God Bless Cathy, and I wish her family and friends my condolences. I included Cathy in my prayers after her email about her health problems, and I will keep including her and her family and friends in my prayers. Virgil M. Kester III -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Berger [mailto:o2bab@bedford.net] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:41 To: ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Cathy's Farewell To all who were Cathy's friends and family, Cathy requested this message be sent. Cathy passed away in her sleep sometime prior to 11:15am this morning. A memorial service will be scheduled within the next two weeks. You will be receiving a message with details soon. Elder Bob Ellis for Cathy Berger ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== Keep your Anti-Virus Software up-to-date. Beware unidentified email attachments. De-activate features that run HTML automatically. ++++++++++++++ ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Michel, excellent point. Thanks for the reminder! Lynn In a message dated 3/28/2005 5:00:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michel Metford-Platt <metfordplatt@telkomsa.net>writes: << Hello list, Your ODG's look pretty good. But I wanted to say for the sake of the list that we have to keep our double dating. <snip> This, I believe, is important, because someone else could look at it, remember, oh, yeah, the calendar change! T= hen the person might wonder, if it's just 1643, meaning 1642/3 or 1643/4. If your date was not a double date, please indicate OS (Old Style) or (si= c) >>

Hello list, Your ODG's look pretty good. But I wanted to say for the sake of the list that we have to keep our double dating. For instance... on 27/03/05 7:00, ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com at ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Grietje Pletjes died on 7 Jan 1643. I am sure you mean 7 Jan 1642/3. This, I believe, is important, because someone else could look at it, remember, oh, yeah, the calendar change! Then the person might wonder, if it's just 1643, meaning 1642/3 or 1643/4. If your date was not a double date, please indicate OS (Old Style) or (sic) Also different countries changed the calendar in different years. Re Isaac, I have him born 28 Feb 1615/16 per June (Shaull) Lutz (1988), ³History of the Op Den Graef/Updegraff Family,²

In a message dated 3/25/2005 9:30:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, juliealspach@wideopenwest.com writes: Is anyone working on the Op De Graff family? My line seems to be pretty well-established, but I am always open to new information, especially on Richard ADDAMS who married Gertien Op den Graeff. Lynn op den Graeff Family Generation One 1. Herman Op den Graeff; b. 26 Nov 1585 at Aldekerk, The Palatinate, Germany; m. Grietje Pletjes, daughter of Driessen Pletjes, 16 Aug 1605; d. 27 Dec 1642 at age 57. Grietje Pletjes died on 7 Jan 1643. Known children of Herman Op den Graeff and Grietje Pletjes were: 2. i. Isaac Op den Graeff, b. 1610; m. Gertjen Peters. Generation Two 2. Isaac Op den Graeff (Herman1); b. 1610; m. Gertjen Peters; d. 1656. He resided at Crefeld, Germany. Known children of Isaac Op den Graeff include: i. Herman Op den Graeff; m. ___ Van Bebber, daughter of Jacob Isaacs Van Bebber. He immigrated on 6 Oct 1683 to Philadelphia, PA; on ship 'Concord.' ii. Dirck Op den Graeff immigrated on 6 Oct 1683 to Philadelphia, PA; on ship 'Concord.' iii. Margaretha Op den Graeff immigrated on 6 Oct 1683 to Philadelphia, PA; on ship 'Concord.' Known children of Isaac Op den Graeff and Gertjen Peters were: 3. i. Abraham Op den Graeff, b. 1651; m. Trinkje Jansen. Generation Three 3. Abraham Op den Graeff (Isaac2, Herman1); b. 1651; m. Trinkje Jansen; d. 1731. He immigrated on 6 Oct 1683 to Philadelphia, PA; on ship 'Concord.' He and Trinkje Jansen resided at Skippack, PA. Known children of Abraham Op den Graeff include: 4. i. Ann Op den Graeff. Known children of Abraham3 Op den Graeff and Trinkje Jansen were: 5. i. Gertien Op den Graeff, m. Richard Addams. Generation Four 4. Ann Op den Graeff (Abraham3, Isaac2, Herman1). Known children of Ann Op den Graeff include: i. Harman DeHaven; m. Mary Umstead, circa 1750; 1st husband; d. 1761 at Berks Co., PA. 5. Gertien Op den Graeff (Abraham3, Isaac2, Herman1); m. Richard Addams; 1st wife. Richard Addams resided at Providence, Philadelphia Co., PA. He married Alse Withers on 22 Dec 1726 at Christ Church, Philadelphia, PA. He left a will on 1 Feb 1747/48 at Philadelphia Co., PA; proved 24 Mar 1747. -------------------------- My line continues through Ann Addams, daughter of Richard Addams and his wife Gertien Op den Graeff, as follows: Ann Adams (Richard1Addams); b. between 1712 and 1716; m. Jacob Umstadt, son of John Umstat and Mary, before 1736; d. 1796; bur. at Skippack, PA. Jacob Umstadt was born circa 31 Dec 1708. He resided at Skippack/Perkiomen Twp., Philadelphia Co., PA. He died on 31 Jan 1785. He was buried at Lower Skippack Mennonite Churchyard, PA.

Lynn, Try Kevin Sholder's site... www.kevin-sholder.net and look under the Updegraff families. You will find a lot of information. Sue -----Original Message----- From: LynnBull@aol.com [mailto:LynnBull@aol.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 8:17 PM To: ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] RE: Updegraff/Op den Graeff In a message dated 3/25/2005 9:30:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, juliealspach@wideopenwest.com writes: Is anyone working on the Op De Graff family? My line seems to be pretty well-established, but I am always open to new information, especially on Richard ADDAMS who married Gertien Op den Graeff. Lynn op den Graeff Family Generation One 1. Herman Op den Graeff; b. 26 Nov 1585 at Aldekerk, The Palatinate, Germany; m. Grietje Pletjes, daughter of Driessen Pletjes, 16 Aug 1605; d. 27 Dec 1642 at age 57. Grietje Pletjes died on 7 Jan 1643. Known children of Herman Op den Graeff and Grietje Pletjes were: 2. i. Isaac Op den Graeff, b. 1610; m. Gertjen Peters. Generation Two 2. Isaac Op den Graeff (Herman1); b. 1610; m. Gertjen Peters; d. 1656. He resided at Crefeld, Germany. Known children of Isaac Op den Graeff include: i. Herman Op den Graeff; m. ___ Van Bebber, daughter of Jacob Isaacs Van Bebber. He immigrated on 6 Oct 1683 to Philadelphia, PA; on ship 'Concord.' ii. Dirck Op den Graeff immigrated on 6 Oct 1683 to Philadelphia, PA; on ship 'Concord.' iii. Margaretha Op den Graeff immigrated on 6 Oct 1683 to Philadelphia, PA; on ship 'Concord.' Known children of Isaac Op den Graeff and Gertjen Peters were: 3. i. Abraham Op den Graeff, b. 1651; m. Trinkje Jansen. Generation Three 3. Abraham Op den Graeff (Isaac2, Herman1); b. 1651; m. Trinkje Jansen; d. 1731. He immigrated on 6 Oct 1683 to Philadelphia, PA; on ship 'Concord.' He and Trinkje Jansen resided at Skippack, PA. Known children of Abraham Op den Graeff include: 4. i. Ann Op den Graeff. Known children of Abraham3 Op den Graeff and Trinkje Jansen were: 5. i. Gertien Op den Graeff, m. Richard Addams. Generation Four 4. Ann Op den Graeff (Abraham3, Isaac2, Herman1). Known children of Ann Op den Graeff include: i. Harman DeHaven; m. Mary Umstead, circa 1750; 1st husband; d. 1761 at Berks Co., PA. 5. Gertien Op den Graeff (Abraham3, Isaac2, Herman1); m. Richard Addams; 1st wife. Richard Addams resided at Providence, Philadelphia Co., PA. He married Alse Withers on 22 Dec 1726 at Christ Church, Philadelphia, PA. He left a will on 1 Feb 1747/48 at Philadelphia Co., PA; proved 24 Mar 1747. -------------------------- My line continues through Ann Addams, daughter of Richard Addams and his wife Gertien Op den Graeff, as follows: Ann Adams (Richard1Addams); b. between 1712 and 1716; m. Jacob Umstadt, son of John Umstat and Mary, before 1736; d. 1796; bur. at Skippack, PA. Jacob Umstadt was born circa 31 Dec 1708. He resided at Skippack/Perkiomen Twp., Philadelphia Co., PA. He died on 31 Jan 1785. He was buried at Lower Skippack Mennonite Churchyard, PA. ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== Please feel free to post data to the list. You may eventually leave the list, but it would be nice if others could still benefit from your presence, even after you leave. Thanks for your participations..... ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Julie: There is something about your post, that makes me think that I was writing of this family of Op De Graff, way back when this was a private list (before becoming part of the Rootsweb Mailing List). This was in connection with my Quaker MENDENHALLs & Allied Families of Chester County, PA --the Op De Graff or variation of name with ties to a family that migrated around PA/NY border. My post to ORIGINAL-23 predated any found 2000 & on in the ARCHVES listed below. I shall check my files as time permits and get back to you, if possible. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ORIGINAL-13 ORIGINAL-13-L Archives (threaded) This list has always facinated me. I lived in Montgomery County, PA for quite a number of years; and would take the Chestnut Hill Local (train) to Center City (town) with travel through Germantown. Violet Moore Guy 03/25/2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Alspach" <juliealspach@wideopenwest.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] RE: ORIGINAL-13-D Digest V05 #6 > Is anyone working on the Op De Graff family? > > I am working on a branch of them but I'm stuck connecting them. My trail > ends in NY in 1833. My group spells the name Uptegraff. William was born in > PA before 1801. In 1801 he lives in Clarence, Erie Co., Ny. He marries Mary > Shuman. Their children are > Sarah UPTEGRAFF (Jun 1808-Mar 6 1852) > Elizabeth "Besty" UPTEGRAFF (1812-1887) > William UPTEGRAFF (Oct 22 1812-Sep 9 1877) > George UPTEGRAFF (Apr 16 1815-Feb 24 1856) > John UPTEGRAFF (Oct 13 1817-Feb 6 1888) > Esther UPTEGRAFF (Sep 1824-Jul 28 1899) > Henry UPTEGRAFF (Oct 12 1827-Feb 7 1890) > Thomas UPTEGRAFF (1828-Nov 23 1905) > Christopher Bennet UPTEGRAFF (1830-) > Cornelia "Anne" UPTEGRAFF (Oct 11 1833-Dec 18 1916) > William dies about 1833-1837. Mary and all the children move to MI settling > in Oakland and Genesee Counties where we still live today. > Any help is appreciated. I am willing to share the research I have including > pictures. > Thanks > Julie > > -----Original Message-----

I have forwarded your note to Jane Uptegrove. Her email is _juptegrove@earthlink.net_ (mailto:juptegrove@earthlink.net) . Steve Barsky husband of Rebecca Conard (Kunders) Test

Is anyone working on the Op De Graff family? I am working on a branch of them but I'm stuck connecting them. My trail ends in NY in 1833. My group spells the name Uptegraff. William was born in PA before 1801. In 1801 he lives in Clarence, Erie Co., Ny. He marries Mary Shuman. Their children are Sarah UPTEGRAFF (Jun 1808-Mar 6 1852) Elizabeth "Besty" UPTEGRAFF (1812-1887) William UPTEGRAFF (Oct 22 1812-Sep 9 1877) George UPTEGRAFF (Apr 16 1815-Feb 24 1856) John UPTEGRAFF (Oct 13 1817-Feb 6 1888) Esther UPTEGRAFF (Sep 1824-Jul 28 1899) Henry UPTEGRAFF (Oct 12 1827-Feb 7 1890) Thomas UPTEGRAFF (1828-Nov 23 1905) Christopher Bennet UPTEGRAFF (1830-) Cornelia "Anne" UPTEGRAFF (Oct 11 1833-Dec 18 1916) William dies about 1833-1837. Mary and all the children move to MI settling in Oakland and Genesee Counties where we still live today. Any help is appreciated. I am willing to share the research I have including pictures. Thanks Julie -----Original Message----- From: ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:00 PM To: ORIGINAL-13-D@rootsweb.com Subject: ORIGINAL-13-D Digest V05 #6 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005

hi Julie and others ... am also looking for proof, rebuttal, missing links in my Op den Graeff lineage .... the KNOWN ancestor is Elisabeth/Eliza Updegraff/Updegraft b. 1797 PA (though possibly born in Maryland) (her known siblings were Matilda b. 1800, Susan(na) b. 1805) she d. 31 Oct 1882 and is buried in Carlisle, Cumberland, PA m. 1827 John Keeny ("the miller") 1804-11 Jul 1858 Carlisle (their children: David U., John S., Jacob W., Susan, Daniel B., Matilda R.) her father was said to be "Joseph" ... there is a quite-possible Joseph available, 1767-1807, son of Derrick Updegraff and Susan Stricker (no marriage has been proven for him; he is documented as an attorney handling his father's affairs) there is a "Jas Updegraff" buried in the graveyard in Carlisle PA, no dates ... "Jas" is usually short for JAMES, but the stone may have been misread, may actually have said "Jos" which could be the shortened form of Joseph ... a cousin gave the the information that Joseph Updegraff married Susan(na) Boone (possibly Boon or Bohn); but was unable, due to a medical condition, to remember where he dug up that information; his genealogy records were stolen from a storage locker ... I believe he might have received a death certificate from PA ... as I was unable to find this info in three weeks of digging at the FHL Bobbi Dodge, while researching a possibly-related family, came across a family Bible, suggesting that we might be talking about JESSE Updegraff of Maryland Julie, I find I have in my files a William Updegraff b. 1730, m. widow Sarah (Bennett) Day on 16 Mar 1762 in York Co PA; could your William be related to this man ? this William is son of Herman Updegraff and Mary Ann Lowden, believe he is named in Herman's will ... he would be brother of the Derrick Updegraff I mention above cheers, Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Alspach" <juliealspach@wideopenwest.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: March 25, 2005 06:29 AM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] RE: ORIGINAL-13-D Digest V05 #6 > Is anyone working on the Op De Graff family? > > I am working on a branch of them but I'm stuck connecting them. My trail > ends in NY in 1833. My group spells the name Uptegraff. William was born in > PA before 1801. In 1801 he lives in Clarence, Erie Co., Ny. He marries Mary > Shuman. Their children are > Sarah UPTEGRAFF (Jun 1808-Mar 6 1852) > Elizabeth "Besty" UPTEGRAFF (1812-1887) > William UPTEGRAFF (Oct 22 1812-Sep 9 1877) > George UPTEGRAFF (Apr 16 1815-Feb 24 1856) > John UPTEGRAFF (Oct 13 1817-Feb 6 1888) > Esther UPTEGRAFF (Sep 1824-Jul 28 1899) > Henry UPTEGRAFF (Oct 12 1827-Feb 7 1890) > Thomas UPTEGRAFF (1828-Nov 23 1905) > Christopher Bennet UPTEGRAFF (1830-) > Cornelia "Anne" UPTEGRAFF (Oct 11 1833-Dec 18 1916) > William dies about 1833-1837. Mary and all the children move to MI settling > in Oakland and Genesee Counties where we still live today. > Any help is appreciated. I am willing to share the research I have including > pictures. > Thanks > Julie

I posted this to another newsgroup yesterday... Now I don't know if this is necessarily the right thing for the Original-13 list, but anyway... Food for thought. I have highlighted the names with Op De Graef and what I believe are the Van Bebbers: Jacob Isaacs, and sons Isaac Jacobs and Matthias Jacobs (note that they do not have the van Bebber surname yet). I have checked the original spelling in the document (yes, I know Pennsylvania was spelled wrong!). Any discussion is more than welcome (I also might have missed a typo or two)! Michel ------ The following is in possession of Abraham H. Cassel (NB, not the same as the tombstone), at Harleysville, and as far as known the only copy in America. -- Daniel Kolb Cassel, 1895 (Kolb Genealogy). COPIA NATURALISATIONIS Peter Keyser and Dirck Keyser, Francis Daniel Pastorius. And of sixty-one persons more. GERMAN TOWN. From William Penn, Esq. Dated 7th May, A.D., 1691. William Penn, Proprietary of the Province of Pensilvania, &c By the King and Queen's authority. To all to whom these Presents shall come. Sends greeting, &c. Whereas, Francis Daniel Pastorius, Jacob Telner, DIRICK ISAACS OP DE GRAEF, HERMAN ISAACS OP DE GRAEF, Tennis Conderts, ABRAHAM ISAACS OP DE GRAEF, JACOB ISAACS, Johannes Cassels, Hewart Papen, Herman Bon, Albertus Brandt, Jacob Schumacher, Wolter Simens, Dirick Keyser, Arnold Cassel, Dirick Keyser, Jr., Jan Lensen, Jan Duplouvys, Peter Schumacher, Peter Schumacher, Jr., Isaac Dilbeeck, Jan Doeden, Abraham Tennis, Willm Rittenghuysen, Claes Rittinghuysen, Johannes Custers, Henrich Buchholts, ISAAC JACOBS, MATTHIS JACOBS, Wiggerd Levering, Isaac Shöffer (NB, umlaut over o), Claes Tamsen, Hans Milan, Dirick Sellen, Hendrick Sellen, Paul Wolff, Lenart Arens, Arent Klincken, Paul Kastner, Willem Streipers, Koendradt Backer, Viet Scherkes, Hans Peter Umstad, Anthony Duplouvys, Heinrich Frey, Hans Andrees Kramer, Jurgen Schumacher, Isack Schumacher, Peter Kurlis, Gerhard Levering, Johannes Bleikers, Herman Op de Trap, Dirick Op de Kolck, Cornelis Siverts, Reinier Hermans, Anthony Loof, Andrees Souplis, Jan Williams, high and Low Germans, Inhabitants and owners of land in German Town and in the County of Philadelphia, being foreigners, and so not freemen, according to the acceptation of the law of England, have requested to be made freeman of the said Province, pursuant to the Powers granted by the King's Letters patent and Act of Union and Naturalization, &c., made in this government. Now, Know Ye, that for the further Incouragement of the Industry and Sobriety of the said Inhabitants and for the better and further Security of their Estates, real and Personal, to them and their heirs, They, the said Inhabitants, having Solemnly promised upon Record in the County Court of Philadelphia, aforesaid, faith and Allegiance to William and Mary, King and Queen of England, &c., and fidelity and Lawful Obedience to me, according to the King's Letters patents, aforesaid, I do declare, and by these presents Confirm them the said Inhabitants before named, to be Freemen of this government, and that they shall be accordingly held and reputed in as full and ample manner as any person or persons residing therein. And that they, the said Freemen, have liberty and freedom hereby to trade and traffick in this Colony or in any of the King's Dominions and Plantations, as other good subjects may lawfully do without any manner of Lett, Hinderance or Molestation Whatsoever. Witness: Thomas LLoyd, Deputy Govern'r of the Province of Pensilvania, &c., given at Philadelphia, aforesaid, with the assent of the Provincial Council, the Seventh day of the third-month, Anno Domi, 1691, and in the third year of the reign of King William and Queen Mary over England, &c. -- (On outside of Paper.) N.B. EX LIBRIS. Christiani Lehman. To be laid by for my Children. Dat'd Philada., August 23, 1771 (transcribed by Michel Metford-Platt)

Please see that I am unsubscribed. My health is failing rapidly. Praise the Lord that eternal life lies ahead. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanford L Landis" <snrland@juno.com> To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Elizabeth Theunis \ Tunis \ * Turnes \ Tennis > > Hi > I am a descendant of Leonard and Elizabeth ,I am looking for more > information on Elizabeth and her father Herman . Thanks > > Leonard Hendricks was born ABT 1698 in Germantown,Pa. and died > 2/25/1776 in Montgomery Co, PA. He married Elizabeth Theunis \ Tunis \ > Turnes \ Tennis in PA (resided Towamencin Twp, Montgomery Co), daughter > of Herman Theunis \ Tunis \ Turnes \ Tennis. > > Stanford L.Landis > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > We ***LOVE*** Original Source Material on this List. Please share if > you can, and if you will... > If you wish to place restrictions upon its use, let us know. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

To the LIST of ORIGINAL-13: I am re-sending this note just as I wrote it. I tried to send it to the Bill CANNON who is listed on the wonderful TUNES-KLINKEN site, but my note bounced. Soooo...Would anyone else care to respond to "my brick wall"? Thank you: Dxie (SCOTT) Hello, Bill CANNON: I have just gone through your delightful TUNIS ~ KLINKEN family site. Thank you for making this so public. My William A. TUNIS, b (c) 1773, married Lucy SURIN (Spelling not verified anywhere). He died sometime before November 16, 1846: probably in Sevierville, TN. I have him in 1820 ((see William A TEUNIS)) in Rutherford Co. TN @ between 26 / 45y = b) 1775 ~ 1794. There are 7 children: 4 females and 3 males, on the 1820 C. In 1824 he and family are in Sevier Co. TN and listed in Survey Book One pg. 140 & 272. I have copies being sent to me. Again in 1830, in Sevier Co. TN, William TUNIS @ 40 ~ 50y = b) 1780 ~ 1790. I have not found him in 1840. Lucy (SURIN) TUNIS appointed Andrew LAWSON, Attorney in Sevier Co. TN, to collect her dower as widow of (late) Wm. TUNIS. Witnessed by Geo. W. SEATON & Anderson MELTON. She is found again (@ 65y) in Dallas Co. MO, living with son, William TUNIS + 3 Grand Children, which appear not to belong to William. Lucy and William (Sr.) also had a daughter: Sarah TUNIS who married Joel SCOTT, about 1820 probably in Surry Co. NC(?). I have not found the marriage anywhere. She was born in 1795 by the census files and died before 1870, probably in Jefferson Co, TN. Sarah and Joel SCOTT had at least 10 children and one was James Tunis SCOTT: my Great Grandfather. I hope this is not too much for you to look into. My question is this: do you know how my William is connected to the early TUNIS (etc.) families in PA or elsewhere? I have gone through every listing that I can find, and I still do not know which family he came from. Any idea you might have will send me on another hunt. I think all clues are wonderful: even the negative ones. Then I know where not to look the next time. Thank you for your site and for reading my note. Dixie (SCOTT) LESTER

Hi Stanford, I am a relative of the Tunes/Tennis connection. Try this link and see if there is any info that may help you. Good Luck. This was not put together by me but a member of the Levering Family I believe. Who ever did it did a lot of extensive work. Give it a try. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dynamo53/tunis.htm Dave Tennis

Hi I am a descendant of Leonard and Elizabeth ,I am looking for more information on Elizabeth and her father Herman . Thanks Leonard Hendricks was born ABT 1698 in Germantown,Pa. and died 2/25/1776 in Montgomery Co, PA. He married Elizabeth Theunis \ Tunis \ Turnes \ Tennis in PA (resided Towamencin Twp, Montgomery Co), daughter of Herman Theunis \ Tunis \ Turnes \ Tennis. Stanford L.Landis

All, I came across this from another list tonight and is a must read (in my opinion). So I sending this to the various lists that I belong to that it may be of benefit. http://heritagequestmagazine.com/pdf/minert_win04.pdf Thank you for your time, Kevin L. Sholder Don't wait to make your Son a great man. Make him a great boy. --Unknown <http://www.kevin-sholder.net/genealogy/> LOCATIONS THAT I AM RESEARCHING - OHIO (Franklin, Meigs and Ross Counties) PENNSYLVANIA (Berks, Centre, Clinton, Lycoming, Northumberland and Sullivan Counties); GERMANY (Württemberg). TOP (60+) SCHOLDERER / SHOLDER SURNAMES THAT I AM RESEARCHING - Barnes, Bartlett, Beck, Bennett, Biichle, Brooks, Calkins, Cannon, Caputo, Carson, Crossley, Diparlo, Dooris, Ellis, Farr, Fox, Fry, Gondek, Greenawalt, Hafer, Harer, Haswell, Hoitink, Huggins, Jarrett, Kelchner, Kelley, Kelly, Kern, Kinley, Klees, Kriner, Lanz, Lewis, Lilley, Livermore, Livingston, Ludwig, Mahaffey, Mecum, Miller, Mosteller, Murray, Myers, Packard, Pasanault, Payne, Pittinger, Pompeo, Pryor, Ranck, Robinson, Roller, Schatz, Schauer, Scholderer, Sholder, Sinclair, Slusher, Stroble, Tieman, Updegraff, Weigle, Williamson, Willits and their connection into the Scholderer / Sholder family lines. OTHER SURNAMES THAT I AM RESEARCHING - Aderhold; Alexander; Bower; Campbell; Carpenter; Cohick; DeRemer; Hafer; Heim; Horn; Kiess; Kinley; Lovell; Mahaffey; Marquardt; Marshall; Metzger; Paulhamus (Polhemius); Pepperman; Rentz; Robinson; Roller; Sholder (Scholderer); Smith; Springman; Stabler; Stoltz; Ulmer; Updegraff (Op den Graeff); Waltz (Walz); Wurster and their related family lines.

Hi, It's been a while... I have been looking at the surname GREEN(A)WAY to see if it fits in with my FITZGERALD line. Now the name GREENWAY (I believe this is likely the correct spelling) is not unknown in early Philadelphia! Here is a quote from Watson: William Penn did not embark with his first colonists, but he sent out his cousin, captain William Markham, as his first deputy governor, to supply his place, and also to make needful buildings and preparations for the reception of the founder when he should arrive. To this end the finer parts of the frame work required for the construction of "Penn's Cottage" in Laetitia Court, and for "Pennsbury Palace", were freighted from England, together with Penn's workmen, (called "servants", in the parlance of that day), to set them up. The founder set sail from England in August, 1682, with Captain Greenway, in the ship Welcome, of 300 tons: --- a propitious name, and peculiarly so to those previously arrived colonists who were anxiously waiting his arrival. The passage was good, and the ship well filled with additional passengers, mostly Friends. But having had the misfortune to get the small pox on board, it proved fatal to nearly one third of the original hundred ! What a calamity in the outset ! Poor adventurers ! --- how these evils must have depressed their spirits and embittered their voyage ! What a spectacle, to see such numbers of their endeared relatives and companions in peril cast daily into the deep ! The recitals of this voyage were dwelt upon by the aged, and listened to by the young, in many succeeding years. They arrived first at New Castle on the 27th of October, 1682, --- a day hereafter devoted to commemorative festivals, by those who venerate the founder and his primitive associates. Here the founder was hailed with acclamations by the Swedes and Dutch then there. He forthwith made a call of the people at the Court-house, to address them on the business of his government. The ship, with the passengers, proceeded further up the river to the general rendezvous or settlement. If you have any knowledge of the surname, please contact me. Thanks, Vince Summers

The ORIGINAL-13 list deals with the original 13 families who settled in Germantown, Philadelphia, PA. The maps that you are looking at are of Germantown, Virginia. Gene Stackhouse, Germantown "Nascentes morimur, finisque ab origine pendet." Marcus Manilius ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: DDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWTQTIPW To: <ORIGINAL-13-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:22 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] map question > In a message dated 1/17/05 5:05:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > What is #1 and #2 on the map? > > What map of Germantown > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/germanna1729townmap.gif > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/littleforkmap%20(12).jpg > > copy and paste the above URL to go to the different pages. > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Please do not post just general Philadelphia information, but material > that is relevant to the 13 settling families of Germantown, PA, and > their descendant lines. Anything on these is A-OK. Thanks... > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 1/17/05 5:05:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, ORIGINAL-13-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > What is #1 and #2 on the map? > What map of Germantown http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/germanna1729townmap.gif http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/littleforkmap%20(12).jpg copy and paste the above URL to go to the different pages.

What is #1 and #2 on the map? What map of Germantown?

According to a map I printed from an "outline of the German town of 1789" Hoffman is listed on # 1 & 2. I'm going on the trip to Germany with the Germanna group. I would love to know the town where my Hoffman's came from. (I'm going to just adopt one of the Hoffman's if I don't find the exact Hoffman ^..^) My ancestor was David Hoffman b. 1746/1749. His father might have been Jürg and Margaretha Hoffman. I found the infomation in St Michaels Luthern Church in Germantown baptismal records. Phil. Co. Births PA I also have a newspaper article showing Johannes Hoffman g.g.grandfather of John P. Hoffman. His children (I can't figure out if this means his children meaning Johannes or John P.) are as follows Johannes, Elizabeth, Maria, catherine, Conrad, Barbara, Michael, Jacob and David who was b. on the sea while the family was making the trip to America. Just wondering if there is anybody out there who could shed any light on this infomation??? Harriet HOFFMAN Toothman