South Ronaldsay Researchers- Hope it is okay to let any interested listers know that last night I added a new section to my research web site for South Ronaldsay: < http://www.southronaldsay.net/1821/notes/sr~photolist_contributors.html > It is dedicated to all the people who are unable, for one reason or another, to visit South Ronaldsay/Burray in particular... photos can really help bring the island "home" to the South Ronaldsay descendants who cannot travel for financial or health reasons... any of you who may want to share pictures could contact me. Be sure to read the guidelines on how and what to Contribute, though! < http://www.southronaldsay.net/1821/notes/photoguidelines_n.html > Thank you! Lisa SouthRonaldsay.net < http://www.southronaldsay.net/ >

Would SKS who has access to the OPR for South Ronaldsay & Burray please check the entry for Peter ANDERSON b.15 Jan 1835 Burray. My fiche reader is old and I'm having trouble deciphering the full entry[with glasses on and magnifying glass] His parents are Thomas ANDERSON & Elspet PETER[S]. Does it give Thomas' parents? & did Peter die, if so when? Thanks Joy Aust

A 1763 Sandwick OPR I am reviewing refers to the parents' home as "Coustan" which I can't locate on current OS maps. Can any lister advise where in Sandwick this location is, was, or might have been? I doubt it is a reference to Corston in Harray. Thanks! Bruce Young West Vancouver, BC [email protected]

Please CC [email protected] as Robert Slater is not a subscriber to this list, as yet :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert SLATER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 3:20 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Scottish Church Baptismal Procedures in the early 1800s > I am puzzled by a full page entry in an Orkney old parish register, listing > the birth and baptism dates for seven members of one family, over the period > 1815 to 1828. > > The notation at the end is "All these being Omitted at the proper Time by > Neglect of the Parents." > > > > I have found other instances, in at least Cornwall Nottinghamshire and > Australia, where there were several members of a family baptised together, > but this is not the case here. As both birth and baptismal dates are given > for each child individually, it appears that all were baptised well within > two weeks of birth. What then can the parents have neglected to do? Did > they have to complete some form of registration, or perhaps pay a fee to > have the baptism recorded? But if so, it seems odd that the same thing > happened for all seven children? > > > > Can anyone throw any light on this for me, please? It is probably not > important, but is intriguing. > > > > Robert Slater > > South Australia > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 08/06/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.7 - Release Date: 10/06/2005

Hi - just had to add my 2 cents worth - my favourite is the 'Orkney Fudge Cheesecake' in the Royal Hotel - Stromness.

Thanks Dave, Fiona & Suzie. Everything is now clear. Joy Aust

Listers--> FYI.... Possible Orkney connections? I saw these folks [listed below] from the search page for the NSW, Australia, 1841 Census Index (note: this is just an on-line index, not the full census). Also note that the number to the right of the person's name is NOT the person's age, but apparently is a census return number or somesuch... ======================================= New South Wales, Australia, 1841 Census INDEX http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/1841census/search.htm Surname- Firstname- ReturnNumber- Residence- [ItemID]-PageNo-ReelNo ______________________________________________ Budge- John- 32- Wollombi, County Northumberland- [X951]-113-2223 Mowatt- William- 0- Township Melbourne, County Bourke, District Port Phillip- [X949]-141-2222 Woolridge- John- 36- Wollombi, County Northumberland- [X951]-113-2223 Cromarty- Cecelia- 111- Southern, District Dungog- [X946]-131-2222 Laughton- John- 46- Sentry Box Creek, District Brisbane Water- [X946]-85-2222

The numbers assigned to the houses in the Orkney FHS census transcripts are used purely for indexing purposes. They certainly can't be used to 'match' properties between two different census years. The references consist of two parts: an enumeration district number and a household number. The enumeration district numbers are not necessarily the same as in the original returns. For example, the original 1851 returns for South Ronaldsay & Burray were divided into three parts: St Mary's Parish (5 enumeration districts), St Peter's (7) and Burray (2). In the index, these have been combined to produce enumeration dictricts 1-14. The household numbers are, as far as I'm aware, the original household schedule numbers, but I'm not sure that these can be assumed to be 100% accurate. The schedule numbers were generated by the enumerators as part of the process of taking the census returns and would be based on the order in which they went around the islands giving out the forms. They may have taken a similar route each year and they may have started and finished at the same places but it is highly unilkely that the route would have been identical each time and as new properties were built and old ones abandoned the numbering would be clearly be affected. Dave Annal Watford, England http://homepage.ntlworld.com/dave.annal/ Genuki Orkney webpages maintainer http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/OKI/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fiona" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Orkney] Census 1861 & 1871 SR&Burray >> I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear as to the exact nature of my query. >> I'm trying to find out how the numbering of the residences was carried >> out >> in the 1861 & 1871 Burray census. Was 11/ 34 Burray the same place in >> 1861 > & >> 1871 census. > > My answer obviously wasn't very clear either. I don't have a definitive > answer but I'd be very surprised if the numbering remained the same. After > all, there would surely be new houses built and they'd surely be numbered > so > all the houses in one area had consecutive numbers? > > Also as the enumeration districts don't always have the same numbers from > census to census I would be very surprised if the houses did. > > Fiona > Orkney > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 03/06/05 > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>>TIP: To search the archives of this list go to >>>>>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ORKNEY on >>>>>the next page enter your search word(s) and select the year click the >>>>>submit query button<<<< > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Greetings everyone I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear as to the exact nature of my query. I'm trying to find out how the numbering of the residences was carried out in the 1861 & 1871 Burray census. Was 11/ 34 Burray the same place in 1861 & 1871 census. Cheers Joy From: "Fiona" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Orkney] Census 1861 & 1871 SR&Burray > Joy wrote: > > > In the 1871 census for SR&Burray Mary Anderson & children & G/children > were > > at 11/34: Ottershole Burray. In the 1861 census 11/34 is Swones Burray. Is > > this the same place & perhaps renamed? > > I would be surprised if it was the same place. In 1861 Mary Anderson & > children & grandchildren were at 11/43 Hillhouse. > > Fiona > Orkney > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 03/06/05 > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== > This is not a commercial or "FWD the latest political or humour" list, anyone considering posting any item that might be construed as being commercial/political otherwise known as being "OFF TOPIC" can and will be advised once - IF there is a second post of the same nature the subscriber will be unsubscribed IMMEDIATELY. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

> I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear as to the exact nature of my query. > I'm trying to find out how the numbering of the residences was carried out > in the 1861 & 1871 Burray census. Was 11/ 34 Burray the same place in 1861 & > 1871 census. My answer obviously wasn't very clear either. I don't have a definitive answer but I'd be very surprised if the numbering remained the same. After all, there would surely be new houses built and they'd surely be numbered so all the houses in one area had consecutive numbers? Also as the enumeration districts don't always have the same numbers from census to census I would be very surprised if the houses did. Fiona Orkney -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 03/06/05

Joy wrote: > In the 1871 census for SR&Burray Mary Anderson & children & G/children were > at 11/34: Ottershole Burray. In the 1861 census 11/34 is Swones Burray. Is > this the same place & perhaps renamed? I would be surprised if it was the same place. In 1861 Mary Anderson & children & grandchildren were at 11/43 Hillhouse. Fiona Orkney -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.1 - Release Date: 03/06/05

Greetings everyone In the 1871 census for SR&Burray Mary Anderson & children & G/children were at 11/34: Ottershole Burray. In the 1861 census 11/34 is Swones Burray. Is this the same place & perhaps renamed? Cheers Joy

There is a one year discrepancy between James's birth dates. 1837 seems to work with the census information and the IGI christening...? Mike -----Original Message----- From: Blake [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 June 2005 16:21 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Orkney] Re: Captain James Banks Thank you Joy. This is the way I have them -2 days difference. I think I got my dates from the Dash family in Australia. Blake Allan, VCictoria BC 1 James BANKS 1837 - 1905 b: 16 May 1837 Smiddybanks, South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Occupation: Sea Captain d: 25 Nov 1905 Lewisham, New South Wales . +Louisa Rose BRANDON 1849 - 1934 b: 16 Jan 1849 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England m: 13 Aug 1867 Sydney, New South Wales d: 21 Sep 1934 Vaucluse, New South Wales ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Moloney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: [Orkney] Re: Captain James Banks > This may be of interest to someone reseaching the name Banks in Orkney. > In the Waverley Cemetery in Sydney NSW is the grave of Captain James > Banks. Insciption reads:- > > In Loving ......... of > My Beloved Husband > Captain James Banks > Born Orkney 16 May 1838 > Fell Asleep 27 November 1905 > > I found this in a book titled "Even More Permanent Addresses" > written by R Brasch & published by William Colllins Pty Ltd > in 1989 p23. > I could scan the photo if wanted. > Cheers > Joy Aust > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>>TIP: To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: >>>>>[email protected] In the body include only one word: >>>>>unsubscribe > Use Orkney-D if you're receiving digests.<<<< > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>TIP: To search the archives of this list go to http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ORKNEY on the next page enter your search word(s) and select the year click the submit query button<<<< ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

This may be of interest to someone reseaching the name Banks in Orkney. In the Waverley Cemetery in Sydney NSW is the grave of Captain James Banks. Insciption reads:- In Loving ......... of My Beloved Husband Captain James Banks Born Orkney 16 May 1838 Fell Asleep 27 November 1905 I found this in a book titled "Even More Permanent Addresses" written by R Brasch & published by William Colllins Pty Ltd in 1989 p23. I could scan the photo if wanted. Cheers Joy Aust

Thank you Joy. This is the way I have them -2 days difference. I think I got my dates from the Dash family in Australia. Blake Allan, VCictoria BC 1 James BANKS 1837 - 1905 b: 16 May 1837 Smiddybanks, South Ronaldsay, Orkney, Scotland Occupation: Sea Captain d: 25 Nov 1905 Lewisham, New South Wales . +Louisa Rose BRANDON 1849 - 1934 b: 16 Jan 1849 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England m: 13 Aug 1867 Sydney, New South Wales d: 21 Sep 1934 Vaucluse, New South Wales ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Moloney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:25 AM Subject: [Orkney] Re: Captain James Banks > This may be of interest to someone reseaching the name Banks in Orkney. > In the Waverley Cemetery in Sydney NSW is the grave of Captain James > Banks. Insciption reads:- > > In Loving ......... of > My Beloved Husband > Captain James Banks > Born Orkney 16 May 1838 > Fell Asleep 27 November 1905 > > I found this in a book titled "Even More Permanent Addresses" > written by R Brasch & published by William Colllins Pty Ltd > in 1989 p23. > I could scan the photo if wanted. > Cheers > Joy Aust > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>>TIP: To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: >>>>>[email protected] In the body include only one word: >>>>>unsubscribe > Use Orkney-D if you're receiving digests.<<<< > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

G'day, The following marriage index entry was found on the Bengal Marriage Index 1860-73, (LDS:0498534). Bews, John & Harris, Elizabeth 1863 Vol:105 Folio 77. Hope it helps, Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia Researching Stewart, Baikie, Heddle, Malcomson, Stout, Gray, Cromarty, Oman, Anderson, Sutherland

Dear Trail/Traill (etc.) Family Members, We now have our first active participant in the Traill Surname Y-DNA Project at Family Tree DNA, so it's time for all those who would like to join the project to order their test kits. Please see the web page at http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=F60021&special=true to order your kit, or for more information. Prices for the appropriate test kits range from $99 USD to $219 USD, depending upon how many markers you want to match. It's a completely painless test utilising a swab of the inner cheek for cells to be tested. You may order with a credit card, so there's no need to worry about currency conversions. Quoting from Family Tree DNA: Since a Surname Project in essence traces members of a family that share a common surname, and females (a) don't carry their father's Y-DNA, and (b) acquire a new surname by the way of marriage; in order to be relevant to the Surname Project, the tested individual must be a male that wants to check his paternal line (father's father's father's...). The test to be ordered is either the Y-DNA12, Y-DNA25 or Y-DNA37, and females should look for a brother or cousin with that surname to be tested. Females can also order a test for themselves, which will be the mtDNA or mtDNAPlus, but the results of this test cannot be tied to the Surname Project. Since it takes several participants to begin to establish meaningful data, I hope all men with the Trail/l surname will participate! Ladies, and gents who have Traill heritage through your mothers, track down a male relative with the surname! Please pass the word to other Traills you may know, as well. As you may know, the Traill surname can be traced to the county of Fife, in Scotland, and has also been prevalent in Aberdeenshire, Orkney, and the Lothians, and scattered through other parts of Scotland. Worldwide, there are significant occurrences of the surname in Australia, Canada, the Caribbean islands, New Zealand, and the United States. With enough participants, the Y-DNA project will enable us to trace lines of descent and migration patterns of the Traill surname. The results should be fascinating! We hope to prove the line of descent of David Trail, Snr, of Maryland, the progenitor of many U.S. Trails, as well. It would be appreciated if all those who choose to participate would email to me whatever details of their genealogical background they may know. This will enable us to coordinate the results of DNA testing with names, dates, etc., to establish common ancestries amongst the members of the project. Please contact me if you have any questions about the project. Many of the questions you may have about genealogical DNA testing may be answered at http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html, and that's the best source of information on the details of the testing procedure. Best regards, Cyndi

Hello to all on the list, This is my first post. I am also a Metis person from Vancouver, Canada. My family was centred around Prince Albert. I am researching the descendents of Peter Brass born 1792-1798 in York Factory of an Orkadian (possibly Peter Brass)and of an Aboriginal woman, name unknown. Peter Brass died 1871 in the Shoal River-Fort Pelly area of the Northwest Territories. All of my paternal ancestors were originally involved with the Hudson's Bay Company. Since beginning my genealogical research 5 years ago, I've developed a fasination with Prairie History and of the Fur Trade. It is hard not to! My dream vacations are to go to York Factory and to the Orkneys. One day soon... The surnames I'm researching are: Brass From the Prairies: Anderson, Ballendine, Bird, Chartrand, Cook, Daniel, Donald, Field, Kennedy, Linklater, McLeod, O'Soup, Poitras, Sanderson, Shank, Umpherville, White/Blanc From Ontario: Finlayson From the Hebrides: Smith If anyone would like to correspond, I'd be happy to hear from them. Janis Brass -----Original Message----- From: barb miller [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Orkney] Re: Greetings from Saskatchewan, Canada Greetings Orcadians and non-Orcadians alike: I am a Metis person from Prince Albert, Saskatchewan with ancestral roots reaching back to Orkney. I am eager to make contact with any present-day Orcadians who have or know of those who have Metis blood (a mixture of Orcadian and Canadian Indian blood--stemming back to the Hudson's Bay Company fur trade times) flowing through their veins. Thank you in advance, Sincerely, Barbara Miller ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>TIP: When when posting your research interests, include the surnames in your subject line - this will improve our list archive and assist future researchers.<<<< ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Maryann - You write just as I was going to post an "update" to my Query! Coincidence... At any rate, yours was the only response from the ORKNEY-List thus far, besides a response from a researcher friend I asked via private email, but both of you pretty much had the same answer... my friend said: "The Hogston name seems to be a Caithness thing. Except for the children of George Hogston, there are no Hogston births on South Ronaldsay, and no occurences in the census records. Except for the South Ronaldsay births (Caithness-origin family), there are only about five IGI entries in Scotland outside of Caithness, and all those were in 1700s. It might be partly a matter of pronunciation or accent..." My conclusions, after scouring some of the South Ronaldsay OPRs for this Hogston family, is that, indeed, Mary's surname was most likely Hogston at her birth, and it definitely was at her marriage... but she chose to 'change' it to the spelling of "Houston" at some point after her marriage to William Wards [son of John Wards, Ann Ross] in 1835. I could not find Mary Hogston's birth in the So Ronaldsay OPRs, but from reading the other entries for her some of her siblings, I am gathering that there may have been some sort of change-over of either Session Clerks, or Session books, in the early 19th-century on So. Ronaldsay [circa 1808], and it was with inconsistency that several baptisms were or were not "re-notated" into the predominant book... it looks as if Mary's may birth entry may have fell by the wayside, but most of her siblings' births were transfered to the newer book. Hard to pinpoint Mary Hogston/Houston's birth year exactly, as along the way, in the censuses for So Ronaldsay, she "decided" to vary her age a bit [looks as if she was a few years older than Wm Wards]. Anyway, thank you for your help! Hope this info can in some way help someone researching this Line. - Lisa {> on 5/28/05 4:49 AM <} M Rosie wrote -- Hej Lisa Yes apparently Houston is pronounced or at least was pronounced Hogston in Caithness. I have come across several instances in my research which for Scotland is mostly from Caithness. It can even be spelt that way in earlier records. Maryann

Hej Lisa Yes apparently Houston is pronounced or at least was pronounced Hogston in Caithness. I have come across several instances in my research which for Scotland is mostly from Caithness. It can even be spelt that way in earlier records. Maryann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Conrad" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: [Orkney] HOGSTON vs. HOUSTON > > Would SKS know if there was any way that the pronunciation of HOUSTON > could > ever be misheard or misconstrued by someone hearing this surname said out > loud, as sounding like "HOGSTON" (in reference to clerks or ministers that > notated BMDs in the 19th-century OPRs in particular)... > > > I have transcripts from statutory death registers, dated 1887 and 1897, > that > list a woman's maiden surname as "HOUSTON"... and yet her 1835 marriage > entry in the Old Parish Register distinctly has her surname as "HOGSTON". > > I guess what I am asking, and it is a long shot, is: how does one > pronounce > "Hogston" in Caithness (from whence this woman came)... is it "Hog-ston", > rhyming with "Fog- etc." ? > Or could Hogston in some way sound like "Houston"? > > > Thank you! > > - Lisa > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>> Orkney list now has 329 subscribers <<<<< > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >