In a message dated 99-08-24 20:01:07 EDT, you write: > >

In a message dated 99-08-24 20:01:07 EDT, you write: > >

> In my census research Sandwick was on the mircofilm for 1841, > 1851, 1861 & > the 1891 census that I ordered for South Ronaldshay so it must be part of > Orkney. Sandwick is a typical Norse descriptive placename simply meaning "the Sandy Bay" - as such it is found in Orkney and Shetland and will occur more than once in both. Orkney has at least two Sandwicks. The parish of Sandwick which took its name from the Bay o' Skaill, a large sandy bay which would have originally been called Sandvik until some Norse chieftain built a dwelling (skallr) there of such a size as to become the predominant feature of the landscape. Hence the Bay of Skaill. There is also a bay in South Ronaldsay simply called Sandwick. -- Sigurd Towrie - Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney E-Mail: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Orkneyjar - The Heritage of Orkney: http://www.orkneyjar.com

The Orkney Family History Society also has transcriptions of some of these parishes available for sale in booklet format. The one for St. Andrews has corrected some of the errors which crept into the version noted below, since it was made from a copy made about 40 years after the original. >X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:38:25 +0800 From: "David Armstrong" <davidrli@iinet.net.au> The six surviving Parishes of the 1821 Census (Deerness, Orphir, St Andrews, Sandwick, South Ronaldshay & Burray, Stromness) are all available on microfiche in North America from the Ontario Genealogical Society in Toronto. David, Western Australia> Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada mcharrison@compuserve.com Islay McNABB, MORRISON Lanark SMELLIE, WICKETSHAW, SELKRIG Dumfries MURRAY, TAKET, HENDERSON, GILLESPIE Renfrew MURRAY, CALDWELL, BAIRD Dumbarton MORRISON Glasgow STIRRAT, SMELLIE, MORRISON CAI/Orkney SMELLIE, MILLER, BAIN, TRAILL Yorkshire HARRISON, POTCHIT, MAINPRICE Staffordshire HARRISON, GRIFFIN London (Highgate/Hampstead) HARRISON, FISHER

If you're ever ordering a Civil Registration Certificate, always ask for a "full certificate" , as an "extract" can also mean a "short certificate" in which details such as parents names do not appear. The actual Civil Registers of Births, Deaths and Marriages are available on microfilm through the LDS library network from 1855 to 1875, plus the two census years of 1881 and 1891. The Civil Birth and Marriage Registers from 1855 to 1875 are indexed on the IGI (with some errors). David, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Pam Thomson <pamthom@intergate.bc.ca> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 3:09 PM Subject: [ORKNEY] GRO online indexes > > At 10:27 AM 8/24/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >I'm confused ! I've been toying with the idea of viewing extracts at the > > >GRO. Is the information there any different or better than whats available > > >through the LDS family centers ? > > >Is it worthwhile to spend my 6 pounds ? > > > > Only if you plan on ordering copies of baptismal records or marriage > > records which have more detail in the years after 1861 > > > > Anne Rendall > > > I think the extracts themselves cost 10 pounds and I agree that the > ones before civil registration are usually not worth it. On the other > hand, I just spent 6 pounds for 24 hours of access to the indexes and > feel that it was well spent this time. I think what made it very > valuable was that I was searching for a pretty uncommon name, TODRICK > & I could collect all incidences of the name in a 10 year period, > often on one page. At Scots Origins, for your 6 pounds you can > download 30 pages of information. I f you use the wildcards, e.g. I > searched for Tod*ric*, you get most of the variable spellings. When I > got desperate to find one particular birth, I searched for Adam* > Tod*ri* and found him- Adam Toddridge! There were many that should > have been in the IGI because they were OPR, but they weren't- I'd say > 30 to 40 % were not in the IGI. You can get to Scots Origins at > http://www.origins.net/GRO/ > This was the first time I had people born later than 1855 to search & > found it interesting to see the deaths and the census records- 1891 > only, but the births are not too usefull unless you can match them > with the census records. Unlike the OPR, they don't list the parents > in the indexes. > -- > Pam Thomson of BC, Canada > New email address: as of August > pamthom@intergate.bc.ca > > >

The Shetland Parish is often referred to as Sandwick & Cunningsburgh, while there the Orkney Parish is just Sandwick (differentiated in the Registrar-General's indexes as "Sandwick, Orkney". There is also a Parish of Walls in both Orkney & Shetland, the Orkney being united with Flotta. David, Western Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JGCorse@aol.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 8:55 AM Subject: Re: RE: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > There is a Sandwick area in Shetland also which could be confused witn the > Parish of Sandwick in Orkney > >

> At 10:27 AM 8/24/99 -0400, you wrote: > >I'm confused ! I've been toying with the idea of viewing extracts at the > >GRO. Is the information there any different or better than whats available > >through the LDS family centers ? > >Is it worthwhile to spend my 6 pounds ? > > Only if you plan on ordering copies of baptismal records or marriage > records which have more detail in the years after 1861 > > Anne Rendall > I think the extracts themselves cost 10 pounds and I agree that the ones before civil registration are usually not worth it. On the other hand, I just spent 6 pounds for 24 hours of access to the indexes and feel that it was well spent this time. I think what made it very valuable was that I was searching for a pretty uncommon name, TODRICK & I could collect all incidences of the name in a 10 year period, often on one page. At Scots Origins, for your 6 pounds you can download 30 pages of information. I f you use the wildcards, e.g. I searched for Tod*ric*, you get most of the variable spellings. When I got desperate to find one particular birth, I searched for Adam* Tod*ri* and found him- Adam Toddridge! There were many that should have been in the IGI because they were OPR, but they weren't- I'd say 30 to 40 % were not in the IGI. You can get to Scots Origins at http://www.origins.net/GRO/ This was the first time I had people born later than 1855 to search & found it interesting to see the deaths and the census records- 1891 only, but the births are not too usefull unless you can match them with the census records. Unlike the OPR, they don't list the parents in the indexes. -- Pam Thomson of BC, Canada New email address: as of August pamthom@intergate.bc.ca

Dan In my census research Sandwick was on the mircofilm for 1841, 1851, 1861 & the 1891 census that I ordered for South Ronaldshay so it must be part of Orkney. If you find an Orkney map you will find it on the MAINLAND on the west shore just north of Stromness. Janine -----Original Message----- From: Dan Grant [SMTP:grantda@ucinet.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 5:38 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please Hello All, I am a little confused about the parishes of the Orkney Islands. (As well as the Orkney Islands' relationship to the Shetland Islands.) I have bee looking for ancestral records in the parish of Sandwick. I thought it was part of the Orkney Islands but now it looks like it might be in the Shetland Islands. Can anyone shed some light on this for this dense old guy. thanks. dan ----- Original Message ----- From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > The six surviving Parishes of the 1821 Census (Deerness, Orphir, St Andrews, > Sandwick, South Ronaldshay & Burray, Stromness) are all available on > microfiche in North America from the Ontario Genealogical Society in > Toronto. > > David, > Western Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janine McIntyre <janine@muskoka.com> > To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > > > > Pam > > If you find someone who has the 1821 census could you find out where they > > got it from. I can order the 1841 - 1891 census but not sure about any > > earlier census. It seems like you and I are researching the same area yet > I > > haven't come across any Petrie\Thomson marriages yet. I have a database of > > over 900 Petrie's from the Orkney & Caithness areas. If you come across > any > > relations with the Petrie's would you let me know. > > Janine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pam Thomson [SMTP:pamthom@intergate.bc.ca] > > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:11 PM > > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > > > > Hi, > > Does someone have the 1821 census for South Ronaldsay? If so, could > > you look for James & Euphan (Euphemia, Effy) TAMSON or THOMSON (or a > > variation thereof)- they would likely have those of their younger > > children who were still alive at home- Magnus about 8, Robert 11, > > James 19. The older children were Minney 23, Elizabeth 25, Barbara 28, > > Betty 29, William 31. > > > > Also, does anyone know who the parents of Magnus THOMSON who married > > Helen BUDGE in 1829 (also South Ronaldsay) were? > > Thanks, Pam > > -- > > Pam Thomson of BC, Canada > > New email address: as of August > > pamthom@intergate.bc.ca > > > > > >

Hello All, I am a little confused about the parishes of the Orkney Islands. (As well as the Orkney Islands' relationship to the Shetland Islands.) I have bee looking for ancestral records in the parish of Sandwick. I thought it was part of the Orkney Islands but now it looks like it might be in the Shetland Islands. Can anyone shed some light on this for this dense old guy. thanks. dan ----- Original Message ----- From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > The six surviving Parishes of the 1821 Census (Deerness, Orphir, St Andrews, > Sandwick, South Ronaldshay & Burray, Stromness) are all available on > microfiche in North America from the Ontario Genealogical Society in > Toronto. > > David, > Western Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Janine McIntyre <janine@muskoka.com> > To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:27 AM > Subject: RE: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > > > > Pam > > If you find someone who has the 1821 census could you find out where they > > got it from. I can order the 1841 - 1891 census but not sure about any > > earlier census. It seems like you and I are researching the same area yet > I > > haven't come across any Petrie\Thomson marriages yet. I have a database of > > over 900 Petrie's from the Orkney & Caithness areas. If you come across > any > > relations with the Petrie's would you let me know. > > Janine > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Pam Thomson [SMTP:pamthom@intergate.bc.ca] > > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:11 PM > > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > > > > Hi, > > Does someone have the 1821 census for South Ronaldsay? If so, could > > you look for James & Euphan (Euphemia, Effy) TAMSON or THOMSON (or a > > variation thereof)- they would likely have those of their younger > > children who were still alive at home- Magnus about 8, Robert 11, > > James 19. The older children were Minney 23, Elizabeth 25, Barbara 28, > > Betty 29, William 31. > > > > Also, does anyone know who the parents of Magnus THOMSON who married > > Helen BUDGE in 1829 (also South Ronaldsay) were? > > Thanks, Pam > > -- > > Pam Thomson of BC, Canada > > New email address: as of August > > pamthom@intergate.bc.ca > > > > > >

John Flett wrote: > > Hi People, > > I am still trying to access the following Orkney book. I know it is > rare and expensive. > > Records of the Earldom of Orkney, 1299-1614 - Author: Joseph > StorerClouston > Published: Edinburgh, 1914 (Scottish History Society, 2nd series, > volume7). > > Does anyone know where I could buy, borrow or see a micro-fiche/film of > it? > > Regards > > John Flett > Lotus CA USA The used book site http://www.barterbooks.co.uk/ says it has some books by J S Clouston but doesn't list them. They want you to ask for a title. He also wrote historical novels. The Scotland section has a number of 'history of' books but don't specifically mention Orkney. I'd be interested to know if you find it. MJ Corrigall

Is Janice Sinclair, Nisthouse Orkney on this list? or does any one know if she's on-line? Thanks mj corrigall

There is a Sandwick area in Shetland also which could be confused witn the Parish of Sandwick in Orkney

At 11:27 AM 8/24/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi People, > >I am still trying to access the following Orkney book. I know it is >rare and expensive. > >Records of the Earldom of Orkney, 1299-1614 - Author: Joseph >StorerClouston >Published: Edinburgh, 1914 (Scottish History Society, 2nd series, >volume7). > >Does anyone know where I could buy, borrow or see a micro-fiche/film of >it? > >Regards > >John Flett John, I'd try http://www.Bibliofind.com and there's another site like it, can't think of the name - the site allows independent book sellers to list their offerings through the service and you can search the listings of all of the sellers who've joined. You can also sign up for a "watch" for the book you want. Anne Rendall

Hi People, I am still trying to access the following Orkney book. I know it is rare and expensive. Records of the Earldom of Orkney, 1299-1614 - Author: Joseph StorerClouston Published: Edinburgh, 1914 (Scottish History Society, 2nd series, volume7). Does anyone know where I could buy, borrow or see a micro-fiche/film of it? Regards John Flett Lotus CA USA

At 10:27 AM 8/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >I'm confused ! I've been toying with the idea of viewing extracts at the >GRO. Is the information there any different or better than whats available >through the LDS family centers ? >Is it worthwhile to spend my 6 pounds ? Only if you plan on ordering copies of baptismal records or marriage records which have more detail in the years after 1861 Anne Rendall

I'm confused ! I've been toying with the idea of viewing extracts at the GRO. Is the information there any different or better than whats available through the LDS family centers ? Is it worthwhile to spend my 6 pounds ?

Hi Peter:--thanks fro the note. My FLETTS came from, KIRKWALL, ORKNEY ISLES. Thanks, think I have another brick wall .:( Pat ---------- From: Peter Davis <pdavis@nrg.com.au> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] WILLIAM FLETT Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 1:37 AM G'day Pat I can't help you with your query but as I have Shearers in my ancestry I thought I' say hullo. What island were your Fletts from?. My Mary Shearer/Sherar came from Shapinshay, she was born in 1806, married William Scott in 1827 and they emigrated to Australia in 1849, so my dates are a little later than yours. Good luck with your search Peter >Hi group:--I am looking for info on: > WILLIAM FLETT > 11 NOV.1769 m. HELEN MICHEAL >children: (1)WILLIAM (1770- > (2)JOHN (1775- >does anyone have any info for these FLETTS >-is it possible JOHN m. MARGARET SHEARER? >Thanks, Pat in Canada where I confuse the dead & irritate the living!

The six surviving Parishes of the 1821 Census (Deerness, Orphir, St Andrews, Sandwick, South Ronaldshay & Burray, Stromness) are all available on microfiche in North America from the Ontario Genealogical Society in Toronto. David, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Janine McIntyre <janine@muskoka.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > Pam > If you find someone who has the 1821 census could you find out where they > got it from. I can order the 1841 - 1891 census but not sure about any > earlier census. It seems like you and I are researching the same area yet I > haven't come across any Petrie\Thomson marriages yet. I have a database of > over 900 Petrie's from the Orkney & Caithness areas. If you come across any > relations with the Petrie's would you let me know. > Janine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pam Thomson [SMTP:pamthom@intergate.bc.ca] > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:11 PM > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ORKNEY] 1821 Census lookup-please > > Hi, > Does someone have the 1821 census for South Ronaldsay? If so, could > you look for James & Euphan (Euphemia, Effy) TAMSON or THOMSON (or a > variation thereof)- they would likely have those of their younger > children who were still alive at home- Magnus about 8, Robert 11, > James 19. The older children were Minney 23, Elizabeth 25, Barbara 28, > Betty 29, William 31. > > Also, does anyone know who the parents of Magnus THOMSON who married > Helen BUDGE in 1829 (also South Ronaldsay) were? > Thanks, Pam > -- > Pam Thomson of BC, Canada > New email address: as of August > pamthom@intergate.bc.ca > > >

Hello All! Can anyone tell me where I might write for a death record on my ggreat grandfather William Campbell who died Sept 23, 1915 in Deepdale Holm Orkney? I was also wondering would there have been probate records for this time period and where one might access this information! Thanks for the help Debbie Medford, OR USA

G'day Pat I can't help you with your query but as I have Shearers in my ancestry I thought I' say hullo. What island were your Fletts from?. My Mary Shearer/Sherar came from Shapinshay, she was born in 1806, married William Scott in 1827 and they emigrated to Australia in 1849, so my dates are a little later than yours. Good luck with your search Peter >Hi group:--I am looking for info on: > WILLIAM FLETT > 11 NOV.1769 m. HELEN MICHEAL >children: (1)WILLIAM (1770- > (2)JOHN (1775- >does anyone have any info for these FLETTS >-is it possible JOHN m. MARGARET SHEARER? >Thanks, Pat in Canada where I confuse the dead & irritate the living!