Hi everyone. I am getting a bit confused at the moment regarding my Grt Grt Grandfather John Sinclair and his daughter to Jane (Jean) Davidson. Barbara Sinclair was born 27 May 1872 at Herston South Ronaldsay I have a marriage of Barbara C Sinclair to William Mowat Stout on 16 Jan 1902 at Salwick Brims. (Statutory Marriages 032/01 0001). The age of Barbara is slightly out as it gives age 27 on the marriage cert as she would have been about 29. Barbara was residing at Salwick at the time of the marriage. I can find no record on Scotlands people for a marriage between a Barbara Sinclair and a William Mowat. I have found a Barbara Sinclair age about 1875 living at Salwick on the 1901 Census, she is living at the same address as William Mowat. Now the registrar could have made an error perhaps on the marriage cert, the witness to the marriage is given as, Mary Alice Stout. The parents of Barbara on the cert are John Sinclair and Jannet Davidson. Barbara's birth cert has no middle initial (C) on it (Statutory Births 029/00 0045) I have the following MI from Osmundwall, Walls In loving memory of our dear father WILLIAM MOWAT who died at the Haven, Brims 16th Oct 1934 aged 72 years. Also our dear mother BARBARA SINCLAIR who died 17th Nov 1938 aged 65 years and our uncle JOHN SWANSON who died at Whitehouse, Brims 16th Oct 1939 aged 75 years. Also EDWARD LAUGHTON beloved husband of CHRISTINA MOWAT who died 18th June 1942 aged 35 years. Erected by the family. Note that it does not say William Mowat Stout. Note no mention of father John Sinclair who was dead by then. John Sinclair my grt grt Grandfather, died 19 Dec 1916 at Salwick Brims, (Statutory Deaths 032/01 0013), the informant is William Mowat (no Stout indicated), that being the case it would appear that he may have went to live at Salwick with his daughter Barbara sometime after. It could have been after his wife Jane (Jean) died in Herston in 1915. I have not been able to find a MI for either John or Jane. What I am hoping to find is any information that this William Mowat Stout and William Mowat are one and the same person, similarly that this is the correct Barbara Sinclair, my grt grt Aunt, the daughter of John Sinclair and Jane (Jean, Jannet) Davidson and if anyone has an indication of where they may have been buried. William Sinclair

Hi William, I was checking my file and I too have a William Mowat Stout married to a Barbara Sinclair Jan 16, 1902. But it appears in my file that Stout is actually his last name. His parents are Sutherland Stout and Helen Mowat Swanson from Walls. Sutherland is my gg Uncle. The Mary Alice Stout you mention as the witness would then be William's first cousin, daughter of my gg grandfather Benjamin Stout. I don't know if this helps you any or not, but I hope so. Lori In a message dated 7/20/2008 4:06:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com writes: Hi everyone. I am getting a bit confused at the moment regarding my Grt Grt Grandfather John Sinclair and his daughter to Jane (Jean) Davidson. Barbara Sinclair was born 27 May 1872 at Herston South Ronaldsay I have a marriage of Barbara C Sinclair to William Mowat Stout on 16 Jan 1902 at Salwick Brims. (Statutory Marriages 032/01 0001). The age of Barbara is slightly out as it gives age 27 on the marriage cert as she would have been about 29. Barbara was residing at Salwick at the time of the marriage. I can find no record on Scotlands people for a marriage between a Barbara Sinclair and a William Mowat. I have found a Barbara Sinclair age about 1875 living at Salwick on the 1901 Census, she is living at the same address as William Mowat. Now the registrar could have made an error perhaps on the marriage cert, the witness to the marriage is given as, Mary Alice Stout. The parents of Barbara on the cert are John Sinclair and Jannet Davidson. Barbara's birth cert has no middle initial (C) on it (Statutory Births 029/00 0045) I have the following MI from Osmundwall, Walls In loving memory of our dear father WILLIAM MOWAT who died at the Haven, Brims 16th Oct 1934 aged 72 years. Also our dear mother BARBARA SINCLAIR who died 17th Nov 1938 aged 65 years and our uncle JOHN SWANSON who died at Whitehouse, Brims 16th Oct 1939 aged 75 years. Also EDWARD LAUGHTON beloved husband of CHRISTINA MOWAT who died 18th June 1942 aged 35 years. Erected by the family. Note that it does not say William Mowat Stout. Note no mention of father John Sinclair who was dead by then. John Sinclair my grt grt Grandfather, died 19 Dec 1916 at Salwick Brims, (Statutory Deaths 032/01 0013), the informant is William Mowat (no Stout indicated), that being the case it would appear that he may have went to live at Salwick with his daughter Barbara sometime after. It could have been after his wife Jane (Jean) died in Herston in 1915. I have not been able to find a MI for either John or Jane. What I am hoping to find is any information that this William Mowat Stout and William Mowat are one and the same person, similarly that this is the correct Barbara Sinclair, my grt grt Aunt, the daughter of John Sinclair and Jane (Jean, Jannet) Davidson and if anyone has an indication of where they may have been buried. William Sinclair ------------------ List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Hi David What an epic challenge you set yourself ...... well done. It's nice to see familiar headstones and homes of relatives in the distance. Ahhhhhhhh .... I'm having withdrawal symtoms because we didn't make it up this year :-( Heather > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:41:03 -0700> To: orkney@rootsweb.com> From: davidpalmquist@dccnet.com> Subject: [ORKNEY] Flotta> > This may be of interest to those with roots on Flotta. I photographed > most of the gravemarkers in Flotta Kirkyard in May. You can view them here.> http://flickr.com/photos/74689067@N00/sets/72157605868935838/> > I put names on the ones I could read, but there are a few where I > couldn't make them out well. Those you may be able to see them > better than I could, if you download the large version of the image > and then fiddle with lighting and contrast.> > I have two other Flickr.com sets for Flotta:> > Go here for James Hay's tunebook. He was my great-great-grandfather, > and was the Society schoolteacher for 45 years in the mid 1800s.> > For scenes of Flotta outside the kirkyard, go > here: http://flickr.com/photos/74689067@N00/sets/72157605471991075/> > Eventually I'll post the gravestones to my own webpage, but they'll > sit on Flickr at least until my current subscription runs out.> > > David Palmquist,> Delta, BC> Interests:> Hay, Simpson, Gerrick, Garrioch, Sclater, Halcro, Swanson, Ritch, > Johnston, Wild> O'Neill, Calvert, Hartley, McClung, Hair, Hope, Christie, Stevenson> > ========== ============ =============> Check out http://ellingtonweb.ca> ========== ============ =============> from www.BuyOrkney.com> > > On one of the hottest August days of 1975, I came on an American > friend at the Pier Head reading his newspeper headline, and loud with > merriment - 'Orkney swelters in 75 degree heat wave'.> George Mackay Brown Under Brinkies Brae 1979 Re-printed 2006> > > Although Kirkwall is a place of considerable trade, yet there is no > quay at the harbour! No, not so much as a little pier at which a boat > may load! Passengers from the adjacent islands must either leap into > the sea, or be carried ashore on men's shoulders! It is to be hoped > that so great a deficiency will not long be overlooked.> Patrick Neill A Tour Through Some of the Islands of Orkney > and Shetland 1806> > ========== ============ ============= ========== > ============ =============> Be kinder than necessary,for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.> ========== ============ ============= ==========> It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply be kind to others.> ========== ============ ============= ========> > ------------------> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at:> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Invite your Facebook friends to chat on Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719649/direct/01/

This may be of interest to those with roots on Flotta. I photographed most of the gravemarkers in Flotta Kirkyard in May. You can view them here. http://flickr.com/photos/74689067@N00/sets/72157605868935838/ I put names on the ones I could read, but there are a few where I couldn't make them out well. Those you may be able to see them better than I could, if you download the large version of the image and then fiddle with lighting and contrast. I have two other Flickr.com sets for Flotta: Go here for James Hay's tunebook. He was my great-great-grandfather, and was the Society schoolteacher for 45 years in the mid 1800s. For scenes of Flotta outside the kirkyard, go here: http://flickr.com/photos/74689067@N00/sets/72157605471991075/ Eventually I'll post the gravestones to my own webpage, but they'll sit on Flickr at least until my current subscription runs out. David Palmquist, Delta, BC Interests: Hay, Simpson, Gerrick, Garrioch, Sclater, Halcro, Swanson, Ritch, Johnston, Wild O'Neill, Calvert, Hartley, McClung, Hair, Hope, Christie, Stevenson ========== ============ ============= Check out http://ellingtonweb.ca ========== ============ ============= from www.BuyOrkney.com On one of the hottest August days of 1975, I came on an American friend at the Pier Head reading his newspeper headline, and loud with merriment - 'Orkney swelters in 75 degree heat wave'. George Mackay Brown Under Brinkies Brae 1979 Re-printed 2006 Although Kirkwall is a place of considerable trade, yet there is no quay at the harbour! No, not so much as a little pier at which a boat may load! Passengers from the adjacent islands must either leap into the sea, or be carried ashore on men's shoulders! It is to be hoped that so great a deficiency will not long be overlooked. Patrick Neill A Tour Through Some of the Islands of Orkney and Shetland 1806 ========== ============ ============= ========== ============ ============= Be kinder than necessary,for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. ========== ============ ============= ========== It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply be kind to others. ========== ============ ============= ========

I have already made enquiries about the History of Halcros on the Caithness and Shetland Rootsweb Lists. I received information about a History of Halcros document written by Sandy Annal. I contacted the Orkney Family History Society but they could not trace this document. Can anyone on this list help? I was also enquiring about suggestions that Rattars from Caithness took over the Halcro lands in Orkney, in the 1400s, and also took the Halcro name. Does anyone have any knowledge of that claim? My Halcro(w)s are thought to have moved from Orkney to Shetland in the 1500s. Best wishes, Jim Halcrow

Hello, The info that you provided will no doubt be of interest to someone but I was going to ask you for the reference in case there was other useful info [for me, at least] from this source. Finally, tho', I saw a reference near the end of your e-mail: TNA_Catalogue_Reference: BT 27/1146. For me it would have been helpful if I knew where this reference came from and what time period that it covered. However I did find the source and the following reference will help others: I now know it will not be of any use for me to trace my Leith ancestors who left S. Ronaldsay in the early 1870's. Thank you, William, for leading me to this reference from The National Archives that is cited online at: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=6&CATID=3172754&j=1 I wouldn't have known about the "Outwards passenger lists" otherwise! ======================================================== Piece details BT 27/766 BT Records of the Board of Trade and of successor and related bodies Division within BT Records of the Commercial, Companies, Labour, Railways and Statistics Departments BT 27 Board of Trade: Commercial and Statistical Department and successors: Outwards Passenger Lists Record Summary Scope and content: Outwards passenger lists Covering dates: c1890-1960 Availability: Open Document, Open Description, Open Immediately, 3 working days notice to produce Held by: The National Archives, Kew ========================================================= Roger Leith Cockerline Guelph, ON, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] James M Sinclair St Margarets Hope > Hi All > > I found this information and thought it might be useful to someone. > > Count: 20108 > Official_Number: 148765 > Departure_Date: 1927-06-16 > Contract_Ticket_No: 0 > Title: > Passenger_Surname: Sinclair > Passenger_Name_s: James M > Date_of_Birth: 0000-00-00 > Organised_Group: Hudson's Bay Company > Travel_Agent: > Gender: Male > Marital_Status: > Name_of_Building: Strathrale? > Sub_Street_Number: > Sub_Street_Name: > House_Number: > Street_Name: Burray > Urban_District_or_Village: St Margaret's Hope > Town_City_or_Island: Orkney > County: Orkney > Type_of_Passenger: British > Class_of_Passage: First > Destination_Port: Montreal > Occupation: Apprentice Clerk > Age_Category: Male over 12 > Age: 20.000 > Country_of_Birth: Not stated > Origin_Country: Scotland > Destination_Country: Canada > Journey_Cancelled: 0 > Country_of_which_subject: Not stated > Port_of_Arrival_in_UK: > Steamship_Line_to_UK: > Notes: > > The ship details: > > Ships_Name: Bayrupert > Official_Number: 148765 > Steamship_Line: Hudson's Bay Company > Masters_Name: Thomas F. Smellie > Registered_Tonnage: 2414 > Passenger_Footage: 0 > Number_of_Statute_Adults: 0 > Where_Bound: Montreal > Provisions_for_Adults: 100 > Provision_days: 180 > Departure_date: 1927-06-16 > Date_signed: 1927-06-16 > Dock: > Port_of_Embarkation: Ardrossan > TNA_Catalogue_Reference: BT 27/1146 > Notes: Owned by the Hudson's Bay Company > Original_Port_of_Departure: > Number_of_Statute_Passengers_from_This_Port: 0 > > William Sinclair > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.9/1548 - Release Date: 7/12/2008 > 7:40 AM > > >

Hi All I found this information and thought it might be useful to someone. Count: 20108 Official_Number: 148765 Departure_Date: 1927-06-16 Contract_Ticket_No: 0 Title: Passenger_Surname: Sinclair Passenger_Name_s: James M Date_of_Birth: 0000-00-00 Organised_Group: Hudson's Bay Company Travel_Agent: Gender: Male Marital_Status: Name_of_Building: Strathrale? Sub_Street_Number: Sub_Street_Name: House_Number: Street_Name: Burray Urban_District_or_Village: St Margaret's Hope Town_City_or_Island: Orkney County: Orkney Type_of_Passenger: British Class_of_Passage: First Destination_Port: Montreal Occupation: Apprentice Clerk Age_Category: Male over 12 Age: 20.000 Country_of_Birth: Not stated Origin_Country: Scotland Destination_Country: Canada Journey_Cancelled: 0 Country_of_which_subject: Not stated Port_of_Arrival_in_UK: Steamship_Line_to_UK: Notes: The ship details: Ships_Name: Bayrupert Official_Number: 148765 Steamship_Line: Hudson's Bay Company Masters_Name: Thomas F. Smellie Registered_Tonnage: 2414 Passenger_Footage: 0 Number_of_Statute_Adults: 0 Where_Bound: Montreal Provisions_for_Adults: 100 Provision_days: 180 Departure_date: 1927-06-16 Date_signed: 1927-06-16 Dock: Port_of_Embarkation: Ardrossan TNA_Catalogue_Reference: BT 27/1146 Notes: Owned by the Hudson's Bay Company Original_Port_of_Departure: Number_of_Statute_Passengers_from_This_Port: 0 William Sinclair

Hi Bruce - I know its a bit of a long shot but I am most interested in GORRIE and wonder if we have any connections My grandmother was Margaret McDonald Weir GORRIE born 14 Feb 1895 Edinburgh her parents were David Smeaton GORRIE & Elizabeth McDONALD David Smeaton GORRIE's parents were David GORRIE & Margaret Graham WEIR and I am afraid thats as much as a know Any help anyone can give me would be most welcome Many Thanks Shyama Peebles Hong Kong

Elaine, While I have not got any data on your Isaac I have 'some' information on the family of John Wilson, born 1833 and died after 1907, who married Grace Smith Cantley. He was a son of John Wilson and Isabella Mill. This is a somewhat sideways link to my main interests so I haven't done too much work on it! Please get in touch off line if you want more details. Bruce Gorie Edinburgh & Orkney On 06/07/2008, mattse165 <mattse165@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > Hi George I would like a membership form sent to me as well > my interest are: > > Isaac Wilson (mariner) son of Isabella Mill(s) and John Wilson from Walls > and Flotta. > Elaine (maiden name Wilson) > Hastings > NZ > Wine and fruit country of NZ > > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dave With the help of some friends from another forum I have found out the following information. Alexander does not appear to be registered as a master. The Janet was on essentially "local" service. Unlike foreign service ships, they did not have to file a crewlist every time they left a port. They used the same list for 6 months and were supposed to record crew changes as they happened. They would then file at the end of six months. This results in, if accurate records are not kept, a sailor being on two ships at the same time. >From Lloyds War Losses (Page 311). The entry in the Lloyd's ledger was made on 15th January 1919 and simply says - "Missing - Janet (sailing vessel) 74t net - Leith November 4th to Kirkwall (coal)" This makes it almost certain that nothing was ever found of the ship - anything found would have led to another amended entry. It is reckoned that she was probably lost in a marine accident but a mine is always a possibility. "A check on the weather map for 4/11/18 shows a full blown Atlantic storm moving SE, with the center located NW of Scotland, barometric pressure already down to 980 MB over the Orkneys, which makes a strong case for Janet being lost in heavy weather." 4 entries for crew of the Janet as follows: Seaman JAMES BURGHES MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, age 17, (Papa Stronsay). Mate JOHN GUTHRIE MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, age 31, (Burray). Master ALEXANDER SINCLAIR MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, age 31, (South Ronaldsay). Seaman HENRY STEVENSON MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, age 17, Westray. So it looks as if John Guthrie was the mate when Alexander was Master - perhaps he was a qualified Master too and took charge when Alexander couldn't do a trip? I thought there may have been a story about it somewhere. Willie Sinclair 2008/7/8 David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au>: > G'day William, > > The majority of the "Crew Agreements" for British registered ships were acquired by the Maritime History Archive at Memorial University, St John's, Newfoundland. < http://www.mun.ca/mha/ > > > These records allow you to trace the career, voyage by voyage, as the Crew Agreements list the name and date of the previous voyage. The Agreements give details of the sailor such as age and place of birth, rank and rate of pay, date signing on etc. Other information on the Agreements includes details of the ship, its owners, where it was licensed to sail (for insurance purposes), and on the back page, the stamp of the Harbour Master or British Consul for each port where the ship docked. > > I used these records in the pre-internet days so I can't comment on the Archives current standard of service or cost. However they allowed me to succeed in tracing my Great Grandfather, Asmus Kunde, back voyage by voyage until he first signed on as a seaman while his ship was docked in Hamburg. A subsequent search of the available Hamburg records gave me his full date of birth and his parish of birth in Holstein. They also allowed me to prove that my Orcadian Great Great Grandfather, Alexander Stewart, and his elder brother, John, were in Limerick at the time of Alexander's marriage (John was a witness on the marriage certificate). This information allowed me to prove that the Mary Kerly or Cairley of Orcadian records was the Mary Kirby of Limerick. > > Hope this helps > > David Armstrong > Maylands, > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Sinclair > To: orkney@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:20 AM > Subject: [ORKNEY] Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair > > > I had previously asked for information on Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair who was lost at sea and has his grave marked as 06 Nov 1918 lost at sea as the date of his death. Unfortunately I did not get any > information. > > I have since learned that he was on the Schooner Janet of Kirkwall which was 74 tons, official number 89,021 Sinclair master. The schooner had sailed from Leith with a cargo of coal on 04 Nov 1918. > > I wonder if any one has any information about the schooner, or if this triggers something that can shed more information on Alexander. > > William Sinclair. > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not my families but very interesting- thanks Willie Sinclair- Thomson in PEI Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Sinclair" <sensiblegrandad@googlemail.com> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair - Crew Agreements > Hi Dave > > With the help of some friends from another forum I have found out the > following information. > > Alexander does not appear to be registered as a master. The Janet was > on essentially "local" service. Unlike foreign service ships, they did > not have to file a crewlist every time they left a port. They used the > same list for 6 months and were supposed to record crew changes as > they happened. They would then file at the end of six months. This > results in, if accurate records are not kept, a sailor being on two > ships at the same time. >>From Lloyds War Losses (Page 311). The entry in the Lloyd's ledger was > made on 15th January 1919 and simply says - > > "Missing - Janet (sailing vessel) 74t net - Leith November 4th to > Kirkwall (coal)" > > This makes it almost certain that nothing was ever found of the ship - > anything found would have led to another amended entry. It is reckoned > that she was probably lost in a marine accident but a mine is always a > possibility. > > "A check on the weather map for 4/11/18 shows a full blown Atlantic > storm moving SE, with the center located NW of Scotland, barometric > pressure already down to 980 MB over the Orkneys, which makes a strong > case for Janet being lost in heavy weather." > > > 4 entries for crew of the Janet as follows: > > Seaman JAMES BURGHES MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, age > 17, (Papa Stronsay). > Mate JOHN GUTHRIE MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, age 31, > (Burray). > Master ALEXANDER SINCLAIR MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, > age 31, (South Ronaldsay). > Seaman HENRY STEVENSON MM, Schooner Janet, after 6th November 1918, > age 17, Westray. > > So it looks as if John Guthrie was the mate when Alexander was Master > - perhaps he was a qualified Master too and took charge when Alexander > couldn't do a trip? > > I thought there may have been a story about it somewhere. > > Willie Sinclair > > 2008/7/8 David Armstrong <davidrli@iinet.net.au>: >> G'day William, >> >> The majority of the "Crew Agreements" for British registered ships were >> acquired by the Maritime History Archive at Memorial University, St >> John's, Newfoundland. < http://www.mun.ca/mha/ > >> >> These records allow you to trace the career, voyage by voyage, as the >> Crew Agreements list the name and date of the previous voyage. The >> Agreements give details of the sailor such as age and place of birth, >> rank and rate of pay, date signing on etc. Other information on the >> Agreements includes details of the ship, its owners, where it was >> licensed to sail (for insurance purposes), and on the back page, the >> stamp of the Harbour Master or British Consul for each port where the >> ship docked. >> >> I used these records in the pre-internet days so I can't comment on the >> Archives current standard of service or cost. However they allowed me to >> succeed in tracing my Great Grandfather, Asmus Kunde, back voyage by >> voyage until he first signed on as a seaman while his ship was docked in >> Hamburg. A subsequent search of the available Hamburg records gave me >> his full date of birth and his parish of birth in Holstein. They also >> allowed me to prove that my Orcadian Great Great Grandfather, Alexander >> Stewart, and his elder brother, John, were in Limerick at the time of >> Alexander's marriage (John was a witness on the marriage certificate). >> This information allowed me to prove that the Mary Kerly or Cairley of >> Orcadian records was the Mary Kirby of Limerick. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> David Armstrong >> Maylands, >> Western Australia >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: William Sinclair >> To: orkney@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:20 AM >> Subject: [ORKNEY] Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair >> >> >> I had previously asked for information on Alexander Hassock (Hossack) >> Sinclair who was lost at sea and has his grave marked as 06 Nov 1918 lost >> at sea as the date of his death. Unfortunately I did not get any >> information. >> >> I have since learned that he was on the Schooner Janet of Kirkwall which >> was 74 tons, official number 89,021 Sinclair master. The schooner had >> sailed from Leith with a cargo of coal on 04 Nov 1918. >> >> I wonder if any one has any information about the schooner, or if this >> triggers something that can shed more information on Alexander. >> >> William Sinclair. >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

G'day William, The majority of the "Crew Agreements" for British registered ships were acquired by the Maritime History Archive at Memorial University, St John's, Newfoundland. < http://www.mun.ca/mha/ > These records allow you to trace the career, voyage by voyage, as the Crew Agreements list the name and date of the previous voyage. The Agreements give details of the sailor such as age and place of birth, rank and rate of pay, date signing on etc. Other information on the Agreements includes details of the ship, its owners, where it was licensed to sail (for insurance purposes), and on the back page, the stamp of the Harbour Master or British Consul for each port where the ship docked. I used these records in the pre-internet days so I can't comment on the Archives current standard of service or cost. However they allowed me to succeed in tracing my Great Grandfather, Asmus Kunde, back voyage by voyage until he first signed on as a seaman while his ship was docked in Hamburg. A subsequent search of the available Hamburg records gave me his full date of birth and his parish of birth in Holstein. They also allowed me to prove that my Orcadian Great Great Grandfather, Alexander Stewart, and his elder brother, John, were in Limerick at the time of Alexander's marriage (John was a witness on the marriage certificate). This information allowed me to prove that the Mary Kerly or Cairley of Orcadian records was the Mary Kirby of Limerick. Hope this helps David Armstrong Maylands, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: William Sinclair To: orkney@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:20 AM Subject: [ORKNEY] Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair I had previously asked for information on Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair who was lost at sea and has his grave marked as 06 Nov 1918 lost at sea as the date of his death. Unfortunately I did not get any information. I have since learned that he was on the Schooner Janet of Kirkwall which was 74 tons, official number 89,021 Sinclair master. The schooner had sailed from Leith with a cargo of coal on 04 Nov 1918. I wonder if any one has any information about the schooner, or if this triggers something that can shed more information on Alexander. William Sinclair.

Hi List I had previously asked for information on Alexander Hassock (Hossack) Sinclair who was lost at sea and has his grave marked as 06 Nov 1918 lost at sea as the date of his death. Unfortunately I did not get any information. I have since learned that he was on the Schooner Janet of Kirkwall which was 74 tons, official number 89,021 Sinclair master. The schooner had sailed from Leith with a cargo of coal on 04 Nov 1918. The master who sailed this ship just before Alexander was a John Guthrie. I wonder if any one has any information about the schooner, or if this triggers something that can shed more information on Alexander. I am hoping that the person who bought the Sinclair Bible sometime ago still has it and if he could get in touch with me regarding it. William Sinclair.

Hi George I would like a membership form sent to me as well my interest are: Isaac Wilson (mariner) son of Isabella Mill(s) and John Wilson from Walls and Flotta. Elaine (maiden name Wilson) Hastings NZ Wine and fruit country of NZ

Hi there I think I have missed the initial message re Flotta and Walls ...... can I be enlightened please? My mother-in-law.s family came from Flotta ..... several connections with Barnett, MacKay families etc. Heather > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:10:11 +1200> From: mattse165@paradise.net.nz> To: orkney@rootsweb.com> Subject: [ORKNEY] ORKNEY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 76 membership form> > Message: 1> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:15:32 +0100> > George Gray, Orkney Family History Society> > Hi George> I have read your reply to Jane and I also would like a membership form as my > WILSON family originally started from Walls and Flotta.> Elaine (nee Wilson)> > > ------------------> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing and UnSubscribing can be found at:> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ 100’s of Nikon cameras to be won with Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719808/direct/01/

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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:15:32 +0100 George Gray, Orkney Family History Society Hi George I have read your reply to Jane and I also would like a membership form as my WILSON family originally started from Walls and Flotta. Elaine (nee Wilson)

The Index listing of the following 1878 marriage was posted to the Ayrshire List a few hours ago. I asked Irene if she'd allow me to forward it to the Orkney List, she went the extra mile and transcribed the marriage notice from the Ardrossan and Saltcoats Herald for me to post. These families are not ones I'm researching so I don't know anything further about either of them. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA [with major thanks to Irene] =============== This notice of marriage appeared in the Ardrossan & Saltcoats Herald, in the issue of 15th June, 1878. At the West Free Church Manse, Kilbirnie, on the 7th inst., by the Rev. Alex. Davidson, Wm. Mackie, clerk, Kilbirnie, to Mary, daughter of Mr. John Spence, farmer, Sandwick, Orkney. =================

As far as I can tell, the address is OK. As an alternative, go to the website of the Manitoba Historical Society, at http://www.mhs.mb.ca/, go to the left-hand column, the second link from the bottom (Manitoba biographies), and search there for Bannatyne, or anyone else of interest. Mavis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blake" <rballan@shaw.ca> To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] South Ronaldsay strays--Bannatyne > something wrong with website address Blake > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mavis Gray" <Mavis_Gray@umanitoba.ca> > To: <orkney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:07 PM > Subject: Re: [ORKNEY] South Ronaldsay strays--Bannatyne > > >> Andrew Bannatyne is a well-known historical figure here in Winnipeg -- >> see >> http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/people/bannatyne_agb.shtml >> >> Mavis Gray >> Winnipeg >> >> >>> William Sinclair wrote: >>>> Hi Lisa found this stray, (I hope) He became an MP in the Canadian >>>> Parliament. >>>> >>>> BANNATYNE, Andrew Graham Ballenden >>>> Picture not available >>>> Picture not available >>>> Date of Birth (yyyy.mm.dd): 1829.10.31 >>>> Place of Birth: South Ronalshay, Orkney Islands, Scotland >>>> Deceased Date (yyyy.mm.dd): 1889.05.18 (59 years old) >>>> Occupation: Fur trader, merchant >>>> Political Affiliation: >>>> >>>> * Liberal Party of Canada >>>> (1874.01.22 - ) >>>> >>>> Federal Political Experience >>>> Years of Service: 1266 Days (3 years, 5 months, 18 days) >>>> ^ House of Commons >>>> Constituency Date of Election (yyyy.mm.dd) Result >>>> Provencher, Manitoba 1875.03.31 Elected >>>> Selkirk, Manitoba 1874.01.22 Defeated >>>> ^ Caucus >>>> Party Term (yyyy.mm.dd) >>>> Liberal Party of Canada 1875.03.31 - 1878.08.16 >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------ >>> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >>> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >>> >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> ------------------ >> List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing >> and UnSubscribing can be found at: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------ > List Archives, information on contacting list administrator, Subscribing > and UnSubscribing can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/ORKNEY.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ORKNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Listers, I am sorry about my last email but I did not realise that it was a rootsweb query and had meant for it to go direct to Jane. However, now that I have read it, it seems a good advert for the Orkney Family History Society ! George R Gray, Orkney Family History Society. The Orkney Family History Society is a Registered Charity in Scotland SCO 26205