An uncle just sent me some old photographs of my ancestors. With one of them, he has written that a certain ancestor was a Police Sgt. in Penicuik. As far as I know, there isn't a Penicuik in the Orkneys.....it's near Edinburgh. Is there another Penicuik that I haven't yet found? I have no records as of yet, of any of my Scottish ancestors coming from Scotland proper.....so I'm a bit confused. Jackie Middleton ______________ searching Dickson, Ward, Weir, Hourston, Clouston, Norquay in the Orkney Islands

I'd like to thank David, Elizabeth, Karen and Myles for their tips on how I could locate my ancestors shipping records. So far, I haven't found much information at my end about when/where they left the Orkneys, but at least your suggestions should help me in my quest. Merry Christmas everyone! Jackie

I'm trying to resend this message - my formatting says it's plain text, so I'm not sure why it's not going through. >This site has some information about ships passenger lists to Canada, Have you tried it? > >Researching: HEDDLE, SHEARER, STICKLER in Orkney and COCKBURN, DONALD, >DEVON/DEVINE, MCLAREN, WHITESIDE in Edinburgh and Motherwell areas. > >Have a great Holiday Season, Listers! > Karen Bridgman-Acker, Burlington, Ontario Canada. > >http://www.archives.ca/exec/naweb.dll?fs&02020204&e&top&0 > >

Hello everyone just starting out and this is my first posting I would like to find out about my g,g,mother Isabella Peace she was born at Kirkwall-Orkney in 1843, My g,g,g,father's name was David. she married William Somerville at Partick,Glasgow March 1869,william was born at Kirkcubright about 1844. They had 3 children Isabella-1871....Elizabeth-1873....Mary-1878. Hope someone can give me some guidance and information on how to go ahead. Seasons Greetings and a Long happy life to all. jim

Hi Jim, Have you tried http://www.cursiter.com/Peace.txt. It will give you extensive info. on births. You can start by looking up your Orkney family. I had a quick look but could not see Izabella there. But it's a good place to keep in mind. I have a WILLIAM PEACE who was my GGGF probably born around 1838. He and my GGGM were married in Orkney. Keep William in mind. I have not as yet followed up on finding his parents so there well may be a connection. They had four children MARY, PETER, BARBARA and WILLIAM. Remember www.familysearch.com and also www.origins.net. Good Luck with your search! Catherine

Hello, cousin! I am indeed that Rena, and I remember my dad talking about his cousin Nea. I love the thought of my father being babysat. I didn't know about the reunions but add me to the list. I'll definitely come. I was just in Wisconsin visiting my mother's relatives this last October. The leaves were gorgeous! I was there about a week after peak but got some great photos anyway. I'm hoping to move within the next month, so use my email address to keep in touch. When I move, I'll send you better contact information. My uncle Carlton lives in California not far from me. I'll see what he knows about the family history. Since I've been packing to move, I don't have everything where I can get to it right now. Rena rena.leith@sun.com > Rena, > You are working from the same document that I am. It is the Leith Family > Book. I am looking for an identity for J.D. LEITH and for his ancestors. > The cousin I mentioned and I are descended from Margaret Ann Leith, the > daughter of William in the second generation. She married her second > cousin, William Leith, so the name remained the same for one more > generation. I would also like to know more about that William Leith. > > I see by my Family Book that there is a Rena Leith who is the daughter of > Donald Leith. He would be my grandmother Nea Karafotis' first cousin. She > babysat for him while attending high school at the UW in Madison. Are you > the same Rena? > > Did you know that the Leith Family still holds reunions each June in > Wisconsin? If anyone is interested, I will put your name on the mailing > list. The next reunion is Sunday, June 25, at Eldorado in Fond du Lac > County. All are welcome, bring a dish to pass. I would like to have a > larger mailing list for our 75th reunion which is coming up in a very few > years. > > Kate Yarbro > yarbro@wctc.net

G'day Jackie, The answer to your question depends very much on the reason for voyage, the destination and time of year. Commercial passenger ships would be sailing from Liverpool and Glasgow. These ports were within easy reach of Orkney owing to the fishing vessels off loading their catch in the South. (My Great Grandfather and his siblings returned to Orkney in the 1860s by fishing vessel from North Shields after the death of their mother). The time of year would determine the port of arrival as the St Lawrence freezes over in winter. So winter arrivals could be at Halifax or even Boston. The Hudsons Bay Company ships sailed from Stromness often for ports in the Canadian Arctic and for this reason early settlement in Manitoba was from North to South, not East to West. Then there would be the ships that went around Cape Horn to the west coast. I've several Orcadian cousins who's first arrival in North America was in California or Washington or British Columbia. As regards passenger lists, don't hold your breath looking for departure lists in Great Britain, they're very rare. You're far more likely to find an arrival list in Canada or the USA. Cheers David Perth, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Middleton <jackiemiddleton@home.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 5:00 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] ports for Canada-bound ships How many ports in the Orkney's would have had ships bound for trans-Atlantic trips to Canada in the early 1900's? I'd like to begin searching for the records of my ancestors but have no clue as to what ports would have been used on the Orkneys. Any ideas? Jackie

Rena, You are working from the same document that I am. It is the Leith Family Book. I am looking for an identity for J.D. LEITH and for his ancestors. The cousin I mentioned and I are descended from Margaret Ann Leith, the daughter of William in the second generation. She married her second cousin, William Leith, so the name remained the same for one more generation. I would also like to know more about that William Leith. I see by my Family Book that there is a Rena Leith who is the daughter of Donald Leith. He would be my grandmother Nea Karafotis' first cousin. She babysat for him while attending high school at the UW in Madison. Are you the same Rena? Did you know that the Leith Family still holds reunions each June in Wisconsin? If anyone is interested, I will put your name on the mailing list. The next reunion is Sunday, June 25, at Eldorado in Fond du Lac County. All are welcome, bring a dish to pass. I would like to have a larger mailing list for our 75th reunion which is coming up in a very few years. Kate Yarbro yarbro@wctc.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Rena Leith <Rena.Leith@Eng.Sun.COM> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Tea Clipper > I found my info on William Leith, son of J. D. Leith. After he left the Orkneys, > he was a tailor in Canada at $8/month and then joined the Gold Rush in > California. He made his stake, sailed to Panama, crossed the Isthmus on foot, > sailed to the Orkneys where he married Margaret on March 17, 1853. They settled > in Eldorado township near Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, where he speculated in land > and died on July 7, 1869. They had two children: William and Margaret Ann. > William the son never married and died young. I'm descended from Margaret Ann > Leith, my great grandmother, who married a second cousin also named William. > Notice a naming pattern here? > > I have some more information. Who was your cousin descended from in the third > generation if William the tailor is the first generation? Obviously, we're > cousins. > > Rena > > > > > > A cousin passed away before explaining to anyone what all her genealogy notes > meant. Her daughter and I have been able to decipher many of them, and I'm > trying to follow up on some of them. One note mentions the TEA CLIPPER, 'MARY > NELSON" with the date 18 Nov 1872. At first I suspected this might be one the > ships that WILLIAM LEITH (b. Sept. 15,1822) worked on. However he died in 1869 > (if my records are correct) Does anyone have more on this ship? > > > > He sailed back to Orkney in 1853 and married MARGARET ANN CLOUSON. William is > the son of J.D. LEITH. That is all we know about their ancestry right now. Is > anyone is looking into Leiths or Cloustons?. > > > > Kate > > yarbro@wctc.net > > >

Hello Jackie, My family of Gunns were from Orkney amd went to work for the Hudsons Bay Co. in Canada. One left Stromness on the "Prince of Wales" in 1806 and Adam Gunn left in 1835 from the same port and on the same ship, however he travelled to Fort Vancouver in Washington State. The library has a book on immigration from Scotland and one day I happened to read it and found a George Gunn had left the Orkneys in 1795 to work for HBC - a lot earlier than I had originally thought. Hope this is of some help, Sincerely, Elizabeth Jackie Middleton wrote: > > A lot of people from the Orkneys embarked from Glasgow. > > Do you know where/when they landed ? A lot of public libraries in Canada > > have information on microfiche on imigrants that landed by ship but it's > > categorised by port of entry rather than from where they left from. > > thank you for the tip. > I thought that the best way would be to work from Scotland. I'll see if I > can find > something re: where they landed over here. > > Thanks again. > > Jackie

My name is Richard Traill, with ancestors from Rousay. I would be very happy to get any information on Traill's. I live in Phoenix, Arizona, USA -----Original Message----- From: Mainland, Myles: #PNWT - PTNO [mailto:Mainland.Myles@ic.gc.ca] Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 8:11 AM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY] Robert Leslie of Hillside Shapinsay I am transcribing a newspaper article written by Robert Leslie, it appears to written about 1991. There are some interesting facts about Clifton, Westray,Mainlands (mine) Mr Traill Tom Fergus and some others. My question is, does anyone have any information on Mr. Leslie ? I am very happy with his stories and would like to know a bit about him . I would also like to know where my clipping came from, all there is is part of another article that has 1991 in it. I scanned the rather bad copy I had and am converting it to a text file, if any one is interested.

I found my info on William Leith, son of J. D. Leith. After he left the Orkneys, he was a tailor in Canada at $8/month and then joined the Gold Rush in California. He made his stake, sailed to Panama, crossed the Isthmus on foot, sailed to the Orkneys where he married Margaret on March 17, 1853. They settled in Eldorado township near Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, where he speculated in land and died on July 7, 1869. They had two children: William and Margaret Ann. William the son never married and died young. I'm descended from Margaret Ann Leith, my great grandmother, who married a second cousin also named William. Notice a naming pattern here? I have some more information. Who was your cousin descended from in the third generation if William the tailor is the first generation? Obviously, we're cousins. Rena > > A cousin passed away before explaining to anyone what all her genealogy notes meant. Her daughter and I have been able to decipher many of them, and I'm trying to follow up on some of them. One note mentions the TEA CLIPPER, 'MARY NELSON" with the date 18 Nov 1872. At first I suspected this might be one the ships that WILLIAM LEITH (b. Sept. 15,1822) worked on. However he died in 1869 (if my records are correct) Does anyone have more on this ship? > > He sailed back to Orkney in 1853 and married MARGARET ANN CLOUSON. William is the son of J.D. LEITH. That is all we know about their ancestry right now. Is anyone is looking into Leiths or Cloustons?. > > Kate > yarbro@wctc.net >

> A lot of people from the Orkneys embarked from Glasgow. > Do you know where/when they landed ? A lot of public libraries in Canada > have information on microfiche on imigrants that landed by ship but it's > categorised by port of entry rather than from where they left from. thank you for the tip. I thought that the best way would be to work from Scotland. I'll see if I can find something re: where they landed over here. Thanks again. Jackie

A lot of people from the Orkneys embarked from Glasgow. Do you know where/when they landed ? A lot of public libraries in Canada have information on microfiche on imigrants that landed by ship but it's categorised by port of entry rather than from where they left from. -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Middleton [mailto:jackiemiddleton@home.com] Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 2:01 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORKNEY] ports for Canada-bound ships Season's Greetings to everyone! How many ports in the Orkney's would have had ships bound for trans-Atlantic trips to Canada in the early 1900's? I'd like to begin searching for the records of my ancestors but have no clue as to what ports would have been used on the Orkneys. Any ideas? Jackie

Season's Greetings to everyone! How many ports in the Orkney's would have had ships bound for trans-Atlantic trips to Canada in the early 1900's? I'd like to begin searching for the records of my ancestors but have no clue as to what ports would have been used on the Orkneys. Any ideas? Jackie

I am transcribing a newspaper article written by Robert Leslie, it appears to written about 1991. There are some interesting facts about Clifton, Westray,Mainlands (mine) Mr Traill Tom Fergus and some others. My question is, does anyone have any information on Mr. Leslie ? I am very happy with his stories and would like to know a bit about him . I would also like to know where my clipping came from, all there is is part of another article that has 1991 in it. I scanned the rather bad copy I had and am converting it to a text file, if any one is interested.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year May all your Wishes come true (and all those brick walls from our Family Tree come tumbling down) The Cahill's Bob & Linda Shannon & Dylan Robbie, Jesse & Stacey Rich and our dog Bodie

Kate Newfoundland is part of Canada and uses Canadian currency. Janine -----Original Message----- From: Yarbro Family [SMTP:yarbro@wctc.net] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 5:19 PM To: ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Tea Clipper David, Thank you very much for the information about researching the tea clipper. However, after composing a letter to the archive, I realized that I don't know how to pay them if they request a fee for looking up information. What is the currency of Newfoundland? Canadian? If I send them an SASE, what postage will I use for return mail? Are the records availabel electronically? Do they have e-mail? (I didn't think they did.) Thanks again, Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Tea Clipper > The crew agreements should be at the Maritime History Archive, Memorial > University, St John's, Newfoundland. > > Cheers > David, > Perth, Western Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Yarbro Family <yarbro@wctc.net> > To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 1999 10:33 PM > Subject: [ORKNEY] Tea Clipper > > > > A cousin passed away before explaining to anyone what all her genealogy > notes meant. Her daughter and I have been able to decipher many of them, > and I'm trying to follow up on some of them. One note mentions the TEA > CLIPPER, 'MARY NELSON" with the date 18 Nov 1872. At first I suspected this > might be one the ships that WILLIAM LEITH (b. Sept. 15,1822) worked on. > However he died in 1869 (if my records are correct) Does anyone have more > on this ship? > > > > He sailed back to Orkney in 1853 and married MARGARET ANN CLOUSON. > William is the son of J.D. LEITH. That is all we know about their ancestry > right now. Is anyone is looking into Leiths or Cloustons?. > > > > Kate > > yarbro@wctc.net > > > > >

G'day Kate, The province of Newfoundland and Labrador joined the Canadian Confederation in 1948, so the currency is the Canadian dollar. To send return postage, you need to go to your local Post Office and ask for some "International Reply Coupons". One coupon can be converted to provide the return postage for a standard size letter by surface mail, so the custom is to send two or three. (If you receive any IRCs, don't cash them, but save them until you need to send return postage yourself). I'm sure the Maritime Archives will have a web address by now, but the records probably haven't been scanned. They're one of the leading institutes dealing with maritime history, particularly for the North Atlantic. I used them about 10 years ago to track my German Great-Grandfather from Tyneside back to Hamburg over 5 years of voyages. The agreements have the Harbourmaster or British Consul's stamp for the various ports of call on the voyages. They are sorted by ship's name and year of voyage. Cheers David ----- Original Message ----- From: Yarbro Family <yarbro@wctc.net> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Tea Clipper > David, > Thank you very much for the information about researching the tea clipper. > However, after composing a letter to the archive, I realized that I don't > know how to pay them if they request a fee for looking up information. What > is the currency of Newfoundland? Canadian? If I send them an SASE, what > postage will I use for return mail? Are the records availabel > electronically? Do they have e-mail? (I didn't think they did.) > Thanks again, > Kate

G'day Alan, the Parish Registers (pre-1854) for Orkney are available on microfilm through your local Mormon library. The Civil Registers for 1855 to 1875, plus 1881 & 1891 are also available on microfilm. For more recent material, try the Scottish Registrar General at http://www.open.gov.uk/gros/groshome.htm Cheers David, Perth, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Hepburn <ahepbur1@npiec.on.ca> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 6:25 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] Family Search > Hi listers: I have been watching and waiting for some one to mention Hepburn. My gggrandfather Peter Hepburn was born in Kirkwall 9th Jan, 1814. He joined the 93rd Highlanders when he was 16. He was sent to the West Indies 2 years later and he came to Toronto Ont. Canada in 1938 where he bought his discharge. I have reason to beleive that his parents were John Hepburn and Elizabeth Caithness married 23 March 1799. John's parents may have been James Hepburn and Anne Flett married 16 Dec. 1766.. I am trying to trace any relatives he may have had in Scotland. Any suggestions would be gratefully received.If anyone has any ideas , I am open to suggestions. Where can I get certificates for birth, marriage and death , in Kirkwall?? > A Happy Holiday to All form Alan in wet and snowy Ontario Canada > > >

Hi, thanks for the response. Will check all the names and get back to you off-list. Catriona ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Blake Allan <rballan@home.com> To: <ORKNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Member Interests 9912 > Groat - I have Barbara Groat, in Sandwick, South Ronaldsay married James > Sinclair 9 Jan 1815 at South Ronaldsay. Also (same generation) George > Groat married Isabel Sinclair. > Also I have John Baikie who married Mary Banks who was born abt 1785, and > other Baikies (later) in the US. > Also I have Magnus Louttit born abt 1777 in Orkney, who married 5 Jan 1808 > in South Ronaldsay, Elizabeth Allan b. 1784 in South Ronaldsay and they > produced Jane Louttit b. 1811, Mary Louttit b. 1813, John Louttit > b. 1818, Samuel Louttit (who married Jane Struthers) b. 1820, Elizabeth > Louttit b. 1824, and William Louttit b. 1827 - all born in Orkney. > Any connection? Blake Allan, Victoria BC > > > >