Thanks Erik....using Google, I found several and will now have to see how I connect as I browse them. Did you have a particular one in mind? Emily > you can access a Hatfield page, original name HARTSFELDER, I think. Erik > Conard

Hi! I'm easedropping on your conversation with Erik and wanted to ask about your Hatfield line. I desc. from Thones Kunders and have a Hatfield connetion, as well. Jane, sister of your Sarah m. James Cunrads, half-brother of your Anthony. I have that Anthony's father was Cunraed Cunraeds. Cunraed married twice, so it appears you may be connected to Thones twice... Would love to compare the Hatfield line... Emily Portland OR PS: Hi Erik! I'm retired from teaching now! YEAH! > Erik, your message has confused me a little. My comment "Her grandfather > (on her mother's side) came from England with William Penn when he settled > in > America." Catherine's grandfather on her mother's side would mean the > father of Anthony's wife. Are you saying that the parents of Sarah > Hatfield were both German? Phyllis

I screwed up...let us begin anew.... "Her grandfather on her mother's side" is who we were referring to. This means the father of Mrs. Anthony Cunread...or so So, Anthony's WIFE appears to be the one who came over in one of Penn's many trips. Sorry about confusion. Erik P Conard

Erik, your message has confused me a little. My comment "Her grandfather (on her mother's side) came from England with William Penn when he settled in America." Catherine's grandfather on her mother's side would mean the father of Anthony's wife. Are you saying that the parents of Sarah Hatfield were both German? Phyllis ----- Original Message ----- From: <EConard1@aol.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Catherine Cunread/Cunraed > well, good readers, this is a good lesson for all in tracking down kin in > early PA when > the records are sparse. I am sending it to all ORIGINAL-13 as think there is > some value, educationally as well as genealogically. If this is either too > boring or deemed inappropriate, I will e-mail henceforth privately....erik p. > conard, author... > Now, the plot thickens...according to your new finds.. > This Catherine Cunread (don't worry 'bout spelling) > ---is a grand daughter of a member of Penn's sailing from England to PA at > any early date. Comment. Penn made several voyages, and perhaps they might be > checked out, I know this is a lateral move to seek candidates, and it is time > consuming, but that is why we call this stuff "research." LOL...attempt at > humor. > ---is a grand daughter of a member of Penn's sailing...on her MOTHERs > side....This > would mean not a KUNDERS, CUNREAD, or what have you, and more than likely a > wife of said Cunread, whose daughter married an Anthony Cunread or else the > wife > of Anthony...and not named Cunread...so, who was this Anthony's wife? There > are > not too many candidates for this, so let us begin to sort them out... > This Anthony COULD be a son of Madtis Conders, the second son of Thones > Kunders, for we do not know if he had issue; we do know he married late in life, the > woman was named Ann ____, and she died in 1777 in Loudoun Co, VA. We do not > know if this Anthony had been previously wed...or had issue...so we cannot > rule out > positively the Kunders descent although it is still dubious. > Grandmother on her mother's side does not give us any room for a > Cunread/Kunders > claim at all...so, back to the drawing board. write anytime. Erik P Conard > > ______________________________

If anyone is interested in other ships, here is a listing for Penns fleet http://www.pa-roots.com/~chester/individual_ships_of_penn.htm Will be unsubscribing for awhile. Barbara Johnson Can provide info on Claypool, organizer of the Concord venture anyone interested in him, contact me patch227@yahoo.com

well, good readers, this is a good lesson for all in tracking down kin in early PA when the records are sparse. I am sending it to all ORIGINAL-13 as think there is some value, educationally as well as genealogically. If this is either too boring or deemed inappropriate, I will e-mail henceforth privately....erik p. conard, author... Now, the plot thickens...according to your new finds.. This Catherine Cunread (don't worry 'bout spelling) ---is a grand daughter of a member of Penn's sailing from England to PA at any early date. Comment. Penn made several voyages, and perhaps they might be checked out, I know this is a lateral move to seek candidates, and it is time consuming, but that is why we call this stuff "research." LOL...attempt at humor. ---is a grand daughter of a member of Penn's sailing...on her MOTHERs side....This would mean not a KUNDERS, CUNREAD, or what have you, and more than likely a wife of said Cunread, whose daughter married an Anthony Cunread or else the wife of Anthony...and not named Cunread...so, who was this Anthony's wife? There are not too many candidates for this, so let us begin to sort them out... This Anthony COULD be a son of Madtis Conders, the second son of Thones Kunders, for we do not know if he had issue; we do know he married late in life, the woman was named Ann ____, and she died in 1777 in Loudoun Co, VA. We do not know if this Anthony had been previously wed...or had issue...so we cannot rule out positively the Kunders descent although it is still dubious. Grandmother on her mother's side does not give us any room for a Cunread/Kunders claim at all...so, back to the drawing board. write anytime. Erik P Conard

Joseph Coon's will was dated April 6, 1798 and recorded in Harrison Co. VA, Will Book 1:86 and the Inventory is on p. 88, 9 June 1798. He named his dear wife Catherine Koon and these sons: Conrad, Joseph, Anthony and Philip and daughters: [their married surnames were mispelled and I have added the correct spelling in brackets taken from their marriage records] Elizabeth Koon [still single, she mrd. 1800 George Smith]; Catheron Broocher (Mrs. John Brooker); Mary Tatrick (Mrs. George Tetrick). Their daughter Maudlin Coon was killed by Indians in 1777 when she was about 17 yrs. of age. James Coon who was killed in 1781 by Indians is believed to have been their son. The Coon History gives a genealogical chart giving these vitals for Joseph and Catherine: Joseph Coon b. 4 Apr 1720 near Philadelphia, PA d. shortly after 6 April 1798 on Coon's Run in Harrison County, VA, buried near Coon's Fort. He married about 1748 Catherine Cunread born about 1732 near Philadephia, PA d/o Anthony Cunread (Coonrod) b. 1710. Coon's Fort was on the land of Joseph Coon and his father Philip. Building began after William Robinson and Thomas Hellin (son-in-law of Philip Coon and future father-in-law of Joseph's son Anthony) were taken prisoner by Mingo Chief Logan to Ohio. The two men were held prisoner until the close of Dunmore's War in November 1774. Catherine's first son was born abt. 1751 so it is possible that she did not marry until abt. 1750. instead of 1748. If you think of anything else that might help us let me know. Phyllis Vines

Erik, that is a good idea. I've gotten back to my notes from "Two Thousand Desendants of Philip Coon of West Virginia" by Cline M. and J. Otis Koon (a microfilm). Thought I might pick up something that would help us. Not too promising - but this I can add: "Catherine Cunread (Coonrod). She came from a pioneer eastern Pennsylvania family. Her grandfather (on her mother's side) came from England with William Penn when he settled in America." Re Hampshire County: "It appers that John and Davi Coon of the South Branch of the Potomac River in Hampshire County were sons of Philip" [and therefore brothers of Joseph Coon]. "They owned land and spent some time near the other Coons in Harrison County but went back to Hampshire Co." Will give names of Joseph and Catherine's children per Joseph's will and the Philip Coon history in next email. The first three were Conrad, Joseph Jr. & Anthony. Phyllis Vines ----- Original Message ----- From: <EConard1@aol.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Catherine Cunread/Cunraed > While I can not see any connection, yet, let us explore a bit. > What were the given names of Catherine's children? May give a clue. > The Hampshire Co. stop may have meaning altho it was a popular place whilst > going > south in those days. Monongalia was not and the Conards, various ones, were > likely > to go to Loudoun...my branch, the first there, was in 1757. The county was > formed about 1747 or so. Heavy PA & Quaker place. > The Madtis Conders family had some members who strayed from the Quakers, and > his Anthony was likely one. > The name CONARD did not come into use 'til the late 1700s, about the rev war > time. > Previously the name had the S and likely the U instead of O. > Most of the family veered away from Germans and any German religion. They > were > quick to anglicize. German was dropped as a spoken tongue about 1700 by > all..... > I have NEVER found a catholic amongst the descendants for many generations. > There is a later Anthony in Philadelphia, much too late to figure in > here...and his famiy seemed to take CONRAD and remained well into the early 1800s in > Philly. > The spelling Cunread is really weird. The only branch using any semblance of > that is > my line, Cunraed Cunraeds, aka Conrad Conrads & Cunrad Cunrads, and he died in > Worcester twp., now Montgomery Co., in 1747, leaving sons Anthony (mine), > Henry, > and James (who died in Hampshire Co, (now W) Va. in 1795. My Anthony died in > 1747,too, in Montgomery Co., and his widow took the family to Loudoun Co., > VA, and she had only two sons, John & Jonathan, well accounted for, by the way. > No help, granted, but just thinkin' out loud. Erik P Conard >

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The given name Conrad is indeed a common one. I 've never been able to figure out how they got Conard out of Coonrod...the double o in dutch is pronounced like a long o, like in Roosevelt, the vowel quality o and a in German quite different. And, add the indifference + lack of schooling + attention to detail, I have several old families who were Coonrad, Coonrod, who today use Conard...CON'erd, and none of them are descended from Thones Kunders. The history of the development of the surname Kunders, in itself, belies logic...and I am finding KUNDERS families in the USA today, and of course, no kin. It has been guessed today that brothers of old Thones likely are Cönes or Könes today in Germany...never tried to follow up. Another item is the final 's' on the name...dropped by the third generation in America. Highly doubtful that any of these folks related to the various Conrad men, the Dukes... Then there are the high-fallutin' ones who now call Conard as ka-NARD, not knowing what that means in French slang...my lips are sealed. Still, no cigar...I asked for a list of the Coon/Kuhn children simply to compile a preponderance of evidence, are there any familiar names, family-wise? I am still on the negative side of Thones Kunders kinship to this family. Sorry. EPC

I'm butting in but I took a look at Fort Coon info, you all may have this site http://dttwv01.org/sue/coonfam.htm, Barbara Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: <SHUPE@citcom.net> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Coon/etc. sp's > This is the only Kuhn/Coon in the book and no Co/unrad > surnames, but lots of people with given names of Conrad. > My experience is that w. Md. and old Augusta Co., Va., areas > are full of Germantown, Pa., surnames. They came early > and stayed late <g>. Hi Erik!!!! > > ===== > Oren Morton's book "History of Preston Co., WV" 1914 > Prestonians of 1785 > Taken from the original lists of residents having taxable > personalty. Names are spelled as found. > Thomas Butler's Return > > Coonts, Jacob > === > > Warm regards, > Carolyn > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Please feel free to post data to the list. You may eventually leave the > list, but it would be nice if others could still benefit from your > presence, even after you leave. Thanks for your participations..... > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is the only Kuhn/Coon in the book and no Co/unrad surnames, but lots of people with given names of Conrad. My experience is that w. Md. and old Augusta Co., Va., areas are full of Germantown, Pa., surnames. They came early and stayed late <g>. Hi Erik!!!! ===== Oren Morton's book "History of Preston Co., WV" 1914 Prestonians of 1785 Taken from the original lists of residents having taxable personalty. Names are spelled as found. Thomas Butler’s Return Coonts, Jacob === Warm regards, Carolyn

I'm sorry. I don't have time right now to work on genealogy, so I'd like to be removed from your distribution list until further notice. Thanks for including me in the past. Ann Mueller ----- Original Message ----- From: <ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: ORIGINAL-13-D Digest V03 #62

Phyllis, Found this in my notes: l) pg.275 The Monongalia Story Vol II, by Earl Core: 'Joseph Coon (of Philip), b. Apr. 4, 1720 near Philadelphia, d. Apr. 6, 1798, bur. nr. the old fort, in Harrison Co.. He married Catherine Cu(o)nrad and they had seven children " ( names them). I have the book, if you need more. This makes me believe in my Custer research even more. Hope Erik pops in on this!! Warm regards, Carolyn > Seeking ancestry of subject Catherine Cunread (spelling of surname not certain.) Can anyone help me find her father > Anthony b. about 1710? > Catherine married about 1748-1750 a Joseph Coon/Koon/Kuhn of near Phila. PA. It is said in the family history of the Coon > family that she was the d/o Anthony Cunraed said to have been born about 1710. Catherine, her husband and their children > remained near Phila. during most of the 1750s before moving westward. They were in Hampshire Co. VA (now WV) in the > 1760s and they arrived in then West Augusta District in the early 1770s to meet up with Joseph's father, Philip Coon. They > settled in the area which became Coon's Creek and where Coon's Fort was built about 1774 (became Monongalia Co. VA, > now WV, until about 1783 when it became Harrison Co. (W) VA. Joseph, born in 1720 died in 1798. Catherine died after > 1798. > > Thanks for any help. Phyllis Vines > >

While I can not see any connection, yet, let us explore a bit. What were the given names of Catherine's children? May give a clue. The Hampshire Co. stop may have meaning altho it was a popular place whilst going south in those days. Monongalia was not and the Conards, various ones, were likely to go to Loudoun...my branch, the first there, was in 1757. The county was formed about 1747 or so. Heavy PA & Quaker place. The Madtis Conders family had some members who strayed from the Quakers, and his Anthony was likely one. The name CONARD did not come into use 'til the late 1700s, about the rev war time. Previously the name had the S and likely the U instead of O. Most of the family veered away from Germans and any German religion. They were quick to anglicize. German was dropped as a spoken tongue about 1700 by all..... I have NEVER found a catholic amongst the descendants for many generations. There is a later Anthony in Philadelphia, much too late to figure in here...and his famiy seemed to take CONRAD and remained well into the early 1800s in Philly. The spelling Cunread is really weird. The only branch using any semblance of that is my line, Cunraed Cunraeds, aka Conrad Conrads & Cunrad Cunrads, and he died in Worcester twp., now Montgomery Co., in 1747, leaving sons Anthony (mine), Henry, and James (who died in Hampshire Co, (now W) Va. in 1795. My Anthony died in 1747,too, in Montgomery Co., and his widow took the family to Loudoun Co., VA, and she had only two sons, John & Jonathan, well accounted for, by the way. No help, granted, but just thinkin' out loud. Erik P Conard

In a message dated 7/1/2003 3:44:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jvines@charter.net writes: > Seeking ancestry of subject Catherine Cunread (spelling of surname not > certain.) Probably Conard. I'm sure you will get a response from Eric Conard in CO. He is an excellent source for genealogy.

Seeking ancestry of subject Catherine Cunread (spelling of surname not certain.) Can anyone help me find her father Anthony b. about 1710? Catherine married about 1748-1750 a Joseph Coon/Koon/Kuhn of near Phila. PA. It is said in the family history of the Coon family that she was the d/o Anthony Cunraed said to have been born about 1710. Catherine, her husband and their children remained near Phila. during most of the 1750s before moving westward. They were in Hampshire Co. VA (now WV) in the 1760s and they arrived in then West Augusta District in the early 1770s to meet up with Joseph's father, Philip Coon. They settled in the area which became Coon's Creek and where Coon's Fort was built about 1774 (became Monongalia Co. VA, now WV, until about 1783 when it became Harrison Co. (W) VA. Joseph, born in 1720 died in 1798. Catherine died after 1798. Thanks for any help. Phyllis Vines

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Terrific! It does help....thanks heaps. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnson Sherry" <sherrjoh7@yahoo.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Re: ORIGINAL-13-D Digest V03 #60 > Margaret, > > The following document names the nine children and heirs of Dirck Pennybacker and Hannah Dehaven: > > Shenandoah Co., Virginia Deeds, Bk. Q, p. 358, Shenandoah County, Virginia County Clerk's Office. > This indenture made this 6th day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eight between Benjamin Pennybaker and Sarah his wife, George Mayberry and Rebecca his wife, Abraham Pennybaker and Elizabeth his wife, Isaac Samuels and Elizabeth his wife, John Pennybaker and Phebe his wife, Mounce Byrd and Hannah his wife, Catherine Pennybaker, Mary Pennybaker, Derrick Pennybaker (of which Benjamin, Rebecca, Abraham, Elizabeth, John, Hannah, Catherine, Mary, and Derrick are children heirs and devisees of Derrick Pennybaker deceased and Hannah Pennybaker widow and relict of the said Derrick... > > The accidental death of Dirck Pennbyacker occurred on Monday evening, 15 Feb 1802. His obituary, in the Winchester, Virginia newspaper, WINCHESTER GAZETTE, issued Wednesday, March 3, 1802 is as follows: > "On the evening of Monday the 15th ult. Derrick Pennybacker, Esq. of Shenandoah County, was casually killed by a fall from his horse. The day following the remains were decently interred on his own premises, attended by a very numerous concourse of relatives and friends." > [Ult or Ultima is Latin for last month.]." Wed, March 3, 1802 > > Isaac Samuels Pennybacker (b. 3 Sept. 1805 at Pine Forge, Shenandoah Co., VA, d. 12 Jan 1847, Washington, D.C., while serving in the U.S. Congress) was the grandson of Dirck Pennybacker and his wife Hannah Dehaven. He was the son of their eldest son Benjamin Pennybacker and his wife Sarah Margaret Samuels. He was named for his uncle Isaac Samuels (brother of Sarah Margaret Samuels) who married Benjamin Pennybacker's sister Elizabeth. Benjamin Pennybacker b. 29 Sept. 1760, was the oldest child of Dirck and Hannah Pennybacker. Derrick Pennybacker, Jr. b. abt 1780 was their youngest and died in Nov. 1817, in New Orleans of yellow fever after a trip to Cuba as a grain speculator. > > I hope this helps. > Sherry Johnson > > ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:49:27 -0700 > From: "Marg" > To: ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Dirck Pennybacker and Hannah DeHaven??? > > As you can see by the date of Frank's original message, I am a bit behind on > my list email! > > I had a question about the children of Hannah DeHaven and Dirck Pennybacker, > since they are in my line of research. Hannah, born in 1737, would have > been 43 when she had Derick b.1780, after an apparent pause in childbearing > of 8 years (and she may have had several miscarriages or unlisted infant > deaths during those years). I realize this is not unheard of although > surely not common back then. Yet another child is born - Isaac Samuels in > 1805 - making her 48 years old at his birth. I just wanted to confirm that > these 2 later sons were actually born to Hannah and Dirck. > > Thank you! > Margaret Harmon-Myers > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe by sending a blank email with only the word unsubscribe in > the Subject and Body fields, with no signature file, etc., to: > Original-13-L-request@rootsweb.com or Original-13-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Margaret, The following document names the nine children and heirs of Dirck Pennybacker and Hannah Dehaven: Shenandoah Co., Virginia Deeds, Bk. Q, p. 358, Shenandoah County, Virginia County Clerk's Office. This indenture made this 6th day of October in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and eight between Benjamin Pennybaker and Sarah his wife, George Mayberry and Rebecca his wife, Abraham Pennybaker and Elizabeth his wife, Isaac Samuels and Elizabeth his wife, John Pennybaker and Phebe his wife, Mounce Byrd and Hannah his wife, Catherine Pennybaker, Mary Pennybaker, Derrick Pennybaker (of which Benjamin, Rebecca, Abraham, Elizabeth, John, Hannah, Catherine, Mary, and Derrick are children heirs and devisees of Derrick Pennybaker deceased and Hannah Pennybaker widow and relict of the said Derrick... The accidental death of Dirck Pennbyacker occurred on Monday evening, 15 Feb 1802. His obituary, in the Winchester, Virginia newspaper, WINCHESTER GAZETTE, issued Wednesday, March 3, 1802 is as follows: "On the evening of Monday the 15th ult. Derrick Pennybacker, Esq. of Shenandoah County, was casually killed by a fall from his horse. The day following the remains were decently interred on his own premises, attended by a very numerous concourse of relatives and friends." [Ult or Ultima is Latin for last month.]." Wed, March 3, 1802 Isaac Samuels Pennybacker (b. 3 Sept. 1805 at Pine Forge, Shenandoah Co., VA, d. 12 Jan 1847, Washington, D.C., while serving in the U.S. Congress) was the grandson of Dirck Pennybacker and his wife Hannah Dehaven. He was the son of their eldest son Benjamin Pennybacker and his wife Sarah Margaret Samuels. He was named for his uncle Isaac Samuels (brother of Sarah Margaret Samuels) who married Benjamin Pennybacker's sister Elizabeth. Benjamin Pennybacker b. 29 Sept. 1760, was the oldest child of Dirck and Hannah Pennybacker. Derrick Pennybacker, Jr. b. abt 1780 was their youngest and died in Nov. 1817, in New Orleans of yellow fever after a trip to Cuba as a grain speculator. I hope this helps. Sherry Johnson ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:49:27 -0700 From: "Marg" To: ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Dirck Pennybacker and Hannah DeHaven??? As you can see by the date of Frank's original message, I am a bit behind on my list email! I had a question about the children of Hannah DeHaven and Dirck Pennybacker, since they are in my line of research. Hannah, born in 1737, would have been 43 when she had Derick b.1780, after an apparent pause in childbearing of 8 years (and she may have had several miscarriages or unlisted infant deaths during those years). I realize this is not unheard of although surely not common back then. Yet another child is born - Isaac Samuels in 1805 - making her 48 years old at his birth. I just wanted to confirm that these 2 later sons were actually born to Hannah and Dirck. Thank you! Margaret Harmon-Myers --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!