If your family is from FairIsle, Jim Wilson should be able to help you connect them. jim.wilson@zoology.oxford.ac.uk Also, Phil Pursley should be able to help you -- he has many Williamsons in his chain. He also has a website. First, email him and he can tell you if you connect. He's going to be glad to hear from you. ppurs67@aol.com Patti Flynn Heimsness sapwcbt@aol.com

To elphinsj, I am a decendant of the Swanneys from Orkney, My grandmother Catherine Margaret Swanney, her father John Swanney and his father Thomas Swanney. I will share what little information I have. They Were from Shapinshay and Eday. Deb

I am looking for information on the Elphinstones on the Islands of Orkney, outside of Kirkwall. Also the Swanneys, Muirs and Chalmers. Thanks

I am newly subscribed and have been lurking. The referenced Web page gives me courage to ask for help. Looking for information on NEWLANDS, WILLIAMSON, AND MCPHEE I have two NEWLANDS (different families) that wed: William NEWLANDS b. 1901 Stromness d. 1967 Kirkwall; parents Robert NEWLANDS (d. 1942 Kirkwall) and Helen WILLIAMSON (d. 1980 Kirkwall) and, Jessie NEWLANDS b. 1903 Stronsay, d. 1992 Kirkwall; parents William NEWLANDS, b. 1880, d. 1945 Dounby; and, Rebecca MCPHEE, b. (Wick?), d. 1947 Dounby. ----- It seems that I should be able to connect these people to the information on the referenced Web page; however, am missing one or more generations to make the link. Morris Ryan Spokane, Washington

Heather At your local LDS centre. They have it on microfilm from Salt Lake. They also have the 1851, 61, 71, 81 & 91 census. Our local centre has the 1881 all the time but I had to order in the rest. Janine On Thursday, June 24, 1999 6:56 AM, Heather [SMTP:crafty@mb.sympatico.ca] wrote: > Hello Janine > I was wondering, how would I get this census for South Ronaldsay? > Heather > -----Original Message----- > From: Janine <janine@muskoka.com> > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 10:02 PM > Subject: [ORKNEY-L] 1841 Orphir census what luck > > > >I was doing some research tonight on the 1841 census. It gives the wife's > >maiden name!!!. I actually got it for the South Ronaldsay but did some > >Orphir checking while I had it and was real happy to see both the husbands > >and wifes names on it. But I only found this in Orphir. > > > >Happy Hunting > >Janine > > > > > > > > >

At 07:08 AM 6/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >Perhaps I'm the last one on the list to realize this, but there is a >GREAT web site at: > >http://www.cursiter.com/ > >Its called the Orkney Genealogy Website: Family Heritage of the Orkney >Islands of Scotland > >Common names for this area will find a complete extract from the >then-current IGI for births, baptisms and marriages for their names! >You MUST check this out if you haven't! I didn't see mention of this >mailing list there...are the web page and this list related? > Walt Custer the webmaster of that site is a great guy whose helped me a lot in my own research, his site is- well, his. This list is run through RootsWeb http://www.rootsweb.com which is a non-profit organization funded by sponsors and members. Anne Rendall volunteer listowner Orkney-L volunteer host Orkney GenWeb http://www.rendall.net/orkney/

Perhaps I'm the last one on the list to realize this, but there is a GREAT web site at: http://www.cursiter.com/ Its called the Orkney Genealogy Website: Family Heritage of the Orkney Islands of Scotland Common names for this area will find a complete extract from the then-current IGI for births, baptisms and marriages for their names! You MUST check this out if you haven't! I didn't see mention of this mailing list there...are the web page and this list related? Enjoy! Gary

Hello Janine I was wondering, how would I get this census for South Ronaldsay? Heather -----Original Message----- From: Janine <janine@muskoka.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 10:02 PM Subject: [ORKNEY-L] 1841 Orphir census what luck >I was doing some research tonight on the 1841 census. It gives the wife's >maiden name!!!. I actually got it for the South Ronaldsay but did some >Orphir checking while I had it and was real happy to see both the husbands >and wifes names on it. But I only found this in Orphir. > >Happy Hunting >Janine > > > >

I was doing some research tonight on the 1841 census. It gives the wife's maiden name!!!. I actually got it for the South Ronaldsay but did some Orphir checking while I had it and was real happy to see both the husbands and wifes names on it. But I only found this in Orphir. Happy Hunting Janine

> Now, a question for you: Do you know of any BAIKIEs in your area. I'm > trying to solve the mystery of 3 brothers, Daniel, Thomas, and William > Baikie, who perished together shortly after immigrating with their > father and 2 other brothers to Hamilton, Ontario. Records show the date > and place of their death as: "Lake Ontario, Oswego, New York" on July > 20, 1855. I was SO excited to see your mention of the Hudson Bay Company BAIKIES... Have you seen the book by the BAIKIE woman whose husband died shortly after coming to Canada? She was taken in by an Inuit family, else she would have died! The book is _Labrador Memories_ by Margaret Baikie. (While I was checking the title on that, I found the following book: Hid's A'al in a Day's Wark Baikie, R M. £6.95 An Orkney farmer's recollections of the many animals who shared his farming years. 30966 also found a Jim Baikie, who was a comic book artist for Judge Dredd!) I am trying to tie my family to the Canadian Bakies, but I do not yet see a fit. In my family, I have: Father: Donald Bakie, b. 1 SEP 1827 in Reiss, Caithness, Scotland Mother: Catherine Rutledge, b. 21 AUG 1733 in Milldoiggan, Wigtownshire, Scotland Thomas John Bakie Born: 11 JUL 1856 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada Died: 9 NOV 1910 in Cincinnati, OH wife: Mary A. Miller, b. 3 AUG 1859 in Baltimore, MD Married: 27 OCT 1886 in Baltimore, MD 1.James Donald Bakie, b. 18NOV1896 in Albany, NY In Scotland, my Bakies were mostly from Olrig, Caithness.... _-_ gary

I have BAKIEs in Orkney. My wife's family is BAKIE, and the historical records show that the same people were sometimes spelled BAIKIE and sometimes BAKIE. My local LDS branch has the entire Scottish Parish records on microfilm (though I suppose its all on www.familysearch.org now). My father-in-law's family tree: /--George Baikie /--John Baikie / \--Margaret Brotchie /--Donald Bakie b. 1789 d. 11 MAY 1873 / \-- Catherine Sutherland /--Donald Bakie b. 1 SEP 1827 d. 7 MAR 1869 | \--Helen Ronaldson b. 1798 /--Thomas John Bakie b. 11 JUL 1856 d. 9 NOV 1910 | | /--Balthaser Henry Miller b. 1831 d. 16 JUL 1866 | \--Catherine Rutledge b. 21 AUG 1733 d. 17 JAN 1864 | \--Elizabeth Stellman b. 1833 d. 28 SEP 1915 /--James Donald Bakie b. 18NOV1896 d. 5NOV1954 | \--Mary A. Miller b. 3 AUG 1859 d. 23 SEP 1946 /--Ernest Sanders Bakie b. OCT 4, 1921 | \--Nina Sanders b. 9 SEP 1898 Ernest was born Cincinatti Ohio James in Baltimore, MD The family came to the US by way of Canada -- perhaps in relation to the Hudson River Company Slightly more details from: http://glwarner.narrowgate.net/genealogy/genweb/igm/igmped.cgi/n=Bakie?I1 _-_ gary

unsubscribe finn@ionet.net wrote: > Listers - the LANARK-D@rootsweb.com list I also subscribe to had a helpful post to insure the > successful installation of the new 1881 CD set. I asked Marion Paterson of San Diego, California if > I could post her instructions to the ORKNEY list, she agreed. I ask the listers to excuse the > digression from our regular topics to 'software installation', however, the 'software' is directly > related to the collection of ORKNEY data ! > > I still await my recently ordered CD set, but it has been available in the local Family History > Center of the LDS Church for about a week now, however, it has been improperly installed. Users > cannot get into Glasgow, or any of Scotland at all ! It seems this is a common problem, and her > instructions are simple to follow. You might check these more closely if you cannot access some of > your census CD set. The instructions are evidently not as user-friendly as they could have been. > You do not get a manual, it must be downloaded from the net as per instructions. Once this install > glitch has been accomplished, the whole world opens up before you ! Instructions follow: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > There is an 800 number for tech support at LDS and they are very > helpful. Call 1-800-346-6044 > > There was a strange 'quirk' in the install directions. It is obscurely worded. > > You need to do an install from THREE CDs: > > 1. Resource File Viewer > 2. CD #1 of the National Index > 3. CD #1 of any of the British Census - I chose Disc #1, Scotland Region, > Highland Counties (it came in the next to last 'flap' of the CD set). > > There are 4 paragraphs in the installation instructions, starting with #1 - > 'Installing the Resource File Viewer'. > > Look at the third paragraph in the instructions. > 'Installing the 1881 British Census and the National Index' at the top right side of the page. > > 1. Open the Family History Resource File Viewer > 2. Select <Click here to add a Resource File to the list> > 3. A window will appear telling you to insert your CD. Insert CD #1. > 4. Click <OK> > 5. Repeat these steps to install the National Index. > > What they DON'T tell you is that you can find Disc #1 of the National > Index in the first flap of CD's. The Disc #1 of the British Census for > Scotland Region is found in the NEXT-TO-LAST FLAP. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Meg Greenwood - via Marion Paterson

Listers - There has been a thread about finding online/ordering Maps recently on this list. I read with great interest the posting about high shipping rates. At the time, I was waiting for a reply from one of the companies listed, the David Morgan company, to my inquiry for a Pathfinder Map of Orphir. This would have gotten me the closest detail I could find on this area of Orkney. I was quite surprised to get the price quote of US 10 dollars for the map, with shipping of US 5 dollars. Maybe they have gotten a new shipper for the US ! I am ordering the map before they change their minds <G>. I enclosed a copy of their price quote when placing the order. This company is new to me, as is the Pathfinder map series. I saw the Landranger ones in Kirkwall last summer, but thought they were too expensive - I am kicking myself now ! Does any lister have any of these Pathfinder maps??? I would appreciate a comment on their detail. THANKS - Meg Greenwood

Hi Jim Thank you so much for responding to my query regarding the communion token that was found here in Ontario. Now that you mention it, it probably is made of lead as I'm not too familiar with my metals. I must say it is in excellent condition and all of the writing is legible even considering the years of being buried in the soil here. I am thrilled with being the new owner of this token as it is a memento of my great grandfather William Thomson who attended the Parish of St. Mary's, South Ronaldsay. Who knows........this could have been his?? Sincerely Diane Davison

Hi Doug Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my query regarding my token. I am thrilled with having some background on this token and because it is from the Parish of St. Mary's South Ronaldsay it is a real treasure to me. Since my great grandfather and his family were all members of that Parish it brings them closer to me and much more real. Sincerely Diane Davison

> From: "Diane Davison" <dldavison@kwic.com> > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > Message-Id: <199906201222.IAA28064@a.kwic.com> > Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Re: South Ronaldsay Parish Token found in >construction site in Ontario > > Hi everyone. I recently acquired a token that is about an inch in length, > rectangular in shape with the corners flat. On one side it say's Parish of > St. Mary's South Ronaldsay and on the other side it says This Do In > Remembrance of Me. It is really quite old, possibly pewter with no date on > it. It is sort of wafer shaped and could possibly a baptismal token? > > Surprising enough it was found by a friend who does metal decting here in > Port Dover, Ontario. He found it in a construction site where they were > cleaning up to build a house. > > My great grandfather who was from the Parish of St. Mary's, South Ronaldsay > settled in Woodhouse, Ontario around 1871 which is about 5 miles from Port > Dover. His name was William Thomson, born 1844 and the son of John Thomson > and Margaret Annal. > > I'd be very interested in finding out exactly what this token is and any > history behind them. > > Thank you > Diane Davison > Port Dover, Ontario > This must be a communion token, hence the "This Do In Remembrance of Me". These were common in the Church of Scotland before the use of communion cards. They were an indication of the person being regarded as being "good-living" enough to be allowed to receive the sacraments. They were usually lead, and I can vaguely remember about 20 years ago work done by our electrochemistry group to restore the large collection (about 2000) held here at the University of St. Andrews. In actual fact I have just spoken to one of the staff involved (Dr Butler), and this caused considerable interest. The University has one of the largest collections in the world (and is always on the lookout for more). I think they would be interested in its condition and where it was found. The requirement for restoration was because they were usually stored in wooden boxes, which gave off an acid, causing the lead to form oxides, or salts or whatever. Restoration must be done electrolytically so that these compounds revert back to lead, and the inscription is not lost. Don't just polish it! Contact addresses here are: Keeper of Collections: Dr Ian Carradice: mailto:iac@st-and.ac.uk Chemistry: Dr A.R. Butler: mailto:arb3@st-and.ac.uk Jim Bews _________________________________________________________________ Jim Bews, Computing Officer, School of Chemistry, Purdie Building, University of St Andrews, St Andrews, Fife, KY16 9ST. Scotland Tel: 01334-463830 Email: J.R.Bews@st-and.ac.uk Fax: 01334-463808 WWW: http://ch-www.st-and.ac.uk/staff/jrb/

Dear Diane, Your find is a communion token, very common usage in Church of Scotland and some Free Church congregations from the 17th-19 centuries. They were handed out to parishoners whenever it was announced in advance that communion would be held on a Sunday several weeks away. Many hundreds of different types are known from parishes all over Scotland. However, some are quite scarce and high sought-after by collectors. Very small rural parishes, especially those in Orkney, are hard to find. You have found a real treasure and there is probably a connection with the home parish of your ancestors. All best wishes, Doug Nicol, Santa Rosa CA

I think this is my first to the ORKNEY list, I am on four other lists, I think I am becoming addicted. Is there a cure? My Gerrard line came from Kirkwall, Orkney in the 19th century and before that from Aberdeenshire, and I know quite a lot about them. Through the Aberdeen list I have found a new 'cousin'. I was sorting through some papers to send her all the info when I came across a letter written on 15th May, 1906, during the big San Fransisco earthquake. The letter was from either Andrew or Alexander Gerrard, Ladies Tailor, 1731 Devisadero St, San Fransisco to brother Adam Gerrard. I wonder if there is anyone still in Orkney who knows anything about this branch of the family or someone in California who has a connection. Would love to hear from anyone with information. tia from Rose-Marie in Leicester, England.

Hi everyone. I recently acquired a token that is about an inch in length, rectangular in shape with the corners flat. On one side it say's Parish of St. Mary's South Ronaldsay and on the other side it says This Do In Remembrance of Me. It is really quite old, possibly pewter with no date on it. It is sort of wafer shaped and could possibly a baptismal token? Surprising enough it was found by a friend who does metal decting here in Port Dover, Ontario. He found it in a construction site where they were cleaning up to build a house. My great grandfather who was from the Parish of St. Mary's, South Ronaldsay settled in Woodhouse, Ontario around 1871 which is about 5 miles from Port Dover. His name was William Thomson, born 1844 and the son of John Thomson and Margaret Annal. I'd be very interested in finding out exactly what this token is and any history behind them. Thank you Diane Davison Port Dover, Ontario

Hi Pat ~ This is the website for the Hudson's Bay Company Archives: > www.gov.mb.ca/chc/archives/hbca/index.html Follow the link to "Reference Inquiries" and then follow the directions for submitting inquiries. They were not able to find the two men I was inquiring about, but sent me what they had on BAIKIE anyway. Their answer came via email in about 3 weeks. Now, a question for you: Do you know of any BAIKIEs in your area. I'm trying to solve the mystery of 3 brothers, Daniel, Thomas, and William Baikie, who perished together shortly after immigrating with their father and 2 other brothers to Hamilton, Ontario. Records show the date and place of their death as: "Lake Ontario, Oswego, New York" on July 20, 1855. Regards, Linda Pat Price Flatt wrote: > > Good morning, Linda:---could you send me the addresss of where > to contact the HBC as my FLATTS came from Kirkwall, Orkney Isles > and worked for the Hudson Bay Co. transporting prisoners across > Canada and settled here in Ontario. > Very interesting, thanks for sharing, > Pat from Canada where I confuse the dead and irritate the living! > > ---------- > > From: Linda Baikie Gee <gees@home.com> > > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ORKNEY-L] HBC INFO RECEIVED: BAIKIE, ROBERTSON, MOWAT, RENDALL > ... > > Date: Saturday, June 19, 1999 2:28 AM > > > > When the Hudson's Bay Company Archives sent me information on BAIKIES > > who had been recruited from Orkney, they also sent a bonus -- a list of > > some seventeen other men who worked for the HBC during the period > > 1792-1808. I have the Hudson's Bay Company reference numbers so that you > > can contact them for additional information. Plus, I can send you what > > details I have: > > > > BAIKIE: Thomas - Birsay, Orkney Served 1858-1875 > > Andrew - Costa, Evie, Orkney Served 1804-1822, age 28? > > John - Walls, Orkney Served 1851-1861 > > George -- Entered service 1807, age 37 > > > > ROBERTSON: > > David Entered: 1797, age 31 > > James 1792, age 41 > > Thomas 1808, age 20 > > John 1804, age 25 > > > > ROBINSON, George 1807, age 43 > > > > MOWAT: James 1803, age 49 > > William 1809 > > > > RENDALL, George 1808, age 21 > > Magnus 1807, age 39 > > > > ARTHUR, Magnus 1808, age 24 > > > > JOHNSTON, Thomas 1808, age 24 > > > > HARPER: Peter 1807, age 31 > > William 1803, age 41 > > > > BALLENDEN, John 1807, 28 years > > > > I have no idea if these men were all from Orkney, if they worked > > together, or what -- they were listed below the service record of Andrew > > Baikie (described in HBCA's records as, "An excellent and trustworthy > > man".) > > > > Linda > > > > P.S. Thanks again to Ron Garson who first put me on to the HBCA > > P.P.S. If you want me to send you the attaments HBCA sent me, first let > > me know whether you have Windows '95 or Windows '97 -- and if you have > > neither, I'll send them anyway and we'll see what happens! > >