I founded the EDBALLNJ list about 10 years ago. Flurry of activity for 18 months, then it almost died (it still exists). How about posting again exactly who we are talking about (just who are the original 13?). I joined the list about 6 weeks ago. I can post what I have, but I need to know about whom. Regarding intemarriag. Very good thing to talk about. Since my grandmother (Orpha Kulp Clemmer 1903-1963) was from Montgomery Co, she is, therefore I am, descended from Kolb 6 times, Cassel 5 times, Swartz 3 times, Rittenhouse twice. Is Op de Graeff one of the 13? I'm also from them 5 times. Question regarding the Crefelders. I have info on them that a researcher gave me about 10 years ago that I haven't used because a lot of them are not my direct ancestors. Is it worth posting? Michel