Pam If you find someone who has the 1821 census could you find out where they got it from. I can order the 1841 - 1891 census but not sure about any earlier census. It seems like you and I are researching the same area yet I haven't come across any Petrie\Thomson marriages yet. I have a database of over 900 Petrie's from the Orkney & Caithness areas. If you come across any relations with the Petrie's would you let me know. Janine -----Original Message----- From: Pam Thomson [SMTP:pamthom@intergate.bc.ca] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:11 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please Hi, Does someone have the 1821 census for South Ronaldsay? If so, could you look for James & Euphan (Euphemia, Effy) TAMSON or THOMSON (or a variation thereof)- they would likely have those of their younger children who were still alive at home- Magnus about 8, Robert 11, James 19. The older children were Minney 23, Elizabeth 25, Barbara 28, Betty 29, William 31. Also, does anyone know who the parents of Magnus THOMSON who married Helen BUDGE in 1829 (also South Ronaldsay) were? Thanks, Pam -- Pam Thomson of BC, Canada New email address: as of August pamthom@intergate.bc.ca

Pam If you ever get anyone who has the 182 -----Original Message----- From: Pam Thomson [SMTP:pamthom@intergate.bc.ca] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:11 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please Hi, Does someone have the 1821 census for South Ronaldsay? If so, could you look for James & Euphan (Euphemia, Effy) TAMSON or THOMSON (or a variation thereof)- they would likely have those of their younger children who were still alive at home- Magnus about 8, Robert 11, James 19. The older children were Minney 23, Elizabeth 25, Barbara 28, Betty 29, William 31. Also, does anyone know who the parents of Magnus THOMSON who married Helen BUDGE in 1829 (also South Ronaldsay) were? Thanks, Pam -- Pam Thomson of BC, Canada New email address: as of August pamthom@intergate.bc.ca

Just wondering if anyone knows if there were any Wylie's or Annals listed on the 1891 Census extras. I didn't even know that the 1891 Okney Census was available, atleast to my knowledge it isn't available thru my local Family History Center. Thanks in advance, Stella

Hi, Does someone have the 1821 census for South Ronaldsay? If so, could you look for James & Euphan (Euphemia, Effy) TAMSON or THOMSON (or a variation thereof)- they would likely have those of their younger children who were still alive at home- Magnus about 8, Robert 11, James 19. The older children were Minney 23, Elizabeth 25, Barbara 28, Betty 29, William 31. Also, does anyone know who the parents of Magnus THOMSON who married Helen BUDGE in 1829 (also South Ronaldsay) were? Thanks, Pam -- Pam Thomson of BC, Canada New email address: as of August pamthom@intergate.bc.ca

Listers - here are some more of the 1891 Census sheets I had leftover from a 'copy-fest' in the Kirkwall Libraray last year. I found that the way I have been listing the house windows was not entirely correct, I have made the proper entry on these below, and those in the future. I believe these numbers were used for a taxation base, but I can only use them to imagine the relative size, or 'grandeur' of a home. Enumeration Dist 7 STROMNESS 'Ness Buildings' - had 6 rooms with one or more windows This name was purposely scratched through, but is readable, I surmise he was absent for the census, and began to be mistakenly recorded, then ceased: James WILSON (birthplace not recorded), Head, then "Temporarily Absent" Isa J WILSON (bn Birsay) - wife - mar - 28 yrs Robert S WILSON (bn Glasgow) - son - 4 yrs Beatrice E WILSON (bn Glasgow) - dau - 3 yrs Norah J WILSON (bn Stromness) - dau - 1 yr Ellen HOURSTON (bn Birsay) - MIL - widow - 58 yrs Ellen T HOURSTON (bn Birsay) - SIL - unmar - 23 yrs - Teacher of Music Ann SPENCE (bn Birsay) - Aunt In Law (meaning Aunt on spouses side??) - 60 yrs 'Ness Road' - had 5 rooms with one or more windows John LINKLATER (bn Graemsay) - head - widower - 47 yrs - Seaman Elisabeth M LINKLATER (bn Graemsay) dau - 14 yrs - Scholar John LINKLATER (bn Graemsay) son - 13 yrs - Scholar James M LINKLATER (bn Stromness) son - 10 yrs - Scholar Joseph LINKLATER (bn Stromness) - son - 8 yrs - Scholar Annie J LINKLATER (bn Stromness) - dau - 7 yrs - Scholar Elizabeth MOWAT (bn Greamsay) - MIL - widow - 68 yrs 'Ness Road' - had 3 rooms with one or more windows Robert FLETT (bn Stromness) - head - widower - 72 yrs - Retired Master Mariner Robina E FLETT (bn Stromness) - dau - unmar - 37 yrs - Housekeeper 'Hope Dale' - had 9 rooms with one or more windows Katie LINKLATER (bn Stromness) head - 20 yrs - Student Annie LINKLATER (bn Stromness) sister - 18 yrs - Spinster (purposely crossed out) 'Alfred Street' - had 3 rooms with one or more windows Isabella VELZIAN (bn Stromness) - head - widow - 62 yrs Isabella VELZIAN (bn Stromness) - dau - unmar - 23 yrs - Dressmaker 'Ness Road' - had 4 rooms with one or more windows Isabella STOVE (bn Deerness) - head - unmar - 67 yrs - Dressmaker Enumeration District 1 KIRKWALL - This enumerator had the tiniest of handwriting, very pretty, and excedingly even, but unbearable to read ! '8 Clay Loan' - had 1 room with one or more windows Betsy SCOTT (bn Sanday) - head - unmar - 80 yrs - formerly Domestic '88 Victoria Street' - uninhabited '86 Victoria Street' - had 1 room with one or more windows Mary LIDDLE (bn Shapinshay) - head - unmar - 69 yrs - Laundress '84 Victoria Street' - had 2 rooms with one or more windows Mary OBBAN (bn Kirkwall) - head - unmar - Dressmaker '84 Victoria Street' - had 2 rooms with one or more windows William LINKLATER (bn St Andrews) - head - mar - 39 yrs - Tailor Mary LINKLATER (bn Evie) - wife - mar - 35 yrs John LINKLATER (bn Kirkwall) - son - 5 yrs William LINKLATER (bn Kirkwall) - son - 4 yrs George LINKLATER (bn Kirkwall) - son - 2 months '84 Victoria Street' - had 2 rooms with one or more windows Jemima GUNN (bn Orphir) - head - mar - 36 yrs Clementina M GUNN (bn Kirkwall) - dau - 12 yrs - Scholar William L GUNN (bn Kirkwall) - son - 10 yrs - Scholar Robert B GUNN (bn Kirkwall) - son - 7 yrs - Scholar '80 Victoria Street' - had 4 rooms with one or more windows Isabella LAUGHTON (bn Rousay) - head - widow - 61 yrs Annie LAUGHTON (bn Kirkwall) - dau - unmar - 31 yrs - Dressmaker Charles S LAUGHTON (bn Kirkwall) - son - unmar - 22 yrs - Lawyers Clerk '80 Victoria Street' - had 3 rooms with one or more windows Margaret SMITH (bn St Andrews) - head - widow - 58 yrs - Living on Private Means '80 (Close?) Victoria Street' - had 3 rooms with one or more windows Thomas SEATTER (bn Westray) - head - mar - 40 yrs - Seaman Isabella SEATTER (bn Birsay) - wife - mar - 38 yrs Isabella SEATTER (bn Firth) - dau - unmar - 19 yrs - Assistant in Book Depot Robert SEATTER (bn St Ola) - son - unmar - 16 yrs - Joiners Apprentice '78 (Close?) Victoria Street' - had 1 room with one or more windows James HEDDLE (could be KEDDLE) (bn Hoban?) - lodger - unmar - 22 - Ironmonger's Assistant '78 (Close?) Victoria Street - had 1 room with one or more windows Mary SCOTT (bn Eday) - head - unmar - 64 yrs - Charwoman '78 (Close) Victoria Street - had 1 room with one or more windows Janet IRAINE or IRVINE (bn Eday) - head - unmar - 78 yrs - Stocking Knitter '78 (Close) Victoria Street' - had 2 rooms with one or more windows James SMITH (bn Kirkwall) - head - mar - 70 yrs - Cooper There probably was more to this listing, this was the end of the page. The next page is not among mine.

Ken Harrison - I read your post about ministers in Orkney around 1836. Do you have any references to earlier clergy? In researching my HALCRO line, I have gotten back to the family of Elizabeth LINAY and William BEWS. (Their daughter Margaret married Joseph HALCRO) There were 10 BEWSes, the 3 youngest had the middle name of LAING. Twins Robert and Samuel Laing BEWS born in 1800, Kirkwall, and Malcolm Laing BEWS born March, 1802, Kirkwall. I have looked for the LAING name as a surname for a previous generation, have found one for a Malcolm LAING (born 1763-Kirkwall)son of Robert LAING and Barbara BLAW. Another finding is for Samuel LAING (born 1780-Kirkwall) to the same parents. These were quite intriguing, and I really dug for a link to the BEWS family, but I cannot seem to link these families. There was another listing for a Malcolm Jaques LAING (born August, 1802-Kirkwall) to James LAING and Mary HAGGART. Could these all be named after a local clergyman? Or is there a family link I have totally missed? If you have any information on the clergy of that era, 1760 - 1800, I would like to know if there is a LAING among them, then I will not look further for a BEWS/LAING link. But then again, they might be named after a clergyman who was an ancestor ! I will just post this anyway, and go off in desperation and list a few more 1891 Census extras ! <G> Thanks to anyone who can offer insights ! Meg Greenwood

Stephen Thanks for the details. There were the following ministers in Orkney named SMELLIE in April 1836 (none in Stromness that I know of, but would welcome any contrary advice): James, minister of St. Andrew's Parish (my GGGgfather) George (son of above), licensed by Kirkwall Presbytery April 1835, first sermon that week in Deerness; then May 1835 to Lady Parish, Sanday; ordained 30 March 1836 (two other sons were also ministers in Orkney, but not for 10 years after your baptism) It looks like your ancestor could have been named after George SMELLIE, who was ordained 4 days before her baptism. Can anyone explain why this would have occurred? Does anyone have information that would place George in Stromness at that time? Ken Harrison Vancouver, Canada Message text written by INTERNET:ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com >X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:12:41 -0500 From: "Stephen Wood" <sewood@osha.igs.net> Hi! Euphemia S. Chambers was born 2 March, baptised 3 April 1836 in Stromness Parish, Orkney - she likely died young as we have no other record of her. Stephen > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:48:18 -0400 > From: Ken Harrison <mcharrison@compuserve.com> > Stephen > Where and when was Euphemia baptised? > > Ken Harrison > > Message text written by INTERNET:ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Message: #3 > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:46:52 -0500 > From: "Stephen Wood" <sewood@osha.igs.net> > > Her twin sister Euphemia had a middle name that was hard to read. > The IGI calls it Smaley, my interpretation from the microfilmed > Parish Register was Snorley? or Snodey?, but now I'm wondering if she > was named after Rev. Smellie??? <

Hi group:--I am looking for info on: WILLIAM FLETT 11 NOV.1769 m. HELEN MICHEAL children: (1)WILLIAM (1770- (2)JOHN (1775- does anyone have any info for these FLETTS -is it possible JOHN m. MARGARET SHEARER? Thanks, Pat in Canada where I confuse the dead & irritate the living!

21 August, 1999 12:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time Hello David: Thank you for the valuable information which you gave to me regarding The Battle of Bothwell Bridge. I had never heard of that battle before I was informed of it about two weeks ago. I heard just very little about it, but I would like to learn more. Is there a book written about the battle (and events surrounding it's occurance) that you know of? Where did you get your information about the Battle of Bothwell Bridge? Who was this James, Duke of Monmouth? Who were the Covenanters? I am sorry that I seemed to place the blame on the English, I was repeating what I had heard, without proper investigation. I have examined my genealogical records and can find no mention of Margaret Rich or William Stewart. However, if she was from Rackwick, she must have been a relative, possibly a sister of Charles or an aunt or a cousin. This would have been especially true if she did, in fact, spell her name Rich. I found it especially interesting to learn, from your letter, that Battle of Bothwell Bridge was in Scotland and not England. As I said earlier I had never heard of Bothwell Bridge before. I, after hearing of the battle, just assumed that my ancestors were from England and then shipwrecked at the Orkney Islands enroute to America. You see, there was an inference made,by the person who told me of the battle that led me to beleive that Bothwell Bridge was in England. Please, let me hear from you again, David. I have enjoyed reading what you have had to say and I hope to learn more. If I can tell you any more about my family history, please don't hesitate to ask. Respectfully Mel Rich E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com

Hi! Euphemia S. Chambers was born 2 March, baptised 3 April 1836 in Stromness Parish, Orkney - she likely died young as we have no other record of her. Stephen > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:48:18 -0400 > From: Ken Harrison <mcharrison@compuserve.com> > Stephen > Where and when was Euphemia baptised? > > Ken Harrison > > Message text written by INTERNET:ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Message: #3 > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:46:52 -0500 > From: "Stephen Wood" <sewood@osha.igs.net> > > Her twin sister Euphemia had a middle name that was hard to read. > The IGI calls it Smaley, my interpretation from the microfilmed > Parish Register was Snorley? or Snodey?, but now I'm wondering if she > was named after Rev. Smellie???

G'day Mel, The Battle of Bothwell Bridge was in Scotland not England, and the Crown forces were lead by Charles II's illegitimate son, James, Duke of Monmouth. The battle occurred while the English and Scottish Crowns were separate entities, ie before the Act of Union in 1707. The Covenanters were Presbyterian dissidents. (The English always get the blame for any unpleasantness, unlike the "saintly" Scots and Irish !) The whaling grounds of your Charles Rich's time would probably have been those of the Davis Strait between Canada and Greenland. I believe that the Scottish Record Office has records of the whaling including details of bounty payments to the crews. I have a William Stewart who married Margaret Rich (born 1831), daughter of Edward and Stewart (sic) Rich of Rackwick. Edward, would be a contemporary of your Thomas. Cheers David, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <MRICH10000@aol.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 7:46 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] Rich/Ritch/Richie/Ritchie > 20 August, 1999 > > There, I've finally found it. An Orkney Islands mailing list web site. > Now, maybe I can get down to business and get some answers to my many > questions concerning my genealogy. > For instance, I am a decendant of Charles Rich who was born in Rackwick > on Hoy on 18 June, 1833. He was the son of Thomas Rich, b. 27 February, 1793 > in Rackwick, and Barbara Thomsen, b. 30 September, 1792 also in Rackwick. > They had four other children (known to me), John Rich, b. 07 October, 1821; > Thomas Rich, b. 06 July, 1824; Andrew Rich, b. 01 August, 1826; Margaret > Thomso(e)n Rich b.26 August, 1828; then Charles, the youngest. > Charles went to work on a whaling vessel when he was a very young man, > sailing, I suppose, around there in the North Sea and the Orkney Islands. > Later he went ot work aboard a freighter vessel which sailed between Port > Elizabeth, South Africa and ports in China. > He then, and with two of his ship mates, decided to emigrate to the United > States, to Salt Lake City, Utah to be exact. > I am looking for any and all of the information which I can get regarding > Charles Rich, his mother and father, his brothers and sister and any of his > ancestors. > I understand that there was most probably a change in the spelling of the > surname of Rich. That is it seems that at one time the spelling was probably > Ritch. Although I have seen spellings of Richie and Ritchie, as well. > Also, I understand that the Rich's/Ritch's arrived in Orkney after > fleeing from a sinking prison ship named the Crown on which they and about > 250 othe people were being held as prisoners for religous descention, (they > called themselves, Covenanters) and the battle in which they were involved, > in England, was the Battle of Bothwell Bridge in 1679. Many of the prisoners > drowned in the sinking ship, as the captain had them battened down in the > hold. It seem that at least two of the Rich"s/Ritch's escaped and changed > their names at that time to avoid detection. > I really don't know who my ancestors were that escaped from that sinking > ship, but possibly one was a man named Hugh Ritch. > I could go on with much more, but I wont take up your time. If you do > have any information regarding any of these > people or for that matter any of the events which I have described, Please, > oh please write to me. > Anything will be appreciated...... > > Respectfully > > Mel Rich > E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com >

Please indulge a newbie with 2 questions. 1. How do you know -- on the web -- what is a 'legitimate' or at least, a reliable source of information? I went to the w3g.med.uni-giessen.de/CGB/genetxt/ site that Mike mentioned and noticed that I had been there before. (thanks to browser history) I think that, at the time, I had dismissed the Ron Taylor site but for no better reason than I had found the same information for free at the above mentioned site and also on the cursiter.com site. The first site had no information as to source, that I could find and most info is in German, Cursiter sited the author. And there are so many sites on-line with bits of information -- most of them are commercial, trying to sell software but promising 'free' d-bases and whatever -- how do you choose? 2. How do you credit sources? cursiter.com mentions IGI as a source but unless I missed it, I didn't see 'permission' from the LDS (On the LDS site they tell you need 'permission' to put their records on an active website). In the marriage and birth txt files the LDS copyright etc is clearly spelled out. Are the Cursiter files different from the LDS files? -- I have yet to see the LDS files. If you use information from this source do you credit -- Scottish Birth/Marriage records? the LDS? or Cursiter? OK 3 questions... Again what does 'copyright permission' entail? Thanks for any help, MJ Corrigall

Mel, I have some information though not of your specific names - My wife is a Ritch who descends from Robert Ritch c1800 from Deerness. Robert Whitton who also frequents this list has the biggest picture with regard to the Ritch name. If for some reason he doesn't contact you, let me know and I'll send this on to him. There is some information on my Ritch's and also the Covenanter's on my web page which is listed below. Hope we can tie in somewhere later on!! Ivan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.alphalink.com.au/~isanders ----- Original Message ----- From: <MRICH10000@aol.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 1999 9:46 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] Rich/Ritch/Richie/Ritchie > 20 August, 1999 > > There, I've finally found it. An Orkney Islands mailing list web site. > Now, maybe I can get down to business and get some answers to my many > questions concerning my genealogy. > For instance, I am a decendant of Charles Rich who was born in Rackwick > on Hoy on 18 June, 1833. He was the son of Thomas Rich, b. 27 February, 1793 > in Rackwick, and Barbara Thomsen, b. 30 September, 1792 also in Rackwick. > They had four other children (known to me), John Rich, b. 07 October, 1821; > Thomas Rich, b. 06 July, 1824; Andrew Rich, b. 01 August, 1826; Margaret > Thomso(e)n Rich b.26 August, 1828; then Charles, the youngest. > Charles went to work on a whaling vessel when he was a very young man, > sailing, I suppose, around there in the North Sea and the Orkney Islands. > Later he went ot work aboard a freighter vessel which sailed between Port > Elizabeth, South Africa and ports in China. > He then, and with two of his ship mates, decided to emigrate to the United > States, to Salt Lake City, Utah to be exact. > I am looking for any and all of the information which I can get regarding > Charles Rich, his mother and father, his brothers and sister and any of his > ancestors. > I understand that there was most probably a change in the spelling of the > surname of Rich. That is it seems that at one time the spelling was probably > Ritch. Although I have seen spellings of Richie and Ritchie, as well. > Also, I understand that the Rich's/Ritch's arrived in Orkney after > fleeing from a sinking prison ship named the Crown on which they and about > 250 othe people were being held as prisoners for religous descention, (they > called themselves, Covenanters) and the battle in which they were involved, > in England, was the Battle of Bothwell Bridge in 1679. Many of the prisoners > drowned in the sinking ship, as the captain had them battened down in the > hold. It seem that at least two of the Rich"s/Ritch's escaped and changed > their names at that time to avoid detection. > I really don't know who my ancestors were that escaped from that sinking > ship, but possibly one was a man named Hugh Ritch. > I could go on with much more, but I wont take up your time. If you do > have any information regarding any of these > people or for that matter any of the events which I have described, Please, > oh please write to me. > Anything will be appreciated...... > > Respectfully > > Mel Rich > E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com >

Stephen Where and when was Euphemia baptised? Ken Harrison Message text written by INTERNET:ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com >X-Message: #3 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:46:52 -0500 From: "Stephen Wood" <sewood@osha.igs.net> Her twin sister Euphemia had a middle name that was hard to read. The IGI calls it Smaley, my interpretation from the microfilmed Parish Register was Snorley? or Snodey?, but now I'm wondering if she was named after Rev. Smellie??? Stephen

20 August, 1999 There, I've finally found it. An Orkney Islands mailing list web site. Now, maybe I can get down to business and get some answers to my many questions concerning my genealogy. For instance, I am a decendant of Charles Rich who was born in Rackwick on Hoy on 18 June, 1833. He was the son of Thomas Rich, b. 27 February, 1793 in Rackwick, and Barbara Thomsen, b. 30 September, 1792 also in Rackwick. They had four other children (known to me), John Rich, b. 07 October, 1821; Thomas Rich, b. 06 July, 1824; Andrew Rich, b. 01 August, 1826; Margaret Thomso(e)n Rich b.26 August, 1828; then Charles, the youngest. Charles went to work on a whaling vessel when he was a very young man, sailing, I suppose, around there in the North Sea and the Orkney Islands. Later he went ot work aboard a freighter vessel which sailed between Port Elizabeth, South Africa and ports in China. He then, and with two of his ship mates, decided to emigrate to the United States, to Salt Lake City, Utah to be exact. I am looking for any and all of the information which I can get regarding Charles Rich, his mother and father, his brothers and sister and any of his ancestors. I understand that there was most probably a change in the spelling of the surname of Rich. That is it seems that at one time the spelling was probably Ritch. Although I have seen spellings of Richie and Ritchie, as well. Also, I understand that the Rich's/Ritch's arrived in Orkney after fleeing from a sinking prison ship named the Crown on which they and about 250 othe people were being held as prisoners for religous descention, (they called themselves, Covenanters) and the battle in which they were involved, in England, was the Battle of Bothwell Bridge in 1679. Many of the prisoners drowned in the sinking ship, as the captain had them battened down in the hold. It seem that at least two of the Rich"s/Ritch's escaped and changed their names at that time to avoid detection. I really don't know who my ancestors were that escaped from that sinking ship, but possibly one was a man named Hugh Ritch. I could go on with much more, but I wont take up your time. If you do have any information regarding any of these people or for that matter any of the events which I have described, Please, oh please write to me. Anything will be appreciated...... Respectfully Mel Rich E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com

G'day, My understanding was that the "2%" was largely based on Institutions (hospitals, schools, prisons, barracks etc), or at least parishes with institutions, and has "escaped" from someone's university thesis. As such, it included Kirkwall because of Kirkwall Grammar School, the county Hospital and prison. Cheers David ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Bostwick <mjbostwick@smithers.att.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] U.K. Census (mainly 1851) > A lot of this site looks like it was made up from the 2% index of the 1851 > census that was made available on the web. The information can be seen for > free by downloading it from http://w3g.med.uni-giessen.de/CGB/genetxt/ > > mjc wrote: > > > Hi all, esp. 'Cousin by Marriage' Mary Beth > > > > This copyright debate has been interesting... when you consider how our > > gggggrand parents funded the research in the first place, then the > > following generations paid the salaries of the civil servants who > > maintained the 'paper' --- and then someone can come along and get the > > copyright permission (and just what does that entail?) > > > > Anyway, the discussion triggered memory of a website I came across... so > > I searched my hundreds of book marks (can you ever have enough?) and > > behold -- U.K. Census (mainly 1851) > > > > Of course it's not free... (and may not be legal???) > > > > And sorry Mary Beth... no Hurray (but there was a Corrigall that was on > > the pauper list) > > > > --------------------------------------- > > > > http://rontay.digiweb.com/ > > > > Ron Taylor's UK Census Finding Aids and Ron Taylor's UK Census Finding > > Aids and Indexes > > Indexes to over 2.2 million names from the U.K. Census (mainly 1851) > > > > Data Available by County > > > > COUNTY----- DATA FROM ----- APPROX# NAMES > > > > ORKNEY - Kirkwall, Shapinshay, Westray- 1,720 > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > mj corrigall >

A lot of this site looks like it was made up from the 2% index of the 1851 census that was made available on the web. The information can be seen for free by downloading it from http://w3g.med.uni-giessen.de/CGB/genetxt/ mjc wrote: > Hi all, esp. 'Cousin by Marriage' Mary Beth > > This copyright debate has been interesting... when you consider how our > gggggrand parents funded the research in the first place, then the > following generations paid the salaries of the civil servants who > maintained the 'paper' --- and then someone can come along and get the > copyright permission (and just what does that entail?) > > Anyway, the discussion triggered memory of a website I came across... so > I searched my hundreds of book marks (can you ever have enough?) and > behold -- U.K. Census (mainly 1851) > > Of course it's not free... (and may not be legal???) > > And sorry Mary Beth... no Hurray (but there was a Corrigall that was on > the pauper list) > > --------------------------------------- > > http://rontay.digiweb.com/ > > Ron Taylor's UK Census Finding Aids and Ron Taylor's UK Census Finding > Aids and Indexes > Indexes to over 2.2 million names from the U.K. Census (mainly 1851) > > Data Available by County > > COUNTY----- DATA FROM ----- APPROX# NAMES > > ORKNEY - Kirkwall, Shapinshay, Westray- 1,720 > > ---------------------------------------------- > > mj corrigall

Hi all, esp. 'Cousin by Marriage' Mary Beth This copyright debate has been interesting... when you consider how our gggggrand parents funded the research in the first place, then the following generations paid the salaries of the civil servants who maintained the 'paper' --- and then someone can come along and get the copyright permission (and just what does that entail?) Anyway, the discussion triggered memory of a website I came across... so I searched my hundreds of book marks (can you ever have enough?) and behold -- U.K. Census (mainly 1851) Of course it's not free... (and may not be legal???) And sorry Mary Beth... no Hurray (but there was a Corrigall that was on the pauper list) - ------------------------------------- http://rontay.digiweb.com/ Ron Taylor's UK Census Finding Aids and Ron Taylor's UK Census Finding Aids and Indexes Indexes to over 2.2 million names from the U.K. Census (mainly 1851) Data Available by County COUNTY----- DATA FROM ----- APPROX# NAMES ORKNEY - Kirkwall, Shapinshay, Westray- 1,720 - -------------------------------------------- mj corrigall

G'day My apologies for this off-topic message but as part of setting up a new computer I have managed to lose all my unanswered e-mail messages, and there was quite a few of them. They included messages from a number of people who had contacted me for the first time. Would anyone who had contacted me in the last couple of weeks, and is waiting for a reply, please re-send their message. Thanks Peter Davis Coffee Camp Australia

Hello! I recently received a marriage certificate for my Great Grandparents, John DICKSON and Georgina Anne WARD (Oct. 1, 1903). They got married in a place called Little Sceous (or is it Iceous? It's hard to read on the copy) in North Walls. John Dickson hailed from Old manse Walls. Does anyone know anything about these two places? Are they close by? I'm wondering how my Great Grandparents met, as John was originally from South Ronaldsay. Jackie Middleton jackiem@citytv.com <mailto:jackiem@citytv.com>