Hang on , Don't jump the gun.... If anyone needs Decendant information for Johan Jacob Zimmerman ( who died in rotterdam in 1693) His three sons, wife and daughter arrived in PA in 1694.. Mathias, Jacob Christopher My Line} and Philip Christian. The sister who's monther's name is the same, Maria Margaretha (Mother surname SCHAAL) m. a Peiderman/Beirderman and had two children. TO DATE, I have seen No account of either Mathias or Philip "Christian" as being married... There where more Jacob, Christopher and Christian names in this line than you would even want to know... Jacob "Christopher Zimmerman, bought land in 1708 he married Sybella Van Fossen.. They had : Jacob 1710 m Elizabeth (EARNHARDT may be a married name) and second he married Susanna Roberts Dec. of Robert Cawllader Arnold 1716 m, Mary Engle Mathais m Persis Jones this line appears to have moved on to Tenn, and either Moved again to ohio, or spilt up and went to both, they also Carried the Surname TIMMERMAN. Jacob had Chrisopher who married Deborah Suppllee at this point in time three Suppllee's married 3 Zimm's two where sibs and one is a cousin. I have Hords of Information on these lines and thier ties to Levering Dehaven suppllee (Hance line) UpdenGraeff Still wanna know if Graeff is the final Spelling of that name or a totally seperate Family all together???? So If ya just get some more information before Jumping into the fire of the Zimmerman Groups.... I will Glady look up info as best I can to determine which branch belongs to what Nationality..... Like I said , if after 1706, you are almost TOAST if you don't have the records. OH since we are On the Subject, I ,made the discovery of some interesting info.... THERE FOR SURE is another LARGE Bible on Jacobs Line Jacob 1710, because the two pages I THOUGHT came out of My 1892 Bible, where actually Documents 50 years BEFORE the Bible I have was even made. If that bible made it past me and was tossed with grandpa's other Stuff Everyone Clear to PA will hear me screaming.. so of course , you know me, I am now on the hunt for Missing bible of the first part <G> I know it will stop forever the fueding of the lines as to who belongs to whom.... Just like the Updegraeff's, I just got a letter asking me who the Upthegroves are in NY and Canada... anyone have a clue?? I don't.. On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 16:37:52 -0700 [email protected] writes: Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

It begins to look like it is possible my distant connection to ZIMMERMAN (a descendant connected line to the 13), may be real. There are many ZIMMERMANs, but this one was from Germantown. Louisa D. Zimmerman, b. July 6, 1863 in Germantown, PA, d. Feb. 7, 1901 in Philadelphia, PA. She was the wife of Edward D. Snellbaker Jr., who was b. Mar 2, 1863 in Salem Co., NJ, and died aft. 1927. That is the piece of worm. Any nibbles? Vince

Does anyone show a date of birth and any source for John TUNIS, s/o Anthony & Mary Williams TUNIS? For Anthony, under NOTES, I list this: Occupation: Weaver/Blacksmith/Inn Keeper 1743 - Elected Constable, Lower Merion Twp. 1751 - Supervisor of Twp. roads. Weaver by trade Blacksmith Ordinary/Innkeeper (Tunis Ordinary/"today's Anthony Wayne Inn) Postmaster of Lower Merion Twp. See Joseph Tunis's Will For More, see my Ayres file. In the following article, Eugene Stackhouse, President of the Germantown Historical Society says: I think that whoever wrote the reference made a mistake.-- This is reference to a fire at the Germantown MM. Another poster said: In it's first years Abington Meeting covered a large territory, including what is now Germantown in Philadelphia. The meeting in Germantown was a Preparative Meeting under Abington in its early years, and sometimes the Abington Meeting records indicate when someone lived in the Germantown area. Germantown Meeting was later set up separately.- A. Crosman. ANTHONY TUNIS 1693/4 - 1762 INN - ORDINARY KEEPER, MERION, LOWER MERION TWP., PHILADELPHIA CO., PA. Anthony Tunis was born 24th day, 1st month, 1693/4, as recorded in the Abington Meeting House records, in German Town, Philadelphia County, Pa., one of at least 5 children, and apparently, second son, of Abraham Tunes (Klinken) (he apparently dropped the "Klinken" surname on emigrating, as all records existing show only "Tunes"), one of the 13 original immigrant-founders of German Town, Pa., who arrived at that spot in October 1683, on the "Concord". Anthony's mother is not known exactly, since Abraham was married on departing Crefeld, Germany, to Beatrix Lukens, but she may have died shortly after arrival; all records for the early years apparently were lost in a fire of the German Town, meeting house; all subsequent records were entered in the Abington Meeting House records. Abraham married second, a Bathsheba _____, date unknown, and surname unknown. Anthony died before 29 May 1762, date of probate of will. He married Mary Williams, daughter of John Williams and Ellen Klinken, in the Merion-Radnor Meeting House, Merion, Pa; Mary was born 7th day, 2nd month, 1697, in Philadelphia CO., Pa; she died 19 September 1769. Anthony Tunis rented, in 1746, what had been, since 1709, the "Wayside Inn", and also the "William Penn Inn", from the heirs of Robert Jones, its founder and owner. On his assumption of the Inn, Anthony added an Ordinary Room, or "restaurant" to the Inn; On the basis of this addition, the Inn now became known as "Tunis Ordinary". It continued as such until after his death in 1762, his heirs continued to operate it until 1776. Since the location of Tunis Ordinary was at one of the main intersections of the Philadelphia-Lancaster road, and the main highway to the just-then opening West, with ever increasing traffic, the Inn-Ordinary became an important stopping place, and a center of activity for the township itself. Anthony Tunis, from all accounts was an affable, gregarious person. He was apparently not only an inn-keeper, but was also reported to have been a fine, experienced blacksmith; his Inn was also the local post office, and it is reported that Benjamin Franklin visited there in 1763, on his inspection tour of the province as Postmaster-General of the Colonies, and supposed to have helped sort the mail on that visit. Anthony was also sheriff of Lower Merion Township. >From remaining accounts, the price of a meal at "Tunis Ordinary" was two shillings, the same price charged for lodging a man and feeding his horse overnight. Anthony died between the time he wrote his will, 6th day, 2nd month, 1762, and the date of probate, which was 29th day, 3rd month, 1762, leaving his son, Joseph as sole executor, and son Abraham, as trustee. In his will he names wife, Mary, sons Joseph and Abraham, and daughters Elenor Cooke, Alse (Alice) Lees (dec'd), Agnes, Catherine (Kite), Elizabeth, Hannah Reber, Bathsheba (Griffith, and six grandchildren, and son-in-law, Evan Griffith. It would seem that his family ran the Inn until 1776, when Abraham Streeper acquired the Inn; during the Revolution, Streeper joined the patriot cause, as First Lieutenant in the 4th Pennsylvania Regiment of the Continental Line. He left the running of the Inn to his wife and servants. The Inn was known as "Streeper's Inn" until about 1795, when a lavish reception was held to celebrate the victory of major General Anthony Wayne at the Battle of Fallen Timbers, at which reception the General was present, since he was a resident of a nearby community. >From that day, to the present, the Inn became known as the "General Wayne Inn", although, today, it is no longer an inn or lodging place, but still serves meals and liquors as it did from its beginnings at its location, Montgomery Avenue, Merion, Pennsylvania. References: Abington MH Records: microfilm: Friends Historical Library Swarthmore College, Swarthmore, Pa. Merion MH Records: microfilm, idem. Index to Philadelphia Wills: File 173, Book M, PH 300. Book: Colonial and Revolutionary Families of Pennsylvania: Jordan, Genealogical Society of Pa., Philadelphia, Pa. : William Penn and the Dutch Quakers: William I. Hull, 1935 Cuyahoga Public Library, Fairview Park Branch, Fairview Park, Ohio. : Genealogies of Pennsylvania Families; extracts from the : "The Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine", compiled by the Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, Md. : Article: The Ancestry of the Thirteen Krefeld Emigrants of 1683: Wilhelm Niepoth (Translated by John Brockie Lukens): Pages 495-512, Volume I. Article: "The General Wayne Inn - A study of an Inn & Its Place in History" : J. Robert Mendte, Swarthmore, Pa.: Originally published in the local suburban Philadelphia newspaper, "The Main Line Chronicle", from a paper prepared and read before the Anthony Wayne Historical Society, Merion, Pa. by Robert J. Hardie Sr. #82-43. Family Tree Maker CD #196: Birth Index, Southeastern PA, 1680-1800: "These records, found in 213 church, meeting, and pastoral records, were compiled by John T. Humphrey, and were published in a thirteen-volume set entitled 'Pennsylvania Births.'" Catherine Tunis, birth/baptism date 10 Feb 1727/28, Quaker date 10 12 mo 1727/28, Concord MM, Delaware Co PA, Anthony Tunis and Mrs. Mary Tunis. (The following are from the same meeting, same county, same parents): Abraham Tunis, 6 Feb 1732/3 Quaker date 6 12 mo 1732/3 Bathsheba, 28 Apr 1721, Quaker date 28 2 mo 1721 Eleanor, 8 Sep 1719 Quaker 8 7 mo 1719 Alice,10 Jun 1723 Quaker 10 4 mo 1723 Agness, 14 Sep 1725 Quaker 14 7 mo 1725 Hannah, 1 Jun 1730 Quaker 1 4 mo 1730 Elizabeth, 9 Dec 1739 Quaker 9 10 mo 1739 Joseph, 7 Feb 1735/6 Quaker 7 12 mo 1735/6 Thanks, Vince

I changed my mind. I will send it to all who want it in one piece. 59 KB would clog the Digest subscribers email. So if you would like my data, please contact me. Vince

Isaac Kite (Kiete) Sr. was married to Catherine (Katherine) Tunis. One of their children, Isaac Kite, Jr., married Sarah Sellers. I have a pretty good amount of "stuff" on Sellers, although there is a page by Vicki MacDonald that has, not only my material, but that of others. I will try to send the Sellers information later today in two parts, due to it being about 59 Kb as one letter. I must send it, not as an attachment, if I want it to get through and be satisfactory. Even then, it is possible that you will need to reformat it a bit to make it usable to you... Vince

HI VINCE!!!! I had No clue you didn't know the connections with MOST of the original-13, It is My main Maternal father's side. It Started out as a Medical journey, to finding such wonderful History.. That I just became so ADDICTED that, This is what I do, for Free for Fee's, for exchange.... One way or another, Any familiy menber in it with Zimmerman PRIOR to 1700, Has Zimmerman Blood, and May only have a Female with noi last name... Much of the line is on my page, In some cases Users must type or copy and paste the URL into your Browser.. Doesn't fail many but I figured out another solution.. There is no Grand Details, but names Dates and places, and YES to all of the list, even they went to Ohio, My Grandfather's direct line does NOT have a connection in my direct , they all stayed in Berks and Mong county.. I have information for anyone who would like to know about it.. And I have MANY sources, even the earliest Zimmermans are in Van Fossen, Suppllee, Dehaven, Luckens, tyson, Stackhouse I THINK Opde Graeff is after 1700, but you can almost name one line, and I have the connection Including the information regarding the connection between them and Daniel Pastorious. Glad to see more getting that far... If you would like information I have in my notes and quotes and wills, Email me at [email protected] I have AIM/AOL sn is GenlinkZ {{{{{{{{{{{ Welocme to the family Vince}}}}}}}}}}} Email me who and what you have and I will put you in the right line. the next arrivals where 1706, then the migration of 1730's and 4o's.. there is a Zimmerman/FORNEY group that is not related at all, and there is also a Zimmerman Carpenter line , mostly in PA, that are a Swiss line, so Timing means everything with this bunch... and I recomend NOT Joing the Magister Zimmerman line, WHICH I am a part of Until you know if you have this family, Many of my Zimmerman seeking friends have been Misled bye one person for over two years... and I would not like to see it happen to anyone else.. Thanks, Ask away, that's what i do <G> Cali Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:05:27 -0700 [email protected] writes: Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I think I have seen more than one post on Surname: ZIMMERMAN over the past years, posted here. I never had any ZIMMERMAN, so I basically stayed out of any discussions on that name. Now, it turns out, that a family member seeks such a name going back to Baden-Baden Germany. I do not know if it connects at all to the 13. Which is why, at this point, I wish to ask you to contact me privately at [email protected] If it turns out to connect, then I would like to enter the data that is uncovered by myself, and my respondent, to the list for everyone's benefit. BTW, just a reminder. If you see a query, and it is a line you know to be of the descendants of the original 13, please, if you are willing, share the data with the list, so that we do not merely archive queries, but solutions, too. Auf wiedersehen (is that how it is spelt?), Vince

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Could a scan of this information, in its original handwriting, perhaps with signature, be obtained? Whether accurate or no, I could temporarily put it on my file site (I will eventually improve my choice of sites for posting downloadable files), so that others interested could download a copy of the document. If not, that is OK, but if so, that would be great. Vince [email protected] wrote: > > Jan: > This is the first I've heard of a ship being attached to the Kuster > emigration. Sounds very exciting, and I will explore further. In the > meantime, I am also posting your data to the Original-13 list. Perhaps > someone on that list has more ship info. > > Kathy > > In a message dated 7/30/2000 11:49:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > << In my Grandmother Custer's papers was this information in her > handwriting: > > "In 1682 Paulus Custer came to America from Germany on the S.S. Fox. His > children were Arnold, Johannes, and Hermanus. Paul Custer, son of Hermanus, > settled in Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania." No source was indicated. > > My cursory search for this ship turned up only: > 1) "The Fox", an immigrant ship which sailed from Rotterdam, to Plymouth, > to > Philadelphia, arriving 12 Oct 1738 - no Kusters or similar names listed; > 2) "The Fox" an immigrant ship from the Netherlands from an unspecified > port > to New York and New Jersey arriving 31 Aug 1662 - no Kusters or similar > names > listed. > > Anyone else ever run across anything linking Paulus Kuster's passage to > America with a ship name? > Jan Custer Bryan > >> > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Visit Our Homepage (Thanks, Liese Ade-Uptegrove for this!) at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~original13/ > Images, a facsimile signature of Thones Kunders, history, etc. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com now has more than 200,000 subscribers! To celebrate, > access to ALL of Ancestry.com will be free from July 18 to July 31! > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/freepromo.asp?sourcecode=A11AM

As soon as I can, I will check this out at the Germantown Historical Society, especially now that I know that this is my family.

I'd like to see the reference for this ship.

Jan: This is the first I've heard of a ship being attached to the Kuster emigration. Sounds very exciting, and I will explore further. In the meantime, I am also posting your data to the Original-13 list. Perhaps someone on that list has more ship info. Kathy In a message dated 7/30/2000 11:49:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << In my Grandmother Custer's papers was this information in her handwriting: "In 1682 Paulus Custer came to America from Germany on the S.S. Fox. His children were Arnold, Johannes, and Hermanus. Paul Custer, son of Hermanus, settled in Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania." No source was indicated. My cursory search for this ship turned up only: 1) "The Fox", an immigrant ship which sailed from Rotterdam, to Plymouth, to Philadelphia, arriving 12 Oct 1738 - no Kusters or similar names listed; 2) "The Fox" an immigrant ship from the Netherlands from an unspecified port to New York and New Jersey arriving 31 Aug 1662 - no Kusters or similar names listed. Anyone else ever run across anything linking Paulus Kuster's passage to America with a ship name? Jan Custer Bryan >>

At 01:46 PM 07/26/2000 -0400, Vincent E. Summers wrote: >If anyone has this book, or has family in these >lines... >"Memorial of Thomas Potts, Jr., 1874" By Mrs. Thomas Potts James >(published in 1874) on the Keurlis family This book is on-line at GenealogyLibrary.com... there's not a lot more about Keurlis/Kerlin (etc) in it than what you quoted from Sherri's post. <sigh> I'm looking for the connection between Peter & Eliz. Keurlis and John Kerlin/Kirlin b.~1722 who lived near Douglassville in Berks County. At the moment I have a Jacob Kerlin b.~1704, a son of Peter & Eliz. as John's father, tentatively, until I find more data to confirm the relationship. Also looking for Umstead & Levan connections with Kerlin/Kirlin in Berks Co. robin

One of the Original settlers of Germantown was Paulus Kuster, though he was not one of the "ORIGINAL-13" that came on the 'Concord'. He was married to Gertrude Doors who was related to most of the Original-13. Paulus Kuster was the ancestor of General George Armstrong Custer. I recently wrote an article for the 'Germantown Crier', the journal of the Germantown Historical Society, on General Custer's Roots in Germantown. In researching this article, I discovered that a granddaughter of Paulus, Mary Custer (daughter of Paulus' son Johannes) married a William Michener. I am descended from a William Michener (this is the Michener Family of Bucks County into which the author James Michener was adopted). So, I went to some sources here in Germantown and down in Philadelphia and I discovered that my William Michener was, in fact, married to Mary Custer and that I am a direct descendant of Paulus Kuster. So, my roots in Germantown go back to about 1690. This was new information for me. Eugene Glenn Stackhouse President, Germantown Historical Society.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/kerlin/messages/127.html This arrived today. If anyone has this book, or has family in these lines, and would like to purchase a copy of this book, perhaps even for the purpose of doing lookups, it would be great. At any rate, here is the post from that site: By Sherri Isgar The following is taken from the book "Memorial of Thomas Potts, Jr., 1874" By Mrs. Thomas Potts James (published in 1874) on the Keurlis family.... "At a monthly meeting, held the 20th of 8th mo., 1699, whereas Thomas Potts and Martha Courlin (Keurlis seems to have been the German orthography), having declared their intention of marriage with each other before two monthly meetings, inquiry being made by persons appointed and found clear from all others on account of marriage, did accomplish their marriage in the unity of Friends, as is signified by thier marriage certificate". Martha was the daughter of Peter and Elizabeth Keurlis, and had come from Germany with her parents, in company with Pastorius, 16 years before. An allotment of land was made to Peter Keurlis in the laying out of Germantown, and his name appears frequently in the early records as one of the original householders. ..." I will invite Sherri to join us! Vince Summers

Gene: So, you were on both sides of the fence at our recent Custer reunion at the Germantown Historical Society and didn't know it! Many thanks for the effort all of you put into our visit. Sincerely, Kathy Kelly direct descendant of Paulus and Gertrude Kuster (also through son Johannes)

Hi, New to the list. Researching OpdenGraff/Updegrove family. Interested in finding parents siblings of my gggreat grandfather, Henry Updegrove that married Catherine Reed about 1828. The 1850 census for Lower Mahantongo Twp. Schuylkill Co. has his family and living nearby are a John Updegrove married to Hennrietta Kimmel and Jacob Updegrove married to Catherine/Kitty Kimmel and Elizabeth Updegrove married to Hiram Kimmel. These are probably all siblings. Anyone researching this family and care to exchange information? I enjoy reading the posts about how these early settlers lived. Linda

I have Mary Maule also and would LOVE to know more about it. Also, Did we get anywhere Regarding Anna Stackhouse, I only have that she married Andrew Supplee, Like I said, I looked up Deborah and Mary Thomas Everywhere and Neither name of Thomas girls have parents either ON TOP OF all the children to have or have not. I have Anna had ONE and Deborah had four.. I did list the info that claimed Anna also had three girls, and Deborah having TWELVE???? But I sure have not found any of them... Does any list member have the Thomas Line or Stackhouse Line that would give us the Family of these women? for Deborah I list James , Andrew , John, and Sarah... NOT A single date or place, If the Group has run this into the ground before I got here, would someone PLEASE write me at [email protected] I do not want to Drain the Brains of all the Great people here, but I do need a Generation or two of help... Thank You in Advance, Cali Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

As far as I can tell, the Souplis-Stackhouse marriage is probably incorrect. I can find no verification anywhere. If it is correct, then Anna has to be from the Richard Stackhouse line from Massachusetts but I can not find her anywhere. Gene Stackhouse