http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4695.htm Be sure to look at the above. Over 200 KITEs for instance. One was even a KITE witnessing a will for a Cassel. Vince -- Listowner: The Original 13 Settlers of Germantown, Pennsylvania Visit our homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ Family Lines that came aboard the Concord in October of 1683.