Does anyone know of any Taits or Taites who went from Orkley to the Red River Settlement in Canada. I am looking for the father of Jane Tait who m. John Spence at Ft. Douglas on 11/27/1820. Gordon W. Pace

Dear Meg & List thanks for the tip Meg, yes I do have some details on my particular side of the Tait family:- Robert Tait (born about 1810)wed Margaret Wick (they lived in "Deerness" in the Orkney Islands). They had 7 kids that I know of: William Tait (born 5 May 1833) Jane Tait (born 1836) Robert Tait (born 21 Jan 1838) James Tait (born 6 Dec 1841) John Hamilton Tait (born 29 Jan 1843) David Tait (born 1845) Andrew Smellie Tait (14 Jan or Feb 1847) - MY Great Great Grandfather Married Kate Ellis 24 Jan 1883 I would appreciate any further details on this family, in particular Robert Tait snr and Andrew Smellie Tait. thanks again Caroline Tait ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Dear List I wonder if anyone with access to the 1881 UK Census CD's would be kind enough to look up the TAIT family, from the ORKNEY ISLANDS Scotland. I'd appreciate any information I can get..... thanks Caroline Tait ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Greenwood wrote: > > Listers - If you do not have the 1881 CD set, this will probably be of no interest to you. Meg > Greenwood - Oklahoma > > Some of you have invested in the 1881 Census CDs, and are learning the myriad of ways to search > through them. I have just learned a method of searching for individual addresses, but it takes a > bit of scrolling. The NEIGHBORS tab is not fully understood It does not just give the identities > of the immediate neighbors, as I thought was the case. It allows you to scroll throughout the > ENTIRE CD for whatever you might want to find. There is just no way to know WHERE you are going. > > These CDs are not indexed to search for addresses. If you want to see who lived in a certain house, > or who lived in the lighthouse on a specific Island, unless you know their name, there is no way to > find it. > > However, if you knew the FIRST name listed for a particular city/town/village, it would be a simple > matter to start by locating this individual, hit the NEIGHBORS tab, and scroll down through the rest > of the city, entry by entry. Yes, it is time consuming, but with the help of knowing the FIRST name > of the listings for each city, there is at least a starting point. Who knows what you might find by > chance ! > > It was a very hot day here in Oklahoma, and I stayed inside once things were watered early in the > morning ! SO, I began to find the first family entry for each enumerated city in the Orkney > listings. What follows is the list of the FIRST entry for a city - do a SEARCH for this person - I > just use the Scotland Highlands disc, not the INDEX. I tried to chose a name from the family that > would yield only one individual, sometimes a year is needed to be specific. It will generally say > "Enumeration District 1 - Page 1" I did this ONLY for Orkney - give me a break - I did not get > heat stroke ! > > There are 4 boxed in areas for SEARCH : 1) Individual - enter the first and last name. 2) Birth > year - only needed occasionally, leave blank otherwise. 3) Birthplace - use <All> for the County, > and fill in the City. 4) Census Place - Region is 'Scotland Highlands', County is <All>, leave City > blank. Hit SEARCH. If you get a 'Modify Search' warning, check spelling, it must be EXACT. When > the right one is found, hit the NEIGHBORS button, and start scrolling ! > > Some of these districts are VERY LARGE - takes a long time to scroll through ! There are about 40 > Districts, some are listed twice, and are at 2 sites in the census, don't know why. > Zetland/Shetland is listed as found in the Census. > > If you want to search: Enter this name and birthplace: > > 1) Bressay, Zetland Thomas Macrae - Whalsay > Out of order listing for > 2) Lerwick and Gulberwick, Zet John Davidson - Quarff born 1876 > 3) Delting, Zet Gilbert Williamson - Delting > 4) Dunrossness, Zet Bruce Gaudie - Dunrossness > 5) Dunrossness Fair Isle, Zet Margaret Anne Wilson - Fair Isle > 6) Lerwick & Gulberwick, Zet Laurence Isbester - Unst > 7) Mid Yell, Zet James Smith - Setter > 8) Yell, Mid, Zet (another site) Elizabeth B Johnson - Mid Yell > 9) Yell South, Zet Jeremiah Henderson - Errisdale > 10) Nesting Lunnas Whalsay Skerri, Zet - Eliza Levie - North Yell > 11) Northmavine, Zet Arthur Mouat - Northmavine born 1859 > 12) Sandsting & Aitsting, Zet Ann I Rose - Delting > 13) Tingwall, Zet Harclus Irvine - Tingwall > 14) Whiteness & Weisdale, Zet Mary Goudie - Weisdale > 15) Unst, Zet Joan Grey - Unst born 1825 > 16) Walls, Zet Andrew Robertson - Walls > 17) Walls & Sandness, Zet Archibald Garriock - Sandsting > 18) Walls Sandness & Papa Stour, Zet - Elizabeth Fraser - Papa Stour born 1807 > 19) Walls, Zet (another site) Laurence Georgeson - Nesting > 20) Birsay & Harray Sophia Taylor - Birsay > 21) St Andrews & Deerness Margaret Gibson - Deerness > 22) Stronsay & Eday Jane Rendal - Eday > 23) Evie & Rendall David Miller - Evie born 1877 > 24) Firth & Stennes Lydia Sinclair - Veira > 25) Birsay & Harray (another site) Ann Flett - Harray born 1823 > 26) Holm William McBeath - Holm > 27) Hoy Cecilia Clouston - Hoy > 28) Kirkwall & St Ola Jemima McGregor - St Ola > 29) Cross Burness & No Ronaldshay - David Scott - No. Ronaldshay > 30) Orphir Betsy Mackay - Orphir > 31) Rousay & Egilshay Magnus Kirkness - Rousay > 32) St Andrews & Deerness Jessie Ann Spence - St Andrews > 33) Lady Amelia Harvey - Walls > 34) Cross Burness & No Ronaldshay (another site) - James Feu - Cross > 35) Sandwick Thomima Irvine - Sandwick > 36)Shapinshay Jane Irvine - Shapinshay > 37) So Ronaldshay & Burray Elizabeth Wallace - So Ronaldshay > 38) Stromness Lizzie Dennison - Kirkwall > 39) Stronsay & Eday Jesie Millan - Stronsay > 40) Walls & Flotta Jamesina Gallie - Reay > 41) Westray & Papa Westray Isabella Seator - Westray born 1863 > > No matter how many times I checked spelling, there must be something I missed - eMail me if a name > doesn't work, I checked them all once for performance. - Meg <finn@ionet.net> Hello Meg, I have the 1881 Census and I have enjoyed using it. I will try your method also, as it looks interesting. Wouldn't it be great if all the other census from 1821 on could be viewed in the same way. I managed to find more information on the Gunns. The Johnstons and Gunns appear in the Ancestral File although I have not connected them to the submitter. My GGGrandfather, George Gunn 1848, is on the list along with other Gunns and a few Johnstons. The submitters are all in the States, mainly Utah. George's father was Adam Gunn and he appears in the 1881 census living with his daughter in Kirkwall. I know this is correct as I have a copy of his death certificate. Did you manage to connect Morrison Gunn and your Halcro? Regards, Elizabeth

Listers - If you do not have the 1881 CD set, this will probably be of no interest to you. Meg Greenwood - Oklahoma Some of you have invested in the 1881 Census CDs, and are learning the myriad of ways to search through them. I have just learned a method of searching for individual addresses, but it takes a bit of scrolling. The NEIGHBORS tab is not fully understood It does not just give the identities of the immediate neighbors, as I thought was the case. It allows you to scroll throughout the ENTIRE CD for whatever you might want to find. There is just no way to know WHERE you are going. These CDs are not indexed to search for addresses. If you want to see who lived in a certain house, or who lived in the lighthouse on a specific Island, unless you know their name, there is no way to find it. However, if you knew the FIRST name listed for a particular city/town/village, it would be a simple matter to start by locating this individual, hit the NEIGHBORS tab, and scroll down through the rest of the city, entry by entry. Yes, it is time consuming, but with the help of knowing the FIRST name of the listings for each city, there is at least a starting point. Who knows what you might find by chance ! It was a very hot day here in Oklahoma, and I stayed inside once things were watered early in the morning ! SO, I began to find the first family entry for each enumerated city in the Orkney listings. What follows is the list of the FIRST entry for a city - do a SEARCH for this person - I just use the Scotland Highlands disc, not the INDEX. I tried to chose a name from the family that would yield only one individual, sometimes a year is needed to be specific. It will generally say "Enumeration District 1 - Page 1" I did this ONLY for Orkney - give me a break - I did not get heat stroke ! There are 4 boxed in areas for SEARCH : 1) Individual - enter the first and last name. 2) Birth year - only needed occasionally, leave blank otherwise. 3) Birthplace - use <All> for the County, and fill in the City. 4) Census Place - Region is 'Scotland Highlands', County is <All>, leave City blank. Hit SEARCH. If you get a 'Modify Search' warning, check spelling, it must be EXACT. When the right one is found, hit the NEIGHBORS button, and start scrolling ! Some of these districts are VERY LARGE - takes a long time to scroll through ! There are about 40 Districts, some are listed twice, and are at 2 sites in the census, don't know why. Zetland/Shetland is listed as found in the Census. If you want to search: Enter this name and birthplace: 1) Bressay, Zetland Thomas Macrae - Whalsay Out of order listing for 2) Lerwick and Gulberwick, Zet John Davidson - Quarff born 1876 3) Delting, Zet Gilbert Williamson - Delting 4) Dunrossness, Zet Bruce Gaudie - Dunrossness 5) Dunrossness Fair Isle, Zet Margaret Anne Wilson - Fair Isle 6) Lerwick & Gulberwick, Zet Laurence Isbester - Unst 7) Mid Yell, Zet James Smith - Setter 8) Yell, Mid, Zet (another site) Elizabeth B Johnson - Mid Yell 9) Yell South, Zet Jeremiah Henderson - Errisdale 10) Nesting Lunnas Whalsay Skerri, Zet - Eliza Levie - North Yell 11) Northmavine, Zet Arthur Mouat - Northmavine born 1859 12) Sandsting & Aitsting, Zet Ann I Rose - Delting 13) Tingwall, Zet Harclus Irvine - Tingwall 14) Whiteness & Weisdale, Zet Mary Goudie - Weisdale 15) Unst, Zet Joan Grey - Unst born 1825 16) Walls, Zet Andrew Robertson - Walls 17) Walls & Sandness, Zet Archibald Garriock - Sandsting 18) Walls Sandness & Papa Stour, Zet - Elizabeth Fraser - Papa Stour born 1807 19) Walls, Zet (another site) Laurence Georgeson - Nesting 20) Birsay & Harray Sophia Taylor - Birsay 21) St Andrews & Deerness Margaret Gibson - Deerness 22) Stronsay & Eday Jane Rendal - Eday 23) Evie & Rendall David Miller - Evie born 1877 24) Firth & Stennes Lydia Sinclair - Veira 25) Birsay & Harray (another site) Ann Flett - Harray born 1823 26) Holm William McBeath - Holm 27) Hoy Cecilia Clouston - Hoy 28) Kirkwall & St Ola Jemima McGregor - St Ola 29) Cross Burness & No Ronaldshay - David Scott - No. Ronaldshay 30) Orphir Betsy Mackay - Orphir 31) Rousay & Egilshay Magnus Kirkness - Rousay 32) St Andrews & Deerness Jessie Ann Spence - St Andrews 33) Lady Amelia Harvey - Walls 34) Cross Burness & No Ronaldshay (another site) - James Feu - Cross 35) Sandwick Thomima Irvine - Sandwick 36)Shapinshay Jane Irvine - Shapinshay 37) So Ronaldshay & Burray Elizabeth Wallace - So Ronaldshay 38) Stromness Lizzie Dennison - Kirkwall 39) Stronsay & Eday Jesie Millan - Stronsay 40) Walls & Flotta Jamesina Gallie - Reay 41) Westray & Papa Westray Isabella Seator - Westray born 1863 No matter how many times I checked spelling, there must be something I missed - eMail me if a name doesn't work, I checked them all once for performance. - Meg <finn@ionet.net>

Greenwood wrote: > > Listers - Here is a continuation of the extra sheets from the 1891 Census of Orphir, Stromness, > and Kirkwall. Sorry for the break in sending them, I am back now, and will continue. About 1/3 of > the way done after this post. Please ask if you have any questions, some of this is handwriting is > abominable. However, I can only guess as to the temperatures in early April on Orkney - sitting at > a chilly desk, transcribing someone else's handwriting. - Meg Greenwood - Oklahoma > > ORPHIR : > > 'Cott' - a house with 2 rooms with more than 1 window > Andrew TAYLOR (born Orphir) - head - mar - 80 yrs - Farmer > Ann TAYLOR (born Orphir) - wife - mar - 77 yrs > Mary TAYLOR (born Orphir) - dau - unmar - 35 yrs (might be 33) > > 'Post Office Cottage' - had 2 rooms with more than 1 window > Elizabeth HALCRO (born Orphir) - head - widow - 72 - Dressmaker > Mary GROUNDWATER (born Orphir) - niece - 10 - scholar > > 'Garra' - had 2 rooms with more than 1 window > Williiam SLATER (whole family born Orphir) - head - marr - 45 yrs - farmer > Tomima SLATER - wife - mar - 41 yrs > Isabella SLATER - dau - unmar - 12 yrs - scholar > Alexander SLATER - son - 10 yrs - scholar > John SLATER - son - 8 yrs - scholar > Ann SLATER - dau - 7 yrs - scholar > Thomas SLATER - son - 5 yrs - scholar > Robert SLATER - son - 3 yrs > James SLATER - son - 1 yr > > 'Blacksmith's Cott' - had 2 windows with more than 1 room > William BEWS (born Stenness) - head - marr - 49 yrs - Blacksmith > Christima BEWS (born Shapisnhay) - wife - mar - 53 yrs > John W BEWS (born Orphir) - son - unmar - 24 yrs - Blacksmith > Ann H J BEWS (born Orphir) - dau - unmar - 19 yrs - Domestic > Joseph S BEWS (born Orphir) - son - unmar - 14 yrs - Blacksmith's apprentice > James BEWS (born Orphir) - son - 12 yrs - scholar > Jean BEWS (born Orphir) - dau - 9 yrs - scholar > > STROMNESS : > > no # on Victoria Street - this house was listed from the previous unknown page > Catherine MOWAT (born Hoy) - servant - unmar - 20 yrs - Domestic > John SHEARER (born Stromness) - Grandson - 9 yrs - scholar > > no # on Victoria Street - this house had 3 rooms with more than 1 window > Jessie STANGER (whole family born Stromness) - head - widow - 57 yrs - Grocer > Maggie STANGER - dau - unmar - 18 yrs > William G STANGER - son - 16 yrs - Drapers Apprentice > Elizabeth VELZIAN - sister - unmar - 51 yrs - Seamstress > > no # on John Street - this home had 4 rooms with more than 1 window > Mary A GARSON (whole family born Stromness) - head - mar - Ship Carpenter's Wife > Mary S GARSON - dau - unmar - 19 yrs - Dressmaker > Patrisha M GARSON - dau - unmar - 17 yrs - Pupil Teacher Public School > William A GARSON - son - 11 yrs - scholar > > no # on John Street - this home had 2 rooms with more than 1 window > Fraser FIDDLER (whole family born Stromness) - head - mar - 69 yrs - General Labourer > Isabella FIDDLER - wife - mar - 70 yrs > John FIDDLER - son - unmar - 31 yrs - Shoemaker > Jessie FIDDLER - dau - unmar - 34 yrs - Shirtmaker > Alexander FIDDLER - Grandson - 12 yrs - scholar > > no # on John Street - this home had 7 rooms with more than 1 window > Andrew MURRAY (whole family born Stromness) - head - mar - 82 yrs - Retired Ship Master > Ann MURRAY - wife - mar - 78 yrs - > Annie MURRAY - dau - unmar - 47 yrs - Keeper of Fancy Shop (yes, that's what it says!) > Margaret HALCRO - Sister-in-Law - unmar - 83 yrs - > > no # on John Street - this home had 2 rooms with more than 1 window > Sutherland STOUT (born Walls) - head - mar - 56 yrs - Fisherman > Isabella STOUT (born Walls) - wife - mar - 44 yrs > James STOUT (born Stromness) - son - unmar - 21 yrs - Seaman > Isabella STOUT (born Stromness) - dau - unmar - 18 yrs Dressmaker > William STOUT (born Stromness) - son - 16 yrs - Apprentice Joiner > Alexander STOUT (born Stromness) - son - 14 yrs - scholar Message for Meg . Thanks very much for forwarding extra sheets on 1891 census. I seem to have missed previous sheets any chance of getting them forwarded . Much appreciated and apologies for inconvenience. I an particulaly interested in Kirkwall. Cheers and regards Lorraine

Listers - Here is a continuation of the extra sheets from the 1891 Census of Orphir, Stromness, and Kirkwall. Sorry for the break in sending them, I am back now, and will continue. About 1/3 of the way done after this post. Please ask if you have any questions, some of this is handwriting is abominable. However, I can only guess as to the temperatures in early April on Orkney - sitting at a chilly desk, transcribing someone else's handwriting. - Meg Greenwood - Oklahoma ORPHIR : 'Cott' - a house with 2 rooms with more than 1 window Andrew TAYLOR (born Orphir) - head - mar - 80 yrs - Farmer Ann TAYLOR (born Orphir) - wife - mar - 77 yrs Mary TAYLOR (born Orphir) - dau - unmar - 35 yrs (might be 33) 'Post Office Cottage' - had 2 rooms with more than 1 window Elizabeth HALCRO (born Orphir) - head - widow - 72 - Dressmaker Mary GROUNDWATER (born Orphir) - niece - 10 - scholar 'Garra' - had 2 rooms with more than 1 window Williiam SLATER (whole family born Orphir) - head - marr - 45 yrs - farmer Tomima SLATER - wife - mar - 41 yrs Isabella SLATER - dau - unmar - 12 yrs - scholar Alexander SLATER - son - 10 yrs - scholar John SLATER - son - 8 yrs - scholar Ann SLATER - dau - 7 yrs - scholar Thomas SLATER - son - 5 yrs - scholar Robert SLATER - son - 3 yrs James SLATER - son - 1 yr 'Blacksmith's Cott' - had 2 windows with more than 1 room William BEWS (born Stenness) - head - marr - 49 yrs - Blacksmith Christima BEWS (born Shapisnhay) - wife - mar - 53 yrs John W BEWS (born Orphir) - son - unmar - 24 yrs - Blacksmith Ann H J BEWS (born Orphir) - dau - unmar - 19 yrs - Domestic Joseph S BEWS (born Orphir) - son - unmar - 14 yrs - Blacksmith's apprentice James BEWS (born Orphir) - son - 12 yrs - scholar Jean BEWS (born Orphir) - dau - 9 yrs - scholar STROMNESS : no # on Victoria Street - this house was listed from the previous unknown page Catherine MOWAT (born Hoy) - servant - unmar - 20 yrs - Domestic John SHEARER (born Stromness) - Grandson - 9 yrs - scholar no # on Victoria Street - this house had 3 rooms with more than 1 window Jessie STANGER (whole family born Stromness) - head - widow - 57 yrs - Grocer Maggie STANGER - dau - unmar - 18 yrs William G STANGER - son - 16 yrs - Drapers Apprentice Elizabeth VELZIAN - sister - unmar - 51 yrs - Seamstress no # on John Street - this home had 4 rooms with more than 1 window Mary A GARSON (whole family born Stromness) - head - mar - Ship Carpenter's Wife Mary S GARSON - dau - unmar - 19 yrs - Dressmaker Patrisha M GARSON - dau - unmar - 17 yrs - Pupil Teacher Public School William A GARSON - son - 11 yrs - scholar no # on John Street - this home had 2 rooms with more than 1 window Fraser FIDDLER (whole family born Stromness) - head - mar - 69 yrs - General Labourer Isabella FIDDLER - wife - mar - 70 yrs John FIDDLER - son - unmar - 31 yrs - Shoemaker Jessie FIDDLER - dau - unmar - 34 yrs - Shirtmaker Alexander FIDDLER - Grandson - 12 yrs - scholar no # on John Street - this home had 7 rooms with more than 1 window Andrew MURRAY (whole family born Stromness) - head - mar - 82 yrs - Retired Ship Master Ann MURRAY - wife - mar - 78 yrs - Annie MURRAY - dau - unmar - 47 yrs - Keeper of Fancy Shop (yes, that's what it says!) Margaret HALCRO - Sister-in-Law - unmar - 83 yrs - no # on John Street - this home had 2 rooms with more than 1 window Sutherland STOUT (born Walls) - head - mar - 56 yrs - Fisherman Isabella STOUT (born Walls) - wife - mar - 44 yrs James STOUT (born Stromness) - son - unmar - 21 yrs - Seaman Isabella STOUT (born Stromness) - dau - unmar - 18 yrs Dressmaker William STOUT (born Stromness) - son - 16 yrs - Apprentice Joiner Alexander STOUT (born Stromness) - son - 14 yrs - scholar

The census was taken for the whole of the UK on these dates: The dates the Census was taken: 1841 - June 7 1851- March 31 1861- April 8 1871 - April 3 1881- April 3 These dates may help in figuring dates of birth. This came from a member of the Lanarkshire list. There is also an informative site at the following address: http://globalgenealogy.com/gazfd29.htm This is unfortunately only an England and Wales site, but the information is still valuable. The Scottish counties are of course, not listed. There is a great deal of information about the availability of the upcoming 1901 census to be released about 2003. If someone knows of a Scots site for census info - please list it, it deserves to be passed on ! - Meg Greenwood - Oklahoma

I have seen some information giving the dates when the 1841-1891 census were done in England and Wales, are these dates also true for the Scottish census and if not does anyone have a listing of the dates of these census' ?

Hi David. I have never been to Orkney and will not likely get there now. My G GM Elizabeth Sutherland dau of Donald Sutherland, farmer at Walls, and his wife Anne Low, was born 1813,at Walls. I assumed that was Orkney but I noticed recently there is a Walls in Shetland also. Can you tell me about Walls in Orkney? Are there parish records? Blake Allan, Victoria BC -----Original Message----- From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 7:15 AM Subject: Fw: [ORKNEY-L] Holm Questions >G'day Debbie, >I think you can rest assured that Deepdale hasn't been "developed". The >current population of Orkney is only in the mid to upper 20,000s. > >A Quoy is an enclosure usually with a stone wall, and usually used for >penning farm animals. I believe it originates from the old Norse dialect >called Norn which was displaced by English. (Gaelic is not a language that >is native to Orkney). > >Regards >David, >Perth, WA > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <DMHINEY@aol.com> >To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 12:33 AM >Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Holm Questions > > >> Hello Everyone! >> >> I was wondering if anyone out there was familiar with Holm Orkney. My >great >> great grandfather William Campbell was a farmer of 100 acres in Deepdale >> Holm. He was listed in the 1881 and 1891 census I believe he died >sometime >> in the early 1900's. I was just curious if deepdale was the name of his >farrm >> or is it a village? I found it on a Mainland Orkney map and was wondering >is >> it still farm land or has it been developed? I hoping in the next year I >can >> get out there for a visit so that I can see where my family farmed. Also >can >> someone tell me what Quoy stands for. I see this alot on the Orkney map >was >> just curious of what it meant. >> >> Thanks Everyone >> >> Debbie >> Medford Oregon USA >> >> ______________________________ >

John Sorry to take so long to get back to you but I had a computer crash and it has taken several days to get things up and running right again. I haven't had a chance to look up the info you asked about but I will do this week and get back to you with what I find. Janine -----Original Message----- From: JOHN KELDAY [SMTP:JKELDAY@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 1:01 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Petrie Family Janine, You wrote that you are searching the Petrie family from all of Orkney. It is possible that I have a Petrie in my direct line, but I am lacking some information to prove or disprove the link. I have traced all my line back to a marriage in 1791 between Robert Kelday and Mary Hervy in Kirkwall, but I don't know when Robert was born or who his parents were. The record I have prior to this event is a marriage in Kirkwall between another Robert Kelday and Isobel PETRIE on 19th January 1771but I can find no records of any children from this couple. Could they be my Robert's parents? Do you have any additional info? Regards John Kelday

G'day Debbie, I think you can rest assured that Deepdale hasn't been "developed". The current population of Orkney is only in the mid to upper 20,000s. A Quoy is an enclosure usually with a stone wall, and usually used for penning farm animals. I believe it originates from the old Norse dialect called Norn which was displaced by English. (Gaelic is not a language that is native to Orkney). Regards David, Perth, WA ----- Original Message ----- From: <DMHINEY@aol.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 12:33 AM Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Holm Questions > Hello Everyone! > > I was wondering if anyone out there was familiar with Holm Orkney. My great > great grandfather William Campbell was a farmer of 100 acres in Deepdale > Holm. He was listed in the 1881 and 1891 census I believe he died sometime > in the early 1900's. I was just curious if deepdale was the name of his farrm > or is it a village? I found it on a Mainland Orkney map and was wondering is > it still farm land or has it been developed? I hoping in the next year I can > get out there for a visit so that I can see where my family farmed. Also can > someone tell me what Quoy stands for. I see this alot on the Orkney map was > just curious of what it meant. > > Thanks Everyone > > Debbie > Medford Oregon USA > > ______________________________

At 09:52 AM 7/24/99 +0800, David wrote: >The four outstanding Parishes being Sanday (in progress), Shapinshay, >Stronsay and Westray which I hope to have available by the end of the year. The Westray census is available from Gavin Rendall (fifth cousin once removed) in database format for the period of 1841-1891 he can put it on a PC or Mac disk. It can be used with any database program (though Microsoft isn't good at importing from other databases, it can be done, I use it with Lotus) I think the charge is 6 pounds. Gavin will accept foreign checks. His email address is westroot@nildram.co.uk Gavin also publishes "Westray Roots" a newsletter, 4 times a year. Anne Rendall Volunteer List Owner Orkney-L Volunteer host Orkney GenWeb http://www.rendall.net/orkney/

Just me again! Sorry for all the question but I'm just curious by nature! I had family in 1881 census that were farmers in Uia Elia Sandwick Orkney. I was just wondering if anyone was familiar with this area and is it still there? I couldnt find it on the Orkney Map. Thanks again DEbbie Medford Oregon USA

Hello Everyone! I was wondering if anyone out there was familiar with Holm Orkney. My great great grandfather William Campbell was a farmer of 100 acres in Deepdale Holm. He was listed in the 1881 and 1891 census I believe he died sometime in the early 1900's. I was just curious if deepdale was the name of his farrm or is it a village? I found it on a Mainland Orkney map and was wondering is it still farm land or has it been developed? I hoping in the next year I can get out there for a visit so that I can see where my family farmed. Also can someone tell me what Quoy stands for. I see this alot on the Orkney map was just curious of what it meant. Thanks Everyone Debbie Medford Oregon USA

Very interested in your info about what has or has not been microfilmed / fiched in Orkney and everything else that is available from the LDS. Do you know if similar info is available for Caithness? Catriona ----- Original Message ----- From: <DMHINEY@aol.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] Early Fletts from Orkney > I to would be interested in information on purchasing info! > Thanx > > Debbie Surnames: Will, Campbell, Farquharson, Millar, Cruickshank all of > Orkney > >

Hi Pat and All with copies of the Parish DataBase. Thank you. Judging by information gathered while distributing the DataBase File a number of people have not used a DataBase before, and not known the advantages over a text document. The information can be changed and displayed as shown BELOW. To change the order for: WORKS: Goto Record: Record Sort: Sort By; Then By; Then By: OK. EXCEL: Goto Data : Sort : Sort By; Then By; Then By: OK. ACCESS: (Choose) Column(Field): Records : Sort: Sort Ascend/Descend. or (Choose) Column(Field): Tool Bar Icon- A/Z (Arrow up/down) APPROACH:(Choose) Column(Field): Worksheet: Sort: Sort Ascend/Descend. Combinations Available: ============================================================ Parish Name ALPHABETICAL - ------------------------------- PARISH NAME PREFIX PARISH No. SUFFIX COUNTY Abbey (B,C,M) 11 559/ 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey St. Bathams (B,C,M) 11 726/ 1 - 9 Berwick Abbey-Burgh 1855-1878 (B,C,M) 11 559/1 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey-Landward 1855-1878 (B,C,M) 11 559/2 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbotrule (B,C,M) 11 806/ 1 - 9 Roxburgh Abbotshall 1855-1874 (B,C,M) 11 399/ 1 - 9 Fife Abbotshall &Kirkcaldy 1875-1919 (B,C,M) 11 442/ 1 - 9 Fife ============================================================ Parish Number NUMERICAL - ----------------------------- PARISH NAME PREFIX PARISH No. SUFFIX COUNTY Abbotshall 1855-1874 (B,C,M) 11 399/ 1 - 9 Fife Abbotshall &Kirkcaldy1875-1919 (B,C,M) 11 442/ 1 - 9 Fife Abbey (B,C,M) 11 559/ 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey-Burgh 1855-1878 (B,C,M) 11 559/1 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey-Landward 1855-1878 (B,C,M) 11 559/2 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey St. Bathams (B,C,M) 11 726/ 1 - 9 Berwick Abbotrule (B,C,M) 11 806/ 1 - 9 Roxburgh ============================================================ County Name ALPHABETICAL & Parish Name ALPHABETICAL - -------------------------------------------------------------------- PARISH NAME PREFIX PARISH No. SUFFIX COUNTY Abbey St. Bathams (B,C,M) 11 726/ 1 - 9 Berwick Abbotshall 1855-1874 (B,C,M) 11 399/ 1 - 9 Fife Abbotshall &Kirkcaldy1875-1919 (B,C,M) 11 442/ 1 - 9 Fife Abbey (B,C,M) 11 559/ 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey-Burgh 1855-1878 (B,C,M) 11 559/1 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey-Landward 1855-1878 (B,C,M) 11 559/2 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbotrule (B,C,M) 11 806/ 1 - 9 Roxburgh ============================================================ County Name ALPHABETICAL & Parish Number NUMERICAL. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ PARISH NAME PREFIX PARISH No. SUFFIX COUNTY Abbey St. Bathams (B,C,M) 11 726/ 1 - 9 Berwick Abbotshall 1855-1874 (B,C,M) 11 399/ 1 - 9 Fife Abbotshall &Kirkcaldy1875-1919 (B,C,M) 11 442/ 1 - 9 Fife Abbey (B,C,M) 11 559/ 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey-Burgh 1855-1878 (B,C,M) 11 559/1 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbey-Landward 1855-1878 (B,C,M) 11 559/2 1 - 9 Renfrew Abbotrule (B,C,M) 11 806/ 1 - 9 Roxburgh ============================================================ Many Thanks, Arthur McGREGOR in NZ. Pat Churchill wrote: > > I'd just like to say how helpful Arthur's database has been. Great work, > Arthur!! > > Pat Churchill

G'day Meg, From 1801 to 1831 the government in London only wanted Heads of Household and numbers of dependents by age group on the Census returns. (I believe that this is similar to the early American Census records). However there was no network of Civil Servants to conduct the Census, so the responsibility in England fell on the Poor Law Unions until the establishment of the Registrar General's Department. This explains why the 1841 and 1851 Census for England have a Public Record Office Class No. prefixed "HO" (Home Office) whereas from 1861 onwards the Class No. prefix is "RG". An Act of the Scottish Parliament in the late 1600s had ordered each Parish to establish a school. Consequently, the early Census recording fell on the Parochial Schoolmaster. These Census recorders often took extra information for their own purposes and it is these records for which the six Parishes of Orkney have survived. The originals being in the Orkney Archives. To summarise them. Stromness & Sandwick. These are originals with no comments from mid-19th century transcribers. All household members are named (wives with Maiden names); exact ages; no relationships given but order within the household allows it to be worked out; occupations given . Some of the occupations are "Sailor, Straits" - a reference to the Whaling grounds in the Davis Straits; "Old Maid" for older unmarried woman; "Servant HBC". St Andrews and Deerness. These are mid-19th century transcripts with comments by the transcriber (eg. Head of this Household is the brother of that Head of Household; Died aged 72; etc) All names and ages given. The order allows relationships to be worked out. South Ronaldshay & Burray. The same as St Andrews and Deerness except by a different 19th century transcriber and some occupations given. Orphir. This appears to be an original and is in a different format. A sample Halcro household reads: 110) Thomas Halcro, Farmer in Evie, 40 to 50; Catherine Clouston his wife, 20 to 30; their children, Isabella, 5 to 10; his sister, Catherine, 40 to 50. 4 Black Cattle, 1 Swine, 1 Cart You can see one immediate benefit to all researchers in Orkney from the Orphir Census and that is the stocktake of all farm animals and implements which I haven't seen on any other Census. The fiche are available in North America through the Ontario Genealogical Society http://www.ogs.on.ca and in Great Britain through the Aberdeen and North East Scotland F.H.S. All six Parishes of the 1821 have been microfiched and 17 of the 21 Parishes of the 1851 Census. The four outstanding Parishes being Sanday (in progress), Shapinshay, Stronsay and Westray which I hope to have available by the end of the year. I think that OGS charges about $4.50 a set. They were reviewed in the May 1995 edition of the OGS journal Families. Hope this helps David Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Greenwood <finn@ionet.net> To: <davidrli@iinet.net.au> Sent: Friday, July 23, 1999 8:25 AM Subject: 1821 Census Orkney > David Armstrong - Thanks for posting about the 1821 surviving censuses. My local FHCenter says > these are enumerations only. It sounds like you might know differently ! One of the volunteers is > also most interested in this fiche. Please tell me more about this census. The bulk of my > relatives (that I can locate) are HALCROs and are from Orphir. A bit more information about > ordering the fiche would be most helpful !!! > > Ya'all take care now, y'hear?? > > Meg Greenwood - Oklahoma >

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G'day Debbie You say that Eliza was listed as a Sailor's wife in 1881 & 1891. To me this would indicate the Merchant Navy. On the Census records, if you see "Sailor", "Mariner" and of course "Merchant Seaman", try the Merchant Navy first. If you see "Seaman" by itself, then try the Royal Navy first. My experience of the census also suggests that Fisherman were listed as Fisherman not Sailors. Records for Merchant Seaman are held by the Registrar General of Shipping and Seaman, Llantrisant road, Llandaff, Cardiff CF5 2YS, Wales. The key to much of the shipping records is to know the name of the ship and year on which your ancestor served as a crewman, particularly for the earlier records. Over 70% of the old Crew Agreements are now held by the Maritime History Archive, Memorial University, St John's, Newfoundland. Similarly if you see "Pensioner", then it refers to retirement income for Service Performed and as such points to the Royal Navy (Greenwich Pensioners), British Army (Chelsea Pensioners) and other services such as Trinity House. The census refers to retirees living on investment income as "Annuitants". (Today, we are far too casual in the use of language and consequently can easily mis-understand the records about our ancestors). Passengers and crew on ships enumerated on the British 1861 census have been indexed. The index is available on microfiche through the Mormon libraries and consists of eight fiche (?) containing about 120,000 names in full alphabetical order. Cheers David Perth, WA (that's Western Australia, the real WA !) ----- Original Message ----- From: <DMHINEY@aol.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:42 AM Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Sailors from Stromness > Hello All! I'm looking for information on a George Will who married a Eliza > Sclater Millar in Stromness 1871. The 1881and 1891 census lists her as a > sailors wife and George is not mentioned. I assume this means he was out to > sea at the time of census. I tried looking him up under royal navy on 1881 > census but did not find him! > Does anyone know where I might look for list of sailors from stromness? > Could he have possibly been on a merchant type ship? Could sailor mean he > was a fisherman? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! > > Debbie > > ______________________________