Here is an OBIT from Philly Roots member Daniel W. MILLER: PHILA. PUBLIC LEDGER, JUNE 10, 1876 LUKENS, on the 8th inst., LAURA B., wife of Enos P. Lukens, and youngest daughter of Elam and Sarah E. Eisenhower, aged 21 years and 4 months. The relatives and friends of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, on Sunday afternoon, at 3 o'clock, from the parents residence, 1515 North 21st st., to proceed to Mechanics' Cemetery. Vince Summers

If any have this line, and can afford corrections, or additions, especially of source material, I would be grateful. Please note that this is a shortened file. Rootsweb allows emails only so large... Vince Descendants of Hermann Klincken Generation No. 1 1. HERMANN1 KLINCKEN He married GIERT/GIERTGEN. Child of HERMANN KLINCKEN and GIERT/GIERTGEN is: 2. i. JOHANN2 KLINCKEN, b. Abt. 1587, Munchen-Gladbach. Generation No. 2 2. JOHANN2 KLINCKEN (HERMANN1) was born Abt. 1587 in Munchen-Gladbach. He married TRIENTGEN/KATHERINE AN DER HEIDEN, daughter of JOHANN HEIDEN and NIES (AGNES). She was born Abt. 1591 in Munchen-Gladbach, and died February 13, 1630/31. Child of JOHANN KLINCKEN and TRIENTGEN/KATHERINE HEIDEN is: 3. i. THONIS3 KLINCKEN, b. Abt. 1619, Munchen-Gladbach. Generation No. 3 3. THONIS3 KLINCKEN (JOHANN2, HERMANN1) was born Abt. 1619 in Munchen-Gladbach. Notes for THONIS KLINCKEN: Birthdate according to Niepoth. Krefeld Immigrants, XIII, 15, notes Trientgen/Katherine an der Heiden, b c1591 was and d 13 Feb 1631 was dau of Johann ad der Heiden and wife Nies (Agnes). Iris says this stuff came from the late Dorothy Streeper's records and her letters from Wilhelm Niepoth of Krefeld, and were submitted to the LDS in Apr 1961. She shows Thonis Klincken as born abt 1619, the son of Johann. This all came up in a discussion of the Gottschalk Comes/Comis family and their relationship with the mother of Thones Kunders (Anna Comes). Hull's reference of [Thonis] Klincken being a son of aforestated Mateus Klincken and the wife Tanneken has pretty much been negated- Erik P. Conard Children of THONIS KLINCKEN are: i. ARET (ARNOLD)4 KLINCKEN, b. Abt. 1645, Haarlem, Holland; d. 1708, Germantown, Pennsylvania; m. NISKE (AGNES) JENSEN, 1666; d. Worcester Twp. (now Montgomery Co.), PA. Notes for ARET (ARNOLD) KLINCKEN: Will probated February 20, 1707/08.Will Probated February 20, 1707/8. Page 203 of "Philadelphia Wills", Book C names Abraham Tunis as witness of will. Aret KLINKEN came from Holland with William PENN in his first voyage to America in 1682. KLINKEN had seen and known PENN in Holland. Aret had a daughter Ann, who married Cunread CUNREAD on 31 May 1704, Germantown, PA. Ann was born 4 June 1683 in Toppenburk, Germany. Curead CUNREAD married again in 12 Aug 1721 to Anne BURDSON. Cunread CUNREAD was the son of Thones Dennis KUNDERS. This information was taken from The Descendants of Lens CONRADTS that appeared at one time on the Family Tree Maker web site. Aret is my 9th great-grandfather. -Tod Davis, Trenton, MI Robert James Hardie, Sr., said that Arent translates Arnold from Dutch. Aret (Arnold) Klincken, came to America after 1683, was active in civic affairs, and died aged about 80, will dated 12-10-1707/1708 and probated 20 Feb 1707/1708.- Erik Conard >From Bean: Arents Klincken, who came from Dalem, near Creyfelt, in Holland, to this country in 1683, having known William Penn in Holland. He built the first two-story house ever raised in Germantown, Penn having been present and partaken of the raising-dinner. It stood near the southwest corner of Main and Tulpehocken Streets. Arents Klincken served several years as burgess of Germantown, but finally, in 1691, declined longer service for conscience' sake. He died at the age of eighty, leaving a son, Anthony, a noted hunter, who spent a long life in such exercises in the vicinity, and from whom the traditional name of Anthony has since been perpetuated in the Williams family. Notes for NISKE (AGNES) JENSEN: Filberts like me follow this stuff and bristle when we see the name Agnes Niske or Agnes Nees as two given names. The English name Agnes, nickname sometimes Nancy, was Niske, Nees, etc. in German/Dutch of those times.- Erik Conard ii. ABRAHAM TUNES-KLINKEN, b. Abt. 1660, Krefeld Immigrant; d. Bet. 1710 - 1720, Germantown, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; m. (1) BEATRIX (BOETZEN) LUCKEN, Bef. June 1683, Germantown, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; m. (2) BATHSHEBA ?, Abt. 1684, Germantown, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; b. Abt. 1665, Krefeld Immigrant; d. Bef. July 21, 1727. Notes for ABRAHAM TUNES-KLINKEN: Chester County Ships Listing for The Concord Here are the passengers listed as being aboard this ship. Date of Arrival: 10/1683 Master: William Jefferies Lenert Aratts (Arents) Elizabeth Bennett, servant to James Claypoole Johannes Bleikers James Claypoole and wife Helena and seven children Edward Cole, Jr, servant to Claypool William Hard Peter Keurlis Thones Kunder Hugh Lamb Jan Lensen Jan Luykens Hugh Masland and wife, servant to Claypoole Abraham Op Den Graeff Derick Op Den Graeff Hermann Op Den Graeff Jan Siemes Willem Streypers Leonard Teison (Tyson) Reyner Teissen Abraham Tunes Cicely Wooley, servant to Claypoole Note, that the above list mentions date of arrival as October, and the one below, as July. Possibly some confusion as to the Calendar.-VES >From an Article from a book in the Historical Society of Pennsylvania ... two pages (not the complete article) ... TUNIS FAMILY. Abraham Tunes, founder of the family of that name in Pennsylvania, as well as a branch of the same family later known as Tennis, came to Pennsylvania from Crefeld-on-the-Rhine, with the first settlers of Germantown. He arrived in Philadelphia in the "Concord," July 29, 1683, and was one of the original founder of this, the first German settlement in Penn's colony, and member of the Frankfort Company [Robert James Hardie has here an emphatic NO! in the margin], the projectors of this colony, and the purchasers from William Penn, of the land on which they settled. Abraham Tunes participated in the division of this land, joining in the deeds by which it was apportioned to the actual settlers, recorded in the ancient Germantown Deed Book. On April 26, 16899, two hundred acres of land, a tract called "Sommerhausen," was laid out near Chestnut Hill, in "German Township," by warrant from Penn's commissioners, to Francis Daniel Pastorius; and on December 29, 1693, Pastorius conveyed it to Abraham Tunes and William Strepers, who held it jointly until after the death of William Strepers, who by will, dated in 1717, devised his interest therein to his son, John. On June 14, 1724, "Abraham Tunes, of Sommerhausen, German Township, husbandman," and John Strepers, made partition of this two hundred acres between them. On November 20, 1708, Daniel Falkner, and others of the survivors of the Frankfort Company, conveyed to Abraham Tunes, seventy-five acres adjoining the above tract, on the line of Penn's Manor, of Springfield, now Springfield township, Montgomery county, in the extreme upper end of Germantown township. On June 17, 1703, Daniel and Justus Falkner, as attorneys of Benjamin Furly, of the city of Rotterdam, merchant, conveyed to Abraham Tunes and John Lucken, one thousand acres of land purchased by Furly of William Penn. This land was laid out in what became Towamencin township, Philadelphia (now Montgomery) county, and in 1709, Tunes and Lucken made partition thereof, each taking 500 acres. On May 16, 1715, Abraham Tunes, of German township, and Bathsheba, his wife, conveyed to William Strepers, ten acres of the seventy-five purchased in 1708. Another tract was conveyed to Abraham Tunes, by Daniel Falkner, 1712, adjoining his other land, and on July 21, 1727, he conveyed to his "second son, Anthony Tunes," several tracts in German township, apparently all his real estate holdings there, comprising four separate tracts. No wife joined in this deed, from which it is to be inferred that she was deceased at that date. Abraham Tunes was one of the purchasers, with Caus Rittenhouse and John Gorgas, on March 4, 1713-1714, of the De Wees paper mills, the first in America. On May 2, 1723, Abraham Tunes conveyed to his eldest son, William Tunes, four hundred acres of the five hundred acres surveyed to him in right of the purchase of Benjamin Furley, and the partition between him an John Lucken, in Towamencin township, Philadelphia (now Montgomery) county, and William settled thereon. The name of Abraham Tunes, as signed to the various deeds, above recited, though appearing in the body of the deed as "Tunes," is written in proper form, "Abraham Teunisen," from which it may be inferred that his father's Christian, and not his surname, was "Teunis," quite a common name among the Hollanders, and that, according to a Dutch custom of the time, the "sen" was added to the father's Christian name, to make the surname of the son. It is therefore impossible, without research abroad, to trace the ancestry of this pioneer of the family in America. It is not possible to definitely determine the date of the death of Abraham Tunes (or Teunisen), of "Sommerhausen," as a careful search of the civil records of Philadelphia county fails to disclose any probate records on his estate. It is probable that in his old age, having lost his wife, he conveyed all his real estate to his two sons, William and Anthony, and thereafter made his residence either with one of them or with his daughter, Alice, wife of Jacob Levering, of Roxborough. The births of his five children appear of record at Abington Friends' Meeting. It was not until some years after they had become landowners that the early settlers of Germantown made a concerted movement to have themselves declared adherents of the English Crown, in order that their title to real estate, under its jurisdiction, might become indefeasible. At a meeting of the Provincial Council at Philadelphia, May 15, 1706, the petition of one hundred and fifty "high and low Germans" was presented, requesting "(seeing they are not at present believed to be secure in their estates), for remedying the unhappiness they may be engaged in if they still be considered foreigners, the Assembly may be convened with all Convenient speed & a Bill be recommended from this Board for naturalizing all & every of the Petitioners, that they may have an undoubted right to hold, enjoy, alienate, sell & dispose of any of their lands, a the natural born subjects of England may or can do in this Provunce, & also that they may be capable of Electing & being Elected, to serve in Assembly & other Offices; also that some of the Petrs. (petitioners) being Mennists who, (with their Predecessors for 150 Years past) could not for Conscience sake take an Oath, the same provision may be made for them by a law, as is made for those called Quakers in this Province, and that the said Law may be sent home with the rest, past by the Assembly, in order to obtain the Queen's Royal Approbation." Whereupon, "the petition being argued and considered, It is Resolved that is highly reasonable, the Petrs. and all others in their circumstances should be rendered Secure in their Estates and Titles in their Lands in this Province" * * * "leave is give the Petrs. to procure the Attorney General to draw up a bill for that purpose, to be laid before this Board, where it shall meet with all due Encouragement." It was not, however, until September 28, 1709, that the bill was finally passed by the Assembly and presented to the Governor and Provincial Council, September 29, for naturalizing these Germans. The names of those naturalized, headed by Francis Daniel Pastorius, is given in the bill, and the name of "Abraham Tunnis" appears among them. Issue of Abraham and Bathsheba Tunes, of Sommerhausen, Philadelphia county: Elizabeth Tunis, b., Germantown, May 2, 1685; Trintje (Catharine) Tunis, b., Germantown, Jan. 16, 1687; William Tunis, b. Nov. 2, 1688; m. (first) Magdalena, dau. of Weigard Levering, of Roxborough, pioneer of the prominent Phila. family of that name; (second) Christian _______, who survived him. He received from his father, 1723, a deed for 400 acres of land in Towamencin twp., now Montgomery co., on which he settled, and where he d. 1748, letters of administration being granted on his estate to his eldest son, Abraham Tennis (as all of his children signed the name), Jan. 17, 1748-9; his widow, Christian renouncing. Beatrix was Abraham's first wife. Apparently he dropped the Klinken surname on emigrating. One of the 13 original immigrant-founders of German Town, PA, who arrived at that spot in October 1683, on the "Concord". ---- >From Homepage on Family Treemaker of Patricia D. Smith http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/m/i/Patricia-D-Smith/index.html : WILLIAM PENN, in the spring of 1683, conveyed to a half dozen residents of Crefeld, Germany, about eighteen thousand acres of land in Pennsylvania, situated in the neighborhood of Germantown. Shortly afterwards the enterprise was started which resulted in the formation of the Frankfort Company in 1686. Altogether the Frankfort Company secured twenty-five thousand acres of land from William Penn. The evident purpose in view in the grant of these large tracts of land was colonization from German. On July 24, 1683, the first little band of German emigrants set sail in the good ship "Concord," for Pennsylvania. There were thirteen men with their families, comprising thirty-three persons, nearly all of whom were relatives, all hailing from Crefeld, a city of the lower Rhine in Germany, a few miles from the borders of Holland. Crefeld was chiefly noted for its manufacture of silk, linen and other woven goods, and these manufacturies were first established by persons fleeing from religious intolerance. Among the number on the ship "Concord" was Thones Kunders, a man, at that time, presumably of twenty-five or thirty years of age, and his wife Elin, supposed to have been a sister of William Streypers, the latter being also one of the emigrants. At that time Thones Kunders had three children and they were brought with him on the ship. Daniel Francis Pastorius, the most conspicuous of German emigrants of those days, by reason of his great learning and familiarity with many languages together with his high social position at home, had previously consulted with these Crefeld people and arranged the details of their enterprise. He had sailed for America some six weeks previous and landed at Philadelphia, August 20, 1683. His manuscript says, "I talked with Tunes Kunders and his wife, Dirck, Hermann and Abraham Op den Graeff, and many others, who six weeks later followed me." These emigrants were largely Mennonites and Friends in religion. Both of these sects believed in inward piety and a godly humble life, considered all strife and warfare as unchristian, abstained from taking oaths, opposed a paid ministry, favored silent prayer and exercised a strict discipline over their members. The voyage was pleasant and uneventful, and on the 6th day of October, 1683, the pioneers landed at Philadelphia, having been seventy-four days in making the passage. On the 12th of the same month a warrant was issued to Pastorius for six thousand acres of land "on behalf of the German and Dutch purchasers." On the 24th Thomas Fairman measured off fourteen divisions of land, and a few days afterwards, meeting together in the cave of Pastorius, they drew lots for the choice of location, as shown by the following agreement made twenty-six years afterwards. We whose names are to these presents subscribed, do hereby certify unto all whom it may concern, that soon after our arrival in this province of Pennsylvania, in October, 1683, to our certain knowledge, Herman Op den Graeff, Dirk Op den Graeff, and Abraham Op den Graeff, as well as ourselves, in the cave of Francis Daniel Pastorius at Philadelphia, did cast lots for the respective lots which they and we then began to settle in Germantown, and the said Graeffs (three brothers) have sold their several lots, each by himself, no less than if a division in writing had been made by them. Witness our hands this 29th Nov. A.D. 1709. Lenart Arets, Jan Lensen, Thones Kunders, Willem Streypers, Abraham Tunes, Jan Lucken, Reiner Tysen. On these lots they proceeded at once to build their houses, rude and primitive though the structures were, described by some of the writers of that day as caves, being built probably against the sides of the hills with high coverings to serve as roofs. Charles S. Keyser, Esq., in his paper read at the Keyser re-union in 1888, says, "that day our ancestor arrived, what is now an avenue of the city of Philadelphia, paved and lighted for a distance of nine miles, was not then even the Germantown road, but only an Indian pathway, lined with laurel bushes; caves here and there, cellars with some shelter over them, houses as they were called, fifty altogether; one with two stories, and one mill to supply the town with flour. In these houses were high-backed chairs, round tables, pewter dishes and spinning wheels. One man's cellar, it might be, with its shelter of branches was one of their meeting houses. "Various languages were spoken here, some French much German and much Dutch, and continued to be spoken for nearly a century after. Farther from man and nearer to God, seems to have been upon their lips and in their lives, coming to this wilderness. "With these peculiar people were the simple workers, toiling in the gardens, weaving in their caves and houses, working from daylight to darkness; these had also their peculiarities, the women went about in their short skirts and petticoats; we yet remember some of us, the old grandmothers or great-grandmothers, with kerchiefs snowy white, folded across their breasts, who survived down to the beginning of our passing generation. White linen was worn here and woven here, pure and spotless as the snow, making the town notable; all of the these men and women worshipped together, striving to do the will of the Saviour as it is written in the scriptures, without magistrates and without laws, and without ceremonies, without poverty, and without crime; with an earnest endeavor to conform their lives as far as it was possible to them to the image of the Saviour on this earth." The winter following must have been one of hardship and privation to these "strangers in a strange land," as they doubtless had only enough of the necessaries of life to keep soul and body together. Pastorius writing afterwards, said, "it could not be described nor would it be believed by coming generations, in what want and need, and with Christian Contentment and persistent industry this German township started." See HISTORICAL AND BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES by Samuel W. Pennypacker ... printed in Philadelphia by Robert A. Tripple. "On the 11th of June, 1683, Penn conveyed to Govert Remke, Lenart Arets, and Jacob Isaacs Van Bebber, a baker, all of Crefeld, one thousand acres of land each, and they, together with Telner, Streypers, and Sipman, constituted the original Crefeld purchasers. It is evident that their purpose was colonization, and not speculation. The arrangement between Penn and Sipman provided that a certain number of families should go to Pennsylvania within a specified time, and probably the other purchasers entered into similar stipulations. However that may be, ere long thirteen men with their families, comprising thirty-three persons, nearly all of whom were relatives, were ready to embark to seek new homes across the ocean. They were Lenart Arets, Abraham Op den Graeff, Dirck Op den Graeff, Herman Op den Graeff, William Streypers, Thones Kunders, Reynier Tyson, Jan Siemens, Jan Lensen, Peter Keurlis, Johannes Bleikers, Jan Lucken, and Abraham Tunes... The wives of Thones Kunders and Lenart Arets were sisters of the Streypers, and the wife of Jan was the sister of Reynier Tyson. Peter Keurlis was also a near relative, and the location of the signatures of Jan Lucken and Abraham Tunes on the certificate of the marriage of a son of Thones Kunders with a daughter of Willem Streypers in 1710 indicates that they too were connected with the group by family ties."[Footnote indicates source as the Streper MSS in the Historical Society and a marriage certificate that belonged to Dr. J. H. Conrad] Dear Vince, Thought this might interest you. This comes from the genealogy of Lens Conradts: We whose names are to these presents subscribed , do hereby certify unto all whom it may concern, that soon after our arrival in the province of Pennsylvania, in October, 1683, to our certain knowledge, Herman Op den Graef, Dirk Op den Graeff, and Abraham Op den Graeff, as well as ourselves, in the cave of Francis Daniel Pastorius at Philadelphia, did cast lots for the respective lots which they and we then began to settle in Germantown, and the said Graeffs(three brothers) have sold several lots, each by himself, no less that if a division in writing had been made by them. Witness our hands this 29th Nov. A.D. 1709. Lenart Arets, Jan Lensen, Thones Kunders, Willem Streypers, Abraham Tunes, Jan Lucken, Reiner Tysen. Regards, Tod [Davis] -------------------- Pa. Gen. Magazine, Vol. XXXI-No. 3, 1980. P. 196. The Lucken sisters and their husbands: Beatrix Lucken was the wife Abraham Klinken. He is the emigrant Abraham Tunes. Tonis is the first name of his father, who also lived in Dahlen in 1652. About him the "Specification" for this year says: "Thoniss Klincken was born in Gladbach, married in the year 1644 a townsman's daughter at Dahlen of the same religion, has continued to live here since then." The name of Abraham's mother is not known. The Arnt Klinken who emigrated to America in 1684 is probably Abraham's brother as he had a son named Anton. The Klinken line can be traced back in Monchengladbach two more generations; the Lucken ancestry can be established to the middle of the sixteenth century. Here, below, is an interesting article concerning the Concord, presented by Michael J. Stewart: Balderston, Marion; Pennsylvania's 1683 Ships and Some of Their Passengers; The Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine; 1965, 24(2):90 begin passage: The third ship to arrive in the Delaware in October, the Concord, is reported by its best known passenger, James Claypoole, to have carried a crew of forty, mounted twenty-six guns, was 132 feet long and 32 feet broad. Claypoole also said it was "about 500 tunns" burthen and could transport 140 passengers in comfort. When ready to sail from Gravesend it had been victualled for 120 passengers, a number of whom - "the friends from Crevilt" - had been late in arriving at London. When they did finally come on board, they found "many convenient Cabins made and private rooms for familys and 14 Excellent Oxen killed and 30 Tunn beer & abundance of bread and water already stowed away." Claypoole and his family went on board at Gravesend 24 5m (July) 1683, but the last sight of England was not until about three weeks later. After a "very comfortable passage" of 49 days, land was once more sighted, and on 1 8m (October), some of the passengers, including Claypoole, went ashore for the first time, possibly at Lewes. Philadelphia, however, was not reached until a week later. Some of the German passengers gave their date of arrival as 6 October, Claypoole his arrival as "8th or 10th" October. ... For data on the Concord and the voyage, see Pennsylvania Magazine of Historical Biography X, 270, 273-5, 403, 406. end passage Michael J. Stewart [email protected] I got that Castor Society book today; it contains a Dutch wood cut of a ship similar to the Concord, which I copied for you and will scan later this week, and a paraphrase of James Claypoole's report - with the same details. The Krefelders were better prepared than many groups who set out to build colonies in North America; they had been advised to bring food stores to last a year as well as seeds for planting, linen to trade, iron household utensils and implements, furniture. They even had window glass stowed on board; as well as candles, soap and books (didn't want to go anywhere without those). So if they had to live in caves their first winter, they were never in danger of starving - unlike the Plymouth Pilgrims! There are several pictures and models of Krefeld and Kaldekirk (the picture of a model of Krefeld didn't come out), too. Kaldekirk grew its fortified walls about 1615-1620 during a set of horrible wars in the area. - Dora Smith; [email protected] Gravesend is the last point viewed when leaving England or usually the first to be viewed upon arriving near England. -Ron On the Thames, Kent (county) England.- Earl K. Harvey >From Bean's 1884 History of Montgomery county, pp. 133-134 A majority of these early Germans became members of the Society of Friends, and they had not been in Pennsylvania five-years, before they were shocked at the system of Negro slavery that prevailed and was Maintained and countenanced by the English colony. The result was a protest addressed to the Monthly Meeting, dated from Germantown the 18th of the 2d. month, 1688, and subscribed by GARRET HENDERICH, Dreick Updegraf, Francis Daniel Pastorius, and Abraham Updegraef as this was the first paper or document ever issued in English America against the iniquities of buying, selling, and keeping human being in bondage. It demands for these people that and honor that justice and honor that has been too long withheld from. At a meeting at Richard Worrell's in Lower Dublin, the fifth of said month, it was referred to the Quarterly Meeting in Philadelphia, and from thence to the Yearly Meeting held at Burlington, where, on the 5th of 7th month, as their minutes state, "A Paper being here presented by some German Friends Concerning the Lawfulness and Unlawfulness of Buying and keeping Negroes, It was adjudged not to be so proper for this Meeting to give a Positive Judgment in the case, It having so General a Relation to many other Parts, and therefore at present they forbear It." -Joe Patterson [email protected] --------------- Hi Vince, It took a long time but here's what I found: Supreme Executive Council Meeting at Phila. Vol. 2 page 493 Tunnis, Abraham July 29,1709 He's present when visiting Indians were given gifts of friendship. Vol. 2 page 587 Tunnis, William Oct.16,1712 He's mentioned as a bordering neighbor in a description of other land in Bucks County, Pa. Vol. 13 page 566 Tennis, Samuel April 30,1783 Upon considering the petition of Samuel Tennis; it was Ordered, That the corporal punishment to which he was sentenced at the General Quarter Sessions of the Peace for the county of Cumberland, held at the town of Carlisle, on the 22nd day of April, 1783, be remitted. Claire --------------- Elizabeth Tunes b Apr 1685 2nd mo William Tunes b 2 Nov 1688 Aeltie Tunes b Jan 1691/2 11 mo Tunes Tunes b 24 Mar 1693/4 Trintie Tunes b 16 Jan 1696/7 all born/baptized at Abington MM, Montgomery Co Notes for BEATRIX (BOETZEN) LUCKEN: Boetzen translate into Beatrix from the Dutch- Robert James Hardie, Sr. Of Wickrath, Rheinland, Prussia. Notes for BATHSHEBA ?: Bathsheba was Abraham's second wife..

Hey? Did We do something to this person? Was this person a part of List bot? I am lost.. I have seen nothing rude or preachy? Seems like the heat is getting to everyone.... I hope Each and all of YOURS have a Super, and SAFE Holiday.. Cali Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

To get letter 100 to 150 (a couple are missing on purpose) in a zip format, please feel free to visit my site and download the file called 100to150.zip It requires and unzipping program to open it. You will then have about 46 html emails to read from the old Listbot Original 13 group. Some of the letters are mildly trivial, but many have a great deal of information on many surnames and topics. Each day, I am going to try to send over another 50 letters, till we complete the thousands in the archives. This means, so far, we have letters 1 to 150 and 500 to 1000. http://www.nrao.edu/~vsummers/myfiles/ If you do not succeed in downloading, and you can receive email attachments, contact me... Vince Summers

LaVere Lukens has reminded me of her offer to send a copy of the Concord Stamp to anyone who wishes one and in willing to cover the miniscule costs. Here is the address to contact her: [email protected] Also, I have made her offer one of the rotating ten taglines until she tells me the offer is over. She currently holds about 40 stamps. If others wish to mention something they would like to share with the list (including scans, etc., such as Freeway mentioned), let me know, and I will make it one of the taglines for a period. That way we'll make the taglines worth something! Vince Summers

Before you read the following. I have noticed a little difference between the stamps. The waves on the ship of the German stamp is a little taller then the American stamp. That is about the only difference that I can tell. And you have to look close to see it. If any one wants a copy please let me know. I typed everything that is on the whole page about the stamp, and how I see it while typing it out. Top copy of the German Stamp USA 20c Issue Date: May 5, 1983 First Day City: Germantown, Pennsylvania Designer: Richard Schiecht Arlington, Virginia Modeler: Esther Porter Engravers: Thomas R. Hispschen {Vignette} Thomas J. Bakos {lettering and numerals} Press: Intaglio Other side of the page gives; Color: Brown Image Area 0.84 x 1.44 inches or 21.3 x 36.5 millimeters Plate Number: one Stamps Per Pane: 50 Selvage: U. S. Postal Service 1983 Use Correct Zip Code The Concord Commemorative Stamp A 20 cent commemorative stamp marking the 300th anniversary year of the first German immigrants in the United States was issued May 5 in Germantown, Pennsylvania. The Federal Republic of Germany on the same day issued a stamp to recognize the anniversary. The simultaneous issuances by the two nations recognize the courage and stamina and motivation of the first and subsequent immigrants. More then seven million German immigrants have come to the United States since 1683 and have made significant economic, political, social and cultural contributions. The 1980 census reported that there were at that time more Americans of German ancestry than Americans of any other national origin. The U. S. and German stamps were designed by Richard Schlecht of Arlington, Virginia, who is an American of German descent. The designs feature the ship, concord, which brought 13 families from Krefeld to the New World in search of religious freedom. The families, led by Franz Daniel Pastorius, had responded to an invitation from William Penn to settle in Pennsylvania. On October 16, 1683, they founded Germantown, the first German Settlement in America. Germantown today is part of the City of Philadelphia. Since no pictures of the Concord exist, Schlecht based his design on written descriptions. The designs of both stamps are nearly identical, with the national identifications, denominations and placement of lettering being the primary distinctions between them. Bottom of page. American Stamp USA 20c In God's service Freeway

I don`t usally post anything unless I find that may intrest the group as a whole, that is why the information was posted. I am sorry for the following mail Unsubscride In God's service Freeway

Opps, didn`t know that attachments would not work. Yes I can type out the info for everyone. If some want a copy of the stamp, let me know and I can scan it for you. Also did the Luckens stay Mennonites when they came to America? I know that they were in Germany that is why they left for religious freedom. I know some of Jan children were still Mennonite, but I have found nothing that says Jan was still one. In God's service Freeway

Folks, Thanks to you for your support in my behalf, in the seeming issue of religious postings to our group. Actually, though, in this case, I will firmly admit that I was wrong. But not openly and obviously so... "Freeway" turns out to be two persons. Husband and Wife. One is a preacher, the other his wife. There was a mixup in the posting of the letter about religious matters. So it is, that I have asked, apologizing, that the husband keep his strong beliefs (which I will by no means condemn) in other places than this forum. And that for the reason that his wife is really into genealogy, and that no harm was meant by her husband, I am reinstating her, with arms fully opened, to our list. She then, is free to unsubscribe herself, or to remain and to study with us. Once more, I apologize to her, and invite her back. But, even in harmony with your wishes, I only ask that there be no religious postings that are not directly related to our genealogical researches. I am your servant, Vince Summers List Owner

I will stick to just genealogy, and make sure that is what only my husband posts. I did not know he post that here. I am sorry for the way I answered to someone. I had just woke up and checked e-mail. I didn`t know what it was about until my husband say what he posted. So everyone I am sorry, Vince Thank you. anyway I bought a copy of the Stamp on yahoo it is a full page with a German copy {Not the real stamp} of their stamp, the American Stamp is on the bottom of the page, with part of the Original 13 story in between both stamp. The American stamp on the bottom of the page is the stamp. If everyone like I think I can post on here. if this is ok. In God's service Freeway

I was not preaching at anyone. I thought this was something that was of intrest to the group. I am sorry that I mad a mistake. I will try and not bug your list again. Now whos preaching. In God's service Freeway

The topic has also come up on the Quaker list, and may be accessed in the archives at roots-web. Bill

Interestingly, we did discuss this at one point, when the list was not with Rootsweb, but with Listbot. The archives are still intact, and I have some of it zipped and available as individual html files. Anyone wanting to access the ones I have gotten into file form, go to http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~vsummers/myfiles/ and download the ones numbered: 1to100.zip etc. The particular emails that you seek may or may not be among these. Still, they are in the archives. Also, maybe somebody will bring it up again... Vince

This is a genealogy website, not our morning gospel hour. Please keep this type of material off this site. B.K. and Shirley Uptagrafft ----- Original Message ----- From: "freeway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Subject: something to think about > > >Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:27:46 -0700 > >From: John and Ann Jackson <[email protected]> > >Reply-To: [email protected] > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I; 16bit) > >To: [email protected], [email protected], > > "Dick,Betsy" <[email protected]>, freeway <[email protected]>, > > James and Carolyn <[email protected]>, [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Subject: something to think about > > > >[email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Subject: Subject: something to think about > > > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:24:21 -0500 > > > From: "Dillman, Dorothy Mae" <[email protected]> > > > To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>, > > > "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>, > > > "'Cora Shrum'" > > > <[email protected]>, > > > "Shields, Alice M" <[email protected]>, > > > "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Marsh, M Joan > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:23 AM > > > > To: Dillman, Dorothy Mae > > > > Subject: FW: Fw: Fw: Subject: something to think about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Subject: something to think about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> There once was a man named George Thomas, a pastor in a > > > > > > small New > > > > > > England > > > > > > >> town. One Easter Sunday morning he came to the Church > > > > > > carrying a > > > > > > rusty, > > > > > > >> bent, old bird cage, and set it by the pulpit. > > > > > > >> Eyebrows were raised and, as if in response, Pastor > > > > > > Thomas began to > > > > > > >> speak... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young > > > > > > boy coming > > > > > > toward > > > > > > >> me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage > > > > > > were three > > > > > > little > > > > > > >> wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the > > > > > > lad and > > > > > > asked, > > > > > > ' > > > > > > >> What you got there son? ' " > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "Just some old birds," came the reply. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "What are you gonna do with them?" I asked. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he answered. I'm > > > > > > gonna tease > > > > > > 'em > > > > > > >> and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna > > > > > > have a real > > > > > > good > > > > > > >> time." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. > > > > > > What will you > > > > > > do?" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "Oh, I got some cats," said the little boy. "They like > > > > > > birds. I'll > > > > > > take > > > > > > >> 'em to them." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much do you want > > > > > > for those > > > > > > birds, > > > > > > >> son?" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "Huh?? !!! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. > > > > > > They're just plain > > > > > > old > > > > > > >> field birds. They don't sing - they ain't > > > > > > >> even pretty!" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "How much?" the pastor asked again. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy and said, > > > > > > "$10?" The > > > > > > >> pastor reached in his pocket and > > > > > > >> took out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's > > > > > > hand. In a > > > > > > flash, > > > > > > >> the boy was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and > > > > > > gently carried it > > > > > > to > > > > > > >> the end of the alley where there was a tree and a grassy > > > > > > spot. Setting > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> cage > > > > > > >> down, he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars > > > > > > persuaded the > > > > > > >> birds out, setting them free. Well, that explained the > > > > > > empty bird cage > > > > > > on > > > > > > >> the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell this story > > > > > > . . . > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan > > > > > > had just > > > > > > come > > > > > > >> from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating and > > > > > > boasting. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "Yes, sir, I just caught the world full of people down > > > > > > there. Set me a > > > > > > >> trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em > > > > > > all!" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "What are you going to do with them?" Jesus asked. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Satan replied, "Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach > > > > > > them how to > > > > > > marry > > > > > > >> and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, > > > > > > how to drink > > > > > > and > > > > > > >> smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns > > > > > > and > > > > > > >> bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "And what will you do when you get done with them?" Jesus > > > > > > asked. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no good. > > > > > > Why, you'll > > > > > > take > > > > > > >> them and they'll just hate you. > > > > > > >> They'll spit on you, curse you and kill you!! You don't > > > > > > want those > > > > > > >> people!!" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> "How much?" He asked again. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All your tears, and > > > > > > all your > > > > > > blood." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Jesus said, "DONE!" Then He paid the price. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> The pastor picked up the cage he opened the door and he > > > > > > walked from > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> pulpit. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Notes: > > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how simple it is for people to trash God > > > > > > and then > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > >> why the world's going to hell. > > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but > > > > > > still follow > > > > > > >> Satan (who, by the way, also > > > > > > >> "believes" in God). > > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how you can send a thousand jokes through > > > > > > e-mail and > > > > > > they > > > > > > >> spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> Lord, people think twice about sharing. > > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how when you go to forward this message, > > > > > > you will not > > > > > > send > > > > > > >> it to many on your address list because you're not sure > > > > > > what they > > > > > > believe, > > > > > > >> or what they will think of you for sending it to them. > > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how I can be more worried about what other > > > > > > people think > > > > > > of > > > > > > >> me than what God thinks of me. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> I pray, for everyone who sends this to their entire > > > > > > address book, they > > > > > > >> will be blessed by God in a way special for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > In God's service > Freeway > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Invite New Ones, Xerox and Scan Documents to Share, If you submit > somewhat Questionable Data, just Tell us that, and be sure to tell us > if you have no particular source, or any "shaky" source. > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

Folks, I suspect I may have sounded a trifle rude to Freeway. I regret that. Usually, taglines are fully functional, and it is not too long before I mention that religious topics, virus warnings, flames, etc., are not welcome. Of course one has to mention and should feel free to mention the connection of the subject, the 13, with their religious affiliation and culture, etc. This is totally open to discussion. And I never complain if someone has a signature file that refers to their religious beliefs. As long as it is not 5 pages long... Certainly the country allows freedom of religion, and I do not want to try to change that in any way. I am very religious myself, frankly, but I do not want to get into that. I only mention it to show that I am not being partial or antagonistic. Let me tell a true story about what happened to me, and you may understand why I acted the way I did, whether properly or not... I started a list. It was a good list. KEYSER was the surname being researched. Some of you will remember it. Well, at one point I was very near burnout, and so decided something had to go. I invited volunteers from the list to seek the opportunity of carrying on with that list in good faith. I was going to remain a member, but not interfere. Still try to help, but not maintain the reigns. A likely candidate appeared. I believe they had a religious signature file. As I said, I am not partial or prejudiced. I neither accepted them because they were religious, nor thought of rejecting them because they were religious. What happened? The person took the "honor" of the group, but never contributed a thing. The group was neglected, except for those of us who kept contributing ourselves. Then there was a post by the person. Nice! Great. They were going to be more involved no doubt. NOPE! They actually started discussing religion. Not the religion of the KEYSERs. Not anything or any mention of the KEYSERs. This was going to be their religious forum, even though they did not say that. They turned it into a religious forum. What did I do? Nothing. I kept true to my promise. I silently left the group. I had turned over the reigns. If someone contacted me to join the group, I kindly explained that the group had become basically defunct. So, you will see why, if someone uses a religious signature file, and then starts posting something religious in nature, unrelated to genealogy, and then fusses when others do not like it, I am a little too quick to jump and post. I am defending the list. I lost before, and I do not want to see it happen to so nice and cooperative, and encouraging! a list. Vince Summers List Owner Original-13-L

I was not online until just now. Please leave, Freeway. Vince freeway wrote: > > I was not preaching at anyone. I thought this was something that was of > intrest to the group. I am sorry that I mad a mistake. I will try and not > bug your list again. Now whos preaching. > > > In God's service > Freeway > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > If you have a file that is of value to the group, or a photo, and yet, > because you know we cannot accept attachments, contact me at > [email protected] and for a brief time, I will be glad to make it > available! > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Vince and fellow listers- I appreciated Vince's (your) advice. I was appalled the "Freeway" message appeared on this list. I will not participate in any forum that is corrupted from its original intent. Ours is the Original 13. As far as religion goes, the only way I would like to see that discussed herei n is historical-- pertinent to our common ancestors. In fact, if anyone cares to explain the relationship of Mennonites (Jan Lucken was said to be Mennonite first) and Quakers in the Krefeld/ PA context I'd love to learn it. Thanks. Charlotte

Dear List Members: I am a new member to the list and I'm hoping that somebody will be able to help me or point me in the right direction. I have been told that the Dennis name is derived from the surname Tunes and therefore why I am sending this query to your list. I am currently trying to determine who are the ancestors of a John Dennis. John Dennis married a Catharine Elizabeth Kohl. They lived in the District Twp., Berks Co., PA area which is very close to Montgomery Co., PA and the original location of Germantown. They had a daughter by the name of Catharine who was born on 5 July 1775. She married a George Haines (Hains, Henns, Heinz, Heintz, etc) who is my 4th great-grandfather and therefore my interest in this surname. I can probably provide additional details if it would be of any help. I'm looking forward to your replies. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, John Hains 26 Stevens Street Bernardsville, NJ 07924-2258 908-766-3143 Work email id: [email protected]

>Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:27:46 -0700 >From: John and Ann Jackson <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I; 16bit) >To: [email protected], [email protected], > "Dick,Betsy" <[email protected]>, freeway <[email protected]>, > James and Carolyn <[email protected]>, [email protected] >Subject: Re: Fwd: Subject: something to think about > >[email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Subject: something to think about > > Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:24:21 -0500 > > From: "Dillman, Dorothy Mae" <[email protected]> > > To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>, > > "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>, > > "'Cora Shrum'" > > <[email protected]>, > > "Shields, Alice M" <[email protected]>, > > "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Marsh, M Joan > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 7:23 AM > > > To: Dillman, Dorothy Mae > > > Subject: FW: Fw: Fw: Subject: something to think about > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Subject: something to think about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> There once was a man named George Thomas, a pastor in a > > > > > small New > > > > > England > > > > > >> town. One Easter Sunday morning he came to the Church > > > > > carrying a > > > > > rusty, > > > > > >> bent, old bird cage, and set it by the pulpit. > > > > > >> Eyebrows were raised and, as if in response, Pastor > > > > > Thomas began to > > > > > >> speak... > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "I was walking through town yesterday when I saw a young > > > > > boy coming > > > > > toward > > > > > >> me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the cage > > > > > were three > > > > > little > > > > > >> wild birds, shivering with cold and fright. I stopped the > > > > > lad and > > > > > asked, > > > > > ' > > > > > >> What you got there son? ' " > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "Just some old birds," came the reply. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "What are you gonna do with them?" I asked. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he answered. I'm > > > > > gonna tease > > > > > 'em > > > > > >> and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. I'm gonna > > > > > have a real > > > > > good > > > > > >> time." > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or later. > > > > > What will you > > > > > do?" > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "Oh, I got some cats," said the little boy. "They like > > > > > birds. I'll > > > > > take > > > > > >> 'em to them." > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much do you want > > > > > for those > > > > > birds, > > > > > >> son?" > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "Huh?? !!! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. > > > > > They're just plain > > > > > old > > > > > >> field birds. They don't sing - they ain't > > > > > >> even pretty!" > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "How much?" the pastor asked again. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy and said, > > > > > "$10?" The > > > > > >> pastor reached in his pocket and > > > > > >> took out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's > > > > > hand. In a > > > > > flash, > > > > > >> the boy was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and > > > > > gently carried it > > > > > to > > > > > >> the end of the alley where there was a tree and a grassy > > > > > spot. Setting > > > > > the > > > > > >> cage > > > > > >> down, he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars > > > > > persuaded the > > > > > >> birds out, setting them free. Well, that explained the > > > > > empty bird cage > > > > > on > > > > > >> the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell this story > > > > > . . . > > > > > >> > > > > > >> One day Satan and Jesus were having a conversation. Satan > > > > > had just > > > > > come > > > > > >> from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating and > > > > > boasting. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "Yes, sir, I just caught the world full of people down > > > > > there. Set me a > > > > > >> trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em > > > > > all!" > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "What are you going to do with them?" Jesus asked. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Satan replied, "Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm gonna teach > > > > > them how to > > > > > marry > > > > > >> and divorce each other, how to hate and abuse each other, > > > > > how to drink > > > > > and > > > > > >> smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns > > > > > and > > > > > >> bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!" > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "And what will you do when you get done with them?" Jesus > > > > > asked. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no good. > > > > > Why, you'll > > > > > take > > > > > >> them and they'll just hate you. > > > > > >> They'll spit on you, curse you and kill you!! You don't > > > > > want those > > > > > >> people!!" > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "How much?" He asked again. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All your tears, and > > > > > all your > > > > > blood." > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Jesus said, "DONE!" Then He paid the price. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The pastor picked up the cage he opened the door and he > > > > > walked from > > > > > the > > > > > >> pulpit. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Notes: > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how simple it is for people to trash God > > > > > and then > > > > > wonder > > > > > >> why the world's going to hell. > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how someone can say "I believe in God" but > > > > > still follow > > > > > >> Satan (who, by the way, also > > > > > >> "believes" in God). > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how you can send a thousand jokes through > > > > > e-mail and > > > > > they > > > > > >> spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages > > > > > regarding > > > > > the > > > > > >> Lord, people think twice about sharing. > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how when you go to forward this message, > > > > > you will not > > > > > send > > > > > >> it to many on your address list because you're not sure > > > > > what they > > > > > believe, > > > > > >> or what they will think of you for sending it to them. > > > > > >> Isn't it funny how I can be more worried about what other > > > > > people think > > > > > of > > > > > >> me than what God thinks of me. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I pray, for everyone who sends this to their entire > > > > > address book, they > > > > > >> will be blessed by God in a way special for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > In God's service Freeway

Germantown is in Philadelphia, not Chester County.