ISBISTER and OMAND connections in Firth & Stenness, Orkney ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dazyy5@aol.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 1:42 AM Subject: [ORKNEY-L] OMAN - ISBISTER > Does anyone know of an Oman/Isbister connection c. 1750's? I am searching > for my 4xgreat-grandfather, Hugh Isbister born 1755 - Orkney (probably > Firth). He came to America c. 1755 on a ship called the Marlborough - > landing in Savannah, Georgia. > Any help greatly appreciated. > Frances Ivester Simonian - --------------------------------------------------- Frances; Here are some Hugh ISBISTER birth & christenings: Hugh ISBISTER (M), Chr: 15 Jul 1735 Firth & Stenness, Father: Henery ISBISTER Mother: Margaret ROBERTSON Hugh ISBISTER (M), Chr: 28 Feb 1748 Firth & Stenness, Father: Thomas ISBISTER Mother: Margaret CLOUSTON Hugh ISBISTER (M), Chr: Feb 1757 Firth & Stenness, Father: David ISBISTER Mother: Janet OMAND Hugh ISBISTER (M), B: Abt 1763 Spouse: Marjory SLATER Dregs, Kirkwall Hugh ISBISTER (M), B: Abt 1770 Spouse: Marjory CLOUSTON of Stromness Hugh ISBISTER (M) Chr: 24 Jul 1772 Stromness, Father: Henry ISBISTER Mother: Katharine BAIKIE Hew ISBESTER (M) Chr: 1 Jun 1777 Northmaven, Shetland, Father: James ISBESTER Mother: Eliz. LAURENCEDAUR. Hugh ISBESTER (M) B: 2 May 1795 Harray, Orkney, Father: William ISBESTER Mother: Jean SINCR. And here are some ISBISTER (M) and OMAND (F) partnerships and their children: Father: David ISBISTER, Mother: Janet, Jannet or Jennet OMAND, Children: Christian ISBISTER (F) Chr: 2 Feb 1755, Hugh ISBISTER (M) Chr: Feb 1757, Robert ISBISTER (M) Chr: 7 Mar 1759, William ISBISTER (M) Chr: 9 Jun 1769, Margaret ISBISTER (F) Chr: 16 Apr 1772, all Firth & Stenness, Father: Thomas ISBESTER, Mother: Helen OMAND, Children: Thomas ISBISTER (M) Chr: 1768, William ISBISTER (M) Chr: 4 Dec 1770, Margaret ISBISTER (F) Chr: 26 Mar 1772, Joseph ISBISTER (M) Chr: 1 Jun 1775, Christian ISBISTER (F) Chr: 12 Jun 1777, David ISBISTER (M) Chr: 25 Dec 1779, John ISBISTER (M) Chr: 5 May 1782, Betty ISBISTER (F) Chr: 29 Aug 1784, Helen ISBISTER (F) Chr: 2 Jan 1787, May ISBISTER (F) Chr: Apr 1789, Benjman ISBESTER (M) Chr: 12 Jul 1794, all Firth & Stenness Father: Hugh ISBISTER, Mother: Christian OMAND, Children: Joseph ISBISTER (M) Chr: 2 Jan 1755, Elisabeth ISBISTER (F) Chr: 13 Jan 1760, Jacoba ISBISTER (F) Chr: 8 Oct 1769, all Firth & Stenness Father: William ISBISTER, Mother: Catherine or Katharine OMAND, Children: Grisel ISBISTER (F) Chr: 31 May 1772, May ISBISTER (F) Chr: 31 May 1772, Margaret ISBISTER (F) Chr: 1779, John ISBISTER (M) Chr: 1788, all Firth & Stenness And some related messages: ----- Message ----- From: Roger Kelly <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 1999 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] Isbester or Isbister Orkney > -----Original Message----- > From: Les Kennedy <lkennedy@powerup.com.au> > > > >My GGGrandfather David Isbister was baptised at Harray in August 1792. His > >Father was William Isbester and Mother Jean Sinclair. David married Piggy. > >(Yes her birth was recorded as Piggy) Isbister on 28 July 1822 in Firth and > >Stenness. Her Father was David Isbester and Mother Christain Allan. Piggy > >was born on 20 November 1798 in Firth and Stenness.Their nine children were > >also born there. > >I hope someone else is tracing the same family. > >Les Kennedy lkennedy@powerup.com.au > > Les: > Your Isbisters and mine are pretty close I think. I am trying to find out > more about the lives, ancestors and descendants of my ggggrandparents George > CUSITER (1793-1872) and Jane or Jean ISBISTER (c1795-1857) of Nether > Hobbiston, Stennes, Firth. Both are buried in Finston Old Churchyard. Is > Jane a sister of David or Piggy or of another local or not so local Isbister > family? > Maybe there are clues in the names of the couple's children who appear to > be: > Jane CURSETER (b 1819, m James FIRTH) > Margaret CURSITER (b 1820, m John LEASK) > Anne CURSITER (b 1824) > John CURSITER (b 1826) > George Firth CUSITER (1830-1874, m Mary YOUNG Dalkeith -my ancestors) > James Isbister CURSITER (b 1832, m Margaret LEASK) > Peter Loutit CURSITER (b 1837) > Catharine CURSITER (b 1839, m Adam FLETT) > John Firth CUSITER (1842-1866) > > Roger Kelly -Midlothian, Scotland > ----- Message ----- From: Roger Kelly <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY-L] EUMAN OR OMAN > Shyama > Just some oddments which don't alas answer your questions about OMAN to > EUMAN changes or their documented migrations to Midlothian and the Borders. > > Here's an Oman in Edinburgh, Midlothian in 1825 from Scottish Sasines > (property) Records > +++++++++ > Charles OMAN, Hotel keeper, seised May 27 1825 in centre house on north side > of Charlotte Square on disp. by Henry RITCHIE of Busbie May 18 1825 > Hugh MACPHERSON, Tacksman of Drummuie, Sutherland, seised May 27 1825 in > above on security of £1,000 on bond by OMAN. > Isabella CATHCART resident in Princes Street seised May 27 1825 in centre > house as above in security of £2,000 on bond by OMAN. > +++++++ > Quite a few families must have come from Orkney to Midlothian in the last > century. Certainly my own CUSITER family did, and ISBISTERs also appear > in 19th certury Edinburgh directories. I also find OMAN(D) mothers in some > of my own Orkney family names: eg OMAN & CURSATER (St Andrews,1700s), OMAND > & FIRTH (Stromness, 1830s), OMAND & FIRTH (Deerness, 1840s), OMAND & > ISBESTER (Firth 1770s), OMAND & ISBISTER (Firth 1750s) YEOMAN & ISBESTER > (1820s), OMAND & SPENCE (Stromness) > > Coming closer to today, a 1961 Edinburgh directory has 2 OMAN, 1 OMAND and 2 > OMOND in the city, no EUMAN though plenty of YEAMAN and YEOMAN. Are HUMAN > and HOMAN not also variants of this name? > > Sorry not to have come across anything more solid. > Best Wishes > Roger Kelly > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shyama Peebles <shyama@gold.net.au> > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 02 February 1999 12:04 > Subject: [ORKNEY-L] EUMAN OR OMAN > > >...EUMAN is a variant of OMAN and > >originated in the Orkneys. > >Does anyone know of OMAN's who turned > >into EUMAN's ? and does anyone have any > >OMAN/EUMAN family lines that migrated > >south to Midlothian & the Borders > >Best Wishes>Shyama Peebles, Coolgardie, Western Australia > > ----- Message ----- From: Roger Kelly <roger.kelly1@virgin.net> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 12:27 AM Subject: CUSITER & ISBISTER > I am trying to find out more about the lives, ancestors and descendants of > my ggggrandparents George CUSITER (1793-1872) and Jane ISBISTER (c1795-1857) > of Nether Hobbiston, Stennes, Firth. Both are buried in Finston Old > Churchyard. Quite close by is the grave of the Firth schoolteacher (was the > name SPENCE?) who I believe encouraged my gggrandfather George Firth CUSITER > (1830-1874) to leave Orkney to become a teacher and inventor. > > Any help appreciated, Roger Kelly > (PS: I've since found the teacher's name was Michael SPENCE, he was married to GFC's father's sister.) - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Frances: I hope some of this helps. Roger Kelly in Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

Caroline I answered this question a couple of weeks ago, on this list, but I didn't save it and don't have the time to re-compose it right now. I gave all the details of the person after whom Andrew Smellie Tait was named. Please check back issues (or maybe someone who keeps a file will re-post it for me?). If all else fails, please contact me off-list and I will send the information to you. Ken Harrison mcharrison@compuserve.com Vancouver, Canada Message text written by INTERNET:ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com >X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:10:15 PDT From: "Caroline Tait" <charliegh@hotmail.com> Dear Listers Could anyone please help me link the Surnames "Tait" and "Smellie". My GGGrandfather's name is Andrew Smellie Tait and I know that he was named after someone..... but I'm not sure who. Caroline <

Norman - I have tried to find the book you mentioned through Amazon.com & Barnes & Noble (even have the ISBN for it) without success. Do you have any suggestions as to other places on or offline that we might check? Lori ---------- From: Norman D. Nicol <ndnicol@sonic.net> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Fea/Brown/Traill Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 8:39 AM Hello Lori and Ken, I've seen your posts about the FEAs and TRAILLs. I would like to suggest a very good book which was recently published. Patrick FEA just may be one of your ancestors and the info he writes about as an eye-witness could be useful to you. Hewison, W.S. (ed.). The Diary of Patrick Fea of Stove, Orkney, 1766-96. Sources in Local History Nº 5. East Linton, East Lothian: Tuckwell Press Ltd., 1997. This book should be in print and available from booksellers on-line. It is very good and I think you'll enjoy it. Doug Nicol, Santa Rosa CA ----------

Hello Lori and Ken, I've seen your posts about the FEAs and TRAILLs. I would like to suggest a very good book which was recently published. Patrick FEA just may be one of your ancestors and the info he writes about as an eye-witness could be useful to you. Hewison, W.S. (ed.). The Diary of Patrick Fea of Stove, Orkney, 1766-96. Sources in Local History Nº 5. East Linton, East Lothian: Tuckwell Press Ltd., 1997. This book should be in print and available from booksellers on-line. It is very good and I think you'll enjoy it. Doug Nicol, Santa Rosa CA

There is an Orkney Hill in Alberta,Canada Lat 51,32,00N Longitude 112,53,00 W

Hi, Anne & others I've seen Orkney on Nebraska maps but so far have failed to research its origin. Will be going out of town to a NeGenWeb conference, so perhaps I can find more about this soon. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'd like to propose Orkney, Nebraska, USA, for inclusion. Dick Taylor descended from: John & Mary (WISHART) TAYLOR (wed: Kirkwall, 1850) Yesteryear (a fledgling web page) <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~oldtimes/yesteryear> At 03:31 PM 8/7/99 -0400, Anne wrote: >Hi folks, > >I'm working on the much needed update to the Orkney GenWeb site today, I'd >like to compile a list of known Orkney place names around the world, if you >know of any, please let me know - including places with Orcadian surnames - >someone told me there's a Rendall Road some place, (though I forget where) >I'd like to know about those places as well. > >Thanks > > >Regards, > >Anne Rendall >Volunteer list owner Orkney-L and host of Orkney Gen Web >http://www.rendall.net/orkney/ > >Surname interests include: Westray Rendalls, Stevensons, Seatters, Coopers, >Reids, and others. > >

> UK folks have a nice currency advantage to the US dollar. $260.00 = > 161.070 GBP Sigurd - why doesn't the Orcadian buy it? <g> If anyone is it'll be me ;o) > If there really are only 4 of these maps in existence it'd be nice to see > it in Orkney or Shetland. And it would be nice to see a larger picture - a > translation from the latin would be nice as well. I'll scan the copy I've got (sometime and put it online). I'll not bother with the shetland side and to make the file size more manageable I'll probably need to split it into two. -- Sigurd Towrie - Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney E-Mail: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Orkneyjar - The Heritage of Orkney: http://www.orkneyjar.com

Lori I am connected to both the Feas and Traills, but can not find any of the persons you list in my own database, nor do I know of any branch which went to the US. Please explain more about the note "(raised by Traills of Orkney)". Which Traills, etc? Can you give any earlier data on the Fea line? Ken Harrison Vancouver, Canada Message text written by INTERNET:ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com >X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:35:35 -0700 From: "Lori Gilmore" <GLION@prodigy.net> Subject: [ORKNEY-L] Orkney-Fea-Brown-Traill I'm a new subscriber. Researching the FEA and associated families of Orkney. My branch then were found in Stirlingshire SCT and immigrated to the U.S. in 1853. Have information on U.S. branch but am hoping to further our Orkney/SCT connections. Here is my branch as we know it. John Fea b. 1767(raised by Traill's of Orkney) d. 12 Jan 1862 Falkirk, Stirling m Elizabeth Brown? Alexander Fea dau Fea Simon Fea? James Trail Fea b.9 Nov 1808 Falkirk, Stirling John Charles Timman? Fea Thomas Brown Fea b.18 June 1815 Stirlingshire SCT d. 24 Nov. 1870 Potosi, MO, USA ----> This is the line I have further information on Hope to travel to Orkney within the year and do research there. Appreciate email correspondence with anyone from Orkney or who has traveled there to do research. <

Here's more info on the 1667 map of Orkney & Shetland from the individual who listed it for sale. I'll post a good scan if I get it at the Orkney GenWeb Site. The price is probably more than the list subscribers would like to chip in for. Anne Rendall >From: "Bron from Downunder" <bronpete@launch.net.au> >To: "Anne M. Rendall" <anne@rendall.net> >Subject: Re: Orkney & Shetland Map >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:31:25 -0700 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-Rcpt-To: <anne@rendall.net> >X-DPOP: DPOP Version 2.5f > >Hi Anne! I am selling this on behalf of a client - I will ask her if she >will photograph the Orkney section for you - depending on if it will fit on >my scanner - I will ask her to see if I can scan it also. Will ask her >which text book she got the info from and also scan a copy for you. >The reserve on this one is $2600 - it is high - but there are only 5 in the >World! I know that the owner would be negotiable if reserve is not met. >Kind regards, Bron >

Hi Anne What a great map -- too bad the resolution is so low you can't read it. Just a thought -- Are there 260 members of this list? At a buck each (how much is an aussy dollar?) we could buy it and give it to one of the Orkney museums or gen-groups that would scan it at a higher resolution and make it available to members. mjc Anne M. Rendall wrote: > Hi, > > I thought subscribers might be interested in seeing a map of Orkney and > Shetland that I saw at eBay, it's for sale, but you can see it for free at > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=144598305 > > Anne Rendall

At 04:01 PM 8/10/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Anne > >What a great map -- too bad the resolution is so low you can't read it. > >Just a thought -- > >Are there 260 members of this list? > >At a buck each (how much is an aussy dollar?) we could buy it and give >it to one of the Orkney museums or gen-groups that would scan it at a >higher resolution and make it available to members. > >mjc What a nice idea. Keep in mind however, that 260.00 is the opening bid, it's a reserve auction so their minimum selling price is higher and is not disclosed also it's offered in US dollars. UK folks have a nice currency advantage to the US dollar. $260.00 = 161.070 GBP Sigurd - why doesn't the Orcadian buy it? <g> If there really are only 4 of these maps in existence it'd be nice to see it in Orkney or Shetland. And it would be nice to see a larger picture - a translation from the latin would be nice as well. I wonder if I can get the seller to do another scan for us and release the picture after the sale is over. Worth a try, let you know if he/she says yes. Anne

You know, that isn't such a crazy idea! I've just sent off an email to the seller asking what his reserve price is. If I hear back I'll let the list know. Linda mjc wrote: > > Hi Anne > > What a great map -- too bad the resolution is so low you can't read it. > > Just a thought -- > > Are there 260 members of this list? > > At a buck each (how much is an aussy dollar?) we could buy it and give > it to one of the Orkney museums or gen-groups that would scan it at a > higher resolution and make it available to members. > > mjc > > Anne M. Rendall wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I thought subscribers might be interested in seeing a map of Orkney and > > Shetland that I saw at eBay, it's for sale, but you can see it for free at > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=144598305 > > > > Anne Rendall

Hi, I thought subscribers might be interested in seeing a map of Orkney and Shetland that I saw at eBay, it's for sale, but you can see it for free at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=144598305 Anne Rendall

At 08:10 PM 8/9/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > >Dear Listers > >Could anyone please help me link the Surnames "Tait" and "Smellie". My >GGGrandfather's name is Andrew Smellie Tait and I know that he was named >after someone..... but I'm not sure who. Ackwarding to the 1881 census his >mother was Margaret Wick. The Andrew in question was born on the 14.Jan.1847 >and died 1911. > >Does anyone have a copy of the 1851 Census? For which parish? I've noticed that middle names that are surnames are usually either 1) the mother's maiden name 2) the surname of the local minister 3) the surname of family friends Anne Rendall

Does anyone know of an Oman/Isbister connection c. 1750's? I am searching for my 4xgreat-grandfather, Hugh Isbister born 1755 - Orkney (probably Firth). He came to America c. 1755 on a ship called the Marlborough - landing in Savannah, Georgia. Any help greatly appreciated. Frances Ivester Simonian

Dear Listers Could anyone please help me link the Surnames "Tait" and "Smellie". My GGGrandfather's name is Andrew Smellie Tait and I know that he was named after someone..... but I'm not sure who. Ackwarding to the 1881 census his mother was Margaret Wick. The Andrew in question was born on the 14.Jan.1847 and died 1911. Does anyone have a copy of the 1851 Census? Caroline ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Thanks. On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 Grndwtr@aol.com wrote: > > SUTHERLAND L The Scots county, 'south land' ON-It was south to the > Vikings compared with Orkney and Shetland. 58th commonest names in Scotland > in 1958 (dropping nine places in 100 years). > > ************************************************* Robert James Sutherland, Ph.D. Professor Depts of Psychology, Neuroscience, & Physiology (UNM) Dept of Psychology & Neuroscience (Adjunct,ULethbridge) Science Advisor, New Mexicans for Science and Reason Head, Behavioral Neuroscience Area Logan Hall, University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131-1161 Phone: (505)277-4870, 4871, or 4628 Fax: Lab (505)277-4628; Office (505)277-1394 *************************************************

"Orkney Surnames" author Gregor Lamb, published 1981 Paul Harris Publishing, 40 York Place, Edinburgh. ISBN 0 86228 025 7 Caroline Velzian Donaghy (clip)> > I've checked back in my files and, on 26 November '98 I posted a query to a > Sharon who had referred to a book.. > > GREGOR LAMB'S ORKNEY SURNAMES > > If Sharon is still on the list, perhaps she could fill us in on that book and > it's availability? > > > > Bill Groundwater > > Tucson, AZ > >

I wonder what the surname dictionary has to say about the surname "Sutherland"? ************************************************* Robert James Sutherland, Ph.D. Professor Depts of Psychology, Neuroscience, & Physiology (UNM) Dept of Psychology & Neuroscience (Adjunct,ULethbridge) Science Advisor, New Mexicans for Science and Reason Head, Behavioral Neuroscience Area Logan Hall, University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131-1161 Phone: (505)277-4870, 4871, or 4628 Fax: Lab (505)277-4628; Office (505)277-1394 *************************************************

Hi folks, More on Surname Query Boards I found the Rendall "Resource Center" at Rootsweb, asked that they add a link to my page and they granted me an adoption! -Thanks I think... for each surname they have on their surname list they have created the following boards Bible Records, Biographies, Deeds, Obituaries, Pensions and Wills as well as a Resource Page - or Index. At present there is plenty of room for information, and not much/any info posted at least at the Rendall center. You may want to search for your favorite surnames at Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com and look into adopting a resource page its a free way of having your own website/genealogy resource dedicated to your area(s) of interest. Anne Rendall Regards, Anne Rendall Volunteer list owner Orkney-L and host of Orkney Gen Web http://www.rendall.net/orkney/ Surname interests include: Westray Rendalls, Stevensons, Seatters, Coopers, Reids, and others.