Hang on , Don't jump the gun.... If anyone needs Decendant information for Johan Jacob Zimmerman ( who died in rotterdam in 1693) His three sons, wife and daughter arrived in PA in 1694.. Mathias, Jacob Christopher My Line} and Philip Christian. The sister who's monther's name is the same, Maria Margaretha (Mother surname SCHAAL) m. a Peiderman/Beirderman and had two children. TO DATE, I have seen No account of either Mathias or Philip "Christian" as being married... There where more Jacob, Christopher and Christian names in this line than you would even want to know... Jacob "Christopher Zimmerman, bought land in 1708 he married Sybella Van Fossen.. They had : Jacob 1710 m Elizabeth (EARNHARDT may be a married name) and second he married Susanna Roberts Dec. of Robert Cawllader Arnold 1716 m, Mary Engle Mathais m Persis Jones this line appears to have moved on to Tenn, and either Moved again to ohio, or spilt up and went to both, they also Carried the Surname TIMMERMAN. Jacob had Chrisopher who married Deborah Suppllee at this point in time three Suppllee's married 3 Zimm's two where sibs and one is a cousin. I have Hords of Information on these lines and thier ties to Levering Dehaven suppllee (Hance line) UpdenGraeff Still wanna know if Graeff is the final Spelling of that name or a totally seperate Family all together???? So If ya just get some more information before Jumping into the fire of the Zimmerman Groups.... I will Glady look up info as best I can to determine which branch belongs to what Nationality..... Like I said , if after 1706, you are almost TOAST if you don't have the records. OH since we are On the Subject, I ,made the discovery of some interesting info.... THERE FOR SURE is another LARGE Bible on Jacobs Line Jacob 1710, because the two pages I THOUGHT came out of My 1892 Bible, where actually Documents 50 years BEFORE the Bible I have was even made. If that bible made it past me and was tossed with grandpa's other Stuff Everyone Clear to PA will hear me screaming.. so of course , you know me, I am now on the hunt for Missing bible of the first part <G> I know it will stop forever the fueding of the lines as to who belongs to whom.... Just like the Updegraeff's, I just got a letter asking me who the Upthegroves are in NY and Canada... anyone have a clue?? I don't.. On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:37:52 -0700 [email protected] writes: Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.