OK, maybe this is a waste of time posting. Probably so. But it is only one post, and may be possible... Remember that name LOOF(E) that Gene Stackhouse listed (I am writing this from memory -- hope I am not making a total fool of myself and getting this wrong!)? Here is a name, or a family, that has the name LOOFBORROW listed that looks like it could easily have been tied in in some way as a friend or something... I see the names KIRK, TYSON, WARNER, etc., tied in with it... http://artsci.wustl.edu/~dlbeck/jack/fam02106.htm Could it have been shortened to LOOF(E) by one side-line? If this one is better of unanswered, kindly let it die quietly. I can take a razzing, though, if it is to be! ":O>) Vince