CADWALLADER apparently is a descendant line of the thirteen... Does anyone recognize this? Tax: Tax List of Pikeland Township (1747): Chester County, PA Among others listed: Humphrey Bell David Cadwaleder John Thomas I am seeking an intertwining collection of names that include: RALSTON, BELL, THOMAS, WATKINS and others. It appears David CADWALEDER (of whatever spelling) ties in with them in some way. Do you know how? Thanks, Vince Summers

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I have not recieved any Original 13 e-mails lately. Is there a problem. John Updegraff

Sure makes it difficult when setting up info in Family Tree Maker when brothers/sisters Blaker married brothers/sisters Buckman's. What a headache!!! Hope to hear from more of you soon. Spoke to my cousin in WA. His son is the only male on my Blaker line to have a son. Will get info soon and hope to go to fam reunion in August in WA. Have a great day. Donna

re: below message I have an extensive background on the Buckman Line and associated families incl. Martindale. Any inquiries, please feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct at: <marshbuj@mmsi.com> It will take a day because I do not have my data base here at work.. Regards to All, John Marshburn note: Reason for Buckman conversation, there is allot of intermarriages between Bleicker/Blaker and that family name. Hence, most likely relevant to this board. -----Original Message----- From: David Tourison [mailto:treetrails@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:18 PM To: ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Bleicker>Blaker>Gregg Donna - well, when I get home I'll look into my reference material. One of my maternal lines (Martindale) also married into the BUCKMANs, so I may have something to contribute there. We'll see. And some of the other surnames also ring bells in the back of my head. I'll write back when I have something more definitive. Thanx for the reply; most helpful. David _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== Be careful not to post materials that are known to be Copyrighted. It is inconsiderate of the publisher, and is illegal, besides. Of course it is OK if you get permission to do so. Mention that if applicable. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Donna - well, when I get home I'll look into my reference material. One of my maternal lines (Martindale) also married into the BUCKMANs, so I may have something to contribute there. We'll see. And some of the other surnames also ring bells in the back of my head. I'll write back when I have something more definitive. Thanx for the reply; most helpful. David _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

The information I have is: 1)Johannes Bleicker m Rebecca (nee unknown). My 7g grandfather. 2)Peter (born at sea 1683) m Ruth Buckman. My 6 g grandfather. 3)John Blaker (b abt. 1710 and the only child of Peter and Ruth) m (1) Catherine Williams. My 5 g grandfather. 4)Achilles Blaker m Sarah Buckman. My 4 g grandfather. 5)Jesse Blaker Sr. m (1)Christianna Thomas (7 children) m (2) Ann Carver (1 child-Enoch Blaker b abt 1818 PA) (3)Mary Corson (4 children) (4) Ruth Phillips (3 children). Apparently Ann died at birth of Enoch or shortly thereafter. Jesse Sr. would be my 3 g grandfather. 6)Enoch Blaker m Margaret (nee unknown) abt 1840. Issue: Mary Ellen Blaker b abt 1842; Pierson (Pearson) Blaker b abt 1844; Henrietta Blaker b abt 1846; Margaret Blaker b abt 1850; William S. Blaker B 1855. Mary, Pierson, Henrietta born PA. Margaret b OH. William b Iowa. Enoch would be my 2 g grandfather. William my great grandfather. 7)William S. Blaker m Emmaline Gregg. Issue:Lula Mae b aug 29, 1885 d aug 6, 1966 m Leonard John Trapp; Frank b mar 1887 d sep 4 1916 (mining accident in WA) m Minnie McDowell; Robert Anton b oct 19, 1890 d Apr 25, 1985 m Anna Kahn; Ernest William (my grandfather) b jun 17 1892 d dec 20 1963 m (1)Edith S. Malbon. *Lula Mae Blaker - Leonard John Trapp Issue: Emmaline b 1911; Leonard b 1925 *Frank Blaker - Minnie McDowell Issue: Edward Blaker b 1911 *Robert Anton Blaker - Anna Kahn Issue:Robert Anton Jr. b 1919 *Ernest William m Edith Malbon Issue: Donald Gene Blaker b 1926 (my father); Marjorie b 1930 8)William S. Blaker m (2)Florence Rosalie Collins. Issue: Charles Collins b oct 24 1902 d sep 8 1940 m Virginia Garrett; Lawrence Earl b sep 5 1904 d 1980's m Merle Somers; Walter Scott b dec 30 1910 d 2002 m Juanita Blake; Marguerite Adelaide b jun 1908 d sep 1909. *Charles C. Blaker - Virginia Garrett. Issue:Lloyd Charles b 1926; Vera Juanita b sep 1930; Verna Ovita b sep 1930; Betty Irene b 1933 d 1935. *Lawrence E. Blaker - Merle Somers. No issue; however Merle had son by 1st marriage. John Walter Bonar was legally adopted by Lawrence Blaker. *Walter Scott Blaker - Juanita Blake. Issue: Sylvia b 1935 ; Brenda b 1939. 9) Donald Gene Blaker m JoAnne Uebelacker. (My parents) Issue: Donna Jo b 1947; Micheal William b 1949; Susan Jean b 1951 10: Donna Jo Blaker m Ronald B. Regan 1965. Issue: Jefferey Michel b 1967; Cindi Jean b 1968. A side note: Lloyd Blaker is the only cousin I know who has boys. All others had girls only. I do not know what happened to Frank Blaker's son, Edward. Hopefully some of these dates will be helpful. I can't believe that the Blaker family kept using the same first names generation after generation. All of Jess Blaker Sr.'s children would be 1/2 brothers/sisters of my Enoch. Donna Blaker Regan

Dear Donna - be kind enough to supply some dates, and perhaps some of us can be more of help. David _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Hello All, My lines from beginning to present: Johannes Bleicker>Peter Blaker>John Blaker>Achilles Blaker>Jesse Blaker, Sr.>Enoch Blaker>William S. Blaker>Ernest William Blaker>Donald Gene Blaker>Donna Jo Blaker (me). I have most of the dates/fam info from William to the present. After working on this for over 35 years, I am exited to make the connection. I have several aunts, uncles, cousins still living who can fill in other info. Donna Blaker Regan

Antoinette of Tacoma: Are you thinking of Conrad Acord aka Eckert who was in York County by 1749, and possibly (I haven't researched it) is the one who immigrated in Aug 1731? Richard of Kent, WA

I too found the 1798 will extract for Joseph Cunrad and he too only named the seven known children of Anthony. I do not see how Catherine could be a daughter of Anthony and Sarah Hatfield Cunred. I also find it highly doubtful that she was the d/o Anthony son of Madtis and certainly cannot be proven one way or the other without more records which are either not available or not found to date. Where did Anthony of Madtis settle and die. Evidently there is a deed or something that notes his wife was named Ann. Thanks to all of you, especially Erik for his previous research on the Cunred (or whichever way it is spelled) family. I have several German ancestors whose names were spelled upteen ways, depending on who was writing it. Guess all of us have to explore all variant spellings of the surnames we research. Best wishes, Phyllis Vines ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Swain" <hswain@ix.netcom.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Catherine Cunread/Cunraed > Hi Phyllis and all, > > From: "jvines" <jvines@charter.net> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 6:39 AM > > > Erik, your message has confused me a little. My comment "Her grandfather > > (on her mother's side) came from England with William Penn when he settled > > in America." Catherine's grandfather on her mother's side would mean the > > father of Anthony's wife. Are you saying that the parents of Sarah > > Hatfield were both German? Phyllis > > > And earlier, > From: "jvines" <jvines@charter.net> > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 4:20 PM > > snip > > > The Coon History gives a genealogical chart giving these vitals for Joseph and Catherine: > > Joseph Coon b. 4 Apr 1720 near Philadelphia, ... > > He married about 1748 Catherine Cunread born about 1732 near Philadephia, PA > > d/o Anthony Cunread (Coonrod) b. 1710. > > > It appears from the above two quotes that you are thinking that > the Anthony Conrad who is said to be the father of Catherine > was married to Sarah Hatfield. > > However, the Anthony Cunrad who married Sarah Hatfield > (in May 1733) is not known to have had a daughter Catherine. > The abstracts of his will (March 8, 1747/8) and of his half-brother, > Joseph, (March 12, 1798) list his children but do not include > a Catherine. > > A better lead for you would might be the Anthony who was > the son of Madtis Conders and Barbara Tyson that Erik mentioned. > However, Erik also said "we do not know if he had issue". > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > > ______________________________

True, there have been a few folks I have run into who have a legit first name Conard. And they are not necessarily descendants of Thones Kunders, for 1. They may be named for a friend or neighbor 2. Someone thought it cute or unique 3. They may be kin to a non-Kunders CONARD family 4. It might be an accepted corruption of the name CONRAD Naming is a personal thing. I have run into folks with the given name Conard who have no clue why they got it. Sorry, troops, no answer on this one! The study of onomastics, anthroponymics, etc...names, is a discipline in itself. Genealogy is fun. Regards, Erik P Conard

Howard, good assessment of this dilemma and an excellent suggestion for further pursuit. And, Howard, as usual, you do good work! Erik P Conard

I've been reading all messages but just dawned on me that there is a Conard as a given name in the ECKERT line that connects to our SINEX line and wondered if anyone has seen these names tied in anywhere. I have seen the LUKENS name in various SINEX documents but just shown in the content of the text with no "fitting in". Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) ----- Original Message ----- From: <EConard1@aol.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Catherine Cunread/Cunraed > Howard, good assessment of this dilemma and an excellent suggestion for > further > pursuit. And, Howard, as usual, you do good work! Erik P Conard > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Avoid posting well-known URLs. Everyone knows Rootsweb is at > http://www.rootsweb.com Assume everyone is familiar with the basic > search engines, telephone directories, mapping sites, etc. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Kyle, Thank you. I appreciate the site. It is one I found last night with a Google search. I've written a few of the people to see about sources...some emails, as expected, were no longer in use. I appreciate your help. Emily > > Here is a web site that I saved a long time ago. The address still appears > to be valid. > > <A HREF="http://ghat.com/hatftrec.htm">http://ghat.com/hatftrec.htm</A> > > > Kyle D. Conrad > > > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Visit Our Homepage (Thanks, Liese Ade-Uptegrove for this!) at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ > Images, a facsimile signature of Thones Kunders, history, etc. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Phyllis and all, From: "jvines" <jvines@charter.net> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 6:39 AM > Erik, your message has confused me a little. My comment "Her grandfather > (on her mother's side) came from England with William Penn when he settled > in America." Catherine's grandfather on her mother's side would mean the > father of Anthony's wife. Are you saying that the parents of Sarah > Hatfield were both German? Phyllis And earlier, From: "jvines" <jvines@charter.net> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 4:20 PM snip > The Coon History gives a genealogical chart giving these vitals for Joseph and Catherine: > Joseph Coon b. 4 Apr 1720 near Philadelphia, ... > He married about 1748 Catherine Cunread born about 1732 near Philadephia, PA > d/o Anthony Cunread (Coonrod) b. 1710. It appears from the above two quotes that you are thinking that the Anthony Conrad who is said to be the father of Catherine was married to Sarah Hatfield. However, the Anthony Cunrad who married Sarah Hatfield (in May 1733) is not known to have had a daughter Catherine. The abstracts of his will (March 8, 1747/8) and of his half-brother, Joseph, (March 12, 1798) list his children but do not include a Catherine. A better lead for you would might be the Anthony who was the son of Madtis Conders and Barbara Tyson that Erik mentioned. However, Erik also said "we do not know if he had issue". Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Emily: Here is a web site that I saved a long time ago. The address still appears to be valid. <A HREF="http://ghat.com/hatftrec.htm">http://ghat.com/hatftrec.htm</A> Kyle D. Conrad

I have never found but one Hatfield/Hartsvelder site, so cannot direct. Erik Conard

you can access a Hatfield page, original name HARTSFELDER, I think. Erik Conard

Thanks...I found several pieces and have tired to contact people for sources, etc. Danke schoen (spelled right?) E > I have never found but one Hatfield/Hartsvelder site, so cannot direct. Erik > Conard