Janine I am working on trying to find out which ship my great grandfather came over on. It's possible that he worked for the Hudson Bay Company. I guess a lot of young Orkney men did. I am awaiting a bunch of letters that his daughter had passed down to her daughter and then to the next generation. I wasn't aware of these letters still being out there and they are from the 1890's. A cousin in Orkney shared all the family happenings with William and his daughter. It will be really interesting to read these. Hopefully it will give me some insight on what happened and how he got here. Good luck with your search. Diane ---------- > From: janine <janine@muskoka.com> > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] Re: Sigurd's Expedition and Dialect Words > Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 7:41 AM > > Diane > My great grandfather also came from South Ronaldsay to Ontario in 1871. His > name was John Petrie. I am pretty lucky as John wrote a poem in 1928 about > his life and his 12 children. This poem has been a great help in my > research of my family. Do you know u ship William came over on as I can't > find out which one John came over on yet and maybe they came together. If > you know anything about the trip over here I would really appreciate it. > > Janine McIntrye > Ontario also > > ---------- > > From: Diane Davison <dldavison@kwic.com> > > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Re: Sigurd's Expedition and Dialect Words > > Date: Saturday, February 06, 1999 11:48 PM > > > > I just thought that I would tell Sigurd how much I enjoyed his photo's. I > > especially liked the Yesnaby Stack. Those snowflakes certainly looked > HUGE. > > We've had our share of it last month here in Ontario. > > > > My great grandfather William THOMSON was from South Ronaldsay and I am > > really enjoying learning all I can about the Orkneys. He moved here to > > Ontario in 1871 and died in 1924 before my mother was born. Since I never > > knew him nor did he pass on his life in the Orkney's to his children I at > > least can pass this heritage on to my child. > > > > Thanks again for the photo's. I'm also enjoying your Dialect Word of the > > Day and dreaming of the day that I'll travel to Orkney. > > > > Keep up the great work.....it is appreciated! > > Diane Davison > > Ontario, Canada > > >

Looking for any information on James Anderson and Christina Guthrie married in Kirkwall 1912 James was born in Shetland in Bressay in 1889. Cristina was fom Burray in Orkney and her parents were Thomas Guthrie and Ann Petrie Kay

Folks this one probably should have been addressed to ORCADIA-L@rootsweb.com for information on subscribing to that list as well this one see http://rendall.net/orkney/ For those of you who were perplexed by this thread it began on Orcadia-L and because of the very closely related names got sent over here. Probably someone hit the reply button and didn't see the list name so they typed it in but entered Orkney-L instead or Orcadia-L - easy to do. Orcadia-L is for the discussion of Orkney culture and history. The webmaster of the Orkney Website http://orkney.com is the listowner I tricked him into it ;^) Anne Rendall volunteer listowner Orkney-L At 07:13 AM 2/9/99 +1030, you wrote: >Dear Diane, >I also an trying to find out all I can about the Orkneys, as now both sides >of my family have ancestors there. I would like to take a peep at the site, >or contact the person you did? I am having trouble even finding a decent >MAP of the Orkney group. The one I found on the internet has only 15 of the >islands named, and no size reference. >The Dialect word of the day sounds interesting - is that related to the >Orkney Islands as well? > >I also dream of going there one day - to visit Pomona, and Shapinsay, >Westray and Papa Westray and imagine living back in those times. > >Ciao, >Charndra >South Australia >Researching WORK MACKAY HUTCHISON BALFOUR HEDDLE HEPBURN WILLIAMSON and >SINCLAIR in the Orkneys. >cjosling@senet.com.au >-----Original Message----- >From: Diane Davison <dldavison@kwic.com> >To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Sunday, 7 February 1999 15:14 >Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Re: Sigurd's Expedition and Dialect Words > > >>I just thought that I would tell Sigurd how much I enjoyed his photo's. I >>especially liked the Yesnaby Stack. Those snowflakes certainly looked HUGE. >>We've had our share of it last month here in Ontario. >> >>My great grandfather William THOMSON was from South Ronaldsay and I am >>really enjoying learning all I can about the Orkneys. He moved here to >>Ontario in 1871 and died in 1924 before my mother was born. Since I never >>knew him nor did he pass on his life in the Orkney's to his children I at >>least can pass this heritage on to my child. >> >>Thanks again for the photo's. I'm also enjoying your Dialect Word of the >>Day and dreaming of the day that I'll travel to Orkney. >> >>Keep up the great work.....it is appreciated! >>Diane Davison >>Ontario, Canada >> > > >

Dear Diane, I also an trying to find out all I can about the Orkneys, as now both sides of my family have ancestors there. I would like to take a peep at the site, or contact the person you did? I am having trouble even finding a decent MAP of the Orkney group. The one I found on the internet has only 15 of the islands named, and no size reference. The Dialect word of the day sounds interesting - is that related to the Orkney Islands as well? I also dream of going there one day - to visit Pomona, and Shapinsay, Westray and Papa Westray and imagine living back in those times. Ciao, Charndra South Australia Researching WORK MACKAY HUTCHISON BALFOUR HEDDLE HEPBURN WILLIAMSON and SINCLAIR in the Orkneys. cjosling@senet.com.au -----Original Message----- From: Diane Davison <dldavison@kwic.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, 7 February 1999 15:14 Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Re: Sigurd's Expedition and Dialect Words >I just thought that I would tell Sigurd how much I enjoyed his photo's. I >especially liked the Yesnaby Stack. Those snowflakes certainly looked HUGE. >We've had our share of it last month here in Ontario. > >My great grandfather William THOMSON was from South Ronaldsay and I am >really enjoying learning all I can about the Orkneys. He moved here to >Ontario in 1871 and died in 1924 before my mother was born. Since I never >knew him nor did he pass on his life in the Orkney's to his children I at >least can pass this heritage on to my child. > >Thanks again for the photo's. I'm also enjoying your Dialect Word of the >Day and dreaming of the day that I'll travel to Orkney. > >Keep up the great work.....it is appreciated! >Diane Davison >Ontario, Canada >

A while back I asked for help locating some ancestors whom I believed had emmigrated to Canada. Someone on the list was really helpful in identifying that person in the Ontario 1871 census and I really appreciate it - especially because I missed the spelling variation she used. Today I finally got around to confirming that this was indeed our ancestor so I'm very happy. There's just one or two mysteries left. I know now that the family didn't leave Orkney until after the 1861 census but I don't know where they were. I'm looking for Jeremiah Rendall who is sometimes listed as Jerome, and Rendall is sometimes spelled Rendal, Randell, Randel, Randal etc. An 1859 baptismal record shows that the family was at Lower Ellibister in Rendall Parish, but they have been looked for there already to no avail. In 1861 Jeremiah would have been 32 give or take, his wife Mary Stevenson Rendall was about two and a half years younger so she'd be listed as 29 or 30 - probably. They had one boy named Peter who would have been around two. Mary's father had a farm in Firth. Her brothers had farms in different parishes but I lost files on my computer and don't remember where they were. So if you have an 1861 Orkney census I'd really be greatful if you could look for Jeremiah, Mary and Peter Rendall. Another possibility is that Jermiah had to leave Mary temporarily, so Mary may have been alone with Peter somewhere. Her brothers were Stevensons, she had a sister who became a Hewison I believe - Ann Trail Hewison (?) and a sister named Stewart who married twice once to Sinclair Harcus - probably Westray, her second husband was John Seatter. Thanks if you can help - thanks for reading my rambling inquiry regardless :) Regards, Anne M. Rendall volunteer host Orkney GenWeb and Orkney-L http://rendall.net/orkney/

At 10:10 AM 2/5/99 -0800, you wrote: >Could SKS (some kind soul) who has the book of Orkney Surnames, please >tell me what it says for WALLS and WALLACE? My cousin and I are >having a "discussion" about it! Thanks. > >-- >Pam Thomson >British Columbia, Canada >Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor >http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork > > Pam, >From Gregor Lamb: (Wallace - see Walls) "Walls: David Walls, Manclet, Walls, 1492: from the placename Walls on the island of Hoy but also more importantly from Wass (now Northwall) on Sanday: from Old Norse 'valskr' meaning 'Celtic people': Walls has, therefore exactly the same meaning as the Scottish surname Wallace and it is interesting to nore that, on the island of Sanday, where most Walls surnames were found at one time, the name has been corrupted to Wallace: a common surname, scattered throughout Orkney: more than half of the Walls surnames are found in and around Kirwall today: the surname Walls originated in England too." Gregor Lamb, Orkney Surnames, copyright Gregor Lamb 1980 Hope this is useful to you. Regards, Anne M. Rendall volunteer host Orkney GenWeb and Orkney-L http://rendall.net/orkney/

Not sure but I believe that those are name of descendants that have done research and submitted their information to IGI. It might even be LDS members who have prepared their family tree information for (not sure of term) Temple christening. Some one please correct me if I'm wrong. Mike Bostwick Pam Thomson wrote: > I keep running into multiple entries like this: > > > James SINCLAIR (M).................... B: > > Rel: Moses Franklin FARNSWORTH JR. Holm, Orkney, Scotland > > (no parents listed) > > > > James SINCLAIR (M).................... B: > > Rel: Bartlett Canfield FARNSWORTH Hoy, Orkney, Scotland > > (no parents listed) > > > > James SINCLAIR (M).................... B: > > Rel: Moses Franklin FARNSWORTH JR. Kirkwell, Orkney, Scotland > > (no parents listed) > > > > James SINCLAIR (M).................... B: > > Rel: Moses Franklin FARNSWORTH JR. Kirkwell, Orkney, Scotland > > (no parents listed) > > > > James SINCLAIR JR (M)................. B: 2 Sep 1780 > > Rel: Joseph Darnbrough REYNOLDS St. Andrew, Orkney, Scotland > > (no parents listed) > > > These men, particularly Joseph and Moses, seem to have had many babies > christened. What would the story behind this be? > -- > Pam Thomson > British Columbia, Canada > Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor > http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork

Diane My great grandfather also came from South Ronaldsay to Ontario in 1871. His name was John Petrie. I am pretty lucky as John wrote a poem in 1928 about his life and his 12 children. This poem has been a great help in my research of my family. Do you know u ship William came over on as I can't find out which one John came over on yet and maybe they came together. If you know anything about the trip over here I would really appreciate it. Janine McIntrye Ontario also ---------- > From: Diane Davison <dldavison@kwic.com> > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Re: Sigurd's Expedition and Dialect Words > Date: Saturday, February 06, 1999 11:48 PM > > I just thought that I would tell Sigurd how much I enjoyed his photo's. I > especially liked the Yesnaby Stack. Those snowflakes certainly looked HUGE. > We've had our share of it last month here in Ontario. > > My great grandfather William THOMSON was from South Ronaldsay and I am > really enjoying learning all I can about the Orkneys. He moved here to > Ontario in 1871 and died in 1924 before my mother was born. Since I never > knew him nor did he pass on his life in the Orkney's to his children I at > least can pass this heritage on to my child. > > Thanks again for the photo's. I'm also enjoying your Dialect Word of the > Day and dreaming of the day that I'll travel to Orkney. > > Keep up the great work.....it is appreciated! > Diane Davison > Ontario, Canada >

I just thought that I would tell Sigurd how much I enjoyed his photo's. I especially liked the Yesnaby Stack. Those snowflakes certainly looked HUGE. We've had our share of it last month here in Ontario. My great grandfather William THOMSON was from South Ronaldsay and I am really enjoying learning all I can about the Orkneys. He moved here to Ontario in 1871 and died in 1924 before my mother was born. Since I never knew him nor did he pass on his life in the Orkney's to his children I at least can pass this heritage on to my child. Thanks again for the photo's. I'm also enjoying your Dialect Word of the Day and dreaming of the day that I'll travel to Orkney. Keep up the great work.....it is appreciated! Diane Davison Ontario, Canada

Dear listers, My name interests. I have done this before, however, I am related to the Orkney Islanders on both sides of my family now, and these are slightly different people. (I am trying to confirm a link at present) I would be interested to contact rellies of these people: All from Shapinsay. Margaret WORK ch: 25.11.1832. Married James LOWE in STH AUST. Her siblings: Mary, William, William Balfour, James and Alexander Russell WORK Their parents: William WORK and Margaret HEDDLE. Margaret HEDDLE (10 Aug 1797) sibling of: Thomas(1788), Janet(1790), William(1790), John(1791), James(1799) and Marrion HEDDLE(1802). Marrion HEPBURN married James HUTCHESON. Their parents were: Robert HEDDLE and Marrion HEPBURN(1769) Marrion HEPBURN(1 Sept 1769) sibling of: Magnus(1774), Margaret(1770) Magnus HEPBURN married Jean SCOTT. All in Shapinsay. All dates are christenings. If you may have a link, contact me at cjosling@senet.com.au or Charndra Josling, 28 Pemberton St, Oaklands Park, South Australia, 5046.

And again! Here is another child from that family: John SINCLAIR (M)..................... B: 21 Dec 1832 Father: John SINCLAIR Herston, S. Ronaldshay, Orkney, Mother: Jannet SYMISON Scotland I would guess that Isabella b. 1835, may have died young, probably of TB, as she's not in your list. I would also check out the possibility of a Manson grandparent because of Annie's second name. e.g. James SINCLAR (M)..................... M: 14 Nov 1794 Spouse: Isabela MANSON South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Either of these two would be good possibilities for John (the father): John SINCLAIR (M)..................... B: 18 Nov 1805 Father: John SINCLAIR Sandwick, S. Ronaldshay, Orkney, Mother: Helen SYMISON Scotland John SINCLAIR (M)..................... C: 22 Nov 1805 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Helen SYMISON John SINCLAIR (M)..................... M: 12 Mar 1805 Spouse: Helen SYMESON South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland John SINCLAIR (M)..................... C: 9 Mar 1810 Father: James SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Isobella WARDS I don't see their marriage in the marriage text. Hi, it's me again! I just went to the Sinclair births text at > http://www.cursiter.com/Sinclair.txt > and searched for John.( I think if you download the .exe file, it's probably easier but I'm not very good at translating files to be read by my Max). I picked John because it's not usually spelled differently while Jennet could be Janet or Jannet and Simeson can be Symison or even Simpson. I didn't go all the way through it but I found these people who are very likely the ones you mean. Like me, it looks like your family were from South Ronaldsay so I would stick to entries from that island in trying to figure out the parents of John and Janet. > Am trying to locate info on John SINCLAIR b abt 1810 m Jennet SIMESON b abt > 1810. They had 4 children 3 being born in Orkney-Annie b 1830,Jessie b > 1831, John b 1833, and James Christie b 1845 in Liverpool. > Any info appreciated > Thank you > Mattie Bird > Ann Manson SINCLAIR (F)............... C: 13 Feb 1829 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Jannet SYMISON Anne Manson SINCLAIR (F).............. C: 22 Feb 1830 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Jannet SYMISON Isabella SINCLAIR (F)................. C: 4 May 1835 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Jannet SYMISON Jannet SINCLAIR (F)................... C: 13 Sep 1831 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Jannet SYMISON -- Pam Thomson British Columbia, Canada Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork

These are some variant spellings you may encounter in your research. One specific person may be called more than one of the variations in different documents: Ellen/Helen/Hellen/Eleonora/Eleanor/Nelly Esther/Hester Jean/Jane/ Isabel/Bell/Isabella/Esabella/Isobel/Issabell/Isobell Janet/Jannet/Jennet/Jeanette/Jonet/Jenet Margaret/ Margrat/Margret/Peggy/Piggy/Meg Sibylla/Sibbilla/Sybla/Siballa/Sibbella/Sibilla/Sibbla/Sibby Marjary, Marjorie, Margery/Merjory Merrion/Marian/ Meron/ Maryann Mary/Marie/Merry/Marry Mitchal/Mitchel/Michal/Mitchell Maly/Molly Christian/Christina/Christen/Christan/Christy/Christiana/Christiane/Christine/Chirstan Elspet/Elspeth/Eliza/Elizabeth/Betty/Betsy/Basse/Bess/Elizabet/Elspith/Eleizabeth/ Elspit/Elspid/Elisabeth/Elspat/Betsey Euphemia/Euphan Grace/Grizel/Grizell/Girzel Harry/Hary/Harie Andrew/Androu/Androw Ann/Anne/Hannah/Anna/Hanna/Hanah/Anni/Annie Catherine/Catharine/Katherine/Katharine/Catharin/Katharein/Katherein/Kaithrin Archibald/Archbald Arthur/Aurther Beatrice/Betris/Beatrix Beckie/Baikie/Rebecca/Rebekah Robina/ Rebinah/Robinia Sarah/Sally/Sara Cecilia/Ciclea/Cicilia/Cecelia/Celcilia/Cicila -- Pam Thomson British Columbia, Canada Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork

I keep running into multiple entries like this: > James SINCLAIR (M).................... B: > Rel: Moses Franklin FARNSWORTH JR. Holm, Orkney, Scotland > (no parents listed) > > James SINCLAIR (M).................... B: > Rel: Bartlett Canfield FARNSWORTH Hoy, Orkney, Scotland > (no parents listed) > > James SINCLAIR (M).................... B: > Rel: Moses Franklin FARNSWORTH JR. Kirkwell, Orkney, Scotland > (no parents listed) > > James SINCLAIR (M).................... B: > Rel: Moses Franklin FARNSWORTH JR. Kirkwell, Orkney, Scotland > (no parents listed) > > James SINCLAIR JR (M)................. B: 2 Sep 1780 > Rel: Joseph Darnbrough REYNOLDS St. Andrew, Orkney, Scotland > (no parents listed) > These men, particularly Joseph and Moses, seem to have had many babies christened. What would the story behind this be? -- Pam Thomson British Columbia, Canada Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork

Hi Eunice The IGI contains the following: Margaret SINCLAIR (F)................. B: 23 Mar 1828 Father: Robert SINCLAIR Stronsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Marion HEPBURN Regards Tracey Surname Interests: KIRKPATRICK, SHEARER, LOUTTIT, MCKAY, PEEBLES, CROMARTY, ANDERSON, DUNNET, SINCLAIR -----Original Message----- From: Eunice Williams <eunice@camtech.net.au> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 05 February 1999 12:20 Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] SINCLAIR,SIMESON >Dick White wrote: >> >> Am trying to locate info on John SINCLAIR b abt 1810 m Jennet SIMESON b abt >> 1810. They had 4 children 3 being born in Orkney-Annie b 1830,Jessie b >> 1831, John b 1833, and James Christie b 1845 in Liverpool. >> Any info appreciated >> Thank you >> Mattie Bird > >Hi Mattie, >I am also trying to trace a Sinclair from the Orkney Islands. Margaret >Sinclair, born either 12th or 23rd March 1828 probably on Stronsay or >Shapinsay, but not sure, and emigrated to Australia. Married William >Stocks Heithersay from Lincolnshire on 12/7/1853 in Adelaide, South >Australia. I have been unable to find further information on either of >these two people. So if you find information on your Sinclair, it is >possible the two are related. Keep in touch. Eunice Williams > > >

Hi, it's me again! I just went to the Sinclair births text at > http://www.cursiter.com/Sinclair.txt > and searched for John.( I think if you download the .exe file, it's probably easier but I'm not very good at translating files to be read by my Max). I picked John because it's not usually spelled differently while Jennet could be Janet or Jannet and Simeson can be Symison or even Simpson. I didn't go all the way through it but I found these people who are very likely the ones you mean. Like me, it looks like your family were from South Ronaldsay so I would stick to entries from that island in trying to figure out the parents of John and Janet. > Am trying to locate info on John SINCLAIR b abt 1810 m Jennet SIMESON b abt > 1810. They had 4 children 3 being born in Orkney-Annie b 1830,Jessie b > 1831, John b 1833, and James Christie b 1845 in Liverpool. > Any info appreciated > Thank you > Mattie Bird > Ann Manson SINCLAIR (F)............... C: 13 Feb 1829 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Jannet SYMISON Anne Manson SINCLAIR (F).............. C: 22 Feb 1830 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Jannet SYMISON Isabella SINCLAIR (F)................. C: 4 May 1835 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Jannet SYMISON Jannet SINCLAIR (F)................... C: 13 Sep 1831 Father: John SINCLAIR South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Jannet SYMISON -- Pam Thomson British Columbia, Canada Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork

Could SKS (some kind soul) who has the book of Orkney Surnames, please tell me what it says for WALLS and WALLACE? My cousin and I are having a "discussion" about it! Thanks. -- Pam Thomson British Columbia, Canada Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork

For anyone who is new to the list and isn't familiar with Walt Custer's site, please be sure to check it out. It has a huge database of births, christenings, and marriages, divided into last names and searchable online. I've been able to trace whole families by using this information. I've found that it's easiest to look for entries for the specific island where your family lived and sort the children by parents, always remembering the spelling doesn't count! You have to be as creative as they were! > http://www.cursiter.com/ > Pam Tamson :.) Researching WALLS/WALLACE, THOMSON, and McKAY on South Ronaldsay and Burray -- Pam Thomson British Columbia, Canada Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork

Dick White wrote: > > Am trying to locate info on John SINCLAIR b abt 1810 m Jennet SIMESON b abt > 1810. They had 4 children 3 being born in Orkney-Annie b 1830,Jessie b > 1831, John b 1833, and James Christie b 1845 in Liverpool. > Any info appreciated > Thank you > Mattie Bird Hi Mattie, I am also trying to trace a Sinclair from the Orkney Islands. Margaret Sinclair, born either 12th or 23rd March 1828 probably on Stronsay or Shapinsay, but not sure, and emigrated to Australia. Married William Stocks Heithersay from Lincolnshire on 12/7/1853 in Adelaide, South Australia. I have been unable to find further information on either of these two people. So if you find information on your Sinclair, it is possible the two are related. Keep in touch. Eunice Williams

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Am trying to locate info on John SINCLAIR b abt 1810 m Jennet SIMESON b abt 1810. They had 4 children 3 being born in Orkney-Annie b 1830,Jessie b 1831, John b 1833, and James Christie b 1845 in Liverpool. Any info appreciated Thank you Mattie Bird