> I checked at www.cursiter.com and can't see a James Scott born in 1865. There are 4 or 5 Elizabeth Norquay/Norquoy born on South Ronaldsay (Burray is usually listed as SR) at about the right time. Do you know anything about their parents or siblings? That would help you narrow your choices down.At www.familysearch.com -there are some ancestral files - I just checked Elizabeth Stewart Norquay and her husband was not James Scott so, there's one less possibility ( assuming the ancestral file is correct!) Pam > > > I am beginning to do a family tree search. My grandfather, James S. Scott > was born in the Orkney Islands on June 23, 1865. I believe he was born on > South Ronaldsay . My grandmother, Elizabeth Norquay was born about that > time on the island of Burray. If anyone can provide any information I > would appreciate it.They both emigrated to Buffalo, New York in the late > 1880's. > > Frederick S. Wood > fwood@buffalo.edu -- Pam Thomson British Columbia, Canada Proud to be a Rootsweb Sponsor http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/TownSquareNetwork

I am beginning to do a family tree search. My grandfather, James S. Scott was born in the Orkney Islands on June 23, 1865. I believe he was born on South Ronaldsay . My grandmother, Elizabeth Norquay was born about that time on the island of Burray. If anyone can provide any information I would appreciate it.They both emigrated to Buffalo, New York in the late 1880's. Frederick S. Wood fwood@buffalo.edu

Not sure if any of this fits in but I have a Peter Allen Cromarty b. 1885 who married a Sophia Kirkness b. 1884 around Deerness. They had a daughter Eleanor Jean. Heather Researching Surnames: GRIFFITHS, CLOAKEY, KIRKNESS, WYLLIE -----Original Message----- From: Robert Blake Allan <rballan@home.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] Re Anderson/Sutherland/Cromarty >It certainly is close to mine, I think. Who were the parents of William >Sutherland and of Jean Cromarty. >In my family data I have William Sutherland b 1836, South Ronaldsay, who >married in 1870 Jessie Cromarty Allan b 1845 in SouthRonaldsay. Blake > > >

It certainly is close to mine, I think. Who were the parents of William Sutherland and of Jean Cromarty. In my family data I have William Sutherland b 1836, South Ronaldsay, who married in 1870 Jessie Cromarty Allan b 1845 in SouthRonaldsay. Blake

William Sutherland and Jean Cromarty were married c1850 in Walls/ Flotta. Betsy Sutherland b 1855 in Flat m James Anderson b c1850 in Longhope. James was a farm servant. Their first child Elizabeth Cromarty Anderson was b 1880 in Flat, Margaret Jane was b 1882 in Longhope, Lily Sword Anderson was b 1884 in Longhope. By 1889 the family had moved to Bressay in Shetland where James John was born. He married Christina Guthrie from Burray in 1912 in Kirkwall. Ring any bells? Kay

Listers - There was a website posted to the 'Lanark Digest' list I also subscribe to. It is called "GenDocs" and it lists many of the the usually 'unknown' terms for occupations that need 'translating'. These terms are explained briefly - like: ALNAGER - An official who examined the quality of woollen goods and stamped them with the town seal of approval; or DORCAS - A seamstress; or FOWER - A street sweeper of cleaner. Go to: http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html I found this site extremely interesting, and might clear up some cloudy ideas of what our ancestors did for a living ! Many birth documents list the Father's name and occupation - sometimes it sounds like another surname as my own family's listing of 'Carter' . When I saw the original document, it became clear that his occupation was a carter - one who drives a cart ! It was listed on the above website. A relative had been trying to research the Carter family and coming up with blanks ! - Meg Greenwood in Oklahoma

Does anyone know if Halkerstoune is in Orkney Is and if not where it is? And also does anyone know what is a tocher, "given with his only daughter"? Im looking for any family of or info about these people who Ken Traill kindly told me of (thanks Ken!!) ... 1. (unknown LIDDELL of Halkerstoune) 2. Archdeacon Francis LIDDELL, abt. 1600 - 1635 (of St Magnus's cathedral) 3. George LIDDELL of Hammer, abt. 1645 - 1681 4. His wife, Elizabeth or Elspeth TRAILL b. abt 1649 5. Her father, Thomas TRAILL, first of Holland 6. George's and Elizabeths children, Andrew LIDDELL, 7. Catherine LIDDELL, b. abt 1673 Kirkwall 8. Patrick LIDDELL, c. 6 Dec 1677, Kirkwall 9. George's brother, William LIDDELL, Laird of Hammer, Kirkwall with a house in ALbert STreet, 10. his wife, Margaret GRAHAM 11. her parents, Harie GRAHAM 12. and Euphen HONEYMAN 13. Euphen's father, Bishop Andrew HONEYMAN of Orkney 14. Harie's grandfather Bishop George GRAHAM 15. Bishop George's great great grandfather, First Earl of MONTROSE (any idea on where one could get dates?) 16. Margaret & William's child, Elspeth LIDDELL 17. her husb. William TRAILL of Frotoft 18. their son, Thomas TRAILL, Second of Frotoft 19. his wife, Robina GRANT 20. their children, Anne TRAILL, 21. Lieutenant Gilbert TRAILL, RN 22. Gilbert's wife, Frances BAIKIE 23. Anne's husb William Graham WATT 24. William and Anne's grandson Lieutenant Gilbert TRAILL, RN 25. his grandson, Fleet ENgineer, Thomas W. TRAILL, RN. Those are all I have of the Orkney Liddell/ Traill family - how any others fit in would be most appreciated! Thanks, Deirdre Liddell Hay.

At 07:39 AM 5/5/1999 -0700, you wrote: >A wonderful fellow, Ken Traill has sent me an extract of a book, The Frotoft >Branch of the Orkney Traills which gave me a huge amount of information >about my Liddell family. Im wondering if anyone out there knows where >similar books on Orkney genealogy and history would be located?? Best >wishes, Deirdre Liddell Hay. > I found a wonderful little history book called "The Orkney Book" unfortunately I lent it and can't get it back. It was written "by Orcadians for Orcadians" circa 1908. I found it at http://www.bibliofind.com they have quite a few books on Orkney, the site acts as a listing resource for book dealers around the world, I actually purchased from a book store in Manitoba and got a very good exchange rate for my US dollar. It's really charming, but not fully informative. Other books are available that include more information based on the excavations that have taken place this century. There's one by Patrick Bailey with some great pictures, I can't recall the title. Try Amazon.com.uk - their UK bookstore and Leonard's bookstore at http://www.orkneyislands.com I believe there are also some books available for purchase at http://www.orkney.com - It can be pricey to purchase directly from the UK if you're in the US, adds about 40% to the price. I did see a book entitled something like "Who was Who in Orkney" at Amazon its suppose to be more of a history book than a genealogy book, but good for sorting out the historical figures that played a part in Orkney history. Anne Rendall

Thanks so much for all the information. I'm trying to fina a little history on the family of George Stewart of the Bounty. Doris Anderson

(Since the traffic is light on the list right now, I want to respond to Karen on the list just in case the subject has broader appeal than to just myself.) Karen, Thanks for the Wishart reply. My other ancestors spelled their surname as Garriock. Have you found many variations of that name? And could anyone report what the common spelling may be in Orkney today? Dick t At 04:31 PM 5/3/99 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry Dick, >There is no mention of the surname Wishart, that I can see. As I said, it is >a matter of reading through and picking out names so I shall keep your name >handy in case a closer perusal turns something up. >Karen

Sorry Dick, There is no mention of the surname Wishart, that I can see. As I said, it is a matter of reading through and picking out names so I shall keep your name handy in case a closer perusal turns something up. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Dick Taylor <husker@sky.net> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] Re: Kirkwall United Presbyterian Congregation >Dunno specifically, but some of my people were probably affiliated with the UP Church in Kirkwall -- perhaps William Lindsay Wishart around 1850. Does the Wishart surname show up anywhere in the book? > >Dick T > >At 03:54 PM 4/29/99 -0700, you wrote: >>I recently bought, second hand, a book by Rev. David Webster published in >>1910. It is a history of the Kirkwall United Presbyterian Congregation from >>its formation in 1796 to its union with the Free Church in 1900. >>Unfortunately there is no handy index at the end to make lookups easy >>however, if anyone thinks they may have a connection to this particular >>congregation, I would be happy to pass on what I can. >>There is considerable information, as well as photographs of Rev. William >>Broadfoot, Rev. Robert Patterson, and Reverend David Webster. >>Karen Garrioch >> >> >

Dunno specifically, but some of my people were probably affiliated with the UP Church in Kirkwall -- perhaps William Lindsay Wishart around 1850. Does the Wishart surname show up anywhere in the book? Dick T At 03:54 PM 4/29/99 -0700, you wrote: >I recently bought, second hand, a book by Rev. David Webster published in >1910. It is a history of the Kirkwall United Presbyterian Congregation from >its formation in 1796 to its union with the Free Church in 1900. >Unfortunately there is no handy index at the end to make lookups easy >however, if anyone thinks they may have a connection to this particular >congregation, I would be happy to pass on what I can. >There is considerable information, as well as photographs of Rev. William >Broadfoot, Rev. Robert Patterson, and Reverend David Webster. >Karen Garrioch > >

Hi, One of my ggrandmothers was Marjory Mowett, she lived in Cobh Co. Cork Ireland. She married my ggrandfather William Ahern, approx. l854. The Mowett family owned tea rooms and a childrens toy/sweet shop in Cobh. I've been told that a gggfather (I'm not sure how many g's there should be!), a "Captain Mowett came from the Orkney's and settled in Cobh." I have no date on when he arrived. Griffith's Valuations does show a Magnus Mowatt living at Cotteral's Row in Cobh approx l850. I don't have a clue as to how to trace this Mowett/Mowatt family line back to the Orkney's. Emigration, ships passenger lists, names of ships captains, ship names, ports of exit, ports of destination?? Where to start? Thank you, Colman Ahern, Berkeley. Ahern, Burke, Fleming, Mowett, Roche.

Hi! I am looking for descendants of Peter Chalmers (c1810 - 1850) and Jean Petrie (c1815 - aft 1850). Peter was the son of Edward Chalmers and Rebecca Sinclair of Kirkwall & St. Ola; Jean was the daughter of Robert Petrie and Helen Guthrie of St. Andrews. Children: Mary S. (c1838); John P. (c1840); Jean (c1842); James (c1844); Helen (c1846); and Baikie Wymess (c1850). The family was enumerated in Kirkwall & St. Ola in 1851, but I can't spot any of them under the Chalmers name in the 1881 index. [A Jean Petrie Chalmers married a James Heddle in Kirkwall @ St. Ola in 1861 - possibly the above mentioned daughter - haven't searched the 1881 census index for them yet] Does anyone have any idea if and where this family moved to? (Can't wait for the new 1881 census CD's to be released by LDS!) Any info or suggestions appreciated, thanks! Happy Hunting! Stephen

Dear Listers, this is my first post to this list. this is directed to Andrew Graham. You were looking for some information concerningt Irvine. This could possibley help.. see my website http://www.island.net/~hme/mr.html My gggrandfather came to British Columbia on the Tory 1850-1851. One indentured servant with him was John Irvine., Descendants now live in Victoria British Columbia. The family has a web site. I live in the Cowichan Valley on Vancouver Island. We have living in town, not a large town.. The families of Irvine, Flett and Begg. If this information would be of help, let me know. I as well a looking for any modern relatives of Christopher Finlay Christopher FINLAY (M)................ C: 30 Dec 1832 Father: Christopher FINLAY Orphir, Orkney, Scotland Mother: Margaret SINCLAIR thanks for any assistance... Monte check the COWMUG home page http://www.island.net/~cowmug

I recently bought, second hand, a book by Rev. David Webster published in 1910. It is a history of the Kirkwall United Presbyterian Congregation from its formation in 1796 to its union with the Free Church in 1900. Unfortunately there is no handy index at the end to make lookups easy however, if anyone thinks they may have a connection to this particular congregation, I would be happy to pass on what I can. There is considerable information, as well as photographs of Rev. William Broadfoot, Rev. Robert Patterson, and Reverend David Webster. Karen Garrioch

> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:30:27 -0700 > From: "Robert Blake Allan" <rballan@home.com> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] Bews > > I Have the following in my family: > Charles W. Bews married 18 Dec 1819 at Kirkwall & St Ola to > Isabella C. Wards. They had children: > Harriet Traill Bews b. 1821 > Isabella Bews b. 17 Dec 1825 d 12 Apr 1904 > married Archibald Allan 29 Jan 1857 at Glasgow > Isabella died 12 Apr 1904 at Pollokshields > James Bews b abt1825 > Charles Bews b abt 1828 > John Bews b abt 1831 > William Bews b abt 1834 > Would like to have any infm about any of these people. > Blake Allan I have just started looking at my family history, but my g-g-grandfather came from Kirkwall. Earliest I have got was his marriage in 1851 from OPR 21/7: Bews & Irvine: John Bews & Eliza Irvine both of the Parish of Kirkwall were matrimonially contracted 12th September and after proclamation in the Church were married 9th October 1851 by the Revd. William Logie. Witnesses George Morrison & William Bews. Jim Bews _________________________________________________________________ Jim Bews, Computing Officer, School of Chemistry, Purdie Building, University of St Andrews, St Andrews, Fife, KY16 9ST. Scotland Tel: 01334-463830 Email: J.R.Bews@st-and.ac.uk Fax: 01334-463808 WWW: http://ch-www.st-and.ac.uk/staff/jrb/

Hi Geoffrey, Holm and Paplay is a parish of Orkney. It is located on East Mainland - see http://www.orkneyislands.com/guide/maps/eastm.html Jan Grant -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey CLARKE <gcclarke@primus.com.au> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, 29 April 1999 10:47 AM Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Holm and Paplay >Can anyone please tell me precisely where in the Orkney's is Holm >and Paplay. > >>From the records I am researching my family came from Holm and >Paplay and therefore for a place that I cannot find, there are >an enormous number of references > >best regards, > >Geoffrey CLARKE > > >

Can anyone please tell me precisely where in the Orkney's is Holm and Paplay. >From the records I am researching my family came from Holm and Paplay and therefore for a place that I cannot find, there are an enormous number of references best regards, Geoffrey CLARKE

I realise this is not necessarily what you wanted Deirdre, but...... My husband went to school with a Liddell in Kirkwall, so they are definitely there! In the Highlands and Islands telephone directory there are only three Liddell entries. One of which is a Reverend!!!!!! Coincidence? There are several entries for Liddle, which I presume is a variant. Get in touch directly if you want more info. Good luck. C Groat ----- Original Message ----- From: Deirdre Hay <dhay@bakerandmiller.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 28 April 1999 18:00 Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Liddell Presb. Ministers > Hi again - was sad that no one responded to an earlier post where I was > hunting for LIDDELL relatives or genealogists. I have since learned that my > Liddell relatives in the Orkneys were mostly Presbyterian ministers. The > earliest one I ve found is a Francis Liddell, a minister in Edinburgh, > father of Andrew Liddell. Does Liddell ring any bells with anyone? Hoping > to hear from you, > Deirdre Liddell Hay. > >