If you go to www.scapaflow.co.uk you should find a lot of information there which might help. Suzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth Abbott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:26 AM Subject: [Orkney] George Herbert Abbott - WWII I'm writing from British Columbia, Canada, and wonder if anyone could give me a bit of background information about Scapa Flow during World War II. My 1st cousin (once removed) was George Herbert Abbott, from Glasgow, who served in the War. From the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website, I have discovered that he was a Petty Officer Airman with the Royal Navy, Unit Text was H.M.S. Tern. He is buried in Kirkwall (St. Olaf's) Cemetery having died May 1, 1944 at the age of 20. My question is: can anyone give me some background about the war action in Orkney for that time frame. I seem to recall my mother telling me that George was shot down over Scapa Flow, and yet the record shows he was with the Royal Navy. Would they have flown aircraft from aboard ships? I am puzzled about his rank as a Petty Officer Airman in the Navy. And does anyone know anything about the H.M.S. Tern? Also I'm not familiar with the term "Unit Text" - could anyone clarify? Anything that might help put further light on his action and death during the War would be so helpful. Thank you, Elizabeth ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>TIP: To search the archives of this list go to http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ORKNEY on the next page enter your search word(s) and select the year click the submit query button<<<< ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I'm writing from British Columbia, Canada, and wonder if anyone could give me a bit of background information about Scapa Flow during World War II. My 1st cousin (once removed) was George Herbert Abbott, from Glasgow, who served in the War. From the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website, I have discovered that he was a Petty Officer Airman with the Royal Navy, Unit Text was H.M.S. Tern. He is buried in Kirkwall (St. Olaf's) Cemetery having died May 1, 1944 at the age of 20. My question is: can anyone give me some background about the war action in Orkney for that time frame. I seem to recall my mother telling me that George was shot down over Scapa Flow, and yet the record shows he was with the Royal Navy. Would they have flown aircraft from aboard ships? I am puzzled about his rank as a Petty Officer Airman in the Navy. And does anyone know anything about the H.M.S. Tern? Also I'm not familiar with the term "Unit Text" - could anyone clarify? Anything that might help put further light on his action and death during the War would be so helpful. Thank you, Elizabeth

I'm having a devil of a time finding information about John Scott and Jean/Jain Muir. I have found them on the IGI with with several children. I have gathered death registrations for many of the children substantiating that their parents indeed were the above. One in particular has me puzzled. It's for a daughter, Barbara Scott, b. 1826 on Sanday. I have found her death registration at ScotlandsPeople....She was living at Albert Street in Kirkwall at the time of her death in 1891 - she was 65 when she died, so the dates work out. She is registered at Barbara Scott, single - but the informant is John Muir, son. Do you think she was widowed and reverted to her birth name - maybe an illegitimate child? Meridith Scott Keyes Researching Cameron, Taylor, Geddes, McCook in Moray and Inverness Researching Scott, Sinclair, Slater, Muir, Cooper in the Orkney Islands

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Maybe this is of some help to someone. cheers Thompson (looking for a THOMSON/POTTINGER connection in Nova Scotia) Eastern Chronicle, New Glasgow, N.S, Tuesday, 12 October 1937: CELEBRATES HIS 94TH BIRTHDAY D. Pottinger, Veteran of Railroading Enjoys Good Health- A Native Son of Pictou David Pottinger, a native son of the town of Pictou, who was a railroad man before the provinces of New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Quebec and Ontario formed the Confederation that became the Dominion of Canada last Friday celebrated his ninety-fourth birthday. He spent the occasion at his home in Montreal. There were many to offer congratulations upon the occasion of the revered gentleman's birthday anniversary. Each summer Mr. Pottinger spends at his home in Shediac Cape. He began his railway service with the Nova Scotia railway that ran between Truro and Halifax and a spur that went to Windsor, Later he joined the Intercolonial and moved to this Moncton as storekeeper. In 1897 he became general superintendent and in 1892 general manager. He retired in 1912 after half a century of continuous service with the railways. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005

to David Armstrong. I am of the Stewart line, Midshipman George Stewart of the HMS Bounty, who died when the HMS Pandora went down off the Queensland, Australia in 1791. His only child, Margaret (Pegue) Stewart (baptised as Maria Antonia de la Asencion Stewart in 1815, Spanish California) married into one of the Spanish families of Santa Barbara in 1817. I can provide his lines back to William the Conqueror of Normandy in the 1100s. According to records, I have 26 US Presidents as cousins, as well as many generals. To include, George Smith Patton III, and others, plus Linda Ronstadt the singer and actress, Leo Carrillo actor, and others. bob Bob Smith of Wilmington, Los Angeles, California

"Bigging" is the scots word for building, less frequently from the Old Norse bygging. Variants include Biggings, Overbigging, Midbigging, NetherBigging, Nistabin (lowermost building), Estabin and East Bigging. These latter variants arose when udal lands were divided. Examples occur all over Orkney. Generally farms with these names do not date back to norse times; I am aware on one in Sandwick which I can date to the 18th century. So Bigging type names within a township relate to one another, e.g. East Bigging and West Bigging imply a farm that has been split, and New Bigging a newer building, but there is no connection between biggings of different townships. In Stenness, Nether Bigging is at grid ref 300119, on the edge of the Loch of Stenness 200m NW of the Standing Stones Hotel. Hugh Marwick in his classic Orkney Farm-Names (1952) says this is the old head house of Clouston township. My 1:25,000 map shows an Overbigging at 317132, 300m north of Maeshowe, and a Biggings at 293105, a mile north of the Mill of Ireland, but I don't have the 1:25,000 map south of Grid northing 100. Marwick does not list your Bigging or New Bigging in Stenness. An 1813 map shows a Newbigging in Orphir, in Swanbister township, about 351054. Try www.old-maps.co.uk It is a bit tedious scolling around, but you may find more. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: < Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:24 PM Subject: Stennes question > Have been doing some Stennes research and find confusing placenames. In > Orphir, my direct ancestor, William HALCRO of Newbigging and Yarpha was > born 1822. The OPR listings for Stennes that I've been working on find > a Bigging, a Newbigging, a Netherbigging. > > Would there have been a Newbigging in Orphir as well as Stennes ? In > trying to work backwards, it would help me to understand how these names > relate - of if they do. MegG > > ______________________________

Thanks so much Lisa. Of course, it makes perfect sense. Oh well, back to the drawing board. Hope Hobnob continues to improve. Cheers Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Conrad" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Orkney] Robert Leask marr Jane Cumming > Hi Joy - > > On the "Lisa's Additional Research Notes" section of the 1821 Census site, > when I have put the words > "later marr.so-and-so" > for a person's entry, it just means that that pair married at some point > *subsequent to the 1821 Census* (you may note that most times when this is > put, the person in the 1821 Census is often of child's age... so it makes > sense). > > There will be the fortuitous instances when I *do* have the exact Parish > or > Statutory marriage data for the said pair, but if the "later > marr.so-and-so" > is found between my "<< ... >>" editorial markings, then that means that I > do not have the exact official data of the particular marriage at this > time, > but that I believe they did marry. > > But anything in between my editorial markings is prime material for future > updates! as I have access to the Old Parish Registers and my intent --when > I > have time, right now I have unfortunately had my dear cat Hobnob in ICU at > the vet hospital all week and have only just got her home-- is that I want > to update and put in all the parish and statutory data that I have > missed.... > > - Hope that helps, Joy-- > > > Lisa Conrad -- > SouthRonaldsay.net > < http://www.southronaldsay.net/ > > > > > {> on 5/15/05 12:31 AM <} Joy Moloney wrote -- > > I had thought that they were James > Cumming & Jean Thomson Sandwick SRon. > However, on Lisa's excellent site it states that Jean/Jane 8 yrs in 1821 > census LATER marr John Thomson. > Does LATER denote a 2nd marr? > Does it mean marr in late life? > Does it just mean 'at some stage' as a date is not given for the marriage? > > Cheers > Joy Aust > > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== > This is not a commercial or "FWD the latest political or humour" list, > anyone considering posting any item that might be construed as being > commercial/political otherwise known as being "OFF TOPIC" can and will be > advised once - IF there is a second post of the same nature the subscriber > will be unsubscribed IMMEDIATELY. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

Thanks Maryann. I had seen that - the problem is that I'm not sure it is the correct Jane/Jean Cumming. My Jane /Jean marr Robert Leask. Unless she marr John Thomson LATER. Cheers Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Rosie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [Orkney] Robert Leask marr Jane Cumming > Also on Lisa's site is her death listing > > 1893- PG.3 #9 --Jane (CUMMING) Thomson--['Quindrie'/age 80] -- > Married to John THOMSON -- > parents: James CUMMING/Jane THOMSON -- > Informant: Robert THOMSON, Stepson. > > Maryann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy Moloney" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 1:31 AM > Subject: [Orkney] Robert Leask marr Jane Cumming > > >> Hi >> Jane Cumming born abt 1814 married Robert Leask 24 Mar 1835 in Kirkwall. >> Their children were:- >> Margaret Taylor Leask c 21 Feb 1836 >> Jane Cumming Leask c 11 Jun 1837 >> Joseph Leask c 18 Aug 1839 >> Elizabeth Leask 19 Sep 1841 >> William Seatter Leask c 16 Jul 1843 >> I am trying to identify Jane's parents - I had thought that they were >> James Cumming & Jean Thomson Sandwick SRon. >> However, on Lisa's excellent site it states that Jean/Jane 8 yrs in 1821 >> census LATER marr John Thomson. >> Does LATER denote a 2nd marr? >> Does it mean marr in late life? >> Does it just mean 'at some stage' as a date is not given for the >> marriage? >> >> Cheers >> Joy Aust >> >> >> ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>>>TIP: When replying to a message, please change the subject line of >>>>>>the message if you've changed the subject - this will improve our list >>>>>>archive and assist future researchers.<<<< >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>> Orkney list now has 329 subscribers <<<<< > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hope this helps someone. It's extracted from the Transcripts of India Church Registers in London. 1900 Vol: 286 Folio: 283 LDS:0527494 St Andrew’s, Calcutta 12th December 1900 By Banns John Henry Bews, 33, Bachelor, Marine Engineer of Calcutta, son of John Bews Lilian Geralda Cockman, 31, Widow of Calcutta, dau. of William Henry Jary Signed: Jno H. Bews, L. Cockman, Witnesses: I.M. Jary, S. Munro, M. Jary, E.A. Lindeman. Minister: T. Scott, Senior Chaplain, St Andrew’s. Cheers David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia Researching Stewart, Baikie, Heddle, Malcomson, Stout, Gray, Cromarty, Oman, Anderson, Sutherland

Hi Jane Cumming born abt 1814 married Robert Leask 24 Mar 1835 in Kirkwall. Their children were:- Margaret Taylor Leask c 21 Feb 1836 Jane Cumming Leask c 11 Jun 1837 Joseph Leask c 18 Aug 1839 Elizabeth Leask 19 Sep 1841 William Seatter Leask c 16 Jul 1843 I am trying to identify Jane's parents - I had thought that they were James Cumming & Jean Thomson Sandwick SRon. However, on Lisa's excellent site it states that Jean/Jane 8 yrs in 1821 census LATER marr John Thomson. Does LATER denote a 2nd marr? Does it mean marr in late life? Does it just mean 'at some stage' as a date is not given for the marriage? Cheers Joy Aust

Hello, it's been quite some time since I've posted, but I'm hoping that there might be some folks searching for the WARD family of Walls, Orkney. I'm looking for info on the children of John Ward & Joanna (Weir) Ward. The last look that I have is the 1901 census and I'd love to know what became of their kids especially Anne Wilson Ward (b. 1877) and William Sinclair Ward (b. 1891). As a personal note, I'm also looking for a fellow genealogist and a distant relation of mine, Lorraine Campbell. Her email address no longer works so I'm hoping that she might read this & get in touch. Thanks! Jackie Toronto, Canada ~researching DICKSON, WARD, WEIR, HOURSTON, CLOUSTON, TAYLOR of Orkney, Scotland~

Hi Joy - On the "Lisa's Additional Research Notes" section of the 1821 Census site, when I have put the words "later marr.so-and-so" for a person's entry, it just means that that pair married at some point *subsequent to the 1821 Census* (you may note that most times when this is put, the person in the 1821 Census is often of child's age... so it makes sense). There will be the fortuitous instances when I *do* have the exact Parish or Statutory marriage data for the said pair, but if the "later marr.so-and-so" is found between my "<< ... >>" editorial markings, then that means that I do not have the exact official data of the particular marriage at this time, but that I believe they did marry. But anything in between my editorial markings is prime material for future updates! as I have access to the Old Parish Registers and my intent --when I have time, right now I have unfortunately had my dear cat Hobnob in ICU at the vet hospital all week and have only just got her home-- is that I want to update and put in all the parish and statutory data that I have missed.... - Hope that helps, Joy-- Lisa Conrad -- SouthRonaldsay.net < http://www.southronaldsay.net/ > {> on 5/15/05 12:31 AM <} Joy Moloney wrote -- I had thought that they were James Cumming & Jean Thomson Sandwick SRon. However, on Lisa's excellent site it states that Jean/Jane 8 yrs in 1821 census LATER marr John Thomson. Does LATER denote a 2nd marr? Does it mean marr in late life? Does it just mean 'at some stage' as a date is not given for the marriage? Cheers Joy Aust

Also on Lisa's site is her death listing 1893- PG.3 #9 --Jane (CUMMING) Thomson--['Quindrie'/age 80] -- Married to John THOMSON -- parents: James CUMMING/Jane THOMSON -- Informant: Robert THOMSON, Stepson. Maryann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Moloney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 1:31 AM Subject: [Orkney] Robert Leask marr Jane Cumming > Hi > Jane Cumming born abt 1814 married Robert Leask 24 Mar 1835 in Kirkwall. > Their children were:- > Margaret Taylor Leask c 21 Feb 1836 > Jane Cumming Leask c 11 Jun 1837 > Joseph Leask c 18 Aug 1839 > Elizabeth Leask 19 Sep 1841 > William Seatter Leask c 16 Jul 1843 > I am trying to identify Jane's parents - I had thought that they were > James Cumming & Jean Thomson Sandwick SRon. > However, on Lisa's excellent site it states that Jean/Jane 8 yrs in 1821 > census LATER marr John Thomson. > Does LATER denote a 2nd marr? > Does it mean marr in late life? > Does it just mean 'at some stage' as a date is not given for the marriage? > > Cheers > Joy Aust > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>>TIP: When replying to a message, please change the subject line of the >>>>>message if you've changed the subject - this will improve our list >>>>>archive and assist future researchers.<<<< > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Hudson bay -Undelivered letters > Hi all, > Many of you will probably already know about this but I came across this > site when doing a search recently and thought it worth sharing for those of > us who didn't know of its existence. > It consists of undelivered mail sent to Orkney people working for the Hudson > Bay company, and is a fascinating snapshot of everyday Orkney life, there > are births, deaths and marriages mentioned amongst other things. > > The introduction is here > http://www.ubcpress.ca/books/pdf/chapters/undeliveredletters/intro.pdf > > and the letters are here > http://www.ubcpress.ca/books/pdf/chapters/undeliveredletters/07posts.pdf > > > I am sure someone will find a family member mentioned. > > Jill > Dunedin, NZ > > >

The following is a list of Orkney born men at the Red River Settlement & area, Manitoba, Canada from the 1827, 1828, 1829, 1830, 1831, 1832, 1833, 1835, 1838, 1840, and 1843 census of the HBC. eg #000, John Doe, age 33, Orkney, Protestant ,1 married man, 1 married woman, 1 daughter (-15),3 Total Inhabitants, 1 barn, 2 oxen, 1 cow, 1 calves, 1 pig, 1 plough, 2 harrows, 1 cart, 1 canoe, 1 acre (1835 HBC ref #) Page 1 Sources Ref # 1835, Includes Grantown & Swampy Indian Settlement Originals on film at HBC Archives, Manitoba or transcriptions available in the book Red River Settlement Census by Gail Morin, Quintin Publ., USA Note: There are Metis & Indians listed with Orkney surnames in the index also. Birth dates are rough estimates from ages given. David Arcus b ca 1798 George Arcus b ca 1797 Magnus Birston b ca 1770 Peter Brown b ca 1806 Henry Brown b ca 1802 Robert Clouston b ca 1793 Peter Corrigal b ca 1778 David Esson b ca 1800 Thomas Firth b ca 1799 George Flett b ca 1774 John Flett b ca 1779 James Folster b ca 1774 John Folster b ca 1783 John Forbister b ca 1792 James Goddy b ca 1770 Wm. Garrioch b ca 1787 Hugh Gibson b ca 1777 Hugh Gibson b ca 1790 Wm. Gibson b ca 1782 Thomas Halcro b ca 1782 John Harper b ca 1813 John Hays no est. Peter Henderson b ca 1797 John Hourie b ca 1779 James Inkster b ca 1774 James Inkster b ca 1805 George Johnstone b ca 1797 Alexander Kennedy b ca 1781 Andrew Linklater b ca 1794 Donald McDonald b ca 1787 James Morwick b ca 1781 John Morwick b ca 1787 Adam Mowat b ca 1777 James Oman b ca 1798 John Park b ca 1770 George Robertson b ca 1767 John Scarth b ca 1803 Andrew Setter b ca 1776 George Setter b ca 1788 James Short b ca 1767 Wm. Sinclair b ca 1786 Wm. Sinclair b ca 1789 James Slater Senr. b ca 1777 John Slater b ca 1797 James Spence b ca 1777 James Tait no est Wm. Tait b ca 1805 Wm. Tayor ca 1788 Andrew Thompson b ca 1796 Alexander Work b ca 1787 Susanne

Apparently some 70% of those in the Australian Army in the First World War were born overseas. The following website allows you to search for your "Digger" cousins and obtain details of their service. http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/search Regards David Armstrong, Maylands, Western Australia

I note we are researching some families of the same names. Stewart, Baikie, Gray, Cromarty. My Allans came to Canada from St Margarets Hope in 1842 with 4 little children, six more born later in Canada. Many Stewart connections in Scotland. Blake Allan , Victoria BC >

Have been doing some Stennes research and find confusing placenames. In Orphir, my direct ancestor, William HALCRO of Newbigging and Yarpha was born 1822. The OPR listings for Stennes that I've been working on find a Bigging, a Newbigging, a Netherbigging. Would there have been a Newbigging in Orphir as well as Stennes ? In trying to work backwards, it would help me to understand how these names relate - of if they do. MegG

Have photocopied a page of Marriages from the Stennes OPRs : 1840 - William BEWS and Margaret JOHNSTON was Contracted in order of Marriage and after due and regular Proclamations of Marriage Banns They were Married 19th March. John LEASK and Margaret GARRIOCH was Contracted in Order of Marriage and ofter due and regular Proclamations of Marriage Banns They were Married 7th July [mine] James WILSON and Margaret ISBISTER was contracted in Order of Marriage and after due and regular Proclamations of Marriage Banns They were Married Dec 31st. Magnus WILSON and Jesse LINKLATER was Contracted in Order of Marriage and after due and regular Proclamations of Marriage Banns They were Married Dec 3tst. MegG in OK, USA