sinclair's "Orcadian Families", not the most reliable of sources, has under "Stewart of Burray": William Stewart of Mains, fl.1637 (and evidently 1654), 2nd son of Alexander Stewart 5th of Garlies and Christian, dau. of Sir William Douglas of Drumlanrig, married Barbara, dau. and heir of James Stewart of Burray, son of Henry Stewart of Buchlivie and Janet McLeod (died a.1625). Their children included: - James Stewart, yr of Mains, who was tutor to bairns of Rev.Walter Stewart of Masseter, whom I identifed as the writer of the texts reproduced in my book "Blaeu's Orkneys and Schetland"; - Henry, -1645, fought under Montrose; - William of Mains, fl. 1667; adjutant to Montrose at Philipaugh; and - Sir Archibald Stewart of Burray, who succeeded; supported Montrose, thrice captured, thrice escaped; created baronet 1687, died 1689. Married 1st Isobel Murray, 2nd servantrix Katherine Rowsay. Son by 1st: - Sir Archibald , -1704, married Margaret Stewart. Son: - Sir James Stewart of Burray, 3rd Baronet, who murdererd Capt. Moodie of Melsetter in Broad St. in 1725, and died in gao; in Southwark while awaiting trial as a Jocobite. James Irvine. > Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 06:06:11 +1100 > From: Bruce Stewart <bruce@brucestewart.com.au> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] William Stewart of Maynes > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <E86F4370-F8DC-410A-B324-D3DBDCF7CC92@brucestewart.com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi Folks, > > in "The "New History of Orkney" , WPL Thompson, page 317 there is > mention > of a William Stewart of Maynes passing property to his son in 1654!.... > > Does anybody have any information about these Stewarts? i.e. the sons > name > or William Stewart's father?.... > > Cheers from downunder... > > Bruce Stewart > bruce@brucestewart.com.au > www.brucestewart.com.au > >

Hi Folks, in "The "New History of Orkney" , WPL Thompson, page 317 there is mention of a William Stewart of Maynes passing property to his son in 1654!.... Does anybody have any information about these Stewarts? i.e. the sons name or William Stewart's father?.... Cheers from downunder... Bruce Stewart bruce@brucestewart.com.au www.brucestewart.com.au

born c 1879 on South Ronaldsay s/o James Rosie and Jane Duncan in 1901 he is a draper's assistant in Woolich, London working for a large firm owned by Sidney Cuff Maryann

I would like to give another try to contact the person who bought the Sinclair Bible a couple of years ago from the Auction Mart. I would appreciate if they would get in contact with me regarding the bible. It would be much appreciated. Willie Sinclair

> message from "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: > I am not sure if I have posted these before, but I think there is more > information this time. > > First Name: Minnie > Last Name: Sinclair > Ethnicity: England, Scotch > Last Place of Residence: Kirkwall, Scotland > Date of Arrival: Dec 24, 1909 > Age at Arrival: 47y Gender: F Marital Status: S > Ship of Travel: Lusitania > Port of Departure: Liverpool > Manifest Line Number: 0017 > Visiting friend Mrs Millar at 630 Mormouth St New Jersey. Height 5`4" WS: That address should be 630 Monmouth Street, Trenton, New Jersey ecunningham@att.net

I am not sure if I have posted these before, but I think there is more information this time. First Name: Minnie Last Name: Sinclair Ethnicity: England, Scotch Last Place of Residence: Kirkwall, Scotland Date of Arrival: Dec 24, 1909 Age at Arrival: 47y Gender: F Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Lusitania Port of Departure: Liverpool Manifest Line Number: 0017 Visiting friend Mrs Millar at 630 Mormouth St New Jersey. Height 5`4" Brown hair Blue eyes. ========================= First Name: Jemima Last Name: Sinclair Ethnicity: Scotch Last Place of Residence: Kirkwall, Scotland Date of Arrival: Jun 03, 1910 Age at Arrival: 47y Gender: F Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Lusitania Port of Departure: Liverpool Manifest Line Number: 0021 Visiting Mrs Glover at 322 West 58th St New York. Height 5`4" Fair hair Blue eyes. ------------------------------------------------------ First Name: Hughina Last Name: Sinclair Ethnicity: British, Scotch Last Place of Residence: Stromness, Scotland Date of Arrival: Oct 05, 1909 Age at Arrival: 27y Gender: F Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Furnessia Port of Departure: Glasgow Manifest Line Number: 0011 Visiting cousin John Wishart who was living at 39 Oakley St. Height 5`6" fair haired with brown eyes. ----------------------------------------------------- First Name: Daisy Jane Last Name: Sinclair Ethnicity: Scotland Scotch Last Place of Residence: Kirkwall, Scotland Date of Arrival: Mar 02, 1920 Age at Arrival: 3...y 5m Gender: F Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Imperator Port of Departure: Liverpool Manifest Line Number: 0011 Visiting Fiance James Garrioch 1706 Quincy Ave Racine Wisconsin. Height 5`4" Hair dark Eyes Dark. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First Name: Kate Last Name: Sinclair Ethnicity: British, Scotch Last Place of Residence: Stromness, Scotland Date of Arrival: Jul 09, 1911 Age at Arrival: 20y Gender: F Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Columbia Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Manifest Line Number: 0007 Visiting sister Miss Lizzie Sinclair in Sheridan. Height 5`5" Hair dark, Eyes brown. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First Name: John W. Last Name: Sinclair Ethnicity: Britain, Scotch Last Place of Residence: Stromness, Scotland Date of Arrival: Jun 03, 1912 Age at Arrival: 2 Gender: M Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Columbia Port of Departure: Glasgow Manifest Line Number: 0011 Visiting an uncle in San Francisco. Hair Dark Eyes Blue. Willie Sinclair

A post today to the Wigtownshire List reminded me to check the downloadable books at www.ElectricScotland.com There are 4 titles containing the word Orkney, 2 currently available and 2 in progress. Check back in awhile to see if they are done...Meg G in OK ============= Orkney and Shetland : This is the account of Shetland from this book by T Mainland published in 1920. The Orkney Book : By John Gunn, M.A., D.Sc. (1909) These 2 titles are not yet completed : Guide to the Highlands and Islands of Scotland - Including Orkney and Zetland : descriptive of their scenery, statistics, antiquities, and natural history and directions for visiting the lowlands of Scotland with descriptive notices by George Anderson and Peter Anderson of Inverness (1850) Notice of Runic Inscriptions : Discovered during recent excavations in the Orkneys made by James Farrer, M.P. (1862) =============

Ancestry has available these records up to the name Nicolson. If anyone would like information regarding their Orkney relatives who served in WW1 whose name Nicolson or alphabetically before, just let me know. If possible the name and DOB would make the search easier. It is probably better just to send the request to my e-mail address. Willie Sinclair

Thank you Charlie -- done it Cheers Cath 20/11/2008 02:41:36 charliep@cablespeed.com writes: Yes, Cath - go to Rootsweb & click on mailing lists, then location (Scotland), then Caithness. Charlie Petersen