Could the spelling be "PETRIE"???. I have been going thru 50 years of census this month for South Ronaldshay and sometimes what you think you are looking at is what you think at all. I found someone with the surname Rofs only to find out later it is Ross. I am searching the Petrie's from all of Orkney so if anyone comes across any in their census research I sure would love the info. Happy Hunting Janine -----Original Message----- From: Greenwood [SMTP:finn@ionet.net] Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 9:38 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY-L] PIERIE request 1891 Census Extras - PIERIE - Hope this helps somewhere along the line ! Meg Greenwood Census place - Orphir : Betsy BALLANTINE (born Orphir) in 'Aikley' - head - widow - 49 yrs - General Servant. Has 2 rooms with 1 or more windows. Had to list Betsy, or we would not know who James was the 'son' of. James PIERIE(born Orphir) in 'Aikley' (name of house) - son - unmar - 18 yrs - Employed as Tailor's Apprentice David PIERE - (born Aberdeenshire) in 'Orakirk' (name of house) - head - marr - 41 yrs - Farmer. Has 3 rooms with 1 or more windows An PIERIE (spelled exactly) (born Aberdeenshire) - wife - marr - 35 yrs (number unclear) Mary M PIERIE (born Orphir) - dau - 5 yrs An L PIERIE (born Orphir) - dau - 3 yrs Guests Mary BALLANTYNE (born Aberdeenshire) - visitor - marr - 40yrs - Farmer's wife Mary J BALLANTYNE (born Evie) - dau - 4 yrs There is a small mark possibly indicating Mary is the daughter of the Guest and 2 unrelated servants - Alex Cragie - 14 yrs, and Gavin Johnston - 19 yrs, both born Stenness

Dazyy5@aol.com: >> Thanks so much. That's just what I needed to know. I have no need (or use-capability) to purchase. I just want to view. << I was under the impression that you had been to an LDS Family History Center before, and knew that they have fifty eleven zillion microfiche available for you to view. They are organized in various groupings, such as: 1. International Genealogical Index (IGI): Millions & millions of names. You will not find dates of death on this index. But, did you know that your ancestor's name is not even on this index unless a member of the LDS has performed an LDS ordinance for your ancestor? There are a variety of ordinances which they perform besides Baptisms. 2. Locality Catalog: This shows you what types of records have been microfilmed for a particular locality. Have you seen the one for Orkney yet? All of Scotland is on 8 microfiche. 3. Surname Catalog: This shows you which books that a particular surname are listed in, even if the title may not include your particular surname. Through these records, I was able to find 2 books that included my direct lineage, and I had no idea that they were ever published. Many of these books are also available to rent via microfilm from the LDS. 4. Author, Subject & Title Catalog: This catalog is MASSIVE! A listing of just about everything regarding family history in the entire world. As you may or may not know, a lot of this info is also available on www.familysearch.org . But, this website has a lot of traffic, and I find it much easier to get a bird's eyeview via microfiche. Also, the microfiche allows you to see various codes, which gives you many more clues in your research. I apologize if you thought that I was trying to get you to purchase something that you have no need for. I have a microfiche reader on my desk, right next to my computer. With my stack of microfiche, I can look up all sorts of info for people who appear to have no access to records. Everyone who is on this list, does not have access to the web. I, for example, am writing this email to you, via a 486 computer that has only email access on it. One other thing: I am not affiliated with the LDS in any way. However, I do know that they have the largest collection of genealogical records in the entire world. They are the ones who created GEDCOM & the first genealogy software called PAF. They are also the ones who started the massive microfilming projects during the 1940s. If it wasn't for their efforts, I could not have found a lot of what I have, unless I visited the actual courthouses & State Archives. When I am satisfied that I have collected a large amount of information on one of my particular lineages, here is what I do: I submit a GEDCOM diskette to the LDS Ancestral File, and then I print out a hard copy of narrative about these folks, and organize & index it in book form. Many of today's genealogy software programs will do this for you. I send this hard copy to the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City, UT, and they have it hardbound for their library's circulation. I also give them the right to microfilm my book, so that someone else who is looking for this info, will be able to find it, maybe 50 years from now. Everything that I submitted to the LDS Ancestral File in 1995, is now available for others to download via www.familysearch.org . The main fruits of our genealogical efforts is the ability to share with others. You often hear a lot about how inaccurate the LDS records are. But, in genealogy, you have to take everything with a grain of salt. Do you think that you have actual "proof" of anything? Think about it. The only real proof of your ancestors, is if you have a video tape of you being born, and then, you would only know who your mother was. While people were giving depositions in court, responding to census enumerators, and giving information about the deceased on a death certificate, do you think that everything that they stated was accurate? Not to mention, the massive amount of errors that you can find in newspaper obituaries, as well as tombstones at cemeteries. The best that we can do, is to measure the whole pile of "evidence", and try to make a conclusion based on this. The LDS should be commended for providing most of this information to us for FREE, or for such a ridiculously low price, that it only compensates them for their actual costs. Have you ever seen their "jam packed" Research Outline of Scotland, which only costs one dollar? They also have FREE publications for: 1. Scottish Church Records. 2. Parish and Vital Records. Take care, and Happy Hunting! William A. Mills Perry, GA USA ======= On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 13:31:27 EDT Dazyy5@aol.com writes: Thanks so much. That's just what I needed to know. I have no need (or use-capability) to purchase. I just want to view. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Janine - This name is clearly PIERIE. Have looked for PETRIE, unelss one of these enumerators hen scratchings clears up and becomes PETRIE, there are none on these extra sheets . Apologies ! The only other ' P ' listing is for PEACE. Creative thinking is a necessity when reading some of these names ! I have used the Cursiter site to help me get possibilities for a few - like VELZIAN ! MLSOU becomes WILSON, COSMO might become COCK, BRAION will probably be BROWN, but why is the 'dot' there? My HALCRO was listed as HALERS. There is a name that looks like CASKEY, but that ' K ' is strange. the legs that kick out are really more of a squiggle resembling a ' 3 '. Looks like an ' h ' with a kinked right leg ! And it is written precicely this way 6 times in a row. He was Minister of the Orphir Parish. Guesses are welcomed !!! Look at the listings for PIERIE, and if they are a good fit for your PETRIE family - eMail me, I can easily send a scan - or I can do it anyway if you want to see what it really looks like. Easily done. - Meg Greenwood

G'day from Western Australia, I'm new to the list, but you may have seen my name elsewhere in relation to the 1851 and 1821 Census transcripts and indexes that I've published on microfiche. "The Orcadian" is a weekly newspaper published in Kirkwall. Price £61.88 payable by credit card. (The £61.88 pre annum is for surface mail to Western Australia, but the papers often come by air mail). The address to write to is The Orcadian Ltd, P.O. Box 18, Kirkwall, Orkney KW15 1DW, Scotland or Fax (0)1856-879001. I notice that some of the recent postings relate to the Parishes of Orphir, Stromness and South Ronaldshay. These are three of the six Parishes that have survived from the 1821 Census. (The others are Sandwick, St Andrews and Deerness and they're available in North America on microfiche from the Ontario Genealogical Society ) The 1821 lists all household members and often has some gem of a comment by 19th century transcribers. For places to stay, contact the Orkney Tourist Bureau in Kirkwall. They have a free brochure listing accommodation ranging from hotels to bed & breakfast to self catering cottages. (Sorry I haven't got their address at my fingertips). Cheers David Armstrong Researching Stewart, Stout, Baikie, Malcomson, Sutherland, Heddle, Bews, Gray mostly in Walls

At 09:54 PM 7/20/99 +0800, David Armstrong wrote: >For places to stay, contact the Orkney Tourist Bureau in Kirkwall. They >have a free brochure listing accommodation ranging from hotels to bed & >breakfast to self catering cottages. (Sorry I haven't got their address at >my fingertips). See http://www.orkney.com for places to stay - many are listed and some include pictures. Anne Rendall

Thanks so much. That's just what I needed to know. I have no need (or use-capability) to purchase. I just want to view.

Mr. Armstrong, Thank you so much for all of the info. I really do appreciate it, and look forward to visiting Orkney. Take care! William A. Mills Perry, GA ======= On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 21:54:35 +0800 "David Armstrong" <davidrli@iinet.net.au> writes: >G'day from Western Australia, >I'm new to the list, but you may have seen my name elsewhere in >relation to >the 1851 and 1821 Census transcripts and indexes that I've published >on >microfiche. > >"The Orcadian" is a weekly newspaper published in Kirkwall. Price >£61.88 >payable by credit card. (The £61.88 pre annum is for surface mail to >Western Australia, but the papers often come by air mail). The >address to >write to is >The Orcadian Ltd, P.O. Box 18, Kirkwall, Orkney KW15 1DW, Scotland >or Fax (0)1856-879001. > >I notice that some of the recent postings relate to the Parishes of >Orphir, >Stromness and South Ronaldshay. These are three of the six Parishes >that >have survived from the 1821 Census. (The others are Sandwick, St >Andrews >and Deerness and they're available in North America on microfiche from >the >Ontario Genealogical Society ) The 1821 lists all household members >and >often has some gem of a comment by 19th century transcribers. > >For places to stay, contact the Orkney Tourist Bureau in Kirkwall. >They >have a free brochure listing accommodation ranging from hotels to bed >& >breakfast to self catering cottages. (Sorry I haven't got their >address at >my fingertips). > >Cheers >David Armstrong > >Researching >Stewart, Stout, Baikie, Malcomson, Sutherland, Heddle, Bews, Gray >mostly in Walls > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

William, I would also appreciate answers to some of the questions you have posed if you find out off-list. thanks, Jan Grant Canberra, Australia -----Original Message----- From: William A. Mills <wmamills@juno.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 20 July 1999 2:55 AM Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Orcadian Info. >Orkney Researchers, > >I have a few questions that I am hoping some of you may be able to help >me with: > >1. Are any of you who are on this Orkney-L list, actual residents of the >Orkney Islands of Scotland? > >2. How can I susbscribe to the Orcadian newspaper? And is it possible to >do it via the internet? > >3. I am considering coming to Orkney in the near future. Most of my >Rusland, Russell, Barnet, Thomson, & Groat ancestors were from Shapinsay >& South Ronaldsay. Can anyone give me any advice as to where to stay in >that vicinity? > >4. I am planning on visiting THE ORKNEY LIBRARY in Kirkwall, Orkney, >which was founded in 1683, and is Scotland's oldest Public Library. Can >anyone give me any info on what genealogical & local history collections >they have. Does this library have an email address? > >William A. Mills >Perry, GA >USA > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > >

Hi I'm also researching the Thomson's of South Ronaldsay. Which Thomson's are you tracing? My Thomson's are John Thomson who married Margaret Annal. Margaret is said to have been the younger half sister of John Annal who married Helen Flett. Does any of this sound familiar? Diane Davison Ontario, Canada ---------- > From: William A. Mills <wmamills@juno.com> > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Orcadian Info. > Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 12:53 PM > > Orkney Researchers, > > I have a few questions that I am hoping some of you may be able to help > me with: > > 1. Are any of you who are on this Orkney-L list, actual residents of the > Orkney Islands of Scotland? > > 2. How can I susbscribe to the Orcadian newspaper? And is it possible to > do it via the internet? > > 3. I am considering coming to Orkney in the near future. Most of my > Rusland, Russell, Barnet, Thomson, & Groat ancestors were from Shapinsay > & South Ronaldsay. Can anyone give me any advice as to where to stay in > that vicinity? > > 4. I am planning on visiting THE ORKNEY LIBRARY in Kirkwall, Orkney, > which was founded in 1683, and is Scotland's oldest Public Library. Can > anyone give me any info on what genealogical & local history collections > they have. Does this library have an email address? > > William A. Mills > Perry, GA > USA > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >

Deb - the LAUGHTONS do not match at all. The SWANNEY might be related if this William and your Thomas were brothers : William SWANNEY (born Eday) - at 53 Victoria Street in Kirkwall - head - marr - 49 yrs - Grocer (the employer). House had 4 rooms with at least 1 window. Jane SWANNEY (born Kirkwall) - wife - marr - 50 yrs Robert SWANNEY (born Kirkwall) - son - 12 yrs - scholar Charles E SWANNEY (born Kirkwall) - son - 9 yrs Jane Ann WILSON (born Kirkwall) - dau - unmar - 27 yrs Employed as Grocer's Assistant There is also a SWANNIE in Kirkwall living with the John TAIT family: Maggie SWANNIE (born Eday) - sister-in-law - unmar - 30 yrs - Formerly Domestic Servant John TAIT (born Sanday) - head - marr - 53 yrs - Grocer Mary TAIT (born Eday) - wife - marr - 52 yrs - [ Maggie and Mary were SWANNIE sisters] There is a possible IRVINE listing but the copy is dark here - in Kirkwall at 78 Close Victoria St: Janet IRVINE (born Eday) - head - unmar - 78 yrs (could be 18). Self-employed as Stocking Knitter. Another IRVINE could be also in Kirkwall at 34 Close Victoria Street : William IRVINE (born Eday) - head - marr - 28 yrs - Canman (the C is a guess, the rest is clear) Margaret IRVINE (born Sanday) - wife - marr - 27 yrs Margaret A (guessing at 'A')(born Kirkwall) - dau - 2 months There is a BEWS from Shapinshay,, but Christina (born 1838) married William BEWS (born Stenness - 1842) and became a BEWS. Her maiden surname was unknown. All my BEWSes were born Orphir, Shapinshay should have traditionally been the Bride's Parish - so we can guess they are not closely related. - Meg Greenwood Your information: Thomas Laughton married Catherine Bews 29 March 1830, Shapinsay, Orkney ---daughter Margaret Laughton 22 March 1840 Thomas Swanney married Jane Irvine 7 Jan 1836, Eday & Pharay, Orkney ---son John Swanney 20 February 1841 Margaret Laughton m. John Swanney 2 May 1867 Shapinsay, Orkney ---daughter Catherine Margaret Swanney 11 June 1871 (My g-grandmother) these are the basics. Don't know if your Margaret Bews is related, must be somehow. Thanks for the help, Deb McPherson

1891 Census Extras - PIERIE - Hope this helps somewhere along the line ! Meg Greenwood Census place - Orphir : Betsy BALLANTINE (born Orphir) in 'Aikley' - head - widow - 49 yrs - General Servant. Has 2 rooms with 1 or more windows. Had to list Betsy, or we would not know who James was the 'son' of. James PIERIE(born Orphir) in 'Aikley' (name of house) - son - unmar - 18 yrs - Employed as Tailor's Apprentice David PIERE - (born Aberdeenshire) in 'Orakirk' (name of house) - head - marr - 41 yrs - Farmer. Has 3 rooms with 1 or more windows An PIERIE (spelled exactly) (born Aberdeenshire) - wife - marr - 35 yrs (number unclear) Mary M PIERIE (born Orphir) - dau - 5 yrs An L PIERIE (born Orphir) - dau - 3 yrs Guests Mary BALLANTYNE (born Aberdeenshire) - visitor - marr - 40yrs - Farmer's wife Mary J BALLANTYNE (born Evie) - dau - 4 yrs There is a small mark possibly indicating Mary is the daughter of the Guest and 2 unrelated servants - Alex Cragie - 14 yrs, and Gavin Johnston - 19 yrs, both born Stenness

Diane, Your ancestor's names are not in my direct lineage, but South Ronaldsay is not that large, and all of your surnames are in my book. Here is what I have: THOMSON Andrew Barbara George James Rachel ANNAL Jannet FLETT Janet >> John Thomson who married Margaret Annal. << In the IGI, I see that John Thomson married Margaret Annal on 21 Feb 1832 in South Ronaldsay, Orkney. Have you actually ordered the LDS microfilm of the Parish Register, and looked at the original entry? Rel@ively William A. Mills Perry, GA USA ======= On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 02:12:20 -0400 "Diane Davison" <dldavison@kwic.com> writes: Hi I'm also researching the Thomson's of South Ronaldsay. Which Thomson's are you tracing? My Thomson's are John Thomson who married Margaret Annal. Margaret is said to have been the younger half sister of John Annal who married Helen Flett. Does any of this sound familiar? Diane Davison Ontario, Canada ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

I'm not sure. I just sent to SLC for mine. I doubt that any of the FHC will have all of the fiche in stock for sale. They will have all of at least one copy of these fiche, so that you can utilize them for your research while you are there. William A. Mills Perry, GA ======= On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:34:08 EDT Dazyy5@aol.com writes: Can these fisches be obtained through any local LDS center or do you have to send to Salt Lake to get them? ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

If you get a reply off list maybe you can send it to the list. I too would be interested in your replies to this. My ancestors are Petrie's from South Ronaldshay\Burray. Janine On Monday, July 19, 1999 10:53 AM, Pat Price Flatt [SMTP:priceace@ionsys.com] wrote: > Hi William: <:) if someone e-mails you off the list would you kindly > forward the info to me? My children's ancestors, FLATTS, come > from, KIRKWALL,ORKNEY ISLES. > Thanks, Pat in Canada > > ---------- > > From: William A. Mills <wmamills@juno.com> > > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Orcadian Info. > > Date: Monday, July 19, 1999 12:53 PM > > > > Orkney Researchers, > > > > I have a few questions that I am hoping some of you may be able to help > > me with: > > > > 1. Are any of you who are on this Orkney-L list, actual residents of the > > Orkney Islands of Scotland? > > > > 2. How can I susbscribe to the Orcadian newspaper? And is it possible to > > do it via the internet? > > > > 3. I am considering coming to Orkney in the near future. Most of my > > Rusland, Russell, Barnet, Thomson, & Groat ancestors were from Shapinsay > > & South Ronaldsay. Can anyone give me any advice as to where to stay in > > that vicinity? > > > > 4. I am planning on visiting THE ORKNEY LIBRARY in Kirkwall, Orkney, > > which was founded in 1683, and is Scotland's oldest Public Library. Can > > anyone give me any info on what genealogical & local history collections > > they have. Does this library have an email address? > > > > William A. Mills > > Perry, GA > > USA > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > >

Can these fisches be obtained through any local LDS center or do you have to send to Salt Lake to get them?

William, thank you for your quick reply. No I have not been to the LDS. It is a bit impractical at this time with 2 small children, none-the-less, I suppose I should attempt it. :-) Thanks for the gentle push, Deb

Hi All Whilst I have not been carrying out very much research in either Orkney or Scotland, concentrating on Northumberland for the moment, I have noticed the mailings ref' HALCROW. I have a Jean HALCROW who married a Peter HEDDLE c 1796. Amongst their children was Ann HEDDLE who was my G.G.Grandmother. Ann HEDDLE married Thomas SKEA, which surname is my main interest on Orkney. So riding on the back of the current discussions. Can anyone pad out any information about the above Jean HALCROW. Regards Charles LYON Maghull Merseyside UK

Meg! Thanks so much for all the 1891 Ballantyne info! I'm going to check what you've sent against the small amount of info I have. Yes, I would love to have the PIERIE info if it's not too much trouble, since there was a Ballantyne visitor there while the census was taken. Thanks again Regards Patty

William, I am interested in purchasing one. Please let me know how Ivan ----- Original Message ----- From: William A. Mills <wmamills@juno.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] Early Fletts from Orkney > John, > > >> Do you have any other sources that I have not covered above or other > ideas that might help me? << > > Have you read every page of the LDS Locality Catalog of Orkney, via > microfiche? I don't know if you could get a bird's eyeview from > www.familysearch.com or not. I have the actual microfiche, which is very > easy to read. However, there are hundreds of Orkney records which have > been filmed by the LDS besides the obvious vital, census, & estate > records. If you would like to purchase these microfiche, you can for > less than a dollar, plus S+H. If you want info on how to purchase these, > let me know. Happy Hunting! > > William A. Mills > Perry, GA > > ======= > > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 11:08:41 -0700 John & Mercedes Flett > <jflett@2xtreme.net> writes: > > Hi William, > > with regard to the IGI, I have the following databases on my > computer: > > International Genealogical Index (R) - 1994 Edition - Version 3.06 > Flett: Marriages - Caithness, Orkney & Shetland > Flett: Births & baptisms- Orkney, Caithness & Shetland 13 AUG 1997 > > Unfortunately the earliest listed James Flett from these databases is too > young to be my 7th Grt.Grandfather. > Is this the same as your micro-fish? > > I have also checked the Scot Origins on-line database: > > Scots ORIGINS database contains the indexes to birth and marriage entries > in Scotland's Old Parish Registers (1553-1854, with a few also for 1855 > and 1856); to birth, death and marriage entries in the Statutory > Registers(1855-1898); and to the 1891Census. These indexes are combined > into > a single database, containing over 25 million names, all of which can be > searched at once > > Here the earliest record available for Fletts is from 1657 but no trace > of my James Flett. > > Do you have any other sources that I have not covered above or other > ideas that might help me? > > Thanks > > John Flett > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >

Deb McPherson - I have some information on BEWS in the early 1800s. My line came from a HALCRO marriage to Margaret BEWS in Orphir, 1813. There are also a few BEWSes, SWANNEYs, IRVINEs and LAUGHTONs on my EXTRAs list for the 1891 census. LMKnow a few names you are looking for in these lines. I can easily see who is listed on the census. - Meg Greenwood - Oklahoma (not so far from Tennessee, either)