Catherine, If you stick around and watch this group you will pickup lots of tid bits and info about Orkney. This is a great group and the population, geography, etc is small enough that it is not like trying to learn about all of eastern europe, for instance. Welcome. Dan Grant grantda@ucinet.com Researching the Malcom Grant/Groat family

Deasbrake Birsay does still exist although in a fairly ruinous condition being uninhabited for many years. Im not so sure about Quoy of Holland . I know the area and there is a ruin there which possibly could be the house. -----Original Message----- From: sue hamilton <sue_hamilton@hotmail.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 02 October 1999 11:22 Subject: [ORKNEY] RE: Deasbrake, Birsay > > > >>My great-grandfather, John Cutt, was an 'agricultural laborer', living with >>his family at "Quoy of Hollands", Mirbister, Harray, between 1869 and 1882 >>when he moved to Edinburgh. >My searches for the deaths of his wife's parents (John and Mary Ann >Findlater), who came from Aberdeen, were not productive -- until I found >their deaths recorded at Birsay. They must have come from Aberdeen to stay >with/near their daughter. However, they died there AFTER the John Cutts had >gone to Edinburgh. (They both died in 1887 at Deasbrake, Birsay.) Do these >addresses mean anything to anyone? Both families must have been very poor. >sue hamilton > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >

Hi there, Thanks for the info. I'll let you know if I find a connection between the two William Peace men. If you know any other gems about the Orkneys then feel free to email me, I would love to know more about this region. It's a part of Scotland that I really never learned much about when I grew up there. Thanks again! Catherine (Alabama - U.S.A.)

G'day Catherine, Eday and Pharay are two islands in Orkney that also happen to be combined to form a Parish. A British Parish is much the same as a North American township (I'm assuming that you're posting from North America). Between 1861 and 1881, Orkney lost about a quarter of its population from migration, so for your Margaret to turn up down south in Scotland in 1881 would not be unusual. I'd be interested, if in the course of your research you pick up on a William Peace of Eday, his wife Margaret Stewart of South Ronaldshay and their two children John (1849) and William (1851). My connection is through Margaret Stewart and this another of the many lines of cousins that I have not yet had time to trace to the modern day. Cheers David Western Australia Researching Stewart, Baikie, Malcomson, Stout, Heddle, Gray, Sutherland ----- Original Message ----- From: <Zrealmuto@aol.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 10:14 PM Subject: [ORKNEY] Mary Peace, 1867. Eady and Pharay > Hi there, > > I am looking for info on the following people. Or if anyone can tell me > something about the area that is mentioned (is it a town, district, etc.). > It's just a name to me at the moment so a description of any kind would be > greatly appreciated. > > MARY PEACE b. 30th June 1867 > Eady and Pharay, Orkney, Scotland. > > >From the 1881 census it looks like she moved to Edinburgh to live with a > family where she was a servant - was this a normal thing to do? > > PARENTS : WILLIAM PEACE and ANN SPENCE > > TIA > > Catherine > (zrealmuto@aol.com) > >

Hi there, I am looking for info on the following people. Or if anyone can tell me something about the area that is mentioned (is it a town, district, etc.). It's just a name to me at the moment so a description of any kind would be greatly appreciated. MARY PEACE b. 30th June 1867 Eady and Pharay, Orkney, Scotland. >From the 1881 census it looks like she moved to Edinburgh to live with a family where she was a servant - was this a normal thing to do? PARENTS : WILLIAM PEACE and ANN SPENCE TIA Catherine (zrealmuto@aol.com)

> This is wierd that we have same place, same first > name but differetn last names. Ronaldsvoe is an area, a tunship, and not the name of a house. As such there would have been a number of families living and working in the area. -- Sigurd Towrie - Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney E-Mail: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Orkneyjar - The Heritage of Orkney: http://www.orkneyjar.com

> James was living in St. Margaret's Hope at the time of their > marriage.....Ann was living in Ronalds' - Voe (sp??) Has anyone else come > across this place name (at least that's what I think it is....it's hard to > read on the certificate copy)?? Rognvald's-vagr (corrupted to Ronaldsvoe) means "Rognvald's Bay" and was the original name for St Margaret's Hope. However the Ronaldsvoe I think you're looking for is just to the west of the Hope. -- Sigurd Towrie - Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney E-Mail: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Orkneyjar - The Heritage of Orkney: http://www.orkneyjar.com

Jackie In 1861 census I came across the same name "Ronaldsvoe", D3\Pg9 where some Petrie's where living. I have a James & Ann Petrie living there age 74 for James and 68 for Ann. This is wierd that we have same place, same first name but differetn last names. Janine -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Middleton [SMTP:jackiemiddleton@home.com] Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 6:27 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY] new leads & Ronalds' Voe???? Hi there!! I got yet another Scottish certificate in the mail today - this time it's the marriage certificate of my Great-Great-Grandparents, James DICKSON and Ann HOURSTON. I found it quite interesting as Ann was age 32, while her groom was only 25! James was living in St. Margaret's Hope at the time of their marriage.....Ann was living in Ronalds' - Voe (sp??) Has anyone else come across this place name (at least that's what I think it is....it's hard to read on the certificate copy)?? The best part for me is that this certificate lists their parents.... James DICKSON's parents were Joseph DICKSON & Jane CLOUSTON. Ann HOURSTON's parents were William HOURSTON & Ann NORQUAY. Do any of these surnames right any bells?? Jackie

>My great-grandfather, John Cutt, was an 'agricultural laborer', living with >his family at "Quoy of Hollands", Mirbister, Harray, between 1869 and 1882 >when he moved to Edinburgh. My searches for the deaths of his wife's parents (John and Mary Ann Findlater), who came from Aberdeen, were not productive -- until I found their deaths recorded at Birsay. They must have come from Aberdeen to stay with/near their daughter. However, they died there AFTER the John Cutts had gone to Edinburgh. (They both died in 1887 at Deasbrake, Birsay.) Do these addresses mean anything to anyone? Both families must have been very poor. sue hamilton ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

At 09:26 PM 10/1/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi there!! > >I got yet another Scottish certificate in the mail today - this time it's >the marriage certificate of my Great-Great-Grandparents, >James DICKSON and Ann HOURSTON. I found it quite interesting as Ann was age >32, while her groom was only 25! >James was living in St. Margaret's Hope at the time of their >marriage.....Ann was living in Ronalds' - Voe (sp??) Has anyone else come >across this place name (at least that's what I think it is....it's hard to >read on the certificate copy)?? > >The best part for me is that this certificate lists their parents.... >James DICKSON's parents were Joseph DICKSON & Jane CLOUSTON. >Ann HOURSTON's parents were William HOURSTON & Ann NORQUAY. > >Do any of these surnames right any bells?? > >Jackie I have read that Hourston and Yorston are related surnames - or variations of the same surname - none in our line but thought I'd pass this along. Anne Rendall

Hi there!! I got yet another Scottish certificate in the mail today - this time it's the marriage certificate of my Great-Great-Grandparents, James DICKSON and Ann HOURSTON. I found it quite interesting as Ann was age 32, while her groom was only 25! James was living in St. Margaret's Hope at the time of their marriage.....Ann was living in Ronalds' - Voe (sp??) Has anyone else come across this place name (at least that's what I think it is....it's hard to read on the certificate copy)?? The best part for me is that this certificate lists their parents.... James DICKSON's parents were Joseph DICKSON & Jane CLOUSTON. Ann HOURSTON's parents were William HOURSTON & Ann NORQUAY. Do any of these surnames right any bells?? Jackie

Dear Listmembers, I have to unsubscribe now since I will be leaving on Sunday for the move to Luzerne Co., Pennsylvania. I'll rejoin after I am settled into my new house and have a new ISP. Meanwhile, happy ancestor hunting, Doug Nicol Santa Rosa CA (not for long!)

I am very interested in learning all that I can about the ship wreck of the "Crown" which occured at Deerness in 1679. There has been a monument erected in momory of those persons who drowned in that wreck. PLEASE, would some very kind soul, take a picture of that monument and send it to me? I would really appreciate it, very, very much. If you would like, you could use snail mail, drop me an E-mail and I will send you my posting address. OR Use E-mail: MRich10000@AOL.com

> > Jean TRAILL dau of late Patrick TRAILL mercht in > > Kirkwall, d Edin 31 Dec 1829 This is from an entry on the Midlothian list- It gives the LDS film number. I have nothing more than this & the person who posted it said: > a microfilm of MLN Testaments 1830 > -35. I've extracted all surnames & dates from 1830-31. > (took 5 hrs) - will try and finish the roll next > Saturday. > > N.B. I'd like to stress that if you find anyone of > interest please refer to the original film # 0500255 I recently found, BTW, that the names Patrick & Peter were often used interchangeably. If anyone is a Traill expert, there's a Janet Trail who married Peter or Patrick TODRICK in 1756 in Whittinghame, East Lothian. I'd be interested in anymor information about her. Pam -- Pam Thomson in BC, Canada mailto:pamthom@intergate.bc.ca One Name Study: Todrick (& variant spellings)

Hi, I wonder if anyone is familiar with this family? FamilySearch® International Genealogical Index™ v4.01 British Isles IGI Record Andrew MC BEATH Sex: M Event(s): Born: 14 Apr 1859 Holm And Paplay, Orkney, Scotland Parents: Father: Andrew MC BEATH Mother: Isabella BAIKIE Batch number: C110191 I'm wondering if this might be the Andrew McBeath who married Mary EllenWallace, d/o of John Wallace and Helen Spence, from South Ronaldsay- I believe they moved to Johannesburg, South Africa. Pam -- Pam Thomson in BC, Canada mailto:pamthom@intergate.bc.ca One Name Study: Todrick (& variant spellings)

Hello Jannette! I too have a ggrandfather named William Campbell. He settled in Deepdale Holm Orkney and married a Mary Cruickshank. Mary died giving birth to ther first child. William later married a Bathid Farquharson. I belive William died in early 1900's in Holm. Could this be a match to your William? Debbie

Hi Janette, We recently moved to Barrie, Ontario and as a consequence had to change ISP`s. My new e-mail address is john.campbell7@sympatico.ca. I am sorry, I thought I had advised all concerned. Regards John Campbell Janette Thomson wrote: > I have tried to contact John CAMPBELL on jocam@istar.ca as given on Oki. list in relation to his interest of CAMPBELL in Sanday. > My message keeps coming back as " address not known." Can anyone help me on his current email address. > please ? > My 2xgt grandfather,William CAMPBELLhad a brother,Thomas,marr. to Janet SLATER in c.1838 in Kirkwall.He died in 1888 in Sanday. He originated from Halkirk,Cai. > Any connection? > Hope to hear, Janette Thomson in Melbourne.

I recently learned that my g-g-grandparents were married in this church in 1857. I don't know anything about church history, but an old posting from May mentions that United Presbyterian "Congregation" was formed in 1796 and joined with the Free Church in 1900. When I inquired if the church still exists, I was told that if it did it wouldn't be called "Presbyterian". So would this have been a non-conformist church, separate from the established church? I'm hoping someone on the list can explain this. Thank you. Linda Baikie Gee

On the LDS on-line, there are several similar listings for an ISOBEL MELLES (and similar spellings) ca. 1759. I have an YSABEL MELOS or MELSA in my line born around 1752. They may be the same woman???? If anyone is researching MELLES and similar spellings of OKNEY, I would be interested in corresponding. Thank you so very much. Sincerely, Bonnie McVoy Treon mailto:COOLTREONS@hotmail.com Seeking: MELLES/MELOS/MELSA/MCVOY/VOY/MACAVOY/BYRNE/COCHRANE/COCKRAN/ COCHRAN/PALMER/FOWLER ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hope to contact descendants of Margaret GROUNDWATER who came to Melbourne,Australia in 1851 on "Stebonheath" in care of a John and Jane MUIR,(relations?) It is thought that she married Rev.Wm.SMITH,friend and partner of her cousin,Rev.James GROUNDWATER in 1852 in Melbourne. Rev.James was my gt. grandmother's uncle. Any help appreciated. Janette Thomson in Melbourne