[Oops. My previous note had Donald Morgan's name wrong. Please ignore it. Thanks, and Sorry.] According to my grandfather, his father, Frank (or Francis) Morgan, was from the Orkneys. Unfortunately, that is all I have to go on besides the fact that some time before 1904, the family moved to Oshawa, Ontario, Canada. I know this because in 1904, Frank married Florence Herridge there. The 1881 British Isles census lists only two Morgan families living in the Orkneys, Donald Morgan (from Thurso) and Alexander McLeod Morgan (probably Donald's son). Either Frank was not yet born, or my grandfather was mistaken (I hope not). Does anyone recognize Frank Morgan from their research? And could someone with access to the 1891 census check to see if Frank is listed, possibly as Alexander's son (I hope so)?

According to my grandfather, his father, Frank (or Francis) Morgan, was from the Orkneys. Unfortunately, that is all I have to go on besides the fact that some time before 1904, the family moved to Oshawa, Ontario, Canada. I know this because in 1904, Frank married Florence Herridge there. The 1881 British Isles census lists only two Morgan families living in the Orkneys, David Morgan (from Thurso) and Alexander McLeod Morgan (probably David's son). Either Frank was not yet born, or my grandfather was mistaken (I hope not). Does anyone recognize Frank Morgan from their research? And could someone with access to the 1891 census check to see if Frank is listed, possibly as Alexander's son (I hope so)?

-----Original Message----- From: Isobel Stammers [mailto:isobel@macstammers.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 29 August 1999 13:08 To: Genealogy List Orkney Subject: FW: Garriochs in Orkney and NE Scotland Hi , I am resending this as it does not appear to have got through first time Isobel -----Original Message----- From: Isobel Stammers [mailto:isobel@macstammers.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 24 August 1999 11:29 To: Genealogy List Orkney Subject: Garriochs in Orkney and NE Scotland Is there any one out there who can tell me about my Garrioch (Garrick) relations. My GG Grandmother, Cecelia Wood Garrioch, was born between 1812-1814 in Orkney Kirkwall and died in 1991 in Edinburgh. Her parents were Robert Garrioch and Susanna Sutherland. Any information or clues welcomed. I am completely stumped. Isobel Stammers Oxfordshire Enngland

Jackie What you need to do the research on the census film is the parish name. Janine -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Middleton-Promo-2671 [SMTP:jackiem@citytv.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 7:48 AM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY] census question I'm thinking that the next step in my search for Orkney ancestors is to examine the various census. The marriage certificate I have for my Great Grandparents lists the town, but no street address. Is this omission common on Orkney documents? Is it possible to do a census search for Orkney with only the town name?? Jackie

Hi Dan, I hope this will help with the second part of your query. The 1871 census for Ontario is online at <http://www.archives.ca/exec/naweb.dll?fs&020108&e&top&0>. However there was no Malcolm Grant when I checked. A source for the 1861 census index would be the publications of the Kent County Genealogical Society at <http://www.angelfire.com/on/kentogs/> There is a Malcolm Grant in Donald Whyte's A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants before Confederation. He gives the emigration date to Kent as 1849. You might have a better chance with the 1851 census. Joanna Waugh Hamilton, Ontario Canada > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Clodi Hall > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:36:23 -0700 > From: "Dan Grant" <grantda@ucinet.com> > To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello All, > > I am looking for any info anyone can give me on a place called Clodi Hall in > the Parish of Sandwick. Apparantly my GG Grandfather, Malcom Grant (Groat?), > was born there on October 20, 1828. Also, I am looking for a source for the > 1861 or 1871 census for township Orford, County of Kent, Ontario, Canada > since he was listed there after immigrating to Canada. thanks guys! --- dan > grant >

Hi David, I notice that you are researching the family name Heddle. Interestingly enough, that is my wife's name and her family is from somewhere over that way. I have been searching my side of the family (Grant/Groat) but have had in the back of my mind to get to her side eventually. Her mother did some research on the Heddle line, though i know not how much. She is no longer living but I think my wife has the paperwork that she did. I say paperwork because it was done in the dark days before computers. If you would like I will take a look and share what she has. Let me know. (I am sending this email from my office email but can also be reached at grantda@ucinet.com ). dan grant

Unless you're in Kirkwall, Stromness or St Margaret's Hope, there are no "street addresses". The place names refer to "townlands" and crofts, not towns. David, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Middleton-Promo-2671 <jackiem@citytv.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 10:47 PM Subject: [ORKNEY] census question > I'm thinking that the next step in my search for Orkney ancestors is to > examine > the various census. The marriage certificate I have for my Great > Grandparents > lists the town, but no street address. Is this omission common on Orkney > documents? > Is it possible to do a census search for Orkney with only the town name?? > > Jackie > >

At Thursday, 2 September 1999, you wrote: >I have yet to find a detailed map that shows the proximity of the area.... >has anyone found one over the internet? There are a number of sites online that allow you to view Ordnance Survey maps of the UK. Off the top of my head you might have some luck with www.streetmap.co.uk They work with postcodes so key in KW16 (for Stromness) and then use the scroll facility. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: http://www.orkneyjar.com ============================================================ EASY and FREE access to your email anywhere: http://Mailreader.com/ ============================================================

I have searched the internet and haven't found Walls anywhere. Very frustrating. Some of my Shearers' were supposed to have lived there. I would appreciate knowing where it is as well. Best wishes, Andrea Ferguson >Thank you to all the responses in regards to my query about South Walls. >I now have a better idea of where it is. > >I have yet to find a detailed map that shows the proximity of the area.... >has anyone found one over the internet? > >Jackie > >

I'm thinking that the next step in my search for Orkney ancestors is to examine the various census. The marriage certificate I have for my Great Grandparents lists the town, but no street address. Is this omission common on Orkney documents? Is it possible to do a census search for Orkney with only the town name?? Jackie

Thank you to all the responses in regards to my query about South Walls. I now have a better idea of where it is. I have yet to find a detailed map that shows the proximity of the area.... has anyone found one over the internet? Jackie

I believe that geologically, South Walls is an island. The connection to North Walls on the island of Hoy is essentially a sand-bar, which used to be covered at high tide, but has now been improved by man and had a road constructed on it. In the same way, the Brough of Birsay is an island to which you can walk at low tide. Cheers David Researching Stewart, Baikie, Heddle, Malcomson, Stout, Gray, Cromarty, Oman, Anderson, Sutherland ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Young <michaeleyoung@webtv.net> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] North/South Walls?? > i stand corected mike, after going over the times atlas i now know they > are conected! > laughing.......cheers > >

At Tuesday, 31 August 1999, you wrote: > Please help me to find information on the ship called the Crown which >sunk at the Orkney Islands, Scotland in 1679. This ship sunk while >transporting prisoners from Scotland to America. These were prisoners taken >at the Battle of Bothwell Bridge. > I would like to know just how many people were aboard that ship, >passengers, if any, crew members and prisoners. Also, I assume, that there >must have been a list of the names of the prisoners who were being >transported aboard that ship. Please help me find these ansewers. > Also, from where did the ship take on it's precious, human cargo? (What >was it's port of departure)? How long had the ship been at sea? What was >the size of the Ship? Who were the owners of the ship? Who was the ships >captain? What was the exact date of sinkage and where was the exact location? > Please help me on this one, I will be very grateful. Please enter the >subject as The Sinking of the Crown. I have full details of the Covenanter's ship, including an article I wrote on the subject a while back. Unfortunately I won't be at home for a few days yet (we're finally getting heating installed!!) but will post it when I get home. -- Sigurd Towrie Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney Heritage of Orkney: http://www.orkneyjar.com ============================================================ EASY and FREE access to your email anywhere: http://Mailreader.com/ ============================================================

Hello All, I am looking for any info anyone can give me on a place called Clodi Hall in the Parish of Sandwick. Apparantly my GG Grandfather, Malcom Grant (Groat?), was born there on October 20, 1828. Also, I am looking for a source for the 1861 or 1871 census for township Orford, County of Kent, Ontario, Canada since he was listed there after immigrating to Canada. thanks guys! --- dan grant

Marilyn, Wow! Fifth cousins? Neat! Eliza Peebles Allan was born 14 June 1833 (1901 census of Canada) and christened 28 July 1833. (Information at the LDS Library had her date of birth as 14 June 1830 and place of birth as Kirkwall, O.I., Scotland.) She married John Cogle Budge on 10 Dec. 1857. Their children were: Thomas Budge, born 13 September 1858 in Scotland, died 26 April 1941 in Canada; John George Budge, born 19 April 1860 in Scotland; Eliza Harriot Budge, born 2 March 1862 (1863 on 1901 census of Canada) in Scotland; William Halcro Allan Budge, born 15 March 1864 in Scotland; Louisa Budge, born 15 September 1866 (5 September on 1901 census, 25 September from my aunt's info) in Scotland; and James B. Budge, born 10 October 1869 in Scotland. John Cogle Budge left South Ronaldsay in 1869 and sailed for Canada. Eliza and her six children re-joined him in 1871. In Canada they had several more children: Nathaniel Budge, born 27 January 1873 (1874 on 1901 census of Canada); Albert E. Budge, born 28 July 1874 (1875 on 1901 census of Canada); Alfred David, born 28 July 1874 (not on 1901 census because he died at a young age); and Helen Budge (Ellen Isabella on 1901 census of Canada), born 8 February 1876 John Cogle Budge was born 12 July 1828 in Scotland and died in 1904 at the age of 76. Eliza died in 1929 at the age of 96 or 99, depending on what record you base her age. Both are buried at Walford, Ontario, Canada. Marilyn, I guess I'll stop there with my info. I don't want to inundate the list with Budge 'stuff'. However, if anyone has info that contradicts or verifies my info, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Kind regards, Lori Beckerton North Bay, ON, Canada > Allan. I had the Isabella and Barbara Allan as the only children of Isabella > and Edward Allan. Any further information appreciated.

i stand corected mike, after going over the times atlas i now know they are conected! laughing.......cheers

hello mike then i quess my 3 x 3 ft map (thanks kath) of the orkneys is wrong?? i could be wrong but unless they fild the channel in it is an island? don"t worry i"f wrong i have very thick skin and i can laugh with the best!!!! cheers........m.young van,b.c canada

For a really good description of the island of Hoy, have a look at http://www.orkney.com/islands/hoy.htm Kind regards -- Mike Clouston mike.clouston@ukonline.co.uk http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mike.clouston/ http://web.ukonline.co.uk/pegwell/

There is no island call "South Walls" - it is actually joined to the island of Hoy by a narrow isthmus. Kind regards Mike Clouston -- Mike Clouston mike.clouston@ukonline.co.uk http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mike.clouston/ http://web.ukonline.co.uk/pegwell/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Young <michaeleyoung@webtv.net> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 1 September 1999 21:03 Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] North/South Walls?? > jackie > south walls "island" is located at the south end of island "hoy" the > "long hope channel" runs betwen > >

jackie south walls "island" is located at the south end of island "hoy" the "long hope channel" runs betwen