In a message > Sun, 18 Dec 2005 18:33:35 EST > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Margaret Peebles > > I'm looking for any information on Margaret Peebles, born I believe in > Birsay. She married Robert Spence from Crook in 1770 in Birsay. They had 7 > > children. There is no trace of her in 1841 census. There is one mention of > her in > the Kirk session minutes but other than that I can find nothing. > Any information would be great. > Fiona Mackay Fiona, I don't have any information on Margaret, but it is possible that if I knew more about Robert Spence I could help you. Do you know any more details about him (dob, dom, dod, parents, etc)? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

I'm looking for any information on Margaret Peebles, born I believe in Birsay. She married Robert Spence from Crook in 1770 in Birsay. They had 7 children. There is no trace of her in 1841 census. There is one mention of her in the Kirk session minutes but other than that I can find nothing. Any information would be great. Fiona Mackay

Lisa, Meg, & Fiona, Thank you all for your assistance with my problem, seems to have righted all by it's self, been out most of the day, came home put computer on got your letter Lisa, tried the URL you sent worked perfectly, decided to try the one I normally use and it worked also, can't think what could have been going wrong, just very pleased to be able to use your great site again Lisa. Thank you Meg and Fiona for your help also, can I just take this opportunity to wish you all a very merry Christmas Best Wishes Cathy

Hi Cathy - Woke up this morning and read your and Fiona's emails.... sorry about that! The site *should* be accessible, I haven't had any problems with it - although it is true that I am working with my domain name people on one particular issue... but that should not be preventing access at all. Perhaps if you temporarily (thru approx end of January, when certain things should be worked out more fully) use this URL < http://www.southronaldsay.net/index.html > There have not been any recent updates, unfortunately -- but this is because I have been avidly involved with transcribing another huge Project for the site which I hope to add on-line early next year. ;-) I am currently interacting with HMSO right now to get copyright permission for this. I know I've been a bit remiss with Updates for a few months, but next year you will see the reason why (if the copyright permission goes thru, that is!) I do hope to get another Photo Contributor's photos on-line by this week, though. Lisa {> on 12/18/05 2:16 AM <} [email protected] wrote -- Fiona That is a really nice gesture, I wasn't looking for any thing in particular just looking to see if Lisa had updated Cathy

No problem cheers Fiona

Fiona That is a really nice gesture, I wasn't looking for any thing in particular just looking to see if Lisa had updated Cathy In a message dated 18/12/2005 10:08:50 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Cathy If you would like me to look anything up for you please let me know Fiona ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== SPAM - best advice.. DELETE it. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

Cathy If you would like me to look anything up for you please let me know Fiona

Thanks Fiona, I don't understand this, never had a problem in the past, if you can get in so should I, Oh well, I shall just have to keep trying. Cathy In a message dated 18/12/2005 09:54:27 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi there I've managed to get into it ok. Fiona Mackay ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>> Orkney list now has 329 subscribers <<<<< ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=54 29

Hi there I've managed to get into it ok. Fiona Mackay

Hi, Is any one having problems geting into Lisa's site.-- Southronaldsay.net I have been trying for the past few days with no success. Cathy

Thank you to all the Listers who advised me, both off-Lists and on-Lists, that this affliction was kidney stones, and that "death by Gravel" resulted from failure to pass same. The most amazing thing is that everyone agreed. I have never seen that happen before !! Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

> I am cross-posting this to several Lists, hoping to find a Lister with > knowledge of medical terms (presumably ancient ones). I've always found Paul Smith's website to be of great help, it's got loads of archaic medical terms plus some other useful info too. It's at: http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm Fiona Orkney -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: 15/12/05

From: [email protected] > I have found several deaths listed, first in the Orkney OPRs and now in some > Perthshire OPRs, giving the cause of death as "of a Gravel". Ken: Sounds like kidney stones. This is a good site: http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm [email protected]

[email protected] wrote: >I am cross-posting this to several Lists, hoping to find a Lister with >knowledge of medical terms (presumably ancient ones). > >I have found several deaths listed, first in the Orkney OPRs and now in some >Perthshire OPRs, giving the cause of death as "of a Gravel". When I first saw >it a couple of years ago I thought it was a "one-off" odd expression. Now I >find several instances of it, and so realize it was not so uncommon. > >Can anyone explain the meaning of this? The cases I have found were all in >the 1600s and 1700s. > Ken, the only definition I can find is for stones in the urinary tract. Could they have been fatal? -- Mike Clouston

Generally refers to urinary tract stone but is also used less commonly for gall bladder stones. Without the aid of X-ray or Surgery for diagnosis, 1600- 1700 cases would likely be urinary tract and the blockage they can cause, could lead to a fatal result. Ron Garson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Clouston" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Orkney] Death by "Gravel" > [email protected] wrote: > >>I am cross-posting this to several Lists, hoping to find a Lister with >>knowledge of medical terms (presumably ancient ones). >> >>I have found several deaths listed, first in the Orkney OPRs and now in >>some Perthshire OPRs, giving the cause of death as "of a Gravel". When I >>first saw it a couple of years ago I thought it was a "one-off" odd >>expression. Now I find several instances of it, and so realize it was not >>so uncommon. >> >>Can anyone explain the meaning of this? The cases I have found were all >>in the 1600s and 1700s. >> > Ken, the only definition I can find is for stones in the urinary tract. > Could they have been fatal? > -- > Mike Clouston > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>>TIP: To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: >>>>>[email protected] In the body include only one word: >>>>>unsubscribe > Use Orkney-D if you're receiving digests.<<<< > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I am cross-posting this to several Lists, hoping to find a Lister with knowledge of medical terms (presumably ancient ones). I have found several deaths listed, first in the Orkney OPRs and now in some Perthshire OPRs, giving the cause of death as "of a Gravel". When I first saw it a couple of years ago I thought it was a "one-off" odd expression. Now I find several instances of it, and so realize it was not so uncommon. Can anyone explain the meaning of this? The cases I have found were all in the 1600s and 1700s. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GREAVES Yorkshire > London GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa SPENCE Orkney FOTHERINGHAM Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) MORRISON Islay > Ontario BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario McNABB Islay > Ontario MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

Many thanks for your reply and information James - I couldn't find Rev William in Smith's "The Church of Orkney". What a tragedy. The parents and the two youngest children dead within a six week period. The health statistics for Scotland as a whole, both rural and suburban, for that period makes grim reading and I would expect the statistics for Orkney to be somewhat similar - For those who might be interested the following link is useful: http://www.scran.ac.uk/scotland/pdf/SP2_3Health.pdf Thank you for your help Susan ________________________ Susan Simmons searching for: Wright, Hughes & Kellett in India Wright, Donaldson, Bain, Green & Dunnett in Caithness Wright, Anderson in Orkney -----Original Message----- From: James Irvine [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 00:34 To: [email protected] Subject: [Orkney] Re: Anderson, Rev William & family Strangely Anderson was omitted by John Smith in his "The Church in Orkney" of 1907, but in his "Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae" of 1928 Hew Scott gives under his list of Church of Scotland Ministers of Walls and Flotta: "William Anderson born 1st Feb. 1799, son of David A., min. of Kirkurd [Peebleshire]; educated at Univ. of Edinburgh; licen. by Presb. of Peebles; ord. assistant at Evie and Rendall in 1843; adm[itted to Walls and Flotta] 9th May 1844; died 6th June 1865. He marr. 17th July 1845 Lucy Hay (died 20th April 1865), daugh. of David Murray, min. of Dysart, Fife, and had issue - Margaret, born 16th Dec.1846 (marr. Robert Wright, min. of Dairsie [Fife]); Janet Burn born 31st Oct 1848; Davina Lucy Murray born 19th July 1850 (marr. Gerald Affleck Scott, physician in Australia); David, born 4th Sept. 1852; Wilhelmina June, born 9th June 1855 (marr.23rd Nov. 1892 Joihn Arbuthnott Trail, W.S., LL.D.), died 12th Jan. 1920; William, born 14th Feb. 1859; Joanna Murray, born 24th Dec. 1869, died 2nd June 1865; Marion, born 17th May 1863, died 22nd May 1865." www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk will explain why such an apparently affluent, well educated family suffered four deaths in three months. My guess would be smallpox. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Simmons" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:34 PM Subject: Anderson, Rev William & family > Has anyone any information on the Rev William Anderson, and his family, > who > was minister in Walls. He was born Abt. 1799 and he died in Walls Abt. > 1865, buried in Osmundwall. His wife was Lucy Murray and they had 7 > children. I have found that he had a profound influence on my GGrand Uncle > Robert Wright so I would like very much to know more about the family and > what became of them all. > > Regards and Christmas greetings to the list. > > Susan > ________________________ > Susan Simmons > searching for: Wright, Hughes & Kellett in India > Wright, Donaldson, Bain, Green & Dunnett in Caithness > Wright and Anderson in Orkney > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>TIP: When replying to a message, please change the subject line of the message if you've changed the subject - this will improve our list archive and assist future researchers.<<<< ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

I would be cautious on assuming Orkney's health statistics being similar to Scotland as a whole, not least because all the examples in Knox's article appear to relate to urban circumstances which I suspect were worse than rural. But the subject is very complex, as population statistics are as much a function of migration (typically of young families) and birth rates as of health. Robert Barclay's "The Population of Orkney 1755-1961" of 1965 gives: 1861: Under 15/65 & over: Orkney: 33.4%/8.5% Scotland: 36.1%/4.9% 1961: Under 15/65 & over: Orkney: 23.7%/14.6% Scotland: 25.9%/10.6% GRO(S) website gives: 2004: Under 15/65 & over (men)/ 60 & over (women): Orkney: 20%/16%/26% Scotland: 20%/14%/24% ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Simmons" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:59 AM Subject: RE: [Orkney] Re: Anderson, Rev William & family > Many thanks for your reply and information James - I couldn't find Rev > William in Smith's "The Church of Orkney". > > What a tragedy. The parents and the two youngest children dead within a > six > week period. The health statistics for Scotland as a whole, both rural and > suburban, for that period makes grim reading and I would expect the > statistics for Orkney to be somewhat similar - For those who might be > interested the following link is useful: > http://www.scran.ac.uk/scotland/pdf/SP2_3Health.pdf > > Thank you for your help > Susan > ________________________ > Susan Simmons > searching for: Wright, Hughes & Kellett in India > Wright, Donaldson, Bain, Green & Dunnett in Caithness > Wright, Anderson in Orkney > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Irvine [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 00:34 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Orkney] Re: Anderson, Rev William & family > > > Strangely Anderson was omitted by John Smith in his "The Church in Orkney" > of 1907, but in his "Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae" of 1928 Hew Scott gives > under his list of Church of Scotland Ministers of Walls and Flotta: > "William > Anderson born 1st Feb. 1799, son of David A., min. of Kirkurd > [Peebleshire]; > educated at Univ. of Edinburgh; licen. by Presb. of Peebles; ord. > assistant > at Evie and Rendall in 1843; adm[itted to Walls and Flotta] 9th May 1844; > died 6th June 1865. He marr. 17th July 1845 Lucy Hay (died 20th April > 1865), daugh. of David Murray, min. of Dysart, Fife, and had issue - > Margaret, born 16th Dec.1846 (marr. Robert Wright, min. of Dairsie > [Fife]); > Janet Burn born 31st Oct 1848; Davina Lucy Murray born 19th July 1850 > (marr. > Gerald Affleck Scott, physician in Australia); David, born 4th Sept. 1852; > Wilhelmina June, born 9th June 1855 (marr.23rd Nov. 1892 Joihn Arbuthnott > Trail, W.S., LL.D.), died 12th Jan. 1920; William, born 14th Feb. 1859; > Joanna Murray, born 24th Dec. 1869, died 2nd June 1865; Marion, born 17th > May 1863, died 22nd May 1865." > > www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk will explain why such an apparently affluent, > well educated family suffered four deaths in three months. My guess would > be smallpox. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Simmons" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 8:34 PM > Subject: Anderson, Rev William & family > > >> Has anyone any information on the Rev William Anderson, and his family, >> who >> was minister in Walls. He was born Abt. 1799 and he died in Walls Abt. >> 1865, buried in Osmundwall. His wife was Lucy Murray and they had 7 >> children. I have found that he had a profound influence on my GGrand >> Uncle >> Robert Wright so I would like very much to know more about the family and >> what became of them all. >> >> Regards and Christmas greetings to the list. >> >> Susan >> ________________________ >> Susan Simmons >> searching for: Wright, Hughes & Kellett in India >> Wright, Donaldson, Bain, Green & Dunnett in Caithness >> Wright and Anderson in Orkney >> > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>>TIP: When replying to a message, please change the subject line of the > message if you've changed the subject - this will improve our list archive > and assist future researchers.<<<< > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

G'day Susan, Much of the family was wiped out by an outbreak of from memory, whooping cough ? The dates I have are:- Lucy Hay Anderson (42) D: 20th April 1865 Walls Wm A (66) D: 6th June 1865 Walls, Joanna A (4) D: 2nd June 1865 Walls Marion A (2) D: 22nd May 1865 Walls. Regards David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia Researching Stewart, Baikie, Heddle, Malcomson, Stout, Gray, Cromarty, Oman, Anderson, Sutherland ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Simmons To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 4:34 AM Subject: [Orkney] Anderson, Rev William & family Has anyone any information on the Rev William Anderson, and his family, who was minister in Walls. He was born Abt. 1799 and he died in Walls Abt. 1865, buried in Osmundwall. His wife was Lucy Murray and they had 7 children. I have found that he had a profound influence on my GGrand Uncle Robert Wright so I would like very much to know more about the family and what became of them all. Regards and Christmas greetings to the list. Susan ________________________ Susan Simmons searching for: Wright, Hughes & Kellett in India Wright, Donaldson, Bain, Green & Dunnett in Caithness Wright and Anderson in Orkney ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== >>>>TIP: To unsubscribe, send an e-mail message to: [email protected] In the body include only one word: unsubscribe Use Orkney-D if you're receiving digests.<<<< ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Hard to say if they are related. She is descended from Mary Flett Hepburn born abt 1829 in Kirkwall parish. She married James Smith Hewison 14 Jul 1851 in Shapinsay. James Smith Hewison was postmaster for Kirkwall for sometime. James' daughter Elizabeth Walls Hewison married Timothy Hewison (first cousin). Thomas Hepburn Hewison was Elizabeth's brother. Mike Bostwick > > At 08:33 PM 12/10/2005, [email protected] wrote: > >Possibly you are looking for Brough farm on Westray. According to my uncle > >it was one of the largest working farms in > >Scotland at one time. My grandfather's sister Mary Hepburn Hewison married > >John Drever who ran the farm but that would > >probably have taken place between 1910-1920. Sorry to say that I don't > >have much information on John Drever but his > >father's name was also John and his mother was Margaret. In the 1901 > >census the only child listed was John who was 6 > >years old at the time. > > Hi Mike, > > your mention of a Mary Hepburn Hewison above piqued my interest - would you > happen to know if she is in any way connected to the HEPBURN family that > lived at Liviness on Shapinsay until 1906? > > Thanks for your time... > > > Alan Hepburn - [email protected] > Get your personalized email at: http://www.netidentity.com/5YZ4QR6R > > > ==== ORKNEY Mailing List ==== > SPAM - best advice.. DELETE it. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >