Ah! It's out of print already? WOW. Good thing I bought two copies when it first came out (one for me, and one for a special cousin's birthday present). :-) - Lisa --- James Irvine wrote: > [...] and Willie Thomson, [...] Thomson's [...] his superb new "Orkney Land and People" (already - temporarly - out of print). > > James Irvine. >

Ken, You may be interested in a Wikipedia article on "Balfour, Orkney". (Yes, I know it's Wikipedia and perhaps the article needs to be treated with some caution.) Part of the article says: "Originally known as Shoreside, Balfour was built by in the 1780s by Thomas Balfour, a former tenant farmer who acquired a private income by marrying the sister of an Earl. With his new-found wealth, Balfour purchased the estate of Sound, whose estate house had been burned down in revenge for the then owner's support of the 1745 Jacobite Rising. In 1782, to make way for a new residence, Balfour cleared cottars from the south-west of the island, and appropriated part of the common, building the village of Shoreside to house those evicted. To help finance his building work, Thomas Balfour borrowed money from his brother John, who made his fortune serving with the British East India Company. "In 1846 his grandson, David Balfour, inherited the estate, which now encompassed the whole of the island. The following year, he recruited an Edinburgh architect, David Bryce, to transform Cliffdale House into the Scottish Baronial Balfour Castle." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour,_Orkney Charles Tait's Orkney Guide Book has the following: "The Balfours were Jacobites, and suffered financially as a result, but Thomas Balfour married Frances Liginier in 1775, whose money allowed them to buy the Sound Estate in 1784. They built a new house, Cliffdale, and established the village, then called Shoreside, to house cottars cleared from Sound." There's quite a lot about the Balfours and Cliffdale on a Historic Scotland page here: http://tinyurl.com/5stm8x I'm still not clear about which Colonel Balfour was around in the 1790s, but a search for "Cliffdale Orkney" produces a number of hits and I haven't worked my way through them all. However, here's a paragraph from another Wikipedia article on the almost entirely forgotten novelist Mary Brunton: "Mary was the daughter Colonel Thomas Balfour of Elwick, a British Army officer and Frances Ligonier, sister of the second earl of Ligonier. She was born on 1 November 1778 in the Orkney Islands. Mary's early education was limited, though her mother did teach her music, Italian, and French." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Brunton I see that her mother's name is given as Ligonier rather than Liginier (the spelling given by Charles Tait). Norman Tulloch

I have found a reference to a "Col. Balfour" who apparently had a factor named William Spence representing him "at Cliffdale" in the mid 1790s. Can anyone identify either the place, Cliffdale, or who may have been the "Col. Balfour"? I wonder whether it may have been Thomas Balfour of Elwick, who apparently was a doctor and raised a unit of Fencibles, thereby having the title of Colonel. But I know of no connection he had to any place named Cliffdale. Any advice or suggestions welcomed ... Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

The following is from Goldfields Family History Records Western Australia & the WA POlice Historical Society I hope it is of interest and I would love to hear from anyone whose family Malcolm LOUTTIT fits into Shyama Peebles " Malcolm LOUTTIT Police Constable 737 Malcolm was born in the Parish of Elvie and Rendell on the Orkney Islands of Scotland to John LOUTTIT and Ann nee TAIT and was christened on the 21st October 1866 He was the youngest of four children found to this couple, two brothers and a sister. He became a policeman on Orkney and rose to the rank of Inspector of Police before migrating. In Western Australia he joined the Police Force in Perth 8th January 1902 as a Probationary Constable. Promoted to 2nd Class Constable 1 July the same year, he served over 7 years in Perth. Malcolm was transferred to Coolgardie 23rd April 1910 where he became a well respected member of the community. During the last 4 months of his life PC Louttit suffered from Bright's Disease. The WA records show him aged 39 years when he succumbed to the disease in the Coolgardie Hospital on Thursday 17th August 1911. Buried in the Presbyterian Section Grave K204 B86 of the Cemetery the next day. The local Constabulary and members of the community attended his funeral along with the gentlemen of the local Masonic Lodge where he had been a member. His will left his entire estate to his sister Anne who was Mrs John FLETT residing in Rendell Orkney Islands"

The continent of North America extends as far south as the Isthmus of Tehuantepec in southern Mexico, thus three countries are a part of it: Canada, America and Mexico. If you take the full formal names of Nations, there are or have been a number of "United States". Between 1889 to 1967 Brazil was the "Republic of the United States of Brazil" Mexico still is the "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" or United States of Mexico. Until the mid-twentieth century, you had the "United States of Venezuela". And the initials U.S.A? Well, that was the "Union of South Africa" from 1910 to 1961. As for the initials U.S.? Well that's a mechanical usage not a geographical one! As regards the name America itself, there is a strong argument to be made that the name originates with a Bristol merchant, Richard Ameryk, who was investing in commercial fishing expeditions on the American coast in the 1480s and 90s and was involved with the voyages of John Cabot. If it was named after the Florentine Amerigo Vespucci, then surely it should have been Vespuccia! Historians have been able to demonstrate that Vespucci was a braggart and a charlatan who stole the kudos of others. (For more on this, read "The Columbus Myth" by Ian Wilson (1991 Simon & Schuster - ISBN 0-671-71067-2)) And recently, the Canadian Constitution was an Act of the British Parliament, the "British North America Act" of 1867. Owing to squabbles between Quebec and the other Provinces, the Canadian Constitution was not "patriated" to Canada until 1982. So prior to that, any constitutional amendments had to rubber stamped by the British Parliament! Cheers David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: MSiperek@aol.com To: orkney@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] history courses My observations are the opposite. When in England Ireland and Scotland, they all refer to US as America and are a bit puzzled when I call it the US or USA. Is that your Scotland showing Evelyn? Marilyn

Hi Lisa Thanks for reminding me of school :>{ :>) Willie 2008/6/26 Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net>: > 'Chastise' is a harsh word, Willie. lol! :-\ > Thesaurus.com has these for synonyms: "accuse, admonish, beat, berate, > blame, cane, castigate, chasten, correct, discipline, flog, lash, > pummel, punish, ream, rebuke, reprove, scold, scourge, spank, strap, > taunt, thrash, whip". > > whew! My goodness. I sure don't think I've chastised anyone lately! > > > - Lisa > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Cathy. I posted that the part about this family living in Leith was an error and that they were in fact in Burray in 1851. I am pretty sure that this is the correct family as in the 1881 census, we have Robert Duncan born Abt 1872 in Leith living with his uncle Donald Duncan who was Robert snrs brother. ( no doubt Lisa is going to chastise me for that statement as I have no definite proof) :>) Willie 2008/6/26 Cathy Wagner <wagnerc@ebtech.net>: > The family of Barbara MacDonald were living in Burray in the 1851 census > so that cannot be the same family unless the census was taken at diff times > and they had moved briefly to Edinburgh, as she died in Burray in 1883, this > is the family of James Duncan and Barbara MacDonald, however I do not know > another family that has a mother Barbara, is there one?? > > > Cathy Wagner > > > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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It is Trois Rivieres - plural - Three Rivers. Not Trois Riviere. Blake Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evelyn Hlabse" <evelynhlabse@mac.com> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] history courses > You learn something new all the time. I didn't know that about Canada. > I think US citizens tend to think of the USA as America and the rest > of the continent as something else - I don't know what. > > I'm curious as to what kind of history you all learned in school. I > went through 6th in Scotland and covered Australia, Canada, New Zealand > and the U.K. and nothing about the U.S.A. - oh, there was something > that happened in 1776 though. When I came to the States, we learned > almost nothing about Europe, Africa and Asia but I do remember that > there was a course in European History. Somehow I never had a U.S. > history course. > > > > > On Jun 25, 2008, at 1:53 PM, KenHarrison11@cs.com wrote: > > In a message dated 24/06/2008 10:21:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com writes: >> I have seen both birth certs and it is definately, Three Rivers, or >> Trois Riviere as the locals call it, which is midway between Montreal >> and Quebec city. In relation to the America part, he could have said >> North America and meant Canada, >> >> Willie > > Willie, > > I think it is less complicated than that. Canada was (and is) part of > America, just like Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, etc. > > In making his statement he was probably just stating this geographical > fact, > not making a political statement. However, "Canada" as a country did > not > exist prior to 1867. Prior to that year, there were two "provinces", > called > "Upper Canada" and "Lower Canada", of the British colonies located in > the northern > part of the continent of America. Trois Riviere was in "Lower Canada". > > Ken Harrison > North Vancouver, Canada > > Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no > intentional > attachment on this e-mail transmission. > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, > Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Evelyn, Emma, Robbie & Spencer Sweet Pea > Digory waiting at the Bridge (12/8/89 - 11/8/96) > Help support Corgi Aid -- http://www.corgiaid.org/ > Raise money for CorgiAid by searching/shopping the Internet with > www.goodsearch.com > http://homepage.mac.com/evelynhlabse/Home/home.html > 'The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not > protect you.' > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Regarding the place "America" My MacDonald's immigrated to "America" according to the records in Scotland, however where they went to was actually Ontario, Canada and knew that is where they were going as their brother Colin MacDonald was bringing them over and he lived in Montreal. I am sure the places that they ended up were already in the making prior to leaving as another brother was already living in Ontario as well and they got land within a mile or so from him So America to them, enveloped North America Cathy Wagner

Well it must be the right family it fits everyones names and birth records I even have a sister Isabella Duncan who married Peter Houston in 1855 I must tell you that this surprises me, since Barbara MacDonald (Duncan) died in Burray, she must have went back to the Orkney at some point, I will have to check the census in more detail and see who stayed in Edinburgh and who stayed/went back to Burray Interesting find Cathy Wagner

My observations are the opposite. When in England Ireland and Scotland, they all refer to US as America and are a bit puzzled when I call it the US or USA. Is that your Scotland showing Evelyn? Marilyn **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

The family of Barbara MacDonald were living in Burray in the 1851 census so that cannot be the same family unless the census was taken at diff times and they had moved briefly to Edinburgh, as she died in Burray in 1883, this is the family of James Duncan and Barbara MacDonald, however I do not know another family that has a mother Barbara, is there one?? Cathy Wagner

When I first started researching my Orcadian lineage, all I knew about my gg-granddad was that he "emigrated to America [sic] in 1857 and then settled in Oswego, NY". I later discovered that it turns out he emigrated to Quebec initially. Then worked his way down to Oswego during a couple years' time period. So, to me, "America" (as I wrote in my email on the topic: "..an "American" marriage certificate (could be Canadian OR USA)..") could have been either US or Canada. - Lisa

'Chastise' is a harsh word, Willie. lol! :-\ Thesaurus.com has these for synonyms: "accuse, admonish, beat, berate, blame, cane, castigate, chasten, correct, discipline, flog, lash, pummel, punish, ream, rebuke, reprove, scold, scourge, spank, strap, taunt, thrash, whip". whew! My goodness. I sure don't think I've chastised anyone lately! - Lisa

You learn something new all the time. I didn't know that about Canada. I think US citizens tend to think of the USA as America and the rest of the continent as something else - I don't know what. I'm curious as to what kind of history you all learned in school. I went through 6th in Scotland and covered Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the U.K. and nothing about the U.S.A. - oh, there was something that happened in 1776 though. When I came to the States, we learned almost nothing about Europe, Africa and Asia but I do remember that there was a course in European History. Somehow I never had a U.S. history course. On Jun 25, 2008, at 1:53 PM, KenHarrison11@cs.com wrote: In a message dated 24/06/2008 10:21:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com writes: > I have seen both birth certs and it is definately, Three Rivers, or > Trois Riviere as the locals call it, which is midway between Montreal > and Quebec city. In relation to the America part, he could have said > North America and meant Canada, > > Willie Willie, I think it is less complicated than that. Canada was (and is) part of America, just like Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, etc. In making his statement he was probably just stating this geographical fact, not making a political statement. However, "Canada" as a country did not exist prior to 1867. Prior to that year, there were two "provinces", called "Upper Canada" and "Lower Canada", of the British colonies located in the northern part of the continent of America. Trois Riviere was in "Lower Canada". Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission. ------------------ List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Evelyn, Emma, Robbie & Spencer Sweet Pea Digory waiting at the Bridge (12/8/89 - 11/8/96) Help support Corgi Aid -- http://www.corgiaid.org/ Raise money for CorgiAid by searching/shopping the Internet with www.goodsearch.com http://homepage.mac.com/evelynhlabse/Home/home.html 'The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you.'

In a message dated 24/06/2008 10:21:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com writes: > I have seen both birth certs and it is definately, Three Rivers, or > Trois Riviere as the locals call it, which is midway between Montreal > and Quebec city. In relation to the America part, he could have said > North America and meant Canada, > > Willie Willie, I think it is less complicated than that. Canada was (and is) part of America, just like Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, etc. In making his statement he was probably just stating this geographical fact, not making a political statement. However, "Canada" as a country did not exist prior to 1867. Prior to that year, there were two "provinces", called "Upper Canada" and "Lower Canada", of the British colonies located in the northern part of the continent of America. Trois Riviere was in "Lower Canada". Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

Lisa I haven't been able so far to confirm Robert Duncan/Georgina Scott marrige in Canada. I'll keep looking but I'm not very familiar with Canadian records, so it's a learning experience for me - which is good <vbg>. In the meantime, perhaps Willie will solve the problem. Regards Joy

There is another Robert Duncan Aged 4 born Leith in the 1881 Census living at an industrial School, though there is nothing on SP for his birth. I may possibly have more information on the Robert Duncan who joined the Canadian Army later in the week. I have seen both birth certs and it is definately, Three Rivers, or Trois Riviere as the locals call it, which is midway between Montreal and Quebec city. In relation to the America part, he could have said North America and meant Canada, Willie 2008/6/25 <orkney-request@rootsweb.com>: > > > Rootsweb handles ONLY plain text messages; therefore, there is no concern for virus infections from a digest, UNLESS you have specifically requested MIME format. > > For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > * Subscribing. 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Re: LOUTTIT (Lisa Conrad) > 7. Re: DUNCAN/SCOTT marriage (ecunningham@att.net) > 8. Re: DUNCAN/SCOTT marriage (Lisa Conrad) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:05:40 +0100 > From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67 > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <a93263dd0806241705g7c071e98u92565145215bb4ee@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > This is the family in 1861 In 1851 they were living in Leith Edinburgh > > Name: Robert Duncan > Age: 19 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 > Relationship: Son > Mother's Name: Barbara > Gender: Male > Where born: Burray, Orkney > Registration Number: 29 > Registration district: South Ronaldsay and Burray > Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay and Burray > Town: Burray > County: Orkney > Address: Sutherland > Occupation: Merchant Seaman > ED: 2B > Household schedule number: 30 > Line: 25 > Roll: CSSCT1861_4 > Household Members: > Name Age > Alexander Duncan 16 > Barbara Duncan 51 > Betsey Duncan 33 > Donald Duncan 22 > Robert Duncan 19 > Barbara Houston 4 Mo > Isabella Houston 31 > James Houston 4 > Peter Houston 31 > Robert Houston 2 > Ellen Rosie 15 > > 2008/6/25 William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: >> Hi Lisa have you seen this one, >> >> Name: Robert Duncan >> Age: 9 >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 >> Relationship: Nephew >> Gender: Male >> Where born: Leith >> Registration Number: 29 >> Registration district: South Ronaldsay and Burray >> Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay and Burray >> County: Orkney >> Address: Setherland >> Occupation: Scholar >> ED: 12 >> Household schedule number: 32 >> Line: 12 >> Roll: cssct1881_6 >> Household Members: >> Name Age >> Alexander Duncan 6 >> Alexander Duncan 38 >> Barbara Duncan 8 >> Barbara Duncan 76 >> Donald Duncan 42 >> Donald Duncan 13 >> Esther Duncan 42 >> James Duncan 15 >> John Duncan 12 >> Margaret Duncan 4 >> Margaret Duncan 49 >> Mary W Duncan 7 >> Peter Duncan 1 >> Robert Duncan 9 >> Robert Duncan 9 >> William Duncan 17 >> >> Willie >> >> 2008/6/24 William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: >>> Hi Lisa >>> >>> these were the only two births I could find for a Georgina Scott on >>> Scotland's People neither in Edinburgh. >>> >>> 8 02/05/1845 SCOTT GEORGINA ANDREW SCOTT/MARIANNE LOCKHURST >>> FR1247 F Hawick /ROXBURGH 789/ 0050 0462 >>> 9 08/05/1845 SCOTT GEORGINA GEORGE SCOTT/ISABELLA NEILSON >>> FR727 F Langholm or Staplegorton /DUMFRIES 839/ 0030 0114 >>> >>> What about the possibility that she has a corrected entry for her >>> birth and the surname changed, I know that is what happened to one of >>> my relatives, how you would find that out I do not know. >>> >>> According to Robert jnr's Attestation paper it shows that Georgina was >>> residing at 45 Dartmouth Rd Brondesbury London England. that was in >>> June 1917. >>> >>> Again according to the Attestation papers, Robert Jnr was in the Scots >>> Gaurds, based in London for 12 years before going to live in Canada. >>> It would seem a possibility that Georgina and Robert died in England. >>> Maybe someone has access to the death records there and be able to >>> confirm the parents. If you need the Attestation record to confirm the >>> above let me know. >>> >>> Still no information yet re the marriage cert. >>> >>> Willie >>> >>> 2008/6/24 <orkney-request@rootsweb.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Rootsweb handles ONLY plain text messages; therefore, there is no concern for virus infections from a digest, UNLESS you have specifically requested MIME format. >>>> >>>> For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> * Subscribing. Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join ORKNEY-L, send mail to ORKNEY-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join ORKNEY-D, do the same thing with ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com. >>>> o Subscribe to ORKNEY-L >>>> o Subscribe to ORKNEY-D (digest) >>>> * Unsubscribing. To leave ORKNEY-L, send mail to ORKNEY-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave ORKNEY-D, do the same thing with ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com. >>>> o Unsubscribe from ORKNEY-L >>>> o Unsubscribe from ORKNEY-D (digest) >>>> >>>> >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Robert Duncan (Joy Moloney) >>>> 2. Re: Robert Duncan (Lisa Conrad) >>>> 3. Re: ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 65 (Charlie Petersen) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:56:17 +1000 >>>> From: "Joy Moloney" <jmo22829@bigpond.net.au> >>>> Subject: [ORKNEY] Robert Duncan >>>> To: "Orkney" <orkney@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <5816AD81063945B4B446197EEE886B0B@joy> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Lisa >>>> Can you please summarise exactly what we're looking for re Robert Duncan? I >>>> hate to admit that I'm confused <vbg>. >>>> >>>> Joy in freezing Wagga >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:16:12 -0700 >>>> From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Robert Duncan >>>> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <48602EBC.2020901@earthlink.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Hi Joy! >>>> (Oh yeah - winter there, eh?) :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I would surmise you're confused because I think there have been a >>>> few references to Robert Duncans that aren't the one I am seeking. >>>> (Easy to do, with a name like that. Kind of like the surname, "Smith"!) >>>> >>>> Basically, all I'm looking for is >>>> - (1) anyone who either has, or can lead me to locating on my own, the >>>> marriage certificate for Robert Duncan and his wife, Georgina Scott, who >>>> (according to possibly two of their children's birth certs) seemed to >>>> have married on 25th Sept. 1866 in "America" (which could have been >>>> pinned down the Three Rivers, Montreal), >>>> OR - (2) descendants of this pair, who --if no marriage cert is >>>> available-- have good knowledge of the accurate marriage date. >>>> >>>> I am making an educated guess that Robert Duncan was the son of James >>>> Duncan and Barbara McDonald of Burray, and was born 16th April 1841. >>>> >>>> Georgina Scott's age in the Scotland 1871 Census is "24". I tried to >>>> seek out her parents (since the 1871 census says she was born in >>>> Edinburgh), to no avail so far. I found who I think is Georgina in the >>>> Scotland 1861 and 1851 censuses, though... I was hoping to find her with >>>> her parents BUT what I found instead (IF THIS IS HER, and I think it >>>> is), was that [in 1861] she was a Scholar at age "14" at a school in the >>>> Parish of St. Bernard's, Edinburgh. And when she was age "4" [in 1851] >>>> she was a Lodger" at a household on 56 High Street in Edinburgh with a >>>> man named John Watson, his wife Elizabeth and their two daughters. >>>> Gives me no clue as to who are her parents. >>>> >>>> You can read my other emails in this thread for other info? >>>> >>>> - Lisa. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:42:55 -0700 >>>> From: "Charlie Petersen" <charliep@cablespeed.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 65 >>>> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <004601c8d59b$a294d850$841ceb42@D96VR121> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Hope it was decent wine, Willie! >>>> >>>> Charlie Anne Petersen >>>> Port Townsend Washington USA >>>> Descendant of John Laird/Mary Sinclair, both buried in Burray churchyard. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To contact the ORKNEY list administrator, send an email to >>>> ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> To post a message to the ORKNEY mailing list, send an email to ORKNEY@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> email with no additional text. >>>> >>>> >>>> End of ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67 >>>> ************************************* >>>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:11:28 -0700 > From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] DUNCAN SCOTT > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <48618D30.5020409@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > In Leith in *1851*? > > ----- > > William Sinclair wrote: >> This is the family in 1861 In 1851 they were living in Leith Edinburgh >> >> Name: Robert Duncan >> Age: 19 >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 >> Relationship: Son >> Mother's Name: Barbara >> Gender: Male >> Where born: Burray, Orkney >> Registration Number: 29 >> Registration district: South Ronaldsay and Burray >> Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay and Burray >> Town: Burray >> County: Orkney >> Address: Sutherland >> Occupation: Merchant Seaman >> ED: 2B >> Household schedule number: 30 >> Line: 25 >> Roll: CSSCT1861_4 >> Household Members: >> Name Age >> Alexander Duncan 16 >> Barbara Duncan 51 >> Betsey Duncan 33 >> Donald Duncan 22 >> Robert Duncan 19 >> Barbara Houston 4 Mo >> Isabella Houston 31 >> James Houston 4 >> Peter Houston 31 >> Robert Houston 2 >> Ellen Rosie 15 >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:32:43 +0100 > From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67 > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <a93263dd0806241732g7d1a7b84q412de8c869221cb@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Sorry about the errors I post. > > It is 1.30 am here and I think I will go to my bed now. > > (Lisa if you have this already, pretend you do not, as I think it may > be the first thing I have found correctly.) > > The first post was the 1851 census, the second post was the 1861 > census, forget the Leith bit. > > This is them in 1841 > > Name: Robert Duncan > Age: 1 Mo > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 > Gender: Male > Where born: Orkney and Shetland, Scotland > > Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay St Peters > County: Orkney and Shetland > Address: Burray > Parish Number: 29 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: > Name Age > Barbra Duncan 35 > Betsy Duncan 13 > Donald Duncan 2 > Isabella Duncan 11 > James Duncan 45 > James Duncan 7 > John Duncan 5 > Margaret Duncan 9 > Robert Duncan 1 Mo > William Duncan 15 > Margaret Graem 20 > > Willie > > 2008/6/25 William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: >> This is the family in 1861 In 1851 they were living in Leith Edinburgh >> >> Name: Robert Duncan >> Age: 19 >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 >> Relationship: Son >> Mother's Name: Barbara >> Gender: Male >> Where born: Burray, Orkney >> Registration Number: 29 >> Registration district: South Ronaldsay and Burray >> Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay and Burray >> Town: Burray >> County: Orkney >> Address: Sutherland >> Occupation: Merchant Seaman >> ED: 2B >> Household schedule number: 30 >> Line: 25 >> Roll: CSSCT1861_4 >> Household Members: >> Name Age >> Alexander Duncan 16 >> Barbara Duncan 51 >> Betsey Duncan 33 >> Donald Duncan 22 >> Robert Duncan 19 >> Barbara Houston 4 Mo >> Isabella Houston 31 >> James Houston 4 >> Peter Houston 31 >> Robert Houston 2 >> Ellen Rosie 15 >> >> 2008/6/25 William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: >>> Hi Lisa have you seen this one, >>> >>> Name: Robert Duncan >>> Age: 9 >>> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 >>> Relationship: Nephew >>> Gender: Male >>> Where born: Leith >>> Registration Number: 29 >>> Registration district: South Ronaldsay and Burray >>> Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay and Burray >>> County: Orkney >>> Address: Setherland >>> Occupation: Scholar >>> ED: 12 >>> Household schedule number: 32 >>> Line: 12 >>> Roll: cssct1881_6 >>> Household Members: >>> Name Age >>> Alexander Duncan 6 >>> Alexander Duncan 38 >>> Barbara Duncan 8 >>> Barbara Duncan 76 >>> Donald Duncan 42 >>> Donald Duncan 13 >>> Esther Duncan 42 >>> James Duncan 15 >>> John Duncan 12 >>> Margaret Duncan 4 >>> Margaret Duncan 49 >>> Mary W Duncan 7 >>> Peter Duncan 1 >>> Robert Duncan 9 >>> Robert Duncan 9 >>> William Duncan 17 >>> >>> Willie >>> >>> 2008/6/24 William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: >>>> Hi Lisa >>>> >>>> these were the only two births I could find for a Georgina Scott on >>>> Scotland's People neither in Edinburgh. >>>> >>>> 8 02/05/1845 SCOTT GEORGINA ANDREW SCOTT/MARIANNE LOCKHURST >>>> FR1247 F Hawick /ROXBURGH 789/ 0050 0462 >>>> 9 08/05/1845 SCOTT GEORGINA GEORGE SCOTT/ISABELLA NEILSON >>>> FR727 F Langholm or Staplegorton /DUMFRIES 839/ 0030 0114 >>>> >>>> What about the possibility that she has a corrected entry for her >>>> birth and the surname changed, I know that is what happened to one of >>>> my relatives, how you would find that out I do not know. >>>> >>>> According to Robert jnr's Attestation paper it shows that Georgina was >>>> residing at 45 Dartmouth Rd Brondesbury London England. that was in >>>> June 1917. >>>> >>>> Again according to the Attestation papers, Robert Jnr was in the Scots >>>> Gaurds, based in London for 12 years before going to live in Canada. >>>> It would seem a possibility that Georgina and Robert died in England. >>>> Maybe someone has access to the death records there and be able to >>>> confirm the parents. If you need the Attestation record to confirm the >>>> above let me know. >>>> >>>> Still no information yet re the marriage cert. >>>> >>>> Willie >>>> >>>> 2008/6/24 <orkney-request@rootsweb.com>: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rootsweb handles ONLY plain text messages; therefore, there is no concern for virus infections from a digest, UNLESS you have specifically requested MIME format. >>>>> >>>>> For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>>> >>>>> * Subscribing. Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join ORKNEY-L, send mail to ORKNEY-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join ORKNEY-D, do the same thing with ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com. >>>>> o Subscribe to ORKNEY-L >>>>> o Subscribe to ORKNEY-D (digest) >>>>> * Unsubscribing. To leave ORKNEY-L, send mail to ORKNEY-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave ORKNEY-D, do the same thing with ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com. >>>>> o Unsubscribe from ORKNEY-L >>>>> o Unsubscribe from ORKNEY-D (digest) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Robert Duncan (Joy Moloney) >>>>> 2. Re: Robert Duncan (Lisa Conrad) >>>>> 3. Re: ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 65 (Charlie Petersen) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:56:17 +1000 >>>>> From: "Joy Moloney" <jmo22829@bigpond.net.au> >>>>> Subject: [ORKNEY] Robert Duncan >>>>> To: "Orkney" <orkney@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Message-ID: <5816AD81063945B4B446197EEE886B0B@joy> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>>> reply-type=original >>>>> >>>>> Lisa >>>>> Can you please summarise exactly what we're looking for re Robert Duncan? I >>>>> hate to admit that I'm confused <vbg>. >>>>> >>>>> Joy in freezing Wagga >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:16:12 -0700 >>>>> From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Robert Duncan >>>>> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >>>>> Message-ID: <48602EBC.2020901@earthlink.net> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> Hi Joy! >>>>> (Oh yeah - winter there, eh?) :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, I would surmise you're confused because I think there have been a >>>>> few references to Robert Duncans that aren't the one I am seeking. >>>>> (Easy to do, with a name like that. Kind of like the surname, "Smith"!) >>>>> >>>>> Basically, all I'm looking for is >>>>> - (1) anyone who either has, or can lead me to locating on my own, the >>>>> marriage certificate for Robert Duncan and his wife, Georgina Scott, who >>>>> (according to possibly two of their children's birth certs) seemed to >>>>> have married on 25th Sept. 1866 in "America" (which could have been >>>>> pinned down the Three Rivers, Montreal), >>>>> OR - (2) descendants of this pair, who --if no marriage cert is >>>>> available-- have good knowledge of the accurate marriage date. >>>>> >>>>> I am making an educated guess that Robert Duncan was the son of James >>>>> Duncan and Barbara McDonald of Burray, and was born 16th April 1841. >>>>> >>>>> Georgina Scott's age in the Scotland 1871 Census is "24". I tried to >>>>> seek out her parents (since the 1871 census says she was born in >>>>> Edinburgh), to no avail so far. I found who I think is Georgina in the >>>>> Scotland 1861 and 1851 censuses, though... I was hoping to find her with >>>>> her parents BUT what I found instead (IF THIS IS HER, and I think it >>>>> is), was that [in 1861] she was a Scholar at age "14" at a school in the >>>>> Parish of St. Bernard's, Edinburgh. And when she was age "4" [in 1851] >>>>> she was a Lodger" at a household on 56 High Street in Edinburgh with a >>>>> man named John Watson, his wife Elizabeth and their two daughters. >>>>> Gives me no clue as to who are her parents. >>>>> >>>>> You can read my other emails in this thread for other info? >>>>> >>>>> - Lisa. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:42:55 -0700 >>>>> From: "Charlie Petersen" <charliep@cablespeed.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 65 >>>>> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Message-ID: <004601c8d59b$a294d850$841ceb42@D96VR121> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>>> reply-type=original >>>>> >>>>> Hope it was decent wine, Willie! >>>>> >>>>> Charlie Anne Petersen >>>>> Port Townsend Washington USA >>>>> Descendant of John Laird/Mary Sinclair, both buried in Burray churchyard. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> To contact the ORKNEY list administrator, send an email to >>>>> ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to the ORKNEY mailing list, send an email to ORKNEY@rootsweb.com. >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>>> email with no additional text. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> End of ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67 >>>>> ************************************* >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:44:39 -0700 > From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] DUNCAN SCOTT > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <486194F7.6010301@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > To bed, to bed, Willie! :-) > > No worries about the errors -- welcome to genealogy. > > But now you will think I am just being contrary, as my next email to the > list aims to clarify something you wrote the other day! > > (Now you see why it takes me so long to transcribe stuff... I take all > these side trips trying to verify things from as many records as I can > locate. hhm. I think I might retire to bed too... and pass that bottle > of wine!) > > Best wishes, > Lisa >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:47:25 -0700 > From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] LOUTTIT > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4861959D.4030503@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Willie, > > I just wanted to alert everyone to the below that you mentioned in a > posting on the 22nd June to me- > > ============= > "Also on the cert are South Ronaldsay strays, William Trail Loutit and > Sinclarina Henderson, who were married in March 1871 in Gairth. William > is listed as a seaman." > ============= > > > I think you got this from the 1871 birth register [Leith] for Robert and > Georgina's *2nd* Robert (born in 1817, after their first son Robert had > died). Is that correct? I downloaded that image as well. And to me, it > looks like the register says that couple married in North Leith. > > And in looking at the downloaded 1871 marriage cert for them I bought > (location, Leith), that William Loutit's parents were listed as William > Loutit and his wife, Isabella Craigie. He is age "30, a Bachelor" in > the marriage record, which puts his age approx. 1841. > > The Walt Custer site {IGI listing] has this: > > ===== > William Traill LOUTTET (M)............ C: 20 Oct 1839 > Father: William LOUTTET > Mother: Isabel CRAIGIE > - Rousay And Egilshay, Orkney > ===== > > Which makes this William NOT a So Ronaldsay "Stray". I haven't delved > into the birthplace of Sinclairina Henderson yet, but the 1871 marriage > certificate, plus her death record, has her parents as James Henderson > and his wife, Ann Smith. My guess (?) is that she is not a So. Ron > stray either, alas. > > Just FYI! > > :-) > > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:49:23 -0700 > From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] LOUTTIT > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <48619613.9080505@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > ack - a typo. > I meant "born 1871" not "born in 1817". > > > Time to do something else for a wee while! > > - L. >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:19:50 +0000 > From: ecunningham@att.net > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] DUNCAN/SCOTT marriage > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <062520080119.21656.48619D360007F09D0000549822218801869B0A02D29B9B0EBF030E0809020702029A0C0A@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Lisa and fellow wine tasters (prefer brandy myself!): > RD & GS had another child: Mary Whiteford DUNCAN 20 January 1874 in North Leith. > Opened the wallet to let the moths out and sprung for the credits to check place of marriage and it definitely says: Three Rivers, Montreal 25 Sept 1866 and she signed the book. Place of birth was 62 Prince Regent St., Leith. > > Also, did not see a Robert DUNCAN birth in August 1876 Edinburgh. Did he lie? Tsk, tsk. > ecunningham@att.net > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:08:08 -0700 > From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] DUNCAN/SCOTT marriage > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4861A888.5080601@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Well, will have to send you a virtual dram of Lagavulin (not brandy for > me) to compensate you for freeing the moths in your wallet. > :-) Thank you! > > So, now we have two birth certs that state a marriage date of 25th Sept. > 1866 (one "America"; one "Three Rivers, Montreal"). But I have the 1871 > birth cert for 2nd-born Robert, and the marriage date for his parents on > that certificate is notated as July 30th 1866, [Three Rivers?, > "Canada"]. -- I think Willie may have seen the latter two certs, too. > > I didn't locate the Aug 1876/ Edinburgh birth for a Robert Duncan > either. So either, there is a lie afoot RE: age of that Robert... OR, > the CEF document [attestation paper] does not reference "our" Robert > Duncan Junior. > > (Will tuck the middle name for Mary away in my notes, too. "Whiteford" > could be a clue to Georgina's side of the family - who knows.) > > - Lisa > > ---------------- > > 6/24/08 6:19 PM, > ecunningham@att.net wrote: >> Lisa and fellow wine tasters (prefer brandy myself!): >> RD & GS had another child: Mary Whiteford DUNCAN 20 January 1874 in North Leith. >> Opened the wallet to let the moths out and sprung for the credits to check place of marriage and it definitely says: Three Rivers, Montreal 25 Sept 1866 and she signed the book. Place of birth was 62 Prince Regent St., Leith. >> >> Also, did not see a Robert DUNCAN birth in August 1876 Edinburgh. Did he lie? Tsk, tsk. >> ecunningham@att.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ORKNEY list administrator, send an email to > ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ORKNEY mailing list, send an email to ORKNEY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 69 > ************************************* >

Sorry about the errors I post. It is 1.30 am here and I think I will go to my bed now. (Lisa if you have this already, pretend you do not, as I think it may be the first thing I have found correctly.) The first post was the 1851 census, the second post was the 1861 census, forget the Leith bit. This is them in 1841 Name: Robert Duncan Age: 1 Mo Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Gender: Male Where born: Orkney and Shetland, Scotland Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay St Peters County: Orkney and Shetland Address: Burray Parish Number: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Barbra Duncan 35 Betsy Duncan 13 Donald Duncan 2 Isabella Duncan 11 James Duncan 45 James Duncan 7 John Duncan 5 Margaret Duncan 9 Robert Duncan 1 Mo William Duncan 15 Margaret Graem 20 Willie 2008/6/25 William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: > This is the family in 1861 In 1851 they were living in Leith Edinburgh > > Name: Robert Duncan > Age: 19 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 > Relationship: Son > Mother's Name: Barbara > Gender: Male > Where born: Burray, Orkney > Registration Number: 29 > Registration district: South Ronaldsay and Burray > Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay and Burray > Town: Burray > County: Orkney > Address: Sutherland > Occupation: Merchant Seaman > ED: 2B > Household schedule number: 30 > Line: 25 > Roll: CSSCT1861_4 > Household Members: > Name Age > Alexander Duncan 16 > Barbara Duncan 51 > Betsey Duncan 33 > Donald Duncan 22 > Robert Duncan 19 > Barbara Houston 4 Mo > Isabella Houston 31 > James Houston 4 > Peter Houston 31 > Robert Houston 2 > Ellen Rosie 15 > > 2008/6/25 William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: >> Hi Lisa have you seen this one, >> >> Name: Robert Duncan >> Age: 9 >> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 >> Relationship: Nephew >> Gender: Male >> Where born: Leith >> Registration Number: 29 >> Registration district: South Ronaldsay and Burray >> Civil Parish: South Ronaldsay and Burray >> County: Orkney >> Address: Setherland >> Occupation: Scholar >> ED: 12 >> Household schedule number: 32 >> Line: 12 >> Roll: cssct1881_6 >> Household Members: >> Name Age >> Alexander Duncan 6 >> Alexander Duncan 38 >> Barbara Duncan 8 >> Barbara Duncan 76 >> Donald Duncan 42 >> Donald Duncan 13 >> Esther Duncan 42 >> James Duncan 15 >> John Duncan 12 >> Margaret Duncan 4 >> Margaret Duncan 49 >> Mary W Duncan 7 >> Peter Duncan 1 >> Robert Duncan 9 >> Robert Duncan 9 >> William Duncan 17 >> >> Willie >> >> 2008/6/24 William Sinclair <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com>: >>> Hi Lisa >>> >>> these were the only two births I could find for a Georgina Scott on >>> Scotland's People neither in Edinburgh. >>> >>> 8 02/05/1845 SCOTT GEORGINA ANDREW SCOTT/MARIANNE LOCKHURST >>> FR1247 F Hawick /ROXBURGH 789/ 0050 0462 >>> 9 08/05/1845 SCOTT GEORGINA GEORGE SCOTT/ISABELLA NEILSON >>> FR727 F Langholm or Staplegorton /DUMFRIES 839/ 0030 0114 >>> >>> What about the possibility that she has a corrected entry for her >>> birth and the surname changed, I know that is what happened to one of >>> my relatives, how you would find that out I do not know. >>> >>> According to Robert jnr's Attestation paper it shows that Georgina was >>> residing at 45 Dartmouth Rd Brondesbury London England. that was in >>> June 1917. >>> >>> Again according to the Attestation papers, Robert Jnr was in the Scots >>> Gaurds, based in London for 12 years before going to live in Canada. >>> It would seem a possibility that Georgina and Robert died in England. >>> Maybe someone has access to the death records there and be able to >>> confirm the parents. If you need the Attestation record to confirm the >>> above let me know. >>> >>> Still no information yet re the marriage cert. >>> >>> Willie >>> >>> 2008/6/24 <orkney-request@rootsweb.com>: >>>> >>>> >>>> Rootsweb handles ONLY plain text messages; therefore, there is no concern for virus infections from a digest, UNLESS you have specifically requested MIME format. >>>> >>>> For questions about this list, contact the list administrator at ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> * Subscribing. Clicking on one of the shortcut links below should work, but if your browser doesn't understand them, try these manual instructions: to join ORKNEY-L, send mail to ORKNEY-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. To join ORKNEY-D, do the same thing with ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com. >>>> o Subscribe to ORKNEY-L >>>> o Subscribe to ORKNEY-D (digest) >>>> * Unsubscribing. To leave ORKNEY-L, send mail to ORKNEY-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave ORKNEY-D, do the same thing with ORKNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com. >>>> o Unsubscribe from ORKNEY-L >>>> o Unsubscribe from ORKNEY-D (digest) >>>> >>>> >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Robert Duncan (Joy Moloney) >>>> 2. Re: Robert Duncan (Lisa Conrad) >>>> 3. Re: ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 65 (Charlie Petersen) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:56:17 +1000 >>>> From: "Joy Moloney" <jmo22829@bigpond.net.au> >>>> Subject: [ORKNEY] Robert Duncan >>>> To: "Orkney" <orkney@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <5816AD81063945B4B446197EEE886B0B@joy> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Lisa >>>> Can you please summarise exactly what we're looking for re Robert Duncan? I >>>> hate to admit that I'm confused <vbg>. >>>> >>>> Joy in freezing Wagga >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:16:12 -0700 >>>> From: Lisa Conrad <nisus00@earthlink.net> >>>> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Robert Duncan >>>> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <48602EBC.2020901@earthlink.net> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Hi Joy! >>>> (Oh yeah - winter there, eh?) :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I would surmise you're confused because I think there have been a >>>> few references to Robert Duncans that aren't the one I am seeking. >>>> (Easy to do, with a name like that. Kind of like the surname, "Smith"!) >>>> >>>> Basically, all I'm looking for is >>>> - (1) anyone who either has, or can lead me to locating on my own, the >>>> marriage certificate for Robert Duncan and his wife, Georgina Scott, who >>>> (according to possibly two of their children's birth certs) seemed to >>>> have married on 25th Sept. 1866 in "America" (which could have been >>>> pinned down the Three Rivers, Montreal), >>>> OR - (2) descendants of this pair, who --if no marriage cert is >>>> available-- have good knowledge of the accurate marriage date. >>>> >>>> I am making an educated guess that Robert Duncan was the son of James >>>> Duncan and Barbara McDonald of Burray, and was born 16th April 1841. >>>> >>>> Georgina Scott's age in the Scotland 1871 Census is "24". I tried to >>>> seek out her parents (since the 1871 census says she was born in >>>> Edinburgh), to no avail so far. I found who I think is Georgina in the >>>> Scotland 1861 and 1851 censuses, though... I was hoping to find her with >>>> her parents BUT what I found instead (IF THIS IS HER, and I think it >>>> is), was that [in 1861] she was a Scholar at age "14" at a school in the >>>> Parish of St. Bernard's, Edinburgh. And when she was age "4" [in 1851] >>>> she was a Lodger" at a household on 56 High Street in Edinburgh with a >>>> man named John Watson, his wife Elizabeth and their two daughters. >>>> Gives me no clue as to who are her parents. >>>> >>>> You can read my other emails in this thread for other info? >>>> >>>> - Lisa. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:42:55 -0700 >>>> From: "Charlie Petersen" <charliep@cablespeed.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 65 >>>> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <004601c8d59b$a294d850$841ceb42@D96VR121> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Hope it was decent wine, Willie! >>>> >>>> Charlie Anne Petersen >>>> Port Townsend Washington USA >>>> Descendant of John Laird/Mary Sinclair, both buried in Burray churchyard. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To contact the ORKNEY list administrator, send an email to >>>> ORKNEY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> To post a message to the ORKNEY mailing list, send an email to ORKNEY@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>>> email with no additional text. >>>> >>>> >>>> End of ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67 >>>> ************************************* >>>> >>> >> >