Hi Vince and All.... I am descended from Johannes Bleickers of the "Concord", and his youngest son Samuel Blaker. I have a vast amount of data on this and associated lines. I try to maintain at least 1st cousins of all Blaker's I find. I am willing to share with anyone interested. Give me a shout and I will see what I can do for you on my line........... Regards to all my cousins monitoring this site John Marshburn

I have information on POTTS family. Not sure how much of it relates to the Original-13. Pat Langwell Weaver

Do you have the Cunards of Bedford Co, PA? If not, I may be able to send you some info on the family, though i am not related to them. Cathy Berger ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Thones Kunders > Have 35,000 names connected with Thones Kunders gathered over the past forty > years. These include present day usages of CONARD, CUNARD, CONRAD, CUNNARD, > CONNARD and CONERD spellings. > Also Aret (Arnold) KLINCKEN family. > Erik P. Conard, Denver > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Parts of the old Listbot Original 13 Archives are available as zipped > files, with more to come. Please download these at: > http://www.nrao.edu/~vsummers/myfiles Look for numbered zip files. > > ============================== > Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: > Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/ > >

I am descended from: Op den Graeff, Schumacher, Van Bebber, Hallowell, Pletjes Glad to have help and glad to share. Doris

I have about 5000 descendants of Wilhelm STREYPER, one of the original 13. Because of Eric Conard's research, I have not included many of the KUNDERS line, even though I run into that through the STREEPER lines. Maurine Ward

Have 35,000 names connected with Thones Kunders gathered over the past forty years. These include present day usages of CONARD, CUNARD, CONRAD, CUNNARD, CONNARD and CONERD spellings. Also Aret (Arnold) KLINCKEN family. Erik P. Conard, Denver

Hello list, I joined a few weeks ago, shortly after I discovered my DeHaven ancestors. Here's my data, working backwards - anyone interested? Susan Shober DeHaven (1826-1859) m Samuel White Hugh DeHaven (b 1788) m Christianna Ling Bunting Hugh DeHaven (1749-1825) m Sarah Holstein Peter DeHaven (1719-1815) m Sarah Hughes Peter DeHaven (1686-1768) m Sidonia Levering Evert DeHaven (1650-1727) m Lisebiet Schipbower All of these people, to the best of my knowledge, lived in Philadelphia proper or in nearby suburbs, except for the emigrant Evert. I have more information on these individuals available if anyone would like it. Please take into consideration the outrageous amount of alternative spellings: Inderhoeffen, Ten Hoeven, Indeheven, Ten Heuven, De Have, etc. Hope to be able to help a cousin! Happy hunting, Tiffany ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

I do not usually care for Roll Calls. For that reason, and for the reasons cited on other lists, I do avoid them. Yet, a collective roll call in one email cannot be too objectionable. Please, if you have data, respond to these calls for surnames, and post them to the group, no matter how much email that produces!: BLAKER (BLEIKERS) KUNDERS LUKENS OpDenGraeff STREYPERS/STREEPER TYSON DOORS CADWALLADER CONARD/CUNNARD and other variants TAYLOR POTTS JARRETT KENDERDINE HARRINGTON BEAR HELLER SHOEMAKER/SCHUMACHER THOMAS RADCLIFFE JANSEN ADDAMS CASTOR THOMPSON Van Bebber/Van Bibber KREY OBERHOLTZER KREY HALLOWELL DAVIS LIFORD PLETJES PUGH SPICER BAKER TURNER CARTER DeHaven UMSTADT/UMSTEAD EIGNER CROUSE PAINTER MAHANNAH MAHNENSCHMIDT/MONASMITH THEISSEN EVANS IREDELL PALMER WALLIS MORROW COOKE DIMM LEENTJE DIRK GREITJEN AERT HIGGINS WOLFCALES HATFIELDS KLINKEN This is what those who responded to my request, seek. Please do your best to help these fellow researchers, and have the spirit of giving... Vince Summers Email List Owner Original - 13

Burnell, the photos were excellent. Are they still on the Internet? Would you be willing to grant permission to link them to the Original 13 website? Liese Burnell, the photos were excellent. Are they still on the Internet? Would you be willing to grant permission to link them to the Original 13 website? Liese P.S. About the DeGraeff & Graff/Graeff surnames. The name variation is not the problem, it goes deeper than that. One concern in particular I have is that after contacting people who have traced their names to DeGraeff & Graff, they did not recognize, or trace to "Op den Graeff". That's not to say that none have, but I would like to know if anyone ever has. But I do remember reading in June Lutz's material (from excerpt from a transcript of article, not written by her) of a DeGraeff being a relative of the three brothers, but that is the only reference to it I have ever heard.

I have information on Shoemaker and Kuster (Custer, etc)

Thanks Elise, Maybe someone will Finally ask that Question I have been asking all Summer since I have all of those names also.. Looking Forward to a Debate, discussion of this, Just not a Battle... It's just a NORMAL Genealogy Question, and should NOT stir tension amongst Any family... On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:36:59 -0700 [email protected] writes: Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I have information on Thones Kunders. In my direct line he is my 9th great grandfather. Email me if you need any information In God's service Freeway

Hi Vince, Was that "Maria"? Was there a final verdict on the interpretation of the stone? Speaking of interpretations, I had received some additional input from a colleague of mine from the Netherlands on the Belgian Op Den Graeff's. I've been meaning to post it but I've been a bit swamped. I'll dig it up for those who are interested. I remember there was one very interesting detail... the RK stood for ROMAN CATHOLIC! Those particular Op den Graeff's were in fact, Roman Catholic, and if I recall, it dealt fairly near, or right smack in patriarch Herman Op den Graeff's lifetime. Liese ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent E. Summers <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Cathy BERGER's Scanned Page OPTIGRAFF > > I discovered that I retained a scanned image of a page of notes that > a researcher had shared with Cathy Berger, one of our Op den Graeff > descendants. It concerned a controversial topic covered about a year > or so ago under the old Listbot group. Anyone wishing a copy to > examine with their own eyes, I am happy to provide with one. It is > about a sketch of a stone and its inscription. Most importantly, it > is about the inscription's interpretation. For those of you who have > not seen this sketch, and would like to have the fun of taking a shot > at it, as I said, I am happy to send you a copy of the scan. > > Cathy, you had a suggestion (I think it was you...). I would have > emailed your privately, but I only have a list of email addresses, > and many of them do not resemble the names of their holders! > > So, assuming you are with us currently, would you also contact me about > this? > > Thanks, > Vince Summers > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Parts of the old Listbot Original 13 Archives are available as zipped > files, with more to come. Please download these at: > http://www.nrao.edu/~vsummers/myfiles Look for numbered zip files. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi All, And hi Burnell, Thanks for the offer on the photos. I remember someone here in the group had in their possession some carefully taken shots of it, and they launched it on a website, and they were terrific photos. I wish I could remember who that was! (whoever it was, please chime in, it would be great to link the Original 13 website to them). I've also seen the copies of Herman's name from them many times. But what puzzles me the most is the question of whether 300 years ago, or even 500 years ago, if the surnames of Graeff & DeGraeff are descended from the same family tree, or a different line altogether.. or it's both, and then we have a quite a mess on our hands. I can not find an Op den Graeff variation in Europe, something or anything that has retained the Op or Up, but I do find Graeff, and DeGraeff. In the 1750-60's time period I have come across a DeGraeff family near Kingston or Eusopus NY, (Ulster County) and at least 1 family in Putnam County, and also 1 family of DeGraeff's in Orange County. There were also Up/Op variations running around these same basic regions, all within the same time period. All these NY counties adjoin each other, Putnam Co. is situated right next to Orange County NY (formed from Ulster Co.), which is a stones throw from the NJ borderline. There are some coincidences that I noticed about this. The DeGraeff's I saw, and also the Updegrove's/Updegroef's had settled with other families, some which share shared the same surnames. Has anyone ever positively connected anyone, or know of anyone who has positively connected the surname "DeGraeff" or "Graeff" with an Op den Graeff ("OP"/"UP") variable at any point in time? Liese ----- Original Message ----- From: Burnell Uptagrafft <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] V00 #127 Zimmerman > > Look at the name on the stained glass windows from the home of Herman Up Den > Graeff. If you want a photo image of same, send me a self addressed, > stamped envelope and I have five copies left. Then you will know, from his > coat of arms, how it was originally spelled in the early 1600's. > > My address is 1258 Terrace Place, Camano Island, WA 98282-8438. Burnell > (B.K. and Shirely Uptagrafft) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liese Uptegrove-Ade" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] V00 #127 Zimmerman > > > > >... Just like the Updegraeff's, I just got a letter > > > asking me who the Upthegroves are in NY > > > and Canada... anyone have a clue?? I don't.. > > > > > > Cali, > > > > From what I have seen and gathered, (through various sources, Cathy > Berger, > > and my own research) the Upthegrove's in Canada & NY are closely connected > > to the other name variations of Updegrove, Uptegrove, & Updegrave (and of > > course others). There's allot of unanswered questions surrounding these > > branches who resided in the NY/NJ area before the Revolutionary war, but I > > believe that this is most likely where the majority of the Upthegrove's > who > > were found in Canada probably stemmed from, and I have reason to believe > > that one very probable migration route of the branches that I am studying > > was the "Wallkill River", which starts in the Mohawk Valley in Sussex > > County, NJ (and which flow runs north) on through Orange County, NY, to > hook > > up into the Hudson River, & along through into Upper Canada. > > > > As for the style of surname, my 4th great-grandfather b. abt 1755 (who > also > > settled in the Upstate NY/Northern NJ region) is listed by name with a > > minimum of Upthegrove, Uptigrave & Updegrove, and others. Feel free to > tell > > the person who contacted you about the Upthegrove's to drop me a line, and > > time permitting, I'd be glad to fill them in on whatever information I > have > > if they are interested. > > > > And regarding possible variations of "Graeff", or "DeGraeff" I'm still > not > > sure where either one stands in connection with Op den Graff yet, whether > it > > was ever proven that one or the other was definately a form of, and > > connected to the Op den Graeff name, but I sure would love to know. > > > > Liese > > > > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > > If You Feel Someone Has Flamed You, or Mistreated You, DO NOT, please > > Email the List. Contact: > > [email protected], Vince Summers, List Owner > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe by sending a blank email with only the word unsubscribe in > the Subject and Body fields, with no signature file, etc., to: > [email protected] or [email protected] > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Great Job Joe, and Susan and all who made that such a nice sight. Cali On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:10:59 -0700 [email protected] writes: Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I discovered that I retained a scanned image of a page of notes that a researcher had shared with Cathy Berger, one of our Op den Graeff descendants. It concerned a controversial topic covered about a year or so ago under the old Listbot group. Anyone wishing a copy to examine with their own eyes, I am happy to provide with one. It is about a sketch of a stone and its inscription. Most importantly, it is about the inscription's interpretation. For those of you who have not seen this sketch, and would like to have the fun of taking a shot at it, as I said, I am happy to send you a copy of the scan. Cathy, you had a suggestion (I think it was you...). I would have emailed your privately, but I only have a list of email addresses, and many of them do not resemble the names of their holders! So, assuming you are with us currently, would you also contact me about this? Thanks, Vince Summers

Look at the name on the stained glass windows from the home of Herman Up Den Graeff. If you want a photo image of same, send me a self addressed, stamped envelope and I have five copies left. Then you will know, from his coat of arms, how it was originally spelled in the early 1600's. My address is 1258 Terrace Place, Camano Island, WA 98282-8438. Burnell (B.K. and Shirely Uptagrafft) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liese Uptegrove-Ade" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] V00 #127 Zimmerman > >... Just like the Updegraeff's, I just got a letter > > asking me who the Upthegroves are in NY > > and Canada... anyone have a clue?? I don't.. > > > Cali, > > From what I have seen and gathered, (through various sources, Cathy Berger, > and my own research) the Upthegrove's in Canada & NY are closely connected > to the other name variations of Updegrove, Uptegrove, & Updegrave (and of > course others). There's allot of unanswered questions surrounding these > branches who resided in the NY/NJ area before the Revolutionary war, but I > believe that this is most likely where the majority of the Upthegrove's who > were found in Canada probably stemmed from, and I have reason to believe > that one very probable migration route of the branches that I am studying > was the "Wallkill River", which starts in the Mohawk Valley in Sussex > County, NJ (and which flow runs north) on through Orange County, NY, to hook > up into the Hudson River, & along through into Upper Canada. > > As for the style of surname, my 4th great-grandfather b. abt 1755 (who also > settled in the Upstate NY/Northern NJ region) is listed by name with a > minimum of Upthegrove, Uptigrave & Updegrove, and others. Feel free to tell > the person who contacted you about the Upthegrove's to drop me a line, and > time permitting, I'd be glad to fill them in on whatever information I have > if they are interested. > > And regarding possible variations of "Graeff", or "DeGraeff" I'm still not > sure where either one stands in connection with Op den Graff yet, whether it > was ever proven that one or the other was definately a form of, and > connected to the Op den Graeff name, but I sure would love to know. > > Liese > > > ==== ORIGINAL-13 Mailing List ==== > If You Feel Someone Has Flamed You, or Mistreated You, DO NOT, please > Email the List. Contact: > [email protected], Vince Summers, List Owner > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

>... Just like the Updegraeff's, I just got a letter > asking me who the Upthegroves are in NY > and Canada... anyone have a clue?? I don't.. Cali, >From what I have seen and gathered, (through various sources, Cathy Berger, and my own research) the Upthegrove's in Canada & NY are closely connected to the other name variations of Updegrove, Uptegrove, & Updegrave (and of course others). There's allot of unanswered questions surrounding these branches who resided in the NY/NJ area before the Revolutionary war, but I believe that this is most likely where the majority of the Upthegrove's who were found in Canada probably stemmed from, and I have reason to believe that one very probable migration route of the branches that I am studying was the "Wallkill River", which starts in the Mohawk Valley in Sussex County, NJ (and which flow runs north) on through Orange County, NY, to hook up into the Hudson River, & along through into Upper Canada. As for the style of surname, my 4th great-grandfather b. abt 1755 (who also settled in the Upstate NY/Northern NJ region) is listed by name with a minimum of Upthegrove, Uptigrave & Updegrove, and others. Feel free to tell the person who contacted you about the Upthegrove's to drop me a line, and time permitting, I'd be glad to fill them in on whatever information I have if they are interested. And regarding possible variations of "Graeff", or "DeGraeff" I'm still not sure where either one stands in connection with Op den Graff yet, whether it was ever proven that one or the other was definately a form of, and connected to the Op den Graeff name, but I sure would love to know. Liese

Am pleased to announce that the final installment of Bean's History of Mont. Co 1884 is now on-line. Many old Philly names and descendents of Germantown families are in this volume. Of real interest to me is the appendix which has a listing of the 1800+ exibitor's, many of the entries contain good genealogy clues. Susan Walters has done an outstanding job in providing this important on-line volume for all to enjoy. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/montgop.html Second item on the list. The Bean Table of Contents is on two pages. A search engine is also available at the above page. -- joe

Thought this would interest some on the list. Landholders in Towamencin, PA Joseph Lukins (i instead of e), Peter Tyson, Herman Gatchalk, John Gatchalk, Gatchalk Gatchalk, Abraham Lukins, Francis Griffith, William Tennis. Reasearching: Kunders (Conard), Oliver, Price, Farmer, Sears, Jones, Bush, Crider, Watson, and Taylor In God's service Freeway