Alright. Since this was mentioned to the group, I will give the answer to the group. There is totally no envy here. The trouble is that cyberspace is hard to evaluate by everyone. It was not meant as a slur to the chinese, it was not meant as a slur to the Germantown Historical Society, it was none of these. It was just a gag, based on the times. Everything that a tourist may pick up seems, these days, to be made in China. For instance, I work for the National Radio Astronomy Observatory. We have built a group of telescopes called the VLA. The very large array. It featured in that corny movie (which I had the good sense not to go see) called CONTACT with Jodie Foster in it. Sorry if you liked that movie. It is just how I see it. The VLA is at its 20th year. Hence, 20th year celebration stuff is being released. We all got a tie-pin. Guess where it was made? Now you know why the joke. Vince [email protected] wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > get this out first.. I DON'T have the Mug... But how many of you have > something in your area Like the placers that Celebrate Octoberfest? we > have a couple here and the shops have Awesome work in them, Different > Area German Histories, Name and meaning charts, Just thought maybe all > thought that was just for new stuff, but it is not.. > And Vince, I can't believe you said that about China on the bottom... Do > you have Very Green eyes right now <G> j/k > but she was happy that is what counts.. I am the town dummy about Ebay, > do you have to pay anything to Join? My dad has about 50 Collector > plates, from the fifties and sixties... could we list those on Ebay? > > And Beyond Personal Love of it, is there a Place I can Find out More > About this Special Edition 1882 Edition of the 400 year Celebration of > Christopher Columbus coming to America. I Believe it was of course Made > in PA, but it is like nothing I have ever seen, and I am sure not the > kind of Bible they used to take to Church, ESPEcially if they walked... > > Okay Back to Group stuff... > On Early Immigration info , I can find a NEISS Family and a NUESS Family, > and they changed to NICE.. Does anyone have any of this Family in their > lines? > I think Summer and kicds getting out of school and people going on > Vacation we are REALLY slowing down here, as Far as Moving Forward on the > Info coming out. > > Anywhooo I hope you all have a happy safe, and not so blooming hot > summer.. > Hope we can get back to names soon... > > {{{HUGS}}}} > Cali > > And Susan, Thanks Sweetie for checking those things out for me, it was > Very Kind of you , I appreciate it Muchly... > > Cali's German PA, Genealogy > http://www,geocities.com/heartland/Falls/3610 > > I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors > in the first > page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Hi All, get this out first.. I DON'T have the Mug... But how many of you have something in your area Like the placers that Celebrate Octoberfest? we have a couple here and the shops have Awesome work in them, Different Area German Histories, Name and meaning charts, Just thought maybe all thought that was just for new stuff, but it is not.. And Vince, I can't believe you said that about China on the bottom... Do you have Very Green eyes right now <G> j/k but she was happy that is what counts.. I am the town dummy about Ebay, do you have to pay anything to Join? My dad has about 50 Collector plates, from the fifties and sixties... could we list those on Ebay? And Beyond Personal Love of it, is there a Place I can Find out More About this Special Edition 1882 Edition of the 400 year Celebration of Christopher Columbus coming to America. I Believe it was of course Made in PA, but it is like nothing I have ever seen, and I am sure not the kind of Bible they used to take to Church, ESPEcially if they walked... Okay Back to Group stuff... On Early Immigration info , I can find a NEISS Family and a NUESS Family, and they changed to NICE.. Does anyone have any of this Family in their lines? I think Summer and kicds getting out of school and people going on Vacation we are REALLY slowing down here, as Far as Moving Forward on the Info coming out. Anywhooo I hope you all have a happy safe, and not so blooming hot summer.. Hope we can get back to names soon... {{{HUGS}}}} Cali And Susan, Thanks Sweetie for checking those things out for me, it was Very Kind of you , I appreciate it Muchly... Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www,geocities.com/heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

R. D. and Jewell Thomas, Your 4th generation Thomas Potts, b. abt 1727 mar Elizabeth Lukens, b. abt 1727 to William Lukens and Elizabeth Tyson. Williams parents were Jan Lucken, b. 1655, d. 1744, and Merken Gastes. Jan and Mercken were members of the Original 13 aboard the Concord and amoung th first German settlers of Germantown. (Now a part of Philadelphia, Pa., located in the northwestern part of same) In addition to Rebecca, Thomas Potts and Elizabeth Lukens had several children among them Elizabeth Potts, who mar Robert Barnhill, from there is a direct connection to President Theodore Roosevelt. Is there any connection between your Bones (Bownes) who mar into the James Cock (my husband's ancestor) family of Locust Valley, Long Island, New York? Hope this info is helpful, Mary Deaves

Vince No offense but it did make me look on the bottom of the mug. It says W. Germany, best as I can say. Hard to read. Even if it was made in Japan it would be okay by me. I did take this totally as a joke but just thought everyone else would be interested in our dialogue. Not every immigrant's ship has a mug from Japan or anywhere. I never expected it to be an antique at all. Just proud to have it! I would like to know if anyone else comes across one. In the mean time, I will hold on to it until antique roadshow can tell me how many where made. Another joke! Barb

I still have a supply of the stamps available, I found some more at a local stamp show. If anyone wants more contact me. Thanks

Group O 13 Thanks to everyone who answered my post. I had found out from the dictionary also where the name for the Graf Zeppelin came from. I did know Graf means count but also feel some of the Grafs (any spelling) might be our kin. Just thought at first glance could be named for our people, and of course shot off the question to the group a little to quick. Also have wondered about our family connection to the Graef House or Declaration House in Philly. Sorry this was the only mug I have seen anywhere but from what Vince wrote maybe there will be others popping up for sale places. Does anyone know if the Germantown Historical Society sold one for the 300th anniversay? Gene? Barb Locker

A person who may be interested in joining us, has submitted this information to see if you can connect him to the 13... Oh, BTW, that letter where I mentioned the Chinese Lettering on the bottom of the cup, and the thought that it may have been a cup from the Germantown Celebration, should not be taken seriously. I was teasing about the writing, and I did not mean to connect that paragraph to the one about the Germantown Historical Society. Quite often I make large jumps in thought content between paragraphs. Actually the letter was a private one at that, that was quoted publicly, though I am not fussing about that... Here is that POTTS data, then... Dear Mr. Summers: While researching my wife's Bone family, I ran across notes on her Potts line. I have not confirmed this information, but it might be connected to that PA group. I know next to nothing about PA history; where is Germantown? Thank you, R. D. and Jewell Thomas Here are the Potts (rhymes with oats) Notes: Descendants of Thomas POTTS 1 Thomas POTTS b: Abt. 1640 in Lichfield, Staffordshire ENG d: in Chester Co. PA .. +UNKNOWN Thomas arrived in New Jersey on "The Shield" in 1678. He was a Quaker, and settled in Philadelphia. He acquired land in Chester Co. in 1688 (implying he was indentured to pay off his passage) and died there. ... 2 Thomas POTTS b: Abt. 1671 ....... +Sarah UNKNOWN b: Abt. 1676 ......... 3 John POTTS b: 08 September 1696 in Bristol, Philidelphia PA d: 1766 in Philidelphia PA ............. +Elizabeth MCVEAGH b: 1697 in PA m: 1726 in Abington, Philidelphia PA d: 05 January 1791 in PA ............... 4 Thomas POTTS b: Abt. 1727 in Lancaster Co. PA d: Abt. 1774 in Anson Co. NC Thomas, with his brother Henry and John A. Bone, moved from Lancaster Co. Pennsylvania to Bladen Co., North Carolina, when Thomas purchased land there in 1749. In 1753, Thomas was named Justice of the Peace in Anson (formerly Bladen) Co., and held that position until 1774. ................... +Elizabeth LUKENS b: Abt. 1727 in PA m: Abt. 1752 in Bladen? Co. NC Father: William LUKEN Mother: Elizabeth TYSON ..................... 5 Rebecca POTTS b: 1766 in Anson Co. NC d: 1822 in Wilson Co. TN ......................... +John A. BONE b: 1757 in Rowan Co. NC m: 24 October 1787 in Mecklenberg Co. NC d: September 1827 in Wilson Co. TN Father: John A. BONE Mother: Margaret HILL ..................... 5 Asenath POTTS b: Abt. 1768 in Anson Co. NC d: 1840 in Wilson Co. TN ......................... +James R. BONE b: 1759 in Rowan Co. NC m: Abt. 1792 in Mecklenburg Co. NC d: 13 April 1846 in Independance Co. AR Father: John A. BONE Mother: Margaret HILL ..................... 5 Elizabeth POTTS b: 27 January 1749/50 in Salisbury Dist, Rowan Co. NC d: 27 August 1807 in Maury Co. TN ......................... +William BONE b: 1744 in Lancaster Co. PA m: 10 March 1781 in Rowan Co. NC d: 07 July 1828 in Iredell Co. NC Father: William BONE ..................... 5 William Lukens POTTS b: Abt. 1760 in Anson Co. NC ..................... 5 Henry Houston POTTS b: 1764 in Anson Co. NC ..................... 5 James M. POTTS b: Abt. 1754 in Anson Co. NC ............... 4 Henry POTTS b: Abt. 1729 in Lancaster Co. PA d: 1775 in Iredell Co.? NC ................... +Margaret UNKNOWN b: Abt. 1734 ..................... 5 James POTTS b: 07 March 1757 in Rowan Co. NC d: March 1844 in Peytonsville, Williamson Co. TN ......................... +Celia GIVENS b: Abt. 1768 in Salisbury Dist. NC m: Abt. 1784 d: Aft. 01 September 1850 in Lick Creek, Williamson Co. TN ..................... 5 William POTTS b: Abt. 1754 ......................... +Margaret PURVIANCE b: 17 February 1768 in NC m: 23 May 1787 in Rowan Co. NC Father: James PURVIANCE Mother: Sarah WASSON ..................... 5 Henry Houston POTTS b: Abt. 1756 d: in Preble Co. OH? ..................... 5 Margaret POTTS b: Abt. 1758 ..................... 5 Mary POTTS b: Abt. 1760 ..................... 5 Sarah POTTS b: Abt. 1762 ......... 3 Thomas POTTS b: Abt. 1692 ......... 3 Henry POTTS b: Abt. 1694 Vince

[email protected] wrote: > > Kind of off the subject but... just found out that there was a postage stamp > issued with the "Graf Zeppelin" (dirigible) on it. Don't know the year but > could find out. Now the most valuable US postage stamp (at least until about > 1996). Now what interests us, anybody know why it is called Graf ? Graf is German for Count (the title). Jan

Greetings, searchers: As some of you are aware, I am planning a trip to Krefeld, Germany later this month. In doing some research in preparation for the trip, I came across the fact that Charlotte, NC is a sister city to Krefeld, and there is a page devoted to Krefeld on Charlotte's website. The URL is: http://www.charweb.org/organizations/international/sister_cities/krefeld.html It mentions a "Philadelphia House," which was erected in honor of the 13 families which settled Philadelphia (Germantown). Does anyone know of this Philadelphia House from your travels or reading? I have heard of the Philadelphiastrasse, and in fact have a picture of that sent by someone on the previous Original-13 list, but nothing about the house. Anyone??? David Updegraff [email protected]

Hi Cathy, I have John Nash and Susanna Uptegrove Tyson, also William Uptegrove Tyson as son, b.23 Aug 1782, but have no spouse for him. As I have said before my Tyson family is that of Cornelius Tyson, so then are John and William. However I do not have a John Uptegrove Tyson, but I do have a Jacob. Actually, all the children I have are: Abraham, William, Mary, Jacob and Hannah. And Jacob is the only one I have a spouse for. He married Elizabeth Bergey. I visit the LDS on Tuesdays, so could look William up again now that I know his parents and grandparents names. Susan Hunsicker [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Vincent E. Summers) To: [email protected] Did they manage to successfully remove the Made in China off the bottom? Sounds like it might have been part of the 300 year celebration held by the Germantown Historical Society or some such? Sounds like you are one very happy person! Vince

Oh did the Germantown Historical Society make one? On the front is a mark 0.5L GERZ Whereever it might have been made there can't be a zillion out there. Only paid $10 and how many families have a beer mug for the ship their ancestors came over on? Special to me even if not valuable.

Kind of off the subject but... just found out that there was a postage stamp issued with the "Graf Zeppelin" (dirigible) on it. Don't know the year but could find out. Now the most valuable US postage stamp (at least until about 1996). Now what interests us, anybody know why it is called Graf ? ~~~ And also, I have been holding out on you folks. Saw a beer stein on ebay which I bid on and won (that's the holding out part-I told none of you while bidding). This stein has the Concord ship in the center, with "1683 - 1983." Above the ship, " 300 years of Germans in America." Below in German "300 Jahre of Deutsche in America." US flag on the left and German on the right. Am I thrilled? Now you'll all say you have one too ;-) Barb Locker

I've been watching the UPTHEGROVE discussion with much interest. My g-g-grandmother was an UPDEGRAFF. Her grandfather was Isaac UPDEGRAFF (AKA UPDEGROVE), born in 1790 in PA. I believe his father was also an Isaac. One researcher on our line has the parents of Isaac SR as John UPDEGRAFF (UPEGROVE) and Elizabeth BENFIELD. Isaac SR had a brother named Conrad. This link is not documented (yet!). Anyone familiar with this line? Gene Majors ----- Original Message ----- From: Liese Uptegrove-Ade <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Here comes Canada > Regarding the Death Penalty for being a Loyalist.. I'm not sure yet what the > motivation was for this John Upthegrove to go up into Canada, he was > recorded as being in the NJ Militia. I suspect he was a Loyalist, and if so, > would imagine that his neighbors might not give him a warm reception in his > home town after the war <g>. Either way, it might be incentive enough to > leave... but there's a story that he went off to settle on lands that were > allotted for the Loyalists by the Queen, and nothing else has surfaced yet. > > On a side note, I also found a John & Peter Uptigrave in Sussex Co., Newton > NJ (War) Census in 1790? May have been 2 John's, (although so far I have > found no indication of more than one) or, the above mentioned John > Upthegrove left NJ for Canada after 1790?? Although 7 years seems like a > long time to hang around if you're facing the death penalty, or wrath from > patriots. > > What state, county, province or patent did Jonathan CHEW live in? > > >>>The judge who convicted him was his first-cousin's husband, Michael > FISHER!<<< > > It's so tragic how these families were strained and split apart due to the > war...and if there ever was a perfect example of it, this is it! > > Liese > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent Summers <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:20 PM > Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Here comes Canada > > > > > > Is this due to the LOYALIST classification that my Jonathan CHEW > > also carried? He had to go to Canada to avoid the death penalty. > > The judge who convicted him was his first-cousin's husband, Michael > > FISHER! > > > > Vince > > > > Liese Uptegrove-Ade wrote: > > > > > > Hi Roy, > > > > > > Do you know the approximate date of birth for Isaac Uptegrove, father of > > > H.R. Uptegrove? > > > > > > It's noted in Cathy Berger's compilation of Clyde Shanks works that > there > > > has been one branch of Updegrove/Uptegrove's (etc) went to Canada during > or > > > directly after the Rev. War. In particular, a "John", b. abt. 1735-1750. > > > > > > I've also done some research on this branch (still have a long way to > go), > > > and it also appears that some of them stayed in NY/NJ, and some went up > to > > > Canada and then came back down again in the early 1800s... some stayed > in > > > Canada. According to land deeds, survey maps, and tax rolls, and > marriages, > > > there are those who came back down from Canada who appear to be very > closely > > > connected to my own branch who had settled in the Orange County NY, & > Sussex > > > County, NJ border region. But there were also others that ended up > > > somewhere in the middle, between Canada & NY that at this point have not > > > been fit in to the mesh yet. > > > > > > I was just contacted by an "Ubdegrove" (a census is blamed for the > spelling > > > <g>), who lives in Canada, and goes back many generations there. I have > not > > > had a chance to exchange notes with this person yet, but if you'd like I > can > > > either pass along what I find, or put you in contact with them. > > > > > > Liese > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Roy O'Grady <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 2:35 PM > > > Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Here comes Canada > > > > > > > > > > > My Mother was Evelyn A. Uptegrove, daughter of H.R. Uptegrove and > Grace > > > > W. > > > > Uptegrove(Hobson). H.R is son of Isaac U. > > > > In the Can. Census of 1871 we find Louisa Uptegrove,Fem.,64yrs.,Brn. > New > > > > Brunswick. Canada. Baptist, Seamstress, Widow. Then Isaac > > > > Uptegrove,Male,21, > > > > Ontario,Methodist, Blacksmith, Single.Later this came up: Isaac > > > > Uptegrove,53yrs., > > > > Blacksmith, died 8 Dec.,1900, in Waterford, Ont.. Survived by his > wife, > > > > 1son and 2 daughters. Thank you for this wonderful history of our > > > > family. > > > > Regards--Roy O'Grady, grandson of H.R. Uptegrove. > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

Susan, Do you know if your area in Waterloo, ON carries any records on Loyalist Land Grants? Liese ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Hunsicker <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Here comes Canada > > Hi Gang, > > I would be only too happy to do research in the Waterloo, ON, Canada area if > that is your wish, Cathy. I will not be hard to do as our local library has > the census records for that area back to 1840 or so. Just give me a circa > date, and I will see what comes up. > > Susan Hunsicker > Brantford, Ontario > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi All, Cathy, Thank You! And by all means, I would be thrilled to accept all 3 proposals...Names, Facts, Encouragement... with both barrels!! There's a sizable chunk of info missing on the Canada/NJ/NY aspect, and hopefully we can start to pin this down. Liese ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathy Berger <[email protected]> To: Liese Uptegrove-Ade <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Here comes Canada > > Liese, I have a whole list of researchers looking for Canadian and New > York/New Jersey Updegroves! I was never able to make the link, though I > believe they are of the same family originally. Do you want names? facts? > encouragement to find the link? I can give you all three! > > Cathy > > >

Hi Gang, I would be only too happy to do research in the Waterloo, ON, Canada area if that is your wish, Cathy. I will not be hard to do as our local library has the census records for that area back to 1840 or so. Just give me a circa date, and I will see what comes up. Susan Hunsicker Brantford, Ontario

Liese, I have a whole list of researchers looking for Canadian and New York/New Jersey Updegroves! I was never able to make the link, though I believe they are of the same family originally. Do you want names? facts? encouragement to find the link? I can give you all three! Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Liese Uptegrove-Ade <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Here comes Canada > Hi Roy, > > Do you know the approximate date of birth for Isaac Uptegrove, father of > H.R. Uptegrove? > > It's noted in Cathy Berger's compilation of Clyde Shanks works that there > has been one branch of Updegrove/Uptegrove's (etc) went to Canada during or > directly after the Rev. War. In particular, a "John", b. abt. 1735-1750. > > I've also done some research on this branch (still have a long way to go), > and it also appears that some of them stayed in NY/NJ, and some went up to > Canada and then came back down again in the early 1800s... some stayed in > Canada. According to land deeds, survey maps, and tax rolls, and marriages, > there are those who came back down from Canada who appear to be very closely > connected to my own branch who had settled in the Orange County NY, & Sussex > County, NJ border region. But there were also others that ended up > somewhere in the middle, between Canada & NY that at this point have not > been fit in to the mesh yet. > > I was just contacted by an "Ubdegrove" (a census is blamed for the spelling > <g>), who lives in Canada, and goes back many generations there. I have not > had a chance to exchange notes with this person yet, but if you'd like I can > either pass along what I find, or put you in contact with them. > > Liese > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roy O'Grady <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 2:35 PM > Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Here comes Canada > > > > > > My Mother was Evelyn A. Uptegrove, daughter of H.R. Uptegrove and Grace > > W. > > Uptegrove(Hobson). H.R is son of Isaac U. > > In the Can. Census of 1871 we find Louisa Uptegrove,Fem.,64yrs.,Brn. New > > Brunswick. Canada. Baptist, Seamstress, Widow. Then Isaac > > Uptegrove,Male,21, > > Ontario,Methodist, Blacksmith, Single.Later this came up: Isaac > > Uptegrove,53yrs., > > Blacksmith, died 8 Dec.,1900, in Waterford, Ont.. Survived by his wife, > > 1son and 2 daughters. Thank you for this wonderful history of our > > family. > > Regards--Roy O'Grady, grandson of H.R. Uptegrove. > > > > > > ============================== > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > >

I neglected to request that any answers to my previous message be sent to the list. Others might be interested in this information.

In respons to Vince's message, I am listing how my JARRETT ancestors are related to the Crefeld 13. I have the following ancestors who are connected to the JARRETT line. John JARRETT (GERRETT) b Scotland date n/k., m Mary LUKENS, dau of Johann LUCKEN and Mary THEISSEN 29 Oct 1712 Their son, John JARRETT, Jr., b. 3 May 1718 in Horsham, PA , m Alice CONRADS, dau of John CONRADS and Alace LUKENS, 28 Feb 1739/40. This is a bare outline of this line. I will be interested to anyone who had further information, and I will share what I have as well. The Original 13 intermarried with many other early Quakers. Dulcy