Good Morning all, Re WFT. It does in fact, stand for World Family Tree. Agree with you on the dates. They are practically useless. The broad range that they use for a possible death date is based on a guess as to birth and then they add 60-70 years. Not your best estimate. (but they do put a tag on FTM data) I use both FTM and Family Origins. FO is the favorite though. On the main record screen, you have an option of displaying the selected person in either 'Family Group' or 'Tree' mode. You get five generations displayed at once. So one can assume that the folks in one generation will fall within the ball park as to birth dates. I don't enter a date but if I am looking for an individual I can at least have an educated guess as to when they existed. The same thing can be done when printing out (or displaying on the screen) a pedigree chart. I can, for instance, estimate my 7th great grandfathers time frame by knowing that my 6th great grandfathers (all of them) lived between 1710 and 1730. The other people of that generation range in birth dates from 1715-1730. Best way of estimating that I have discovered. Also I believe a generation is considered 30 years. Average age when people would produce children. Certainly before and afterward, but the average. So if I didn't know Hendrick Pannebecker's dob, but I do know he is my 6th great grandfather. Then I could see there are 8 generations between Hendrick and me, so 8 times 30 = 240. I was born in 1934 so subtract the 240 from my dob and end up with a estimate of 1694. Hendrick was actually born in 1674 and married in 1699 so that isn't bad. Certainly closer than WFT Est. Later Ron Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent E. Summers <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Estimating dates > When I first began my genealogical endeavors, I, like so many others, > went through the FTM files that come with the software package. I had > bought the Deluxe package. If I had it over, I would have still bought > it, but bought the el cheapo package. > > Nevertheless, FTM data lists WFT Est. dates. This stands for World > Family Tree (I think) and is hooey. So now, I merely erase all such > references. I leave a blank. Never hurt a soul, and will mislead no > one. Anyone looking at it will say "He doesn't know that date." > > I, for only research purposes, will subtract 19-22 years for a > generation, to see if it is reasonable for a certain candidate to > fit. But there have been times when I have been 20 or 30 or more > years off! Around civil war times, hey! there were no young men! A > young widow wants a husband and a father for her kids. Ain't nothing > wrong with that!! And so it is that I will list a relative 58 with > a mate in her twenties or so. The first one died. > > So, I am careful to merely look at the 19-22 years as just a guide, as > I am sure our original poster does also. > > Vince > > Marilyn Bosckis wrote: > > > > ><< To guess at year of birth, to fit the right > > > generation is Take away about 20 yrs from the child's birth date.. if you > > > do not have that and do have a marriage date, estimate marriage at age > > > 20ish, then you have your Estimate... If they had Children add one year > > > from the year of the first child born... >> > > > > > >Just be aware that it is only a GUESS! > > > > I've noticed that when people post their family trees on the Web, the > > information can take on more authority than it deserves and it is repeated > > as gospel. My grandmother's youngest sister is shown as the oldest sibling > > in her descendant tree. My grandmother, who was really the oldest sister, > > is shown with an estimated birthdate later than that of the actual > > birthdate of her oldest child. > > > > Marilyn > > Sequim, WA > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Let me know if you have suggestions! These are only preliminary tag lines. Vince

I haven't posted for a long time, but continue to read the posts. I am a Tennis and a descendant through the Tunis, Tunes, Tennis line. I still have a lot of blanks that need filling if anyone is also working on this line. The info I have for Abraham I have picked up from the list so if someone could give me sources, and more info I would appreciate any help. I am including my chart for 5 generations starting with Abraham Tunes. If there are any errors please let me know. Thanks for the help. Sandra Tennis Hoyt Descendants of Abraham Tunes Generation No. 1 1. ABRAHAM TUNES was born Abt. 1660 in Krefeld, Germany, and died Bet. 1710 - 1720 in Germantown, Pennsylvania. He married (1) BATHSHEBA. He married (2) BEATRIX LUCKEN Bef. 1683 in Germantown, Pennsylvania, daughter of WILHELM LUCKEN. Children of ABRAHAM TUNES and BATHSHEBA are: i. ELIZABETH TENNIS, b. 2 May 1685, Germantown, Chester County, Pennsylvania. 2. ii. WILLIAM TENNIS, b. 2 November 1685; d. 1748. iii. TRINTJE (CATHERINE) TENNIS, b. 16 January 1686/87, Germantown, Chester County, Pennsylvania. Child of ABRAHAM TUNES and BEATRIX LUCKEN is: iv. ANTHONY TUNES, b. 24 January 1693/94, Germantown, Pennsylvania; d. 30 July 1762, Lower Merion Township, Delaware County, Pennsylvania. Generation No. 2 2. WILLIAM TENNIS (ABRAHAM1 TUNES) was born 2 November 1685, and died 1748. He married (1) MAGDELENA LEVERING, daughter of JOHN LEVERING and MAGDALENA BOKERS. She was born 4 June 1696 in Roxborough, Pennsylvania, and died Bef. May 1736. He married (2) CHRISTIAN. Children of WILLIAM TENNIS and MAGDELENA LEVERING are: i. JOHN TENNIS, b. Abt. 1714, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania 3. ii. SAMUEL TENNIS, b. 9 January 1715/16, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania; d. 16 March 1803, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. iii. ANTHONY TENNIS, b. Abt. 1718. iv. ABRAHAM TENNIS, b. Abt. 1720, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania Generation No. 3 3. SAMUEL TENNIS (WILLIAM2, ABRAHAM1 TUNES) was born 9 January 1715/16 in Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, and died 16 March 1803 in Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. He married CATHARINE MORGAN Abt. 1737 in Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, daughter of WILLIAM MORGAN. She was born 24 July 1723, and died 24 February 1801 in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. Children of SAMUEL TENNIS and CATHARINE MORGAN are: 4. i. MAGDELENA TENNIS, b. Abt. 1738, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. 5. ii. WILLIAM TENNIS, b. Abt. 1740, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania; d. 30 June 1831, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. 6. iii. LAVINA TENNIS, b. Abt. 1742, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. 7. iv. CATHERINE TENNIS, b. Abt. 1744, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania; d. Bef. 1797. 8. v. SAMUEL TENNIS, b. Abt. 1745, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania; d. Aft. 1830, Mason County, Kentucky. vi. HANNAH TENNIS, b. Abt. 1748, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania; m. MORDECAI DAVIS, 9 December 1769. 9. vii. ISRAEL TENNIS, b. Abt. 1750, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania; d. 8 September 1790, Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. Generation No. 4 8. SAMUEL TENNIS (SAMUEL3, WILLIAM2, ABRAHAM1 TUNES) was born Abt. 1745 in Towamencin, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, and died Aft. 1830 in Mason County, Kentucky. He married ELEANOR SACHEVERELL Abt. 1775 in Buckingham, Pennsylvania Children of SAMUEL TENNIS and ELEANOR SACHEVERELL are: i. TABIA TENNIS, b. Abt. 1776, Buckingham, Pennsylvania; m. BENJAMIN LEECH, 13 December 1797, Mason County, Kentucky. 12. ii. SARAH ANN TENNIS, b. 1778, Pennsylvania; d. 14 October 1844. iii. ELIZABETH TENNIS, b. Abt. 1780, Mason County, Kentucky; m. ELLIS DWIER, 30 May 1803, Mason County, Kentucky; b. 1753, Virginia. 13. iv. JOHN TENNIS, b. 1 October 1783, Bucks County, Pennsylvania; d. 18 February 1867, Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky. v. ANNE TENNIS, b. Abt. 1784; m. ELISHA GIFFORD, 20 December 1805. vi. MARGARET TENNIS, b. Abt. 1786, Mason County, Kentucky; m. JOHN GINN, 18 February 1811, Mason County, Kentucky vii. JULIET TENNIS, b. Abt. 1788, Mason County, Kentucky; m. SAMUEL TAYLOR, 11 November 1816, Maysville, Mason County, Kentucky viii. MARY TENNIS, b. Abt. 1790, Mason County, Kentucky; m. WILLIAM HOWELL, 28 February 1815, Mason County, Kentucky. 14. ix. ELEANOR TENNIS, b. 1795, Mason County, Kentucky; d. Aft. 1877. Generation No. 5 13. JOHN TENNIS (SAMUEL4, SAMUEL3, WILLIAM2, ABRAHAM1 TUNES) was born 1 October 1783 in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and died 18 February 1867 in Covington, Kenton County, Kentucky. He married (1) ELIZABETH HAYDEN 17 November 1804 in Mason County, Kentucky. She died 28 March 1830 in Kenton County, Kentucky. He married (2) MARGARET RITTENHOUSE 1831, daughter of ADAM RITTENHOUSE. Children of JOHN TENNIS and ELIZABETH HAYDEN are: i. SEANETH AMANDA TENNIS, b. Abt. 1806, Kentucky; m. JOHN REDD HORD, 12 May 1825, Campbell County, Kentucky; b. 1798, Virginia; d. 16 February 1871, Oakland, Kentucky. ii. ELIZA CAROLINE TENNIS, b. 18 July 1808, Campbell County, Kentucky; m. WILLIAM WOODRUFF WADE, 22 June 1837, Campbell County, Kentucky; b. 12 July 1795; d. 26 September 1843. iii. SAMUEL MELVIN TENNIS, b. 1810, Kentucky; d. Aft. 1880, Indiana; m. ELIZA JANE KENNEDY, 28 November 1833, Campbell County, Kentucky; b. 1814, Kentucky; d. abt 1860 Indiana

When I first began my genealogical endeavors, I, like so many others, went through the FTM files that come with the software package. I had bought the Deluxe package. If I had it over, I would have still bought it, but bought the el cheapo package. Nevertheless, FTM data lists WFT Est. dates. This stands for World Family Tree (I think) and is hooey. So now, I merely erase all such references. I leave a blank. Never hurt a soul, and will mislead no one. Anyone looking at it will say "He doesn't know that date." I, for only research purposes, will subtract 19-22 years for a generation, to see if it is reasonable for a certain candidate to fit. But there have been times when I have been 20 or 30 or more years off! Around civil war times, hey! there were no young men! A young widow wants a husband and a father for her kids. Ain't nothing wrong with that!! And so it is that I will list a relative 58 with a mate in her twenties or so. The first one died. So, I am careful to merely look at the 19-22 years as just a guide, as I am sure our original poster does also. Vince Marilyn Bosckis wrote: > > ><< To guess at year of birth, to fit the right > > generation is Take away about 20 yrs from the child's birth date.. if you > > do not have that and do have a marriage date, estimate marriage at age > > 20ish, then you have your Estimate... If they had Children add one year > > from the year of the first child born... >> > > > >Just be aware that it is only a GUESS! > > I've noticed that when people post their family trees on the Web, the > information can take on more authority than it deserves and it is repeated > as gospel. My grandmother's youngest sister is shown as the oldest sibling > in her descendant tree. My grandmother, who was really the oldest sister, > is shown with an estimated birthdate later than that of the actual > birthdate of her oldest child. > > Marilyn > Sequim, WA > > > > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

><< To guess at year of birth, to fit the right > generation is Take away about 20 yrs from the child's birth date.. if you > do not have that and do have a marriage date, estimate marriage at age > 20ish, then you have your Estimate... If they had Children add one year > from the year of the first child born... >> > >Just be aware that it is only a GUESS! I've noticed that when people post their family trees on the Web, the information can take on more authority than it deserves and it is repeated as gospel. My grandmother's youngest sister is shown as the oldest sibling in her descendant tree. My grandmother, who was really the oldest sister, is shown with an estimated birthdate later than that of the actual birthdate of her oldest child. Marilyn Sequim, WA >

A Quick note on the Luckens one.. We help alot better if we know when and where, the mopre you have the easier it is to help.. Vince Wrote :>>> His family line became, among other things, TUNIS. Apparently TENNIS, DENNIS, etc., are also eventual derivations of this name. Do we have anyone with Tunes Tunis turned Dennis or Tennis??? Where did that info come from? Guess My line get left out on that... Vince, do you have a Instant message program??? I found your family, yes they are English, and yes i was correct, the BEFORE the 13. The Warner line Actually goes Back to 1550... I need to talk to you before I send it, and it is most likely too large for sending to the list.... and.... there are a Few Dupes, I don't know much about for Merging so I left them Duplicates, until some Family members clear it up.... Kave the Warner Kite marriges Yeah more than one, sister kinda thing ya know... Write back when you can I have AOL AIM Instant messanger, it's the best ofr me, and most people I know... you can get it at www.aol.com/aim then you click sign up and download, and anyone you know is on AOL you just put their screen name into your buddy list and Mine is GenlinkZ <~~~ Z is only for that.. Let me know this is Very interesting because it was a File My Husbands Mother made .... Yeah they are HIS FAMILY LoL that is how I knew about the 1632 immigrations... Cali ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

In a message dated 00-06-26 19:27:51 EDT, [email protected] writes: << To guess at year of birth, to fit the right generation is Take away about 20 yrs from the child's birth date.. if you do not have that and do have a marriage date, estimate marriage at age 20ish, then you have your Estimate... If they had Children add one year from the year of the first child born... >> Just be aware that it is only a GUESS! My husband was 49 when we married, 50 when our daughter was born, and 52 when our son was born last year. And HIS father is 31 years older than he is -- PopPop was 83 the year his youngest grandchild was born! Future genealogists are going to be looking at the dates and scratching their heads, figuring that there MUST be a missing generation or two in there, somewhere!! (Especially since I am 47, <grin>) Good thing my husband and I are both genealogists, hmmm? Now, if only our kids are interested enough in the information to keep copies of it for THEIR children and grandchildren... Lynn researching in PA: ADDAMS, OP DEN GRAEFF, THEISSEN/TYSON, KUNDERS/CONARD, UMSTAT, PANNEBECKER/PENNYPACKER, ROOT/RUTT, UMSTAT/UMSTEAD, WENGER/WANGER, BONSALL, HALDEMAN/HALDERMAN, MEYLING, KREEK, FRAZIER, DAUTHENDEY, YARNALL, YAEGER, REILLY, DUNN, McHUGH, ROBERTS, ROBINSON, MANZ and probably others that I missed!

this is what I have on Calwallder/Roberts... Descendants of Robert CADWALLADER Generation No. 1 1. ROBERT1 CADWALLADER1 was born Abt. 1650 in , , Wales1. He married JANE EVANS1 Abt. 1670 in , , Wales2. She was born Abt. 1650 in , , Wales2,3. More About ROBERT CADWALLADER: Ancestral File Number: X2KB-R64,5 More About JANE EVANS: Ancestral File Number: X2KB-SC6,7 Children of ROBERT CADWALLADER and JANE EVANS are: i. CADWALLADER2 ROBERTS8, b. 1673, Penllyn, , Wales9,10; d. May 07, 1731, Gwynedd Twp, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania11,12. More About CADWALLADER ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: X2KC-FL13,14 Christening: June 01, 1673, Llanuwchllyn, , Wales15,16 ii. MARGARET ROBERTS17, b. 1675, , , Wales18,19. More About MARGARET ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: X2KB-VP20,21 Christening: June 27, 1675, , , Wales22,23 iii. JOHN ROBERTS24,25,26, b. 1678, Penllyn, , Wales27,28; d. Bef. 1681, Penllyn, , Wales29,30. More About JOHN ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: X2KB-X231,32 Christening: January 07, 1677/78, , , Wales33,34 iv. JOHN ROBERTS35,36,37, b. 1681, Penllyn, , Wales38,39; d. 1773, Montgomery Twp, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania40,41. More About JOHN ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: X2KD-TS42,43 Christening: September 11, 1681, Llanycil, , Wales44,45 v. ROWLAND ROBERTS46,47,48, b. 1685, Penllyn, Merion, Wales49,50; d. July 22, 1749, Montgomery Twp, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania51,52. More About ROWLAND ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: X2KH-5R53,54 Christening: March 29, 1685, Llanycil, , Wales55,56 vi. NICHOLAS ROBERTS57,58,59, b. Abt. 1688, Penllyn, , Wales60,61; d. 1733, Gwynedd Twp, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania62,63. More About NICHOLAS ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: DXWV-G464,65 vii. ELIZABETH ROBERTS66,67,68, b. 1688, Of Gwynedd, Philadelphia, Pa69,70; d. November 14, 1777, , Philadelphia, Pennsylvania71,72. More About ELIZABETH ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: X2KC-2P73,74 Christening: December 09, 1688, , , Wales75,76 2. viii. MORRIS ROBERTS, b. 1677, Penllyn, , Wales; d. , , North Carolina. Generation No. 2 2. MORRIS2 ROBERTS (ROBERT1 CADWALLADER) was born 1677 in Penllyn, , Wales, and died in , , North Carolina. He married ELIZABETH ROBESON. More About MORRIS ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: X2KD-3177,78 Christening: May 09, 1677, Llangower, , Wales79,80 More About ELIZABETH ROBESON: Ancestral File Number: X2KD-46 Child of MORRIS ROBERTS and ELIZABETH ROBESON is: 3. i. SUSANNA3 ROBERTS, b. Abt. 1720, Gwynedd Twp, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Generation No. 3 3. SUSANNA3 ROBERTS (MORRIS2, ROBERT1 CADWALLADER) was born Abt. 1720 in Gwynedd Twp, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She married JACOB ZIMMERMAN81 March 22, 1754 in , Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He was born Abt. 1730 in <Gwynedd Twp, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania>. More About SUSANNA ROBERTS: Ancestral File Number: X2KD-DK More About JACOB ZIMMERMAN: Ancestral File Number: X2KD-CD Children of SUSANNA ROBERTS and JACOB ZIMMERMAN are: i. JACOB4 ZIMMERMAN81, b. Abt. 1755, , , Pennsylvania. More About JACOB ZIMMERMAN: Ancestral File Number: X2KD-FQ ii. SUSANNA ZIMMERMAN81, b. Abt. 1757, , , Pennsylvania. More About SUSANNA ZIMMERMAN: Ancestral File Number: X2KD-GW Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi All, glad to get Any mail for this bunch, with Summer and Kids alot of us have much to do ... with the Heat wave hitting everyone, maybew we can stay in the air contitioning and get more out here.. Regarding the C. Luckens girl... We need Dad's Estimated if it has to be... Location also, To guess at year of birth, to fit the right generation is Take away about 20 yrs from the child's birth date.. if you do not have that and do have a marriage date, estimate marriage at age 20ish, then you have your Estimate... If they had Children add one year from the year of the first child born... The More info you have the easier it is to look up your particular person, because We may not know the Spouse info, since Girls where less Traced . Just some ideas on ways top search and post for that type of Query., When You have very little info, Give it ALL.. Happy Hunting, Cali I and MANY others in this bunch have Very long lines of Luckens, and Multiple duplicate names.... :-) Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Here is a site that appears to have much to offer, which has much about Dr. Thomas WYNNE. Apparently much source material is used, but I have not thoroughly checked it out yet. I am finding too many interesting sites today! http://members.aol.com/lunetta595/Records/recindex.htm Vince

OK, maybe this is a waste of time posting. Probably so. But it is only one post, and may be possible... Remember that name LOOF(E) that Gene Stackhouse listed (I am writing this from memory -- hope I am not making a total fool of myself and getting this wrong!)? Here is a name, or a family, that has the name LOOFBORROW listed that looks like it could easily have been tied in in some way as a friend or something... I see the names KIRK, TYSON, WARNER, etc., tied in with it... http://artsci.wustl.edu/~dlbeck/jack/fam02106.htm Could it have been shortened to LOOF(E) by one side-line? If this one is better of unanswered, kindly let it die quietly. I can take a razzing, though, if it is to be! ":O>) Vince

>X-eGroups-Return: >[email protected].com >To: <[email protected]> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >From: "Marian Personett" <[email protected]> >Mailing-List: list [email protected]; contact [email protected] >Delivered-To: mailing list [email protected] >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[email protected]> >Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:41:58 -0700 >Reply-To: [email protected] >Subject: [personett] Fw: A bit of history and a debt of gratitude! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Robert L.& Donna M. Chapman <[email protected]> >To: Lynn Pat Windus <[email protected]>; Charles Llywella Stuchlik ><[email protected]>; Thomas Margaret Shields <[email protected]>; Bonnie >Gordon McGill <[email protected]>; Marian Wa Personett ><[email protected]>; Vic Barb Giebelstine <[email protected]>; Ken Verleen >Eggman <[email protected]>; David Bloom <[email protected]>; Rae >Tennery <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:52 AM >Subject: Fw: A bit of history and a debt of gratitude! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Doyle Brown" <[email protected]> > > To: "Vergenski Fran" <[email protected]>; "Phil Scoggin" > > <[email protected]>; "Mike Seaton" <[email protected]>; > > "dlboivin" <[email protected]>; "Dick" > > <[email protected]>; "Ken" <[email protected]>; "Don" > > <[email protected]>; "Susie" <[email protected]>; "Valda" > > <[email protected]>; "Bob Boal" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 4:08 AM > > Subject: Fw: A bit of history and a debt of gratitude! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have is the direct result of what they did!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signed the Declaration of Independence? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and tortured before they died. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. 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His possessions were taken from him, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poverty was his reward. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Middleton. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr, noted that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Washington to open fire. 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I do not know for sure that this WARNER is the same line, but I suspect it is. If it is, it is one (pardon me for this corn) *must see* site! Vince http://www.haemo-sol.com/thomas/thomas.html

Folks, I hope you are taking this heat well!... Many, or rather, most, of you are aware that Abraham TUNES was one of the 13 settling family heads of Germantown, Pennsylvania. His family line became, among other things, TUNIS. Apparently TENNIS, DENNIS, etc., are also eventual derivations of this name. TUNIS -- One of these (bear with me on this one, as my data is on my HP computer, in Texas, having a modem/sound card replacement performed), I think her name was Kathryn, married a KITE (of whatever spelling). Now another of the KITE line married (and I get a little fuzzy here), I believe, a WARNER. I hope I am not confused on this. I do have PETERS, also, but think it was a WARNER... They are both in my line... Does anyone have other connections to this particular WARNER line, and hence have information on these WARNERs? I know -- first I ask you to identify *my* line, and then ask you to continue it -- a bit unreasonable -- but my curiosity is itching, and am taking the liberty. I believe the name is William WARNER, and had a daughter Mary??? At any rate, in a day or two, I expect to have my computer back, and can then use the data. If anyone recognizes these lines, I would love to hear more on WARNER, PETERS, KITE/KEYTE/KEITE, and TUNIS. BTW, my former boss, an Englishman at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, was surprised I have the name KEYTE. His own mom was a KEYTE -- IS a KEYTE, in England. She says they pronounce it, over there KEET!!! Was this the case here? Does anybody know? Was it originally KEET (pronunciation)? Thanks, Vince -- Listowner: The Original 13 Settlers of Germantown, Pennsylvania Visit our homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ Family Lines that came aboard the Concord in October of 1683.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------8A855FAF5186C2C0649B8732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone- I saw this on another list. Can anyone help with a connection to this family? Thanks - Cynthia Lukens Hanagud --------------8A855FAF5186C2C0649B8732 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by smtp.ezy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24902 for <[email protected]>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [email protected]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e5NFZ2x30075; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:35:02 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:35:02 -0700 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Fri Jun 23 08:35:02 2000 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: "Gene & Kathy Majors" <[email protected]> Old-To: "PANORTHU-L" <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:30:38 -0700 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [PANORTHU-L] UPDEGRAFF/SCHNEIDER/FARST Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/4180 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am researching the following Northumberland surnames: UPDEGRAFF (various spellings), SCHNEIDER (various spellings) and FARST/FURST. Isaac UPDEGRAFF (b. ca1780 d.?) married Mary "Polly" SCHNEIDER sometime before 1801. Mary was a daughter of Casper SCHNEIDER and Elizabeth FARST/FURST. Casper, Elizabeth and Mary are buried in Fisher's Ferry Cemetery, Fisher's Ferry, Northumberland, PA. Isaac is not listed in this cemetery. Isaac and Mary's first born son, Casper UPDEGRAFF, was my g-g-g-grandfather. Does anyone have any info on Isaac UPDEGRAFF? I believe his father was also an Isaac who may have been a son of John UPDEGRAFF and Elizabeth BENFIELD. In the Northumberland Co. history in the bio of Casper SCHNEIDER/SNYDER it is mentioned that his daughter Mary married a Mr. UPTEGRAPH (on of the many spellings). On Mary's marker in Fusher's Ferry Cemetery the name is spelled UPDEGRAFF. Thank you. Gene Majors Placentia, CA [email protected] --------------8A855FAF5186C2C0649B8732--

Dear Folks, To avoid rumors, and to let you know what is going on, I am making an announcement to you. I hope you will not bother posting letters on the subject to the group, though. In a nutshell, Rootsweb has been bought out by Ancestry.com with the total cooperation of Ancestry.com. Please read this formal announcement http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/rootsrelease.htm Vince Summers

http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4695.htm Be sure to look at the above. Over 200 KITEs for instance. One was even a KITE witnessing a will for a Cassel. Vince -- Listowner: The Original 13 Settlers of Germantown, Pennsylvania Visit our homepage at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ Family Lines that came aboard the Concord in October of 1683.

Time to Beg =) If anyone had bits and peices of either family they can send me or a Seperate 13 Gedcom, I would be ETERNALLY GRATEFUL! Pleas e and thank you Cali Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www,geocities.com/heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi all, Does anyone know if Mary Engle is related to Susanna Engle/Engel she married William S. Koller? there are No other notes or facts on this marriage, besides a Daughter Cassia w. Married Franklin Moll, anmd had Benjamin Franklin MOLL who married Lovina Miller who had Benjamin Franklin Moll. I have more on this family but I need to know if the girls are related... Thanks, Cali Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www,geocities.com/heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Howdy, I have Robeson ( A FEW, not a Family, same with Yocum, I am sorry not to be of Help to you. Cali Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www,geocities.com/heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.