well, good readers, this is a good lesson for all in tracking down kin in early PA when the records are sparse. I am sending it to all ORIGINAL-13 as think there is some value, educationally as well as genealogically. If this is either too boring or deemed inappropriate, I will e-mail henceforth privately....erik p. conard, author... Now, the plot thickens...according to your new finds.. This Catherine Cunread (don't worry 'bout spelling) ---is a grand daughter of a member of Penn's sailing from England to PA at any early date. Comment. Penn made several voyages, and perhaps they might be checked out, I know this is a lateral move to seek candidates, and it is time consuming, but that is why we call this stuff "research." LOL...attempt at humor. ---is a grand daughter of a member of Penn's sailing...on her MOTHERs side....This would mean not a KUNDERS, CUNREAD, or what have you, and more than likely a wife of said Cunread, whose daughter married an Anthony Cunread or else the wife of Anthony...and not named Cunread...so, who was this Anthony's wife? There are not too many candidates for this, so let us begin to sort them out... This Anthony COULD be a son of Madtis Conders, the second son of Thones Kunders, for we do not know if he had issue; we do know he married late in life, the woman was named Ann ____, and she died in 1777 in Loudoun Co, VA. We do not know if this Anthony had been previously wed...or had issue...so we cannot rule out positively the Kunders descent although it is still dubious. Grandmother on her mother's side does not give us any room for a Cunread/Kunders claim at all...so, back to the drawing board. write anytime. Erik P Conard