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In a message dated 10/19/99 11:21:15 AM, eotc@oregonvos.net writes: > >> << Jim, Would you happen to know if those archives are accessible >> from the >> net? >> It sounds like they would be fertile digging ground for other info also. > I don't think they are but Sigurd Towrie would know for sure. > http://www.orkneyjar.com Nope afraid not. The only way to get to the information in the archives is to visit them. -- Sigurd Towrie - Blackhall - Kirbister - Stromness - Orkney E-Mail: sigurd@orkneyjar.com Orkneyjar - The Heritage of Orkney: http://www.orkneyjar.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF1BD3.F6B268C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe Cheerio! Doe (Doeen Hoy) Dodgecity Management Pty Ltd t/as Hoy Music Management for MACH 1 -----Original Message----- From: ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: ORKNEY-D@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, 21 October 1999 14:50 Subject: ORKNEY-D Digest V99 #258 ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF1BD3.F6B268C0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Doe.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doe.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoy;Doreen FN:Doe EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:hoy@mpx.com.au REV:19991021T045257Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01BF1BD3.F6B268C0--

In a message dated 10/19/99 11:21:15 AM, eotc@oregonvos.net writes: << Jim, Would you happen to know if those archives are accessible from the net? It sounds like they would be fertile digging ground for other info also. TIA! dan grant researching: GROAT & GRANT www.grantgg.com/~grantda >> I don't think they are but Sigurd Towrie would know for sure. http://www.orkneyjar.com Jim.

Don't worry about the mistake of sending a personal letter to the list- however, don't compound the problem by including it over and over in your reply :-) Both the person who asked the question and the person who originally made the mistake sent the whole letter back to the list again. Cut & Paste - it's not just for kindergarten any more! :-) Pam -- Pam Thomson in BC, Canada A Proud Rootsweb Sponsor One Name Study: Todrick (& variant spellings) mailto:pamthom@intergate.ca

No it wasn't...I goofed.....a family member is divorcing .....bad situation....sorry....did not intend to do that.....I put the messages she sent in a draft file to retrieve later....then went back to inbox....forgetting that I had.....(senility setting in I guess)....and did a reply to author...with my message...unfortunately...(for me)....it went to the wrong source....Boy is my face red....fortunately for my sister...she still remains unanimous ....and I didn't notice this until the note had gone out......but really.....it happens....I do hope that people will just not make judgements about this...and know it was mistakenly sent..... R.C. -----Original Message----- From: Doreen Hoy <hoy@mpx.com.au> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >woops!! > >Was that letter intended for mass distribution? > >NAME INTERESTS: INGRAM, ABEL, CRIAIGIE (ORKNEY) OMAN (ORKNEY), SHERRIFFS > >Cheerio! >Doe >(Doreen Hoy) >Dodgecity Management Pty Ltd >t/as Hoy Music Management >for MACH 1 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Callaway <big1bertha@excelonline.com> >To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Wednesday, 20 October 1999 3:03 >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair > > >>Hi Ruth.....got the cute cup of coffee......I had a bad feeling when I met >>you guys in Mesa that time....I just couldn't believe that he could say >>that.....and that you would put up with it...but then I figured you didn't >>get what Van Buren St. was....see ...right off the bat he said that to >>me....what is his problem anyway.....Did his mother make him repressed and >a >>mannerly boy to the point of this.....or was he a spoiled little boy who >>always wanted his own way....so to do that....he had to make the other one >>the bad guy to justify his tantrums....that is what they are.... >> >>I know one thing .....it is all about CONTROL....basically.....men who >>batter and abuse women are really cowards.....they can't fight a >>man....because they would probably get the crap beat out of them....so they >>go to someone they can batter who is smaller than they are.....He probably >>felt insignifigant because he didn't get your undivided attention. And >alot >>of guys are less concerned with the actual feelings of the woman...and more >>concerned with their own feelings......and how they appear to the >>world....Generally men like that....will spend money on things they >>enjoy.....the number one person in that kind of guy's life is him. What >did >>Matt do all of these times...? I am glad that he is old enough to manage >at >>this point with out you being there.....but he can always go see his own >>mother....you don't have to feel responsible for him...you tried....You >>should never have to take that disrespect from any man....and Matt needs to >>see that it is not behavior to continue....and women eventually leave when >>they are treated so badly...... >> >>Better for you to get out....He has already broken his marriage vows >because >>of the fact that he does not honor you and doing that in the presence of >his >>son....is terrible....He will have himself....and himself only....to live >>with.....He needs to get some counseling....the problem too...is that he >>thinks it is all o.k. He needs to finally admit to himself that this is >not >>normal. Like I said before....he can't expect any woman to stay with >>him....if he trys to make an example of this behavior in front on >>Matt.....Or Matt will think this is o.k.. and he will continue the >>behavior......If you did stay....then it makes this seem o.k. for him to >>do....and he would have done it again....... >> >>I think it must have really been hard for the woman who had his >>children....she probably felt trapped.... >> >>I will never judge you.....I know Mike has a nice house....he has a nice >>car....he wears nice clothes.....everything "seems" nice about >him....except >>for the fact that.....all of those surface things just cover up the fact >>that he isn't really "nice" at all.....He just wants the world out there to >>only see what he perceives...as "a really nice guy".....But the funny thing >>is.....I would be willing to bet that alot of people really do see through >>all of that facade......I doubt if he has that many people >>fooled......Yes...he has good points....and he is charming....and a good >>conversationalist....but....none of that is worth putting up with the other >>crap.....Now you can be the Ruth you always were....that he ...and Roger >>tried to put down......I will stand by you....because you are my friend, >and >>my sister....and I love you. I don't love Roger, and I don't love >>Mike......I do ....however, still care about your first ....Rob....he was >>always the good one.....and he will probably always...care.... >> >>I am glad to hear that you have no intentions of any signifigant >>other.....you don't need that......It is too bad that you were with weak >men >>who thought that abusing a woman makes them strong.....I does just the >>opposite....Any man who does that to a woman is a poor excuse for a man. I >>think I will send back the picture of you and Mike..if you want......and >you >>can cut him out of the picture...ha. >> >>I guess...that I knew you wouldn't have listened to me back then before you >>got married....and you and I didn't see eye to eye on alot of things >>then.....so that is why I kept my doubts about him to myself....you would >>have just gotten mad at me.....maybe I should have....but you would have >>gotten mad...told him I didn't think he was a good choice....and it would >>have kept us divided more than we already were.....so I kept quiet....but I >>still didn't like it. And I had that gut feeling.....People will always >>give clues....you just have to see those red flags for what they >>are...."warning signals".......The charm kind of goes with that package >>too.....and when women get the I'm sorry....crap then they feel >>nutty.....all a form of the guy's manipulating and control..... >> >>Basically.....men who try to control a woman....feel inadaquate....and >since >>they can't always control most things.....they feel like they have to >>control women.....I think men like that are really intimadated by >>women....and really don't even like women. >> >>So....I am glad you are moving on.....Your children are grown....and you >did >>what you could for Matt...Mike's son....besides....he has a mother he can >go >>to anyway.....You tried to be a good step mom..... >> >>Surround yourself with spiritual people who try to live the right >>way....have compassion for others....and don't wrap themselves up in only >>their own things....and you will be fine....Mike is still trying to control >>you from a distance....and he will do the same thing to someone >>else....Unless....he admits this is a problem.....and he has to get >>counseling. >> >>Good Luck Ruth......Love, Martha >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tracy Hope <tracyh@earthling.net.nz> >>To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:19 AM >>Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >> >> >>>Excuse me while I delurk briefly, but I wanted to mention that my gggg >>>grandfather, a John FRISKEN, married a FLETT just before emigrating to New >>>Zealand. I'll find out the rest of the details if you like. >>> >>>--Tracy Hope >>> >>>> Wondering if anyone is researching the family of JAMES SINCLAIR married >>>> MARGARET FLETT 2-Jan-1817 in Firth & Stennes or their son DAVID SINCLAIR >>>> Married ELIZA PEARSON 2-Nov-1847 Kirkwall & St Olla. >>>> Rita Rodger in Wishaw,N.Lanarkshire >>> >>> >> >> > >------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680 >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; > name="Doe.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="Doe.vcf" > >BEGIN:VCARD >VERSION:2.1 >N:Hoy;Doreen >FN:Doe >EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:hoy@mpx.com.au >REV:19991019T231649Z >END:VCARD > >------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680-- >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit woops!! Was that letter intended for mass distribution? NAME INTERESTS: INGRAM, ABEL, CRIAIGIE (ORKNEY) OMAN (ORKNEY), SHERRIFFS Cheerio! Doe (Doreen Hoy) Dodgecity Management Pty Ltd t/as Hoy Music Management for MACH 1 -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Callaway <big1bertha@excelonline.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 20 October 1999 3:03 Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >Hi Ruth.....got the cute cup of coffee......I had a bad feeling when I met >you guys in Mesa that time....I just couldn't believe that he could say >that.....and that you would put up with it...but then I figured you didn't >get what Van Buren St. was....see ...right off the bat he said that to >me....what is his problem anyway.....Did his mother make him repressed and a >mannerly boy to the point of this.....or was he a spoiled little boy who >always wanted his own way....so to do that....he had to make the other one >the bad guy to justify his tantrums....that is what they are.... > >I know one thing .....it is all about CONTROL....basically.....men who >batter and abuse women are really cowards.....they can't fight a >man....because they would probably get the crap beat out of them....so they >go to someone they can batter who is smaller than they are.....He probably >felt insignifigant because he didn't get your undivided attention. And alot >of guys are less concerned with the actual feelings of the woman...and more >concerned with their own feelings......and how they appear to the >world....Generally men like that....will spend money on things they >enjoy.....the number one person in that kind of guy's life is him. What did >Matt do all of these times...? I am glad that he is old enough to manage at >this point with out you being there.....but he can always go see his own >mother....you don't have to feel responsible for him...you tried....You >should never have to take that disrespect from any man....and Matt needs to >see that it is not behavior to continue....and women eventually leave when >they are treated so badly...... > >Better for you to get out....He has already broken his marriage vows because >of the fact that he does not honor you and doing that in the presence of his >son....is terrible....He will have himself....and himself only....to live >with.....He needs to get some counseling....the problem too...is that he >thinks it is all o.k. He needs to finally admit to himself that this is not >normal. Like I said before....he can't expect any woman to stay with >him....if he trys to make an example of this behavior in front on >Matt.....Or Matt will think this is o.k.. and he will continue the >behavior......If you did stay....then it makes this seem o.k. for him to >do....and he would have done it again....... > >I think it must have really been hard for the woman who had his >children....she probably felt trapped.... > >I will never judge you.....I know Mike has a nice house....he has a nice >car....he wears nice clothes.....everything "seems" nice about him....except >for the fact that.....all of those surface things just cover up the fact >that he isn't really "nice" at all.....He just wants the world out there to >only see what he perceives...as "a really nice guy".....But the funny thing >is.....I would be willing to bet that alot of people really do see through >all of that facade......I doubt if he has that many people >fooled......Yes...he has good points....and he is charming....and a good >conversationalist....but....none of that is worth putting up with the other >crap.....Now you can be the Ruth you always were....that he ...and Roger >tried to put down......I will stand by you....because you are my friend, and >my sister....and I love you. I don't love Roger, and I don't love >Mike......I do ....however, still care about your first ....Rob....he was >always the good one.....and he will probably always...care.... > >I am glad to hear that you have no intentions of any signifigant >other.....you don't need that......It is too bad that you were with weak men >who thought that abusing a woman makes them strong.....I does just the >opposite....Any man who does that to a woman is a poor excuse for a man. I >think I will send back the picture of you and Mike..if you want......and you >can cut him out of the picture...ha. > >I guess...that I knew you wouldn't have listened to me back then before you >got married....and you and I didn't see eye to eye on alot of things >then.....so that is why I kept my doubts about him to myself....you would >have just gotten mad at me.....maybe I should have....but you would have >gotten mad...told him I didn't think he was a good choice....and it would >have kept us divided more than we already were.....so I kept quiet....but I >still didn't like it. And I had that gut feeling.....People will always >give clues....you just have to see those red flags for what they >are...."warning signals".......The charm kind of goes with that package >too.....and when women get the I'm sorry....crap then they feel >nutty.....all a form of the guy's manipulating and control..... > >Basically.....men who try to control a woman....feel inadaquate....and since >they can't always control most things.....they feel like they have to >control women.....I think men like that are really intimadated by >women....and really don't even like women. > >So....I am glad you are moving on.....Your children are grown....and you did >what you could for Matt...Mike's son....besides....he has a mother he can go >to anyway.....You tried to be a good step mom..... > >Surround yourself with spiritual people who try to live the right >way....have compassion for others....and don't wrap themselves up in only >their own things....and you will be fine....Mike is still trying to control >you from a distance....and he will do the same thing to someone >else....Unless....he admits this is a problem.....and he has to get >counseling. > >Good Luck Ruth......Love, Martha >-----Original Message----- >From: Tracy Hope <tracyh@earthling.net.nz> >To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:19 AM >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair > > >>Excuse me while I delurk briefly, but I wanted to mention that my gggg >>grandfather, a John FRISKEN, married a FLETT just before emigrating to New >>Zealand. I'll find out the rest of the details if you like. >> >>--Tracy Hope >> >>> Wondering if anyone is researching the family of JAMES SINCLAIR married >>> MARGARET FLETT 2-Jan-1817 in Firth & Stennes or their son DAVID SINCLAIR >>> Married ELIZA PEARSON 2-Nov-1847 Kirkwall & St Olla. >>> Rita Rodger in Wishaw,N.Lanarkshire >> >> > > ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Doe.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Doe.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Hoy;Doreen FN:Doe EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:hoy@mpx.com.au REV:19991019T231649Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF1ADB.D81CF680--

At 10:06 AM 10/19/99 -0600, you wrote: > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Callaway <big1bertha@excelonline.com> >To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:58 AM >Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair > > > >>I my.....I had just recieved some information from my relative....and >responded....but accidentally forwarded to your address....!! Please >delete.....It has nothing at all to do with Orkney.....I am so sorry....Do >not post it Please....and do not post this message either... > >I apologize ...profusely..... > > I'm afraid it cannot be deleted now. The address you sent to is a computer that takes our messages and broadcasts them to everyone on the list immediately. When I saw it was posted in error I deleted it without reading and trust others will do the same. Anne Rendall volunteer listowner Orkney-L

Thankyou.....I should have looked at the reply to author.....but it happened....It was an honest letter that was speakly of a breakup....but maybe someone out there has experienced...so ...sorry for people having to get that in their mail.....r.c. -----Original Message----- From: Anne M. Rendall <anne@rendall.net> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:44 AM Subject: Re: (was Re: Fw: [ORKNEY] Sinclair) >At 10:06 AM 10/19/99 -0600, you wrote: >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jerry Callaway <big1bertha@excelonline.com> >>To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:58 AM >>Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >> >> >> >>>I my.....I had just recieved some information from my relative....and >>responded....but accidentally forwarded to your address....!! Please >>delete.....It has nothing at all to do with Orkney.....I am so sorry....Do >>not post it Please....and do not post this message either... >> >>I apologize ...profusely..... >> >> > >I'm afraid it cannot be deleted now. The address you sent to is a computer >that takes our messages and broadcasts them to everyone on the list >immediately. > >When I saw it was posted in error I deleted it without reading and trust >others will do the same. > >Anne Rendall >volunteer listowner Orkney-L >

Hello List .....I profusely apologize for sending what I thought was a reply to a relative....accidentally sending to the Orkey site....I am so sorry....I hope that never happens again...please delete. Unfortunately sometimes these things happen.....I really did not intend for the world to read that....but all I can do now is say that I am very sorry for it going on your list....and it was not something I intended to do...but I did....So....will you forgive my mistake.... Thankyou.....R.C.

-----Original Message----- From: Jerry Callaway <big1bertha@excelonline.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >I my.....I had just recieved some information from my relative....and responded....but accidentally forwarded to your address....!! Please delete.....It has nothing at all to do with Orkney.....I am so sorry....Do not post it Please....and do not post this message either... I apologize ...profusely.....

Hi Ruth.....got the cute cup of coffee......I had a bad feeling when I met you guys in Mesa that time....I just couldn't believe that he could say that.....and that you would put up with it...but then I figured you didn't get what Van Buren St. was....see ...right off the bat he said that to me....what is his problem anyway.....Did his mother make him repressed and a mannerly boy to the point of this.....or was he a spoiled little boy who always wanted his own way....so to do that....he had to make the other one the bad guy to justify his tantrums....that is what they are.... I know one thing .....it is all about CONTROL....basically.....men who batter and abuse women are really cowards.....they can't fight a man....because they would probably get the crap beat out of them....so they go to someone they can batter who is smaller than they are.....He probably felt insignifigant because he didn't get your undivided attention. And alot of guys are less concerned with the actual feelings of the woman...and more concerned with their own feelings......and how they appear to the world....Generally men like that....will spend money on things they enjoy.....the number one person in that kind of guy's life is him. What did Matt do all of these times...? I am glad that he is old enough to manage at this point with out you being there.....but he can always go see his own mother....you don't have to feel responsible for him...you tried....You should never have to take that disrespect from any man....and Matt needs to see that it is not behavior to continue....and women eventually leave when they are treated so badly...... Better for you to get out....He has already broken his marriage vows because of the fact that he does not honor you and doing that in the presence of his son....is terrible....He will have himself....and himself only....to live with.....He needs to get some counseling....the problem too...is that he thinks it is all o.k. He needs to finally admit to himself that this is not normal. Like I said before....he can't expect any woman to stay with him....if he trys to make an example of this behavior in front on Matt.....Or Matt will think this is o.k.. and he will continue the behavior......If you did stay....then it makes this seem o.k. for him to do....and he would have done it again....... I think it must have really been hard for the woman who had his children....she probably felt trapped.... I will never judge you.....I know Mike has a nice house....he has a nice car....he wears nice clothes.....everything "seems" nice about him....except for the fact that.....all of those surface things just cover up the fact that he isn't really "nice" at all.....He just wants the world out there to only see what he perceives...as "a really nice guy".....But the funny thing is.....I would be willing to bet that alot of people really do see through all of that facade......I doubt if he has that many people fooled......Yes...he has good points....and he is charming....and a good conversationalist....but....none of that is worth putting up with the other crap.....Now you can be the Ruth you always were....that he ...and Roger tried to put down......I will stand by you....because you are my friend, and my sister....and I love you. I don't love Roger, and I don't love Mike......I do ....however, still care about your first ....Rob....he was always the good one.....and he will probably always...care.... I am glad to hear that you have no intentions of any signifigant other.....you don't need that......It is too bad that you were with weak men who thought that abusing a woman makes them strong.....I does just the opposite....Any man who does that to a woman is a poor excuse for a man. I think I will send back the picture of you and Mike..if you want......and you can cut him out of the picture...ha. I guess...that I knew you wouldn't have listened to me back then before you got married....and you and I didn't see eye to eye on alot of things then.....so that is why I kept my doubts about him to myself....you would have just gotten mad at me.....maybe I should have....but you would have gotten mad...told him I didn't think he was a good choice....and it would have kept us divided more than we already were.....so I kept quiet....but I still didn't like it. And I had that gut feeling.....People will always give clues....you just have to see those red flags for what they are...."warning signals".......The charm kind of goes with that package too.....and when women get the I'm sorry....crap then they feel nutty.....all a form of the guy's manipulating and control..... Basically.....men who try to control a woman....feel inadaquate....and since they can't always control most things.....they feel like they have to control women.....I think men like that are really intimadated by women....and really don't even like women. So....I am glad you are moving on.....Your children are grown....and you did what you could for Matt...Mike's son....besides....he has a mother he can go to anyway.....You tried to be a good step mom..... Surround yourself with spiritual people who try to live the right way....have compassion for others....and don't wrap themselves up in only their own things....and you will be fine....Mike is still trying to control you from a distance....and he will do the same thing to someone else....Unless....he admits this is a problem.....and he has to get counseling. Good Luck Ruth......Love, Martha -----Original Message----- From: Tracy Hope <tracyh@earthling.net.nz> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Sinclair >Excuse me while I delurk briefly, but I wanted to mention that my gggg >grandfather, a John FRISKEN, married a FLETT just before emigrating to New >Zealand. I'll find out the rest of the details if you like. > >--Tracy Hope > >> Wondering if anyone is researching the family of JAMES SINCLAIR married >> MARGARET FLETT 2-Jan-1817 in Firth & Stennes or their son DAVID SINCLAIR >> Married ELIZA PEARSON 2-Nov-1847 Kirkwall & St Olla. >> Rita Rodger in Wishaw,N.Lanarkshire > >

Excuse me while I delurk briefly, but I wanted to mention that my gggg grandfather, a John FRISKEN, married a FLETT just before emigrating to New Zealand. I'll find out the rest of the details if you like. --Tracy Hope > Wondering if anyone is researching the family of JAMES SINCLAIR married > MARGARET FLETT 2-Jan-1817 in Firth & Stennes or their son DAVID SINCLAIR > Married ELIZA PEARSON 2-Nov-1847 Kirkwall & St Olla. > Rita Rodger in Wishaw,N.Lanarkshire

Jim, Would you happen to know if those archives are accessible from the net? It sounds like they would be fertile digging ground for other info also. TIA! dan grant researching: GROAT & GRANT www.grantgg.com/~grantda -----Original Message----- From: JGCorse@aol.com <JGCorse@aol.com> To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Ship Catain James Mainland > >The Orkney Public Library Archives would probably be your best bet. >Have you see Ian Hustwick's book "The Peggy & Isabella"? It gives a good >account of that vessel (eighteenth century) and a lot of the info came from >the library. >The Altamachar Press ISBN 0 9529211 0 3 >Regards, Jim . > >

Hi List, Wondering if anyone is researching the family of JAMES SINCLAIR married MARGARET FLETT 2-Jan-1817 in Firth & Stennes or their son DAVID SINCLAIR Married ELIZA PEARSON 2-Nov-1847 Kirkwall & St Olla. T.I.A. Rita Rodger in Wishaw,N.Lanarkshire

No I haven't seen that book Is it available for sale?.. would you know if James is mentioned ? -----Original Message----- From: JGCorse@aol.com [mailto:JGCorse@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 7:28 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Ship Catain James Mainland In a message dated 10/18/99 12:56:48 PM, Mainland.Myles@ic.gc.ca writes: << My ancestor James Mainland apparently was ' Captain ' of a vessel named the Isabella. It appears he carried cargo amongst the Orkneys in the late 1800s/early 1900's, before 1904. Would there be any sources that might show him as captaining this ship or any records of the ship itself ? >> The Orkney Public Library Archives would probably be your best bet. Have you see Ian Hustwick's book "The Peggy & Isabella"? It gives a good account of that vessel (eighteenth century) and a lot of the info came from the library. The Altamachar Press ISBN 0 9529211 0 3 Regards, Jim .

This is your Frances Sinclair: FamilySearch® International Genealogical Index™ v4.01 British Isles IGI Record Frances SINCLAIR Sex: F Event(s): Christened: 4 Dec 1802 Orphir, Orkney, Scotland Parents: Father: George SINCLAIR Mother: Margaret GOUDIE Source Information: Batch number: 7131325 Sheet: 72 I can't see any sign of other siblings for Frances in the IGI Here's the parents' marriage: George SINCLAIR Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Margaret GOWDY Marriage: 17 Aug 1802 Orphir, Orkney, Scotland Source Information:Batch number: M110232 This may be George's birth: George SINCLAIR Sex: M Event(s): Christened: Sep 1782 Orphir, Orkney, Scotland Parents: Father: William SINCLAIR Mother: Jannet HOURSTON Source Information:Batch number: C110232 And this may be Margaret's: Margaret GOUDIE Sex: F Event(s):Christened: 7 Mar 1784 Orphir, Orkney, Scotland Parents: Father: Joseph GOUDIE Mother: Girzal CALDER Source Information: Batch number: C110232 If you go to this page: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/IGI/, choose British Isles for the region, and put in just the parents' full names ( on the right) and nothing else, you should get a list of all their children. Unfortunately, Frances is the only one that comes up for those parents. Pam > Looking for any information on the family of Frances Sinclair, b. Dec 4 1802 in Orphir, Orkney. Frances married a William > MacKay on Feb 7 1828 in Orphir, Orkney. they had the following children: > > Janet b. Mar 28 1828 > George b. Nov 23 1829 > James b. Feb 12 1832 > Jean b. Mar 3 1834 > Isabella b. May 3 1835 > William b. Jun 18 1837 > Margret b. Feb 23 1840 > John b. Mar 20 1842 > Betsey b. June 8 1844 > Fanny b. July 1 1846 > > Lou Kabel -- Pam Thomson in BC, Canada A Proud Rootsweb Sponsor One Name Study: Todrick (& variant spellings) mailto:pamthom@intergate.ca

In a message dated 10/18/99 12:56:48 PM, Mainland.Myles@ic.gc.ca writes: << My ancestor James Mainland apparently was ' Captain ' of a vessel named the Isabella. It appears he carried cargo amongst the Orkneys in the late 1800s/early 1900's, before 1904. Would there be any sources that might show him as captaining this ship or any records of the ship itself ? >> The Orkney Public Library Archives would probably be your best bet. Have you see Ian Hustwick's book "The Peggy & Isabella"? It gives a good account of that vessel (eighteenth century) and a lot of the info came from the library. The Altamachar Press ISBN 0 9529211 0 3 Regards, Jim .

Orkney Listers - This posting came into my LANARK list. It was from the 1881 Census CDs, I have taken only the Orkney items and posted them here. If anyone wishes the rest of the passenger list, I can provide it easily. The others were mostly Orphans from a Home in Glasgow. I have no idea of the ship's destination. - Meg Greenwood "Manitoban" At Sea or in a Domestic or Foreign Port FHL film 0224066 Page 5 Name - M/U(married/unmarried) - Age - Sex - Place of Birth John FIRTH U 30 M Kirkwall, Orkney Rel. Head Occ: Labourer John HADDLE U 39 M Holme, Orkney Rel. Head Occ: Labourer John HADDLE U 19 M Holme, Orkney Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Wm. SCOTT U 27 M Kirkwall, Orkney Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Wm. DRIVER U 23 M Kirkwall, Orkney Rel. Head Occ: Labourer Eliz. MUIR M 32 F Kirkwall, Orkney Rel. Head Occ: Housewife Jas. R. MUIR 3 M Kirkwall, Orkney Rel. Son Elizh (Infant) MUIR F Kirkwall, Orkney Rel. Dau

My ancestor James Mainland apparently was ' Captain ' of a vessel named the Isabella. It appears he carried cargo amongst the Orkneys in the late 1800s/early 1900's, before 1904. Would there be any sources that might show him as captaining this ship or any records of the ship itself ?