from 1757 on....to Loudoun Co, VA, and by the 1780s they were in Western PA, by 1810 in Ohio, GA, KY, by 1820, IN, IL, and by 1850 in CA, OR, and MO. After that virtually every conceivable migration trail. EXCEPTIONS--I have NEVER found a Kunders descendant in the South before 1900 except in GA and VA Huge numbers have stayed in Philadelphia, Montgomery Co., and NJ. Census records will confirm this pattern. So, sorry, nothing exciting!. Erik Conard-Denver

You mention Peter Weidner. Which one is this? Is it by chance Peter Arrell Brown Widener? If so, I have a goodly amount of stuff for you. Vince [email protected] wrote: > > Hi, > My lineage to the Original 13 is as follows: Abraham Tunes, Jacob & Alice > Tunes, Benjamin Levering, Susannah Levering & Peter Weidner, Charles Weidner, > Mary A. Weidner who married my great-great grandfather Joseph Norbury. In > Levering Family history the name was spelled as "Norbrey". Joseph was born > abt 1816, married Mary 04-05-1840, and died 04-27-1890. I have hit a brick > wall with Joseph. If anyone has come across Joseph Norbury, "Norbrey" or > "Norberry" in their searches, I would appreciate any help and will share > anything I have. > Thanks, > Julie > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Hi, My lineage to the Original 13 is as follows: Abraham Tunes, Jacob & Alice Tunes, Benjamin Levering, Susannah Levering & Peter Weidner, Charles Weidner, Mary A. Weidner who married my great-great grandfather Joseph Norbury. In Levering Family history the name was spelled as "Norbrey". Joseph was born abt 1816, married Mary 04-05-1840, and died 04-27-1890. I have hit a brick wall with Joseph. If anyone has come across Joseph Norbury, "Norbrey" or "Norberry" in their searches, I would appreciate any help and will share anything I have. Thanks, Julie

http://neptune.guestworld.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=Original13 Vince

Germany - Dahlen to Krefeldt to Germantown, PA to Horsham, Montgomery County, PA to Pleasant and Jackson Twps., Franklin County, Ohio about 1834. Joyce Althoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Caton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:51 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Lukens migration (at least my bit) > "Germany" - Dahlen to Krefeld to Germantown to Abington MM & Horsham in > Montgomery Co, PA, and Chester Co, PA > digression to Harford Co, MD > to Short Creek MM, Massie Twp, & Cadiz, all three in Harrison Co, OH & > Jefferson Co, OH from there to Gilead and Oregon, both in Holt Co, MO > from there to Bronaugh, MO to Long Beach California. > Others from Short Creek to Sterling, Whiteside, IL or Deerfield, Morgan, > OH > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

"Germany" - Dahlen to Krefeld to Germantown to Abington MM & Horsham in Montgomery Co, PA, and Chester Co, PA digression to Harford Co, MD to Short Creek MM, Massie Twp, & Cadiz, all three in Harrison Co, OH & Jefferson Co, OH from there to Gilead and Oregon, both in Holt Co, MO from there to Bronaugh, MO to Long Beach California. Others from Short Creek to Sterling, Whiteside, IL or Deerfield, Morgan, OH

I'm still trying to definitely prove my Updegrove/Op den Graef descent from Abraham. I have found several lineages on the sites, and while they seem to show the descent, I still need to prove that my John Updegraff of 1850 York Co, PA is the son John H. of Peter Updegraff. Please, anyone with records on the York Co PA Updegraffs/Updegroves, please contact me. As for a map of my line, it stayed in York Co until the last Updegrove of my line, Elizabeth Jane "Lizzie" Updegrove married Collin E. McCurdy and they lived in Maytown, Lancaster Co, PA and later in Evansville, IN where Collin worked for the American Tobacco Company. After he retired, they went to live with their only child, my maternal grandmother Helen Marguerite McCurdy (m to Thomas Timmons Moss) in Frankfort, KY. There they died. My mother, an only child, still makes her home in Frankfort. My brother and sister live in FL and I am in NC. How's that for not moving much until the present generation? Marguerite Atteberry Emmons **Ancestors of Lizzie Updegrove ..John Updegrove (b 1833 d 1915) m Martha A. Flury ....John Updegraff (b c 1800/02) m Mary ? ......Peter Updegraff (b c ?, d c 1823) m Frances "Franey" ........Herman Updegraff and so on back to Abraham, I think.

At 09:49 AM 4/18/2000 -0400, Vincent E. Summers wrote: >Here is a very difficult task that I think would really be neat, >nonetheless. If those of each surname among the 13 were to develop >little migratory charts of how their branch of the 13 surname, and >then submit them, with dates, to some designated individual who would >then represent that total surname. Hi Vince, This is from a quick scan of the STREEPER descendant's locations, on STREEPER name only, no descendants with other surnames: Pennsylvania: Many cities in Montgomery, Philadelphia and Chester Counties Illinois: Upper Alton, Chicago, Metamora, Fosterburg Iowa: Onslow, Davenport Idaho: Idaho Falls, Rigby, Ririe, Pocatello Missouri: Kansas City, St. Louis, Jackson City, Lamar New Jersey: Trenton, Daretown Ohio: Conneaut, Cleveland Kansas: Atchison Massachusetts: Watertown, Lowell Alaska: Ketchakan Florida: (can't find reference right now) Washington: Seattle Indiana: Fort Wayne California: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Pasadena, San Diego, Palo Alto Utah: Salt Lake, Ogden, etc. etc. Some of these locations have heavy concentrations of STREEPER families. In other locations, I have only found one or two of the name. By far, the majority of people in my data base with STREEPER as a surname are found in Pennsylvania. Maurine Ward

Here is a very difficult task that I think would really be neat, nonetheless. If those of each surname among the 13 were to develop little migratory charts of how their branch of the 13 surname, and then submit them, with dates, to some designated individual who would then represent that total surname. Then taking those and submitting them to someone who could assemble a grand chart, that could be submitted to Liese (after all was said and done), to be put on her homepage of the 13! All kinds of neat things could come from that. Unrealistic as it might be, I envision a clickable image map made from that chart, with images and biographies and geographical/city links. Vince

Go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~pacheste/chester.htm Click Ships Lists in left frame. Click New Location URL Click The Concord Vince [email protected] wrote: > > Dumb question maybe, but who exactly was aboard the Concord? In other words > were there others besides our famous ancestors of Germantown? Where might I > find a posting online with the names? > > Thanks folks! > Barb > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Thanks, Erik, for making me explore just a bit to find this easy way to tell others how they can subscribe, search the archives, etc. Actually, it is very straightforward, and we are very easy to find. Go to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/PA/misc.html Scroll down to (We are at the bottom of the page): ORIGINAL-13-L and just click! Be sure to invite others. Just bookmark the URL I have shown here. Vince

Dumb question maybe, but who exactly was aboard the Concord? In other words were there others besides our famous ancestors of Germantown? Where might I find a posting online with the names? Thanks folks! Barb

Please note, friends, the following addresses! They are important to this group. I keep trying to get rootsweb to fix the Taglines so that they will always appear with each email, but, so far, no success! Great HOMEPAGE by Liese: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ Interactive Search for the new archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Enter Original-13-L and hit Submit Query. Then enter your search... [email protected] if you have any problems of a serious nature with this list. Vince Summers

Hi, Lee... I am assuming you have not heard from others, though common sense would tell me that you had... Yes, the Original 13 have been posted a number of times, and they are GERMANTOWN. In fact, they connect to Kite which connects, as you know, to Widener! In my earlier days, you may remember how you were able to help me so much to get started. This email list is my email list! It used to be on Listbot, but is now on Rootsweb. Here are the names, then, recognizing, please, that there are various spellings of the same name! Dirk Op Den Graeff --> Updegrove, Uptegraff, etc.,etc. Herman Op Den Graeff Abraham Op Den Graeff Tuenes Kunders --> Thones Kunders and many spellings otherwise Lenert Arens --> Leonard Reinert Tisen --> Tyson, etc. Wilhelm Strepers --> Streepers, Streypers Jan Lensen Peter Keurlis --> Kerlin, etc. Jan Siemens --> Siemons, etc. Johann Bleikers --> Blijckers, Blakers, etc. Abraham Tuenes --> Tunes, Tunis, Tennis, Dennis, etc. Jan Lueken --> Luckens, Lucken, Luken, Lyken, etc. and their families Vince

Yes, the list works around the original 13 settlers of Germantown. Here is a copy of the list made from a previous post. Dirk Op Den Graeff Herman Op Den Graeff Abraham Op Den Graeff Tuenes Kunders Lenert Arens Reinert TIsen Wilhelm Strepers Jan Lensen Peter Keurlis Jan Siemens Johann Bleikers Abraham Tuenes Jan Lueken

I am looking for information on The Abbett Family. William Abbett son Of Jonathan Abbett Both of Bucks County Pa. Married Catharine Cunnard. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/m/i/Patricia-D-Smith/index.html thank you Pati Smith

Being a 'johnny-come-lately' to the ORIGINAL-13 list, may I inquire [as I assume] that 'we' are talking about the original 13 families into Germantown? Or did I really get lost? Looking for some information about Christopher Wagenseller and as I don't think I know the listing of the original thirteen, figured someone here might have some information. His grandson married a Weidner that I'm tracking. Have you posted the original thirteen? Regards Lee Widner

Here is a list of George STREEPERs from my STREEPER data base. If you have information on any of these individuals, please contact me. Maurine Ward George STREEPER b abt 1879 parents John STREEPER and Barbara. b abt 1776 Marion, Montgomery, PA to Abraham STREEPER and Hannah ROBERTS. b 30 Sep 1778 d 10 Feb 1818, bur Barren Hill, PA. b 27 Nov 1780 d 2 Apr 1824 bur Upper Germantown burial ground. b 5 Sep 1811 of Germantown d 24 Jun 1827 parents Henry STREEPER and Prudence LEHR. b 7 Feb 1782 Whitemarsh, Montgomery, PA d 4 Set 1864 bur Barren Hill md 11 Jun 1807 to Elizabeth HINKEL. b 11 Feb 1834 Germantown d 30 May 1892 Philadelphia bur Ivy Hill cemetery, Philadelphia (Huxter) md Margaret LEHMAN, Ann Catherine WOLF, and Victoria L. SANDS. b 1 Nov 1835 of Philadelphia d 22 May 1836 bur Barren Hill parents Charles STREEPER and Catherine. b abt 1854 of Philadelpha parents Charles S. STREEPER and Catherine/Ann Catherine PETERMAN. b abt 1861, PA parents John STREEPER and Mary Ann SIGNS/SIMES. b 27 Sep 1902 d Nov 1986 of Philadelphia. b 29 Mar 1909 d 24 Nov 1990 of Philadelphia. b 1834 Trenton, Mercer, New Jersey md 1856 to Emma BECKET (Butcher). George Elmer STREEPER b 2 Mar 1864 of PA d 17 Jul 1864 bur Barren Hill parents Daniel Peter STREEPER and Suzanna FREAS George L. STREEPER b 10 Feb 1835 Whitemarsh, Montgomery, PA d 19 Feb 1835 parents Leonard A. STREEPER and Ann Elizabeth FLETCHER. George W. STREEPER Of PA wife Sarah R. daughter was Annie who d 7 Nov 1877 and was bur in Barren Hill. b 1 Jul 1785 d 19 Jun 1846 bur Abington Presbyterian church cemetery. b 26 Jan 1817 Philadelphia d 6 Aug 1848 Philadelphia md 31 Mar 1839 Philadelphia to Mary V. AXID parents Christopher STREEPER and Catherine BROOKS. b 1868 Chestnut Hill d 29 Apr 1955 bur Ivy Hill cemetery, Philadelphia parents George STREEPER and Ann Catherine WOLF. George Washington STREEPER b 16 Dec 1802 Philadelphia parents Joseph George STREEPER Sr. and Mary Kingston PARKER.

I don't know if the members of this list are aware of, but there is a publication "Krefeld Immigrants and their Descendents", published 2X/year. I have just received the topical indexes and there appears to be a wealth of info on the Original 13. The editor is Iris Carter Jones: [email protected] Happy Hunting. Kathy

As my subject line stated it's further on Eliz Lukens - maybe that doesn't show up on the posting?