Hi Sweet Lady!~ I have been meaning to write ya actually... You asked who Elizabeth Cassell's mother was.. I Don't have one only father : Yelles[Julius] Cassel and Nine children... Dates are Useless at best... I have here's as guestament on here Dates, given by a web person who saw the post.. 1719-1798 for elizabeth... She married Heinrich KOLB i have a Few dates on those children.. I have 9 children named with a note that there are two other's UNNAMED.. I DID Get a mail regarding both CASSEL AND CATTEL saying he had no time right now, but remind him sometime to dig out the History on the Family(Families) A DIRECT is Mary CATTEL ( widow SHAW) 2nd m. John Zimmerman b April 13, 1808 her dates are Abt. 1810 d February 17, 1847 They stayed in Berks.. I have Five Children listed including a Son named CATTEL... I am Hoping to find out if these are SEPERATE SURNAMES or another Spelling change.. Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.