HI VINCE!!!! I had No clue you didn't know the connections with MOST of the original-13, It is My main Maternal father's side. It Started out as a Medical journey, to finding such wonderful History.. That I just became so ADDICTED that, This is what I do, for Free for Fee's, for exchange.... One way or another, Any familiy menber in it with Zimmerman PRIOR to 1700, Has Zimmerman Blood, and May only have a Female with noi last name... Much of the line is on my page, In some cases Users must type or copy and paste the URL into your Browser.. Doesn't fail many but I figured out another solution.. There is no Grand Details, but names Dates and places, and YES to all of the list, even they went to Ohio, My Grandfather's direct line does NOT have a connection in my direct , they all stayed in Berks and Mong county.. I have information for anyone who would like to know about it.. And I have MANY sources, even the earliest Zimmermans are in Van Fossen, Suppllee, Dehaven, Luckens, tyson, Stackhouse I THINK Opde Graeff is after 1700, but you can almost name one line, and I have the connection Including the information regarding the connection between them and Daniel Pastorious. Glad to see more getting that far... If you would like information I have in my notes and quotes and wills, Email me at [email protected] I have AIM/AOL sn is GenlinkZ {{{{{{{{{{{ Welocme to the family Vince}}}}}}}}}}} Email me who and what you have and I will put you in the right line. the next arrivals where 1706, then the migration of 1730's and 4o's.. there is a Zimmerman/FORNEY group that is not related at all, and there is also a Zimmerman Carpenter line , mostly in PA, that are a Swiss line, so Timing means everything with this bunch... and I recomend NOT Joing the Magister Zimmerman line, WHICH I am a part of Until you know if you have this family, Many of my Zimmerman seeking friends have been Misled bye one person for over two years... and I would not like to see it happen to anyone else.. Thanks, Ask away, that's what i do <G> Cali Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:05:27 -0700 [email protected] writes: Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.